Pew Research 2012 GOP Nomination Poll
- Rick Santorum 30% (14%) {16%} [3%] (2%) {2%} [1%] (2%)
- Mitt Romney 28% (31%) {27%} [21%] (23%) {22%} [21%] (21%)
- Newt Gingrich 17% (16%) {16%} [33%] (16%) {8%} [3%] (11%)
- Ron Paul 12% (15%) {12%} [8%] (8%) {12%} [9%] (8%)
Survey of 552 registered Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents was conducted February, 8-12, 2012. The margin of error is +/- 5.0 percentage points. Results from the poll conductedJanuary 11-16, 2012 are in parentheses. Results from the poll conducted January 4-8, 2012 are in curly brackets. Results from the poll conducted December 7-11, 2011 are in square brackets. Results from the poll conducted November 9-14, 2011 are in parentheses. Results from the poll conducted September 22 – October 4, 2011 are in curly brackets. Results from the poll conducted July 20-24, 2011 are in square brackets. Results from the poll conducted March 8-14, 2011 are in parentheses.
–Data compilation and analysis courtesy of The Argo Journal
February 13th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Use some common sense people. To with Romney. He can actually win.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Go with Romney, Sorry typo.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Hopefully someone can convince Newt to drop out before the Santo Crash
February 13th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Same sample dates as Gallup. Interesting that Gallup is more favorable to Romney by 4% than Pew.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Santorum losing support already.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
N E W T O R U M !!! 47%
TAXachusetts Moderate 28%
Uncle Racist Nutjob 12%
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Go So-Cons!
February 13th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
CF,
Pray.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
This only included one day of Maine and CPAC wins. This won’t last.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
4. That is because of the nature of a 5-day average.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
November 2012:
Obama 60
Santorum 30
Ron Paul 10
Go So-Cons!
February 13th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
1.
Willard can’t even win in his BIRTH HOME Michigan.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
This also included ALL of the post triple-win bump that Santorum got. This lines up with Gallup’s poll with +-5% MOE. Like I thought, PPP was an outlier.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
9
What?
They have the SAME 5-day sample.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
10.
Hey, you’re not Nostradamus, kiddo
February 13th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
12
Bingo. PPP WAS an outlier.
Told all of you.
Harold, that means you, you progressive lying crapweasel, you.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
14
Doesn’t take a Nostradamus to figure that one out, bud.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
15
And MWS trying to pass off PPP as legit. Pffft.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Hannity is a flaky man.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
This poll also has Romney doing better against Obama than Santorum.
Obama – 52%
Romney – 44%
Obama – 53%
Santorum – 43%
Obama – 57%
Gingrich – 39%
http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/02-13-12%20Final%20Political%20Release.pdf
February 13th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
PPP is legitimate, and have a fairly good reputation for accuracy in polling outfits. Don’t shoot the messenger CF
February 13th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
15.
Kid Rombot,
Bush, my favorite So-Con won TWO terms
February 13th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Hannity pushing Palin again. These guys are shills for Palin.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
True conservative = fickle and fashionable, which is the antithesis of being conservative.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
CF…..and every other rombot who keeps talking about maine and CPAC: please answer me this. Why do you think that a state that had 5600 people vote, where the winner only took 2200 votes, as well as a conference where 2 candidates finished within a few points of eachother and neither hit 40%, is going to make an impact for Mitt? I seriously dont get it. 2200 people voted for Mitt in Maine! There are around 1.33 million people in Maine. That means that less than 2 tenths of 1% of the population of Maine voted for Romney….but you contiue to say its this big win and santorum better watch out cause Romney is going to surge in the polls with that big win and his sub 40% few pt win at CPAC. I just dont get it.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Hahahaha! Yes yes! Go with Romney. Lose by only 8!
February 13th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
19.
We’re let Michigan next week or so decide that once and for all.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
*letting
February 13th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
24 – That’s your job to try and figure out so that you can feel better. Team Romney is doing just fine thanks very much.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
24
Florida primary >>> MN, CO, MO caucuses combined.
Somehow you don’t want to mention that.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
25.
LOL!
Rombots be kraaazzee!
February 13th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Craig,
Too bad Bush may as well have been Obama as far as conservatism actually comes.
He threw up some social issue smoke but did nothing of substance, besides pile on trillions of dollars in more debt to satisfy the internationalist itchings of those very “conservative” reformed Trotskyists in his administration.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
20,
To be specific. The PPP national poll showing Sant +15 was an outlier. Several other polls pretty much have Rom=Sant in the days following Sant’s trifecta win.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Let Michigan decide and let the chips fall where they may.
People can then decide whether they still belong in this Idiocracy of a party or not.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
29.
So Willard the Lib and his super pacs bought FL for $15-$20 mil by running 99% negative ads. And still lost more counties than they won there.
[...yawn...]
February 13th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
24
Do you not see how the EXACT same thing could be said for MN, MO, and CO? I agree that these caucuses and straw polls are ridiculous. A TINY fraction of the population should not be determining our next President.
But do you see Romney whining when he loses these Caucuses? No. Do you see Santorum whining? YES! <—- THERE'S THE PROBLEM.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Haner,
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out
February 13th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
24. Especially with CPAC, it is a momentum stopper and “proves” that Romney is a Conservative as much as or more than his detractors say he is not.
If Santorum had taken CPAC and Paul winning Maine, even with the Whitney Houston news, the FoxNews and media would be all over Romney saying his campaign was in a death spiral. But they can’t say that now. All they can do is bury the news in the ticker along the bottom, while they run Houston coverage for the next few days. (Notice, how they’ve got a story to continue running since the autopsy was stayed.)
February 13th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
24
Not to mention, Romney’s winning the big Primary states and Santorum isn’t. By your own metric, you’re saying that New Hampshire, Florida and Nevada should count for more than these Caucuses and straw polls!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
35.
YOU whine enough for Willard’s camp when you’re losing.
Willard’s a better man than you. Waaaaaaaaaaay better.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
37.
Rest in peace, Whitney
February 13th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
39
First time you’ve ever said something true. Now that you admit what a good man Romney is, why the hate?
February 13th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
This poll shows PPP off by 13 points. Gallup shows PPP to be off by 17 points. This poll, and Rasmussen, show Romney doing better against Obama than Santorum.
And they’re not factoring in Mitt’s superior money, organization, plan, gravitas, demographics, etc.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
MPC my quasi-libertarian friend,
So you preferred Gore or Kerry over the GREAT So-Con Bush?
If so, thems fightin’ words, buster!
February 13th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
“Philip_Elliott OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) – Washington state governor signs gay marriage bill into law; measure takes effect June 7″
———————————————————–
Today Santorum was campaigning in Washington State.
Once again the political winds blow right into Santorum’s wheel house.
Remarkable.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
33 – Exactly, team Romney has been happy to see poll numbers up. If it’s going down below 25% nationally we need to be concerned. Romney’s floor is a lot better than Ron Paul’s (around 9%) Santorum’s floor and Newt’s floor are probably around 13% each, with the fickle ABR’s at around another 9% at the most with 12% undecided and dwindling as time goes on. ABR’s only have one realistic window and that is MI. If Santorum can win MI then there is still hope for the ABR’s before they push for a brokered convention. By that time no one will want to jump in as the ABR’s will finally be exposed for their agenda. Palin and conservative media is hoping for a brokered convention to throw her in with no vetting and doing no work. Does anyone see this happening? I don’t and it won’t sorry.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Rombot Dave,
@gravitas.
ROTFLMAO!
February 13th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
44.
Go So-Cons!
February 13th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I ask again, what is this “CPAC” you willardbots speak of?
This Pew poll is deadly for Willard as well.
It includes Independents, not just registered R’s like Gallup.
Take those Independents out of it, and Willard is likely well down from that 28% mark. PPP’s 15 point spread don’t look so out of whack then, does it? I bet the MOE’s overlap, absent those Independents.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
41,
Only compared to you. Obama is also better compared to you.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
..and Obama is a professional whiner!
February 13th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Santorum is going to be in North Dakota all day on Wednesday. The North Dakota Caucus on March 6th will be a battle between Paul & Santorum.
I’m guessing Santorum makes it into Michigan on Thursday and probably won’t leave the state for the next 10 days following.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RealCon,
Don’t be dissing my man Ron Paul, or we may have to throw you off the Severely Conservative Express.
I’ll take Ron Paul over Willard ANY day.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
48.
Harold,
Ahhhh……Another good point you just made
And I think the key will be Workin’ Reagan Dems instead –who can’t stand Willard, the waaaaaaaay out of touch Massachusetts Lib.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Ron Paul is severely conservative, not just severely conservative in-name-only.
He’d probably privatize the Severely Conservative Express, and Willard can’t have that.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
29. That would be a solid argument….im fine with that argument actually. I have read at least 4 times today that Romney will soon see his surge from the maine/cpac events this past weekend and I just dont understand that.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
47 – Socons couldn’t have chosen a more intolerant person to run in a general for their views if Rick Santorum were to make it. It’s the far extreme of the political spectrum from where Gingrich is. ABR’s are all over the place. We all will be lumped in with Santorum as self righteous neanderthals the same way we would be with Gingrich as hypocrites. In either case we’ll have to eat sh** for the socon rhetoric. I would rather fight Obama on the economy and free enterprise and push for conservative policies that promote marriage and families without alienation. ABR’s and their anger and victim mongering is a bit too much.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Craig,
Of course not, and I’m not libertarian, I don’t believe it is a correct ideology, while there are many things that I agree with libertarians on.
Kerry and Gore would have been as bad or worse than Bush.
The problem is that you excuse Bush, Santorum, and the rest by implying that’s the best we could get. Who else makes that argument, Craig?
February 13th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Harold,
Is this better, you libertarian, you?
N E W T O R U M !!! 47%
TAXachusetts Moderate 28%
Uncle Rand’s Off the Wall Dad 12%
—
Go So-Cons!
February 13th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Smack
The gay marriage stuff and the Catholic stuff were designed to hand the Dems a culture war candidate instead of an economic candidate. You and the Tea Party are playing right into the Dems game plan.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
59 – here here and thank you.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Gravitas…..yet another concept Craig wouldn’t recognize if he stared it in the face.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
CNN reporting republicans cave on payroll tax offsets. Like everything guess we have to wait to see the details.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Why is Craig still here? He was banned. Does he have so little respect for Kavon that he continues to show up where he is not wanted?
February 13th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Dems want a culture war. They know they can’t win against success. Obama will get eaten alive by Romney and he knows it.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Another little tip for you geeks. In the land of nanook that is upstate Michigan, amongst the spruce trees, timberwolves, moonshiners and meth labs… Ron Paul has a following. Yeah, he’s got nutters everywhere, I know, but I tend to think there’s a silent army of nutters that just might gum up somebody’s works Feb 28. You see this guy’s signs more than other states I visit, anecdotal as that observation is.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
62
They didn’t cave. The stupid Tea Baggers handed this issue to the President and he used it like a club, beating the party into submission and repairing his poll numbers in the process.
Once again, the baggers are Obama’s MVP’s.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Conservative Gladiator,
“I would rather fight Obama on the economy and free enterprise and push for conservative policies that promote marriage and families without alienation”
Ahhhhh…that in a nut shell is Romney’s ideology.
The problem with that ideology is if you do not alienate Liberals and challenge INDIES…well…..you aren’t really fighting for the promotion of Conservative causes……you are just busy trying to seem resonable to the elites of the country.
Not good enough…not even close.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
57.
MPC,
What???!!!
For heaven’s sake, you are dis-remembering what Bush did with his Supreme Court Judge appointments.
Do you know what ultra-libs, Gore and Kerry would have done INSTEAD?
Answer: Pack the court with more Libs. Period.
Oh, and I almost forgot..
GO SoCons!
February 13th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Craig,
Newt and Santorum are not socially conservative. Placing trillions of dollars in debt onto future generations via the schemes they promoted, uttering things like “I came as a deficit hawk but I had to spend the deficits!”, those by any reasonable standard cannot be said to be in the best interests of an honest society. To say nothing of Newt’s obvious lack of morals. To top it off, his campaign is financed by a casino-owning reformed Trotskyist.
Craig I’m sorry to say it but you’re gullible. Those guys say what they know you want to hear, and you’ll buy it as long as they’re selling it.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
35….no, i dont see how the same could be said for missouri, where Santorum won 14 times the % of the population than mitt did in maine, or in MN where he won 3 times the % as Mitt did in Maine or in colorado where he won 4 times the % that Mitt did in Maine. Yes, its only a fraction of the state, but Mitt didnt even garner 2 tenths of 1 percent of the vote in Maine and apparently that should give him a surge. That makes no sense.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
63.
Cry me a river, Twain.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Real Conservative,
You are dis-counting what Romney would do with his Supreme Court judge appointments.
Do you know what Obama would have done instead?
Pack the court with more liberals.
——-
Oh wait, you don’t buy that reasoning, do you?
February 13th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
61.
Rombot Dave,
Do you even own a dictionary?
February 13th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
72.
No.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Wow. Another poll shows Santorum doubled up since last Tuesdayish.
Not bad. I figured PPP looked a bit high for Rick, but thought they might be onto something.
Looks like they were.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
74,
Then WHY for heavens sakes do you expect me to buy it regarding the gang of Republicans that blew trillions of dollars blowing up some desert countries, creating new Medicare entitlements, and to top it all off, inflating a mortgage bubble they later stuck us with the tab for?
February 13th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
MPC, my friend..
Libs like Willard and his sidekick, Barack…
Who each gave us ObamneyCare mandates, exchanges, and subsidies….
Are T O A S T.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
69…what is wrong with this site? Im going to try and help you lunatics who cant define words. Fiscal = money. Fiscal = finance. Fiscal = dollars. Does that make sense yet? So saying “Newt and Santorum are not socially conservative. Placing trillions of dollars in debt onto future generations via the schemes they promoted…” doesnt make any sense. You should say they arent FISCALLY conservative. Pretty sure anyone who is willing to ban abortion except to save the life of the mother and who thinks that homosexuals should have as much right to marry as a man and a dog is extremely socially conservative.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
“RickSantorum Obama is wrong. Government cannot force you to pay for something that violates faith or beliefs. Govt has no right to do this.”
Santorum has spent all day today pounding the this message home ……..exploting politically the issue that Obama gave to his candidacy on a silver platter.
What is Romney’s message today?…..what message has he been pounding on today?
What is his team doing?
February 13th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
74.
MPC,
Don’t turn this into a Paulbot foreign policy site or I’m telling Kavon on you
February 13th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Craig, my friend…
Libs like Bush and his sidekicks, Santorum and Gingrich…
Who each gave us Medicare Part D, trillion dollar wars, and a mortgage bubble with easy money from their pals at the Fed…
Are T O A S T
February 13th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
MPC,
I’m going to have to ponder and beard scratch over the idea of deficits as a social issue.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Hmmmm….. I think they’re all here.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
67 – The liberals are winning the culture fight regardless of Rick Santorum and socons. They’re winning it with the freedom argument. People are free to choose how they want to live. It’s not a fight for the self righteous. It’s a fight for the tolerant. Only the tolerant can speak to both sides because they give the impression of understanding. This is America after all. All independents have a pocket book though. Many are successful and see problems with their checkbooks. This is the battle we want not the socon battle.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Huckarubio,
You missed the whole point.
Burying the future of this country in debt and just ignoring the consequences is not conservative. There’s no division in fiscal/social. It’s not conservative, period. Santorum whether he realized it or not wanted a free lunch paid for by the future families of the country.
I care a lot more about that than about whether he waved some signs at a pro-life rally. One of them has real consequences for me and you.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
81.
LOL!
THEN we’re all toast.
Because your beloved Willard ain’t the answer to anything you have mentioned today.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Matt,
“The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity in the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
-Thomas Jefferson
February 13th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
85.
Yep,
The lifes of a thousand babies a day murdered at Planned Parenthood offices trumps anything financial.
End the Fed is nice and all but FIRST I’m ending the abortions.
First!
February 13th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Craig,
That’s why I’m voting for Ron Paul for goodness sake.
You on the other hand will remain gullible and vote for Santorum or Newt.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Aside from fetuses and gays, what exactly has been conservative about Santorum’s record in Congress?
February 13th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Something I think is odd, and worth thinking about is before Romney even announced he was running for president, before he formed an exploratory committee, he began getting vetted. The vetting was pretty intense for him, and a lot of false narratives are still around today. However, I haven’t seen any of the other candidates get vetted to any degree close to what Romney went through.
I think that’s why “Rombots” are so frustrated that the media isn’t vetting any of the other candidates, but I wonder if Romney faced unique resistance from the media. I tend to think part of the vetting against Romney last time around was because he took an early lead in the polls, part because he was a clearly great candidate, and a small part because of his religion.
I tend to think Santorum and Gingrich aren’t really being vetted by the media because they’re not really serious candidates. Gingrich has been on more of a book tour than presidential campaign, and Santorum was literally the last candidate that Iowa was willing to look at (you may say they never gave Huntsman a chance, but Huntsman didn’t compete there).
Regardless, the reality of Santorum will come out and he’ll fade fast.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
88
How are you ending abortion exactly, Craig?
February 13th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
88
Actually, you’re doing the opposite. By choosing Santorum, you’re handing Obama 2-3 new Justices on the court that will keep abortion on demand intact, and may even find partial birth abortion unconstitutional.
Your anti-Mitt garbage will actually hurt the causes you fight for, to my delight.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
84.
Spoken like a Daily Kos’er.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
To all ABR’s. What has Santorum and Gingrich done for conservatism from DC nationally in their 70+ years as career politicians? Are we better off today because of what they did in office? The answer for me is NOTHING!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
92.
MPC,
Supreme court rulings and constitutional ammendment.
Both ways.
Look, we So-Cons are 70% of the party
Respect our authority!
February 13th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
For voters under 30, the culture war issues are a huge, huge winner for Dems. In 10-15 years, culture war issues will sweep the GOP out of every major office in the country.
The social cons are the single most destructive force in politics, killing off the future of the GOP.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
And as far as foreign policy goes, I am happy to have a debate if you want to go at it. We can then shelve utopian neoconservatism into some dusty old library shelves next to its Marxist ideological brethren.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
*amendment
February 13th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
On a side note Romney needs to stop saying, “It’s not worth getting upset about”. He should just say, “you don’t need to get upset”.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
85. Yeah, the one that has real consequences is the pro-life rally. Otherwise we are going to continue to be without a third of our population that should be paying into social security. We are going to be a society rampant with homosexual practices, the same that took down sodom and gomorrah. I would rather have a social conservative who has spent too much money but can actual change their spending to save the country then a fiscal conservative who has no social creds which come from the heart and will not nominate SC justices that are socially conservative. Im looking at the best of the current crop and i’ll take santorum every time.
Now, give me a BC with huck or jindal and my time and money will start going towards someone.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Boo-hoo, Max
Poor baby.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
This is why we need Santorum. Santorum will crush the Religious Right’s influence, will break the Tea Baggers, will leave talk radio with no excuse (like the blame Dole/McCain game they use to knock moderates).
Santorum will destroy the Palin wing of the party, leaving them without a shred of credibility. This will pave the way for a reformed GOP, free of insane anti-science, anti-reality voters to appease.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Max, you are a waste on this site…Kavon should kill your ass off. “Aside from fetuses and gays”……really? I hope you make your final steps to the democrat party where you can join the rest of the libs who have nothing better to do than bash the people who most closely relate to the founders of this great nation.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Conservative Gladiator,
What has Romney ever done for the Coservative cause?
MASS CARE?
Advocating for FED MINIMUM WAGE to be index to inflation.
Keeping a new VAT TAX as a possibility in his economic plan?
Gingrich & Santorum at least played a hand in passing Welfare Reform during the same time when Romney was bragging that he did not want to back to Reagan/Bush.
Romney has done well for Romney…good for him.
But for the Conservative cause?….not so much.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
So Craig, I can see that as long as a candidate says they don’t like abortion, you’ll vote for them, even if it means an impoverished nation where many more babies are killed than today, and the rest grow up without opportunity?
Supporting these idiots is supporting the decline in America that has resulted and will naturally result from their unconservative policies. It’s a country where people won’t even choose to have children or get married to begin with.
Conservatism that cons the future to live in the present isn’t conservatism.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Craig (banned but shows up anyway out of disrespect to Kavon),
Poor you, my delusional friend. Abortion is here to stay thanks to you. Gay marriage will be coming all our states soon, thanks to fools like you.
You lost the culture war, Craig. You blew it.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Craig, I agree with you….and to add to it, the personhood amendment at the state level would quickly move the pro-life movement forward on a political and judicial level. AUL is moving it forward quickly as well. You all should read the book “Blood Money”. If all of America did, PP would be out of business and the 54% of americans that consider themselves pro-life would grow even larger. Oh, and over 2.3 of americans believe that abortion should be limited to rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother (or more restrictive).
February 13th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Max Twain,
Yep, you are correct.
We wouldn’t have had Gay Marriage and Abortions if we could have argued the issues in a reasonable way like Romney.
I mean, geeeeeze whizzzzzz….Romney is so cival when he talks about these issues……Mitt makes the Libs just gush…hell, Mitt makes them blush.
Good grief.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
67.Smack1968 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Conservative Gladiator,
“I would rather fight Obama on the economy and free enterprise and push for conservative policies that promote marriage and families without alienation”
Ahhhhh…that in a nut shell is Romney’s ideology.
The problem with that ideology is if you do not alienate Liberals and challenge INDIES…well…..you aren’t really fighting for the promotion of Conservative causes……you are just busy trying to seem resonable to the elites of the country.
Not good enough…not even close.
===
Bingo, Smacks.
This whole hardcore Rombot go along to get along with liberals mentality that has infected Race42012 lately is disturbing.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Huckarubio,
Actually most of the founders of this great nation were rich, Ivy League businessman, like Mitt. And many of them were from Massachusetts.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Max, go to hell…..join your friends there. “Abortion is here to stay thanks to you”….how the hell does that even make sense? Abortion isnt here to stay. Its only been legal for 39 of the 236 years we have been a nation and its getting more and more restricted (partial birth ban, numerous state level bans, sonograms being required, no abortions for minors, no state to state abortions, etc). Gay marriage will never be in all states. We will have a marriage ammendment first. It is people like you who tear apart the great GOP, not craig.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
For the record, Gingrich didn’t fade, he was smeared by millions in negative ads. He contributed to his performance in FL by his debate performances.
I suppose a few million in negative ads paid for by wall street could hurt Rick, but I am not sure what they would say. The attacks that hurt Rick in his senate campaign were from the left; most folks in DC laugh when Romney suggests Rick is not conservative.
Rick, however, can beat the daylights out of Romney for Romneycare, abortion as well as guns, gays and God. And on economics Rick can attack Romney’s record as gov.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Huckarubio,
Thanks for all you do here.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
103 – The socons have valid conservative arguments and can win those arguments because they are truth. The problem again with the Republican party is that it’s no longer a “clean” party morally. Their self righteousness reeks badly and comes across as either condescending, intolerant or very hypocritical. To have Rush push social conservative views is hilarious on its face. To have Gingrich pushing socially moral values is hilarious. Now you have Santorum and his rhetoric from another negative view of intolerant socons is hilarious. Independents and moderates see Republicans as political as the Dems now.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
111. Damn, if mitt were a christian who cared about people and had some social values then the parts about being rich invy leaguers might make them almost equal….oh, and you might want to keep the “rich” label quiet if you actually are wanting to win all these groups in the general that you claim Mitt will win.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Smack
The culture was is lost, people like you have contributed to the exodus of young voters, minorities, and affluent college educated voters from our party.
What’s left is a collection of old, white, ignorant xenophobic homophobic loons who are beyond saving. Nicely done.
The Democrats have had no greater champion, no more valuable supporter than the conservative base.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Off work for the day….until tomorrow
February 13th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Max is here quoting Max Twain Sr. from a speech he gave in 1965.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
105 – I asked the question first. If you can answer and give me the rundown, I’ll be more than happy to show you what Romney has done for conservatism.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Max,
“What’s left is a collection of old, white, ignorant xenophobic homophobic loons who are beyond saving. Nicely done.”
So are you just here to masterbate, or what?
February 13th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
107.
Incorrect.
But I wouldn’t lose any sleep if Kavon BANNED YOU and your Daily Kos drivel
You add ZERO to this site and even Kavon told me to ignore your tantrums about So-Cons like Huckabee etc…
February 13th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Huckarubio
Your stupidity on these issues is not surprising. The new restrictions on abortion will soon be washed away by all the new judges a reelected Obama will get to appoint. We’ve lost 4 out of 5 popular votes in the last 5 elections, and Obama and Hillary will add 3 more losses to that list.
After Obama and Hillary get done with the courts over the next 12 years, restrictions on abortion will vanish.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
104.Huckarubio….returns Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Max, you are a waste on this site…Kavon should kill your ass off. “Aside from fetuses and gays”……really? I hope you make your final steps to the democrat party where you can join the rest of the libs who have nothing better to do than bash the people who most closely relate to the founders of this great nation.
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I’ll sign that petition
February 13th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Max Twain,
Well….you got me…..it’s all my fault.
All I can say now is…..
…..your welcome.
…oh and one more thing….
Matt “MWS” is correct, you are having a nervous breakdown and it’s playing right here on RACE42012!!!
Great entertainment..I thank you.
Carry on.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Huckarubio,
This is just a poor understanding of what makes and breaks a country. I defended Santorum’s personal views on another topic. Homosexual practices are a clear line American society should not cross. Abortion shouldn’t have been crossed. A nation that says to each man to do as he pleases, is not a nation, nor will it find within itself the strength to weather the tests of time. Where Santorum is wrong is that this sort of thing can never come from the top. People have to be persuaded.
Bankrupting your country, as Santorum has voted to do time and again and clearly is not really that concerned with, is a very avertable disaster leaders only choose not to avert because they forget the very basis of conservatism – actions have consequences. America pursued after easy money and gain, and now it’s simply reaping the results. This isn’t a short term focus on money as the end-all-be-all. This is rather a direct repudiation of that view, one that so-called conservative Santorum has been more than eager to take.
Why did Santorum think it was so necessary to have all these extra benefits now at the expense of the future, unless he was too concerned with material comforts? He certainly got plenty of those as a Congressman.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Max,
“We’ve lost 4 out of 5 popular votes in the last 5 elections, and Obama and Hillary will add 3 more losses to that list.”
On the other hand, the Democrats have only won a majority of the Presidential vote once since 1976.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
121
I’m here for the slim, slim hope that people like Romney and Christie and Daniels and Ryan can save this country. But they are up against the power of ignorance, resentment, and racism. I no longer believe they can save us.
So instead, I’m here to watch history. I wasn’t around to see the Whigs vanish. But I will be able to say I was there when the last GOP majority was defeated, forever.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
I have 10 grandchildren, and Bush and Obama have pounded down $20,000 of debt onto each of their heads over the past 12 years, and none of them have ever cast a vote on it.
So don’t callously discount spending and debt as a “social issue”. It’s not by Hoyle, but it is, if you get my drift.
But Willard’s gonna nominate babykillers to the Supreme Court.
Willard = Obama, on that score and many others, including the debt issue, wherein Willard’s said little or nothing, other than he’s gonna double the Navy and blow the Taliban to the virgins.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
116 Huckarubio
I’ve already stated I don’t want to win anymore. Romney doesn’t deserve this bullshit.
The baggers deserve their Santorum/Angle candidate, and all of the blame that comes with the aftermath.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Harold
What babykillers is he going to nominate? Do you have a name or two to back up your nonsense? Everyone in Romney world that I speak to, and everyone in conservative circles has pegged Paul Clement as the next GOP nominee to the Supreme Court. No doubt he’d be Romney’s first choice.
So please, explain this babykiller nonsense, or just leave.
February 13th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Max Twain,
Then join me in the epic cause of a BROKERED CONVENTION!!!!!
So we can blow this thing up and compromise on a candidate such as Paul Ryan.
If Mitt does not have the political skill to wrap up this nomination by the convention, he does not deserve to be our nominee.
Mitt’s political skills lack big time.
Join me.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Max,
You realize that every 6 years or so, some article will headline Newsweek, the NYT, or The Atlantic, speculating that Party X is doomed forever, and Party Y now has a permanent majority?
February 13th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
If Churches would just stay out of politics and strengthen their own congregations there would be less of a problem with socon issues. Republicans are becoming less religious like their Dem counterparts. They’re falling into the “I’m free, to make my own decisions” argument in their own lives giving into “American” society. They’re worse than Dems in many ways because Dems don’t preach morality. The only thing you can do is persuade when it comes to morality. Churches are to persuade with love and understanding. The more you try and force your views on people the more defiant they become. It’s a fact. Beyond that they look for the arguments against you and right now the Republican party has way too many hypocrites (weapons) to use against socon arguments. We are losing the Socon war there is no doubt but to use Rick Santorum as the weapon to battle against it is folly.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
The same babykillers he nominated in Taxachusetts?
You know, since he’s a babykiller to the Left of Teddy Kennedy and all?
February 13th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
I have 10 grandchildren, and Bush and Obama have pounded down $20,000 of debt onto each of their heads over the past 12 years, and none of them have ever cast a vote on it.
So don’t callously discount spending and debt as a “social issue”. It’s not by Hoyle, but it is, if you get my drift.
Amen.
Conservatism is not fiscal or social, it’s just conservatism, either you are or you aren’t.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
ConGlad,
“They’re worse than Dems in many ways because Dems don’t preach morality. The only thing you can do is persuade when it comes to morality.”
Isn’t the purpose of preaching to persuade?
February 13th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
I find the idea of getting rid of the GOP, even to replace it with another strong, Conservative party, distasteful. This is the party of Lincoln, and the party of Reagan, and the party of Eisenhower, etc.
Besides, end of the GOP or not, if Romney doesn’t win the nomination this cycle, he’ll never be President. So, honestly, what comes next….I don’t really care.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I agree with Smack that the party is better served grabbing up, say, Christie and DeMint at the convention than to soldier on after narrow voting behind a candidate most of them aren’t sold on.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
132
Brokered Convention is a guaranteed loser. Obama will have the summer all to himself, candidates won’t be able to raise sufficient funds for the general, and we may get a nominee that no one voted for and who is hasn’t been vetted.
No, a Romney/Christie or Romney/Rubio ticket, announced early and campaigning hard throughout the summer when gas his $4 a gallon was our best chance.
But the baggers blew it. It’s over now.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
I guess things are going to be nasty until Michigan’s over. It’s getting boring. I may decide to not wast my time until then.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Considering our economy was in free fall, our sitting President had a 25ish approval rating, and we were still fighting two unpopular wars, it’s a wonder 2008 wasn’t a 45 state landslide. In another era- before the culture war- it would have been.
In fact, the only party to truly win ANY real landslides since the culture wars began is…… the Republican Party.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Max,
You know Rubio is across the board pro-life, right?
February 13th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
133
Srue, but those stories were never backed up with dramatic demographic changes. We’ve never seen gay rights as popular as they are now, we’ve never seen this large of a Hispanic population, so on and so on.
The coalition that existed for Reagan, that Republicans can’t move on from, is no longer enough to win. And with the party getting more and more extreme, this will only worsen.
Maybe in 2016, they’ll smarten up, and we’ll see a Christie or a Huntsman type with the nomination.
That would be nice. Unfortunately, the Dems may have an even stronger nominee that Obama in Hillary, meaning that even if we get our act together we’ll still be crushed for a further 8 years.
Beating Obama now was our chance, and the baggers gave it away.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
MWS – my point is no one wants a politician who preaches especially when there are many hypocrites to point to in your party against your arguments. It’s a losing cause.
Same thing goes for a preacher or pastor in a Church. You can’t preach the Gospel of Christ and then turn around and pick a side politically telling others to follow you when there are hypocrites against your argument for the truth. Either you’re neutral persuading people of the truth of living righteously or no different than the Ayatollah’s of Iran trying to run a political party with your values and beliefs.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
143
Yea, he was smartly groomed by Jeb to fool people like his brother did. Very wise.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
To retouch on a perceived divide on fiscal and social conservatism, I’m convinced that living irresponsibly and without regard to the consequences of our choices as a nation has always been closely accompanied by a decline in traditional American values and standards.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
125.Smack1968 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Max Twain,
…oh and one more thing….
Matt “MWS” is correct, you are having a nervous breakdown and it’s playing right here on RACE42012!!!
Great entertainment..I thank you.
Carry on.
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It is funny.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
145. we’d be alot better off as a nation if we actually did have churches preachin to vote GOP. There, I said it….and I believe it.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
ConGlad,
So religion has nothing to say about issues regarding justice, freedom, liberty, or the law?
February 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Max,
Here is one of the most sincere and impassioned speeches I have seen a politician give in defense of life. It’s part 2 of 3, delivered without a teleprompter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff36d19Cf8I&feature=player_embedded
February 13th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Huckarubio,
I disagree, far too many con men inside the Republican Party, it would end up besmirching the name of Christianity.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Max Twain Says:
I’ve already stated I don’t want to win anymore.
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Don’t worry. You’re not.
But that brings up the question.. Why are you wasting your time here if you admit you lost?
February 13th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
The con men are getting their message out either way. Why not have true conervative Christian pastors teaching about how christian values should be reflected in the voting booth? I dont understand how the catholic church can get up an read something that pretty much says “dont vote for obama cause he is forcing us to pay for contraceptives” but my church cant say “go vote for this christian or that christian because they are strongly pro-life” without it being a violation of “church and state”.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
152.
You know THAT’s exactly the liberals and atheists like Max Twain’s argument against devout Christian Republicans.
I know you’re young like Max but you are better than that.
Do some research.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Huckarubio,
“we’d be alot better off as a nation if we actually did have churches preachin to vote GOP. There, I said it….and I believe it.”
I wouldn’t go that far. Religion needs to stand above politics, as it is in fact, superior to it. So being wed to a political party would sully the religion in question. But I do think churches should speak out forcefully on the moral diminsions of political issues, whether abortion, civil rights, social justice, immigration, just war, the environment, freedom, etc… etc…..
February 13th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Craig,
There ARE a lot of con men in the GOP who use abortion for votes, and then do nothing about it.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
The congregation ain’t partisan, dude.
Catholics are a swing vote, and so’s about everybody else.
Heck, if you go to church every week, that vote splits about 60-40 R to D.
And “evangelicals” only somewhat wider than that, in contrary to the whackadoodle conspiracy mongers.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
138.Matthew Kilburn Says:
Besides, end of the GOP or not, if Romney doesn’t win the nomination this cycle, he’ll never be President. So, honestly, what comes next….I don’t really care.
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And that about sums up every fanboy comment (which is 90% of the total) you have ever made here.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
150 – The Gospel tells us to obey the laws of the land. Justice, Freedom and Liberty are universal in America and the law of the land. It’s all about interpretation and persuasion. You have one party (Dems) that preach you are free to do what you want and don’t let others tell you otherwise. That the government will make sure you’re not harming anyone or yourselves. In that freedom they’ll also provide for you if you can’t provide for yourselves. You have another party that tells you that you are free and as long as you govern yourselves in a moral way, there will be no one to govern your success except for you. That your success has unlimited potential. The latter is conservative. We are free to choose either of these and we do so with persuasion. This is what makes America unique. So now you have religions that are free to preach the Gospel of Christ and you have others who are free to preach something different. Religions whose leaders are hypocrites eventually die on the vine with others to make up the difference. The Republican party is (or was) the conservative party because of truths based on Judeo-Christian beliefs. What is the Republican party anymore if it doesn’t do exactly as it preaches or persuades in a tolerant manner? It gives the opposition the ability to persuade in another direction and is there to make up the difference. Religions have a say in justice, freedom and liberty as long as they keep it where it belongs – in Church.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
If you’re pro-life like my wife for example, all Right to Life has to do is send her a postcard with the endorsed names on it, costs ‘em about a quarter a copy. That’s all she needs, and there are millions like her. The church don’t need to get involved. I mean, fine if they preach a pro-life sermon, but no need to go partisan on it.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
157.
True, Matty.
But they hardly ever come out of the South or lower Midwest.
In other words, from MY candidates
February 13th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
161 – The people who make socon issues partisan and political are the ones in the GOP party. The problem is the GOP is no longer the “holier than thou” party. There are way too many people that have fallen off the wagon and are back on and propped up as leaders. It’s time to remove these people and bring in those who haven’t been tainted by Washington and their personal flaws.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
“Religions have a say in justice, freedom and liberty as long as they keep it where it belongs – in Church.” -ConGlad
Rubbish.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Romney Regaining Momentum
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1449303832001/romney-regaining-momentum/?playlist_id=86858
February 13th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
I am an evangelical born-again Christian and every evangelical born again christian i know is a coservative republican….i cant speak for the fake %ages everyone wants to throw around. 92% of all stats are made up, right?
February 13th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
This poll is important for two reasons…
Obama over 50% not good.
And the Republicans have succeeded in making Obama look good by continually attacking Mitt Romney.
Obviously having a Mormon in the whitehouse is more of a threat to so-called “christians” than a godless communist.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
164 – You’re against the constitution then buddy. The constitution did not set up a political Church to push a state run religion. Everyone is free to pursue religion or not. There is no such thing as Church and state and you are proof of why religion has no place in politics. You are also proof of why people choose not to go to Church.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Craig,
As I said before, you’re just gullible. You’ll eat up anything any “devout Christian Republican” says, and turn a blind eye when all he does is liberally sticks the rising generation with trillions of dollars in debt. That’s not conservative, not under any definition of the word, and unfortunately your “devout Christian Republican” can talk about abortion all he wants – he’s still not conservative.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
160…tell that to Jesus Christ, who took His message and ministry to the streets, to the beggars, to the prostitutes, to the political leaders….you have no clue.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
169
YES!!!! YES!!!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Well, just as a point of political history… the Constitution DID enable state religions. Massachusetts didn’t give up their official state religion ’til the 19th century as I recall.
The Feds can’t establish religion, yes. The states can, not that they will.
Maybe both sides have a point here.
February 13th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
170 – Christ was no hypocrite you idiot. Don’t compare your preachers of the GOP to him…what blasphemy. Also Christ never pushed for politicians either or told them how to vote. Christ wanted people to look beyond the World and to live their lives accordingly. If people did that and persuaded others through their actions rather than words, the World would be a much better place. Also, they could better judge who is and isn’t a true follower of Christ and His teachings.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Three groups that claim to be conservative, and are not:
1. Wall Street types. They are conservative with their money and liberal with yours. We already knew they don’t have basic morals or standards. Their golden calf is the Fed.
2. Faux conservative “socons”. What Matt said sums them up: There ARE a lot of con men in the GOP who use abortion for votes, and then do nothing about it. DeLay, Santorum, etc are great examples. They like the Wall Street types tend to be very profligate with other people’s money and don’t care if they are sowing the seeds of misery for future families.
3. Neoconservatives. Their intellectuals are mostly ex-Trotskyites, they just wrapped themselves up in the flag and played on American love for military might to accomplish their aims. No amount of money spent to “spread democracy” ie anticonservative mass consumerism is too low a cost for these guys.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
173 you are the idiot….i am responding to the line that “Religions have a say in justice, freedom and liberty as long as they keep it where it belongs – in Church.” That has nothing to do with “GOP preachers”. You need to learn how to read. And dont act like you know anything about Christ. You clearly are not a Christian…a Christ follower. So dont act like you know Christ or anything about His teaching.
“In either case we’ll have to eat sh** for the socon rhetoric”
“It’s not a fight for the self righteous. It’s a fight for the tolerant. Only the tolerant can speak to both sides because they give the impression of understanding.” (Jesus died for his lack of tolerance..He didnt back down from the truth).
“If Churches would just stay out of politics and strengthen their own congregations there would be less of a problem with socon issues.”…oh yeah? again, just like Jesus stayed out of politics? (He didnt).
“Rick Santorum – the latest DC politician to finally get an enema”…just had to throw that quote in there.
Dont try and tell me about Christ and what He would or wouldnt do. Go open a Bible and fin out yourself first.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Agreed.
The contemporary conservative must be a social conservative, fiscal conservative and limited government conservative.
The 3 are related, and in conflict in some ways, but they all have to be present, and the conflicts effectively managed.
Bush was the first only, and a disaster on the second 2.
Obama and Willard are a disaster on all 3, because they’re both true progressives.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Bibles, gays, abortion. Santorum puts all these issues at the center of a campaign against Obama where the top issues are the economy and jobs.
He gives them exactly what they want, a deranged culture warrior advocating that forced child birth is something all impregnated rape victims should go through.
Santorum/Angle/O’Donnell, what a class of candidates provided by the baggers. Amazing.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
174
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. And it sickens me that we are actually potentially going to nominate someone who fits perfectly within TWO of those groups at once – Santorum.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
176
Once again you make another statement and back none of it up. Something tells me you donated to Christine O’Donnell.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
178
Just embrace, like I have. The destruction of Santorum at the hands of the Democrats will be 1964-esque. He’ll sink every single one of these Tea Baggers. The 2010 majority will be wiped out, and any claim of “moderates like McCain/Dole” costing us elections will die with the Santorum campaign in the fall.
There is simply no reaching these Freeper/Craig types. They can’t be reformed or saved. Better to let them be landslided, then rebuild with a Christie or Huntsman in 2016.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
180
We’re not better off losing in 2012, no matter how you slice it. A loss to Obama is 4 years of $500+ billion deficits and Obamacare becomes a permanent entitlement program.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
175 – Religion has no place in politics because religion is not about men, it’s about Christ and His teachings and men who are willing to follow. Men are not capable to living up to Christ’ standards, not even your GOP men. Men are hypocrites and liars. Men are weak and need persuasion. Some more than others. To compare any of them to Christ is blasphemy. In the Bible Christ tells us to pray in closets where no one can see. Do you wonder why that is? It’s because men who do otherwise want people to believe that they’re something they’re not. I watched Santorum have hands laid on him by these “GOP” men on a Sunday. That is not following Christ’ teaching. That is being a hypocrite and God despises hypocrites.
I am who I am and I say what I say and I don’t apologize for it. At the same time, I don’t pretend to be religious because it’s convenient or so I can say what I want to others who aren’t. Everyone is free to choose how they want to live, just don’t act like you’re better than others because of it when you know you’re not. Also, don’t act like you read the Bible and understand it if you can’t see what’s happening in front of you.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
$500 billion being the best-case scenario, $1 trillion being the likely scenario.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
181
Will it really be better with a Mitt win? The baggers will sabotage him in the Congress at every turn. The headaches they give Boehner will be nothing compared to the turmoil they unleash on Romney. Democrats will stay united against a President Romney, allowing the baggers to derail his agenda and setting him up to be quickly dispatched by Hillary in 2016.
As long as they have influence at this level, they will poison everything good Mitt tries to do.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
180:
Moderates like McCain/Dole do cost us elections. Santorum isn’t unelectable because of his policies. He’s just a joke in general.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
184 – Romney will win and so will America. Career politicians and their personal agendas will fall by the wayside. DC won’t be the same and America will be better off with a President Romney.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
185
Don’t be an idiot. We lost in 1996 because the economy was on the rebound. We lost in 2008 because of Bush, Iraq, and the housing collapse. Give me a break.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
185
Moderates like Eisenhower, Nixon, and the Bushes have delivered us more wins than any conservatives. What did Bob Taft ever get us? What did Goldwater ever give us?
Dole lost because he was a 72 yr-old senator running against a President with big job growth and low unemployment. McCain lost because the economy fell off a cliff a month before the election against the first African American candidate in history.
I mean, what conservative could have beaten Clinton in 1996? The only person who polled ahead of Clinton was Powell, and he is far more moderate than Dole.
What conservative would’ve outperformed McCain? Palin was a net negative on the ticket. Hunter? Tancredo? Brownback? Which one of them would’ve been stronger than “moderate” McCain?
February 13th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
186
Nah, the baggers O’Donnelled Romney. They’ve lost us the election.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
189 – There are large pockets but not enough to win on their own. Romney’s taking it to them. Making them question their understanding of what a conservative is. Cooler heads will prevail.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Palin at a brokered convention?
Why not. Since a brokeredconvention is guaranteed to produce a sure losing outcome in November, why not double down and get rid of Palin at the same time.
If not Romney in 2012, the party better look to the legit rising stars of the GOP: Ryan, Jindal, McDonnell, Christie and Pence.
If we can’t have a superior choice like Romney, having to pass kidney stones like a Palin, Santorum or a Gingrich, may just be the gut wrenching regurgitation we need to go through to purify the party of these media created caricatures of whata Conservative is.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
YES!!!
I’m so tired of all the blowhards claiming Palin is some hero and Conservative fighter. She’s a quitter and extremely annoying.
February 13th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
191
Exactly.
I endorse Santorum/Palin. The Santorum Wave of Destruction will wash the stain of the Tea Baggers away.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
A loss to Obama is 4 years of $500+ billion deficits and Obamacare becomes a permanent entitlement program.
.
Same as with Willard, in other words.
And why not? They’re both true progressives.
Willard invented ObomneyCare, is the only difference.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Simple rule I live by. Anyone who uses the term “Tea Baggers” is a hatemonger with nothing worth listening to.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
194
You are so stupid, it’s disgusting. I can’t believe people like you actually exist. If you think Romney won’t repeal Obamacare, you are an aberration from Darwin’s theories that the weakest evolve out of the human race.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
192 Palin at a brokered convention is a defection of the party. Anyone that doesn’t have what it takes to start at the beginning and then stirs up contention and hatred along the way has no seat at the table.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Palin and Santorum are the Right Wing versions of Identity Politics.
The practice they propose to hate Left engaging in, but yet reveal themselves as the same type of slobbering sycophants in the presence on a pious fraud.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
198
Palin wouldn’t be where she is if she were smarter. Smart people don’t play well among the talk radio lemmings.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Your progressive hero Willard has already made it clear, through surrogates, that ObomneyCare is a go, Taxachusetts boy.
Why wouldn’t he? He frickin INVENTED it.
You really need to buy a clue. Of all the things that are killing Willard right now… ObomneyCare may be the worst… and that’s really saying something.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
200
He has ALWAYS opposed a federal one-size-fits-all takeover, which Obamacare is. EVEN WHEN it was popular.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Nobody believes a single word passing through this lying progressive crapweasel’s lips.
You need to start getting that into your head. Just because you believe what he “says”, doesn’t mean the rest of us do. We don’t.
Nominate Willard, and that issue is void of value. It’s politically stupid, in addition to all the other reasons not to nominate this loser.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
182….you are mistaken. So far from the truth that I wouldnt know where to begin. So I will leave you to your confusion. Read the Word my friend, and garner all you can from it. You might check out how the apostles had hands laid on them by men of God….nevermind…i said i wasn going to waste the time.
February 14th, 2012 at 12:40 am
180.Max Twain Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Christie or Huntsman in 2016.
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Ummm… NO!