I think it’s time for a reminder of what the general election would be about if by some chance Rick Santorum actually became the nominee. Here’s what two minutes on Google will teach you about the former Pennsylvania senator:
“If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does. It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn’t exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution. In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That’s not to pick on homosexuality. It’s not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing.” ~Rick Santorum
“There are people who were gay and lived the gay lifestyle and aren’t anymore. I don’t know if that’s the similar situation or that’s the case for anyone that’s black. It’s a behavioral issue as opposed to a color of the skin issue, and that’s the diff for serving in the military.” ~Rick Santorum
“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be. [Sex] is supposed to be within marriage. It’s supposed to be for purposes that are yes, conjugal…but also procreative. That’s the perfect way that a sexual union should happen…This is special and it needs to be seen as special.” ~Rick Santorum
”I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them other people’s money.” ~Rick Santorum
“Let’s look at what’s going to be taught in our schools because now we have same sex couples being the same and their sexual activity being seen as equal and being affirmed by society as heterosexual couples and their activity. So what is going to be taught to our people in health class in our schools? What is going to be taught to our children about who in our stories, even to little children — what are married couples? What families look like in America? So, you are going to have in our curriculum spread throughout our curriculum worldview that is fundamentally different than what is taught in schools today? Is that not a consequence of gay marriage?” ~Rick Santorum
“The idea is that the state doesn’t have rights to limit individuals’ wants and passions. I disagree with that. I think we absolutely have rights because there are consequences to letting people live out whatever wants or passions they desire.” ~Rick Santorum
“What we should be teaching are the problems and holes and I think there are legitimate problems and holes in the theory of evolution. And what we need to do is to present those fairly from a scientific point of view. And we should lay out areas in which the evidence supports evolution and the areas in the evidence that does not.” ~Rick Santorum
“Suffering, if you’re a Christian, suffering is a part of life. And it’s not a bad thing, it is an essential thing in life … There are all different ways to suffer. One way to suffer is through lack of food and shelter and there’s another way to suffer which is lack of dignity and hope and there’s all sorts of ways that people suffer and it’s not just tangible, it’s also intangible and we have to consider both.” ~Rick Santorum
“I believe that any doctor that performs an abortion, I would advocate that any doctor that performs an abortion, should be criminally charged for doing so.” ~Rick Santorum
“The American Left hates Christendom. They hate Western civilization.” ~Rick Santorum
“The idea that the Crusades and the fight of Christendom against Islam is somehow an aggression on our part is absolutely anti-historical.” ~Rick Santorum
“The Social Security system, in my opinion, is a flawed design, period. But having said that, the design would work a lot better if we had stable demographic trends. We don’t have enough workers to support the retirees . . . A third of the young people in America are not in America today because of abortion.” ~Rick Santorum
February 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Anyone who supports him has a 75% chance of being a bigot who covers it up with a euphemistic “true conservative” label.
What a horrible human being he is.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
This one……someone explain this one away….
“The idea is that the state doesn’t have rights to limit individuals’ wants and passions. I disagree with that. I think we absolutely have rights because there are consequences to letting people live out whatever wants or passions they desire.” ~Rick Santorum
How in the WORLD is that a conservative statement? Victorian? Yes. Conservative? Nonsense.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
“And we should lay out areas in which the evidence supports evolution and the areas in the evidence that does not.” ~Rick Santorum
One of those areas is going to be empty…
Can’t vote for someone so intentionally vapidly ignorant of how evolution works to be my leader.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I don’t like ripping on Santorum for the gay quotes, because he’s right in what he says. He is correct that the left really doesn’t like Christianity or Western civilization in general, and he is correct that abortion has played a substantial role in our demographic problems.
Almost all of these were taken out of context, the way a lot of Romney’s were as well.
On the “fight of Christendom against Islam”, he may be right about the medieval period, but someone needs to let him in on who installed the Shah in Iran. Had Obama been installed in a coup by the Chinese communist party, I think that would have counted as “Chinese aggression”
February 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Looks like Mitt supporters are getting nervous again!
February 10th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
4, wow.
How is he right in what he says about gays? There’s not a gay lifestyle.
You think some kid in highschool who gets beat up just decides to be gay to…..make his life easier? Yeah! Maybe we can send him to a camp to get fixed! Maybe God is challenging him.
Please. Get a clue.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Rick Santorum will be vetted just like the other non-Romneys and land squarely in his world of Right-Extremist views where he will live happily ever after. In a few days he’ll be wondering why his diatribes on Romney didn’t work after all. Oh yeah…he supported Romney whole-heartedly in 2008
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February 10th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Homosexual dogs for Mitt!!!
Really, Max..you try too hard with your silly FPPs.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Max doesn’t like Santorum because he’s afraid he will take away his internet porn.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Santorum’s ideas on the state, the individual, and moral principles in society rub me as wrong not because the moral principles he proposes supporting are not correct, but because that’s really just not the state’s venue and to attempt to make them so without changing the culture, is going to get nowhere.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
9.
Or his prom date.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
LOL @ all Rick supporters. I seriously didn’t know about even half of these.
Let’s leave aside the heavy bigotry and against the grain religious sides if things.
What about the racial tones? Money to blacks? Gays to blacks?
What about the statist tone in the above quote?
What about being completely anti-any-contraception? GOODBYE FEMALE VOTERS (and a lot of males who are happy with their wives on the pill). That us a huge REACH INTO THE AMERICAN BEDROOM.
“TRUE conservative?” Oops.
Santorum: too far right on social issues, too far left on economic issues.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Rick Santorum got into an argument with a New Hampshire student during a campaign speech at a College. There is footage of it. He was trying to make a philosophical argument that polygamy and gay marriage are the same thing. Maybe there are social conservatives that don’t mind that argument, but I think it’s revolting. There is no philosophical argument to support that, but he continued this argument in front of a college crowd. The young lady was the only one that made sense. He was booed and he should of been. He is clearly demonstrating bigotry against gay people.People join the Republican Party for different reasons. Some for fiscal responsibilty and a strong private sector and some for the conservative social issues. Some of these social conservatives just take it too far. These remarks by Santorum are not going to over well in the general election. The left won’t like it, independents and I would hope most Repuplicans. In a general election Santorum would be characterized as a bigot.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Yep. His gay internet porn. Where the principles dress up like pterodactyls.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
5. I am a Mitt supporter and yes I am getting nervous..
about losing to Obama…. if Santorum is the Nominee.
You should be nervous too.
If he is the nominee..
Replublicans/Conservatives/Moderates/evangelicals/Big Tenters and all Americans lose.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I just saw Ron Paul’s new ad attacking Santorum, and it’s devastating. Right Speak has it up.
BTW, did you know he voted for the ‘bridge to nowhere?’ He actually said: “I am no longer a deficit hawk. I had to spend the surplus.” And I thought voting for Davis Bacon, getting more than a Billion Bucks in earmarks, voting against Right to Work, and being a millionaire lobbyist for Big Medicine were bad. (partial list.)
February 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Santorum isn’t wrong. What he is is impolitic.
The kinds of people he irks, like the initial poster here, are exactly the right kind of people to irritate.
Not necessarily what’s ideal in a presidential candidate, but not worth dudgeon either.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Booyeah,
Can you find me some examples of gays from the 1500′s? How about from today? That more people identify as gay today seems to contradict you. The only cultures on earth to have widespread open practice of homosexuality have been decadent, declining ones, where the laws of nature have been discarded and society is headed towards dissolution into a mass of hedonistic self-interest.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
I agree with almost all of these statements….santorum isnt trying to win people over. He is trying to be honest. Our country is going to hell in a handbasket. Stopping abortion, stopping sodomy, stopping alot of the things that has torn this country down. Its pretty clear whether or not you are goin to vote for the guy. Anyone who knows Santorum not only isnt surprised by this, but is glad someone is saying it.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
I just love love love love love that the focus has turned to social issues.
Anytime the focus is on social issues is bad news for Romney.
Which is good news for a Republican Party that cares about nominating someone with actual principles.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
16,
WOW! Santorum is gonna fall hard with that one.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
13….you have no understanding of religion then. Calling a sin a sin is not being a bigot. If Santorum saying “I hate mr smith because he is gay” then he is a bigot. Not agrreing with someone’s lifestlye because it is in clear violation of your religion doesnt make you a bigot. If it does then all muslims are bigots towards women, all christians are bigots towards homosexuals, all catholics are bigots towards anyone who uses a condom, and all Jews are bigots towards anyone who eats meat….come on. You underestimate the social conservatives in the republican party. How do you think Bush won 8 years? It sure as heck wasnt on his smooth talk and plan for America!
February 10th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
20….preeeeeeeeeeeeeeach!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Can I find you historical examples of gays? Sure.
Spartans
Greeks
Romans
James Buchanan
Tchiakovsky
I could go on and on, but it isn’t worth it.
And laws of nature? I guess my dog that keeps trying to hump other male dogs while fully sprung is choosing to be a gay dog.
Pull your head out of the sand, dude.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Annette
How is Santorum demonstrating bigotry against gay people in that example?
He is a tireless defender of the rights of husbands and their many loving wives (perhaps Newt understands) to form loving families just like the gay people. How does their marriage make the antiquated notion of a marriage of two gay men less valuable?
Bigots like you Annette are the sort of people that said that gay people who love each other being free to marry would somehow harm straight people.
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February 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
With a proponent of gay marriage the absolute best way to get them is to simply use every ounce of their rhetoric and logic, to argue in favor of polygamy. Santorum’s right, they can only do it by tying themselves in knots. If society should accept gay marriage, there is no argument at all to prevent its acceptance of polygamy.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Leave Mitt’s grandfather out of this.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
17, 18, 19
Wow. Truth to power…? look, I actually agree in my personal and religious life with some of the things he said. However, his tone and rhetoric aren’t exactly loving, either. And that’s the main point about it: should the federal government get into your bedroom and tell you about contraception? Should it not allow civil unions or something for gay couples?
Overreach by federal government is never a good thing. His blending of religion and government us not the answer. Govt needs to get OUT of religion. Also, his racial rhetoric is going to be HORRIFIC, in or out of context. His SEXISM rhetoric with the contraception statements is toxic to women.
He’s running for POTUS, not pastor.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Opposition to gay marriage and gay rights generally is literally dying off. 78% between the ages of 18-34 favor gay marriage.
Once again, Republicans are rolling the dice on a social issue, and once again, they’re going to be on the wrong side of history. Way to go.
Done. With. This. Party.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Even Jesus preached for separating the public life from private worship:
“Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and unto God that which is God’s.”
Santorum isn’t a Christian. He’s a Pauline Christian. Which is, you know……full of hate.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I genuinely agree with a lot of things Santorum says there :
“In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality”
True.
True regarding the Crusades too.
It’s just the rant on sex that I find weird.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Booyeah,
If you want to jump right in and celebrate the decadence of society, you go right ahead. Everyone should be free to do as they please! Forget common goals, standards, or even obligations. Just me, me, me, and if I can work over the future heirs of the country to get even more ahead, more power to me.
Your head is in the sand if you still think this train is headed anywhere good.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I still have never, ever heard, an actual, tangible way Jerry and Jeffrey getting married will impact the bond with my wife one iota.
Them getting married won’t affect my ability to be married, stay married, procreate, watch Jurassic Park, or eat hamburgers.
It’s nothing more than bigotry. Period.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
The difficult part for Romney is it’s hard to attack him on these issues because it will appear as if it’s coming from the anti-Christian Left.
That being said, this is why Santorum is simply not viable. And honestly, most of these issues really have no business in the discussion of elected leaders anyway. Do you really think America will become a more “moral” nation with Santorum at the helm?
The media will of course keep a lid on all of this to wait and see if Santorum gets the nod. Then, they will release it and Obama will beat him like a drum.
Romney is going to have to go back to the Florida playbook and use it on Santorum until Super Tuesday is over.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
” “The idea is that the state doesn’t have rights to limit individuals’ wants and passions. I disagree with that. ”
This is troubling. Hey, if I want to bang a bunch a pretty women, and they agree, the state has no business to intervene!
February 10th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
The institution of marriage has always been political and theological at once.
It was aimed to create alliances among the aristocracy of different countries.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
32, that’s individualism. You want collectivism, go to China.
As long as I’m not harming someone else’s individual liberties (because society has only a collection of individual liberties, no actual collective rights), I should be able to do it.
I’ve smoked marijuana, partied too hard in college, had premarital sex. But I’m super smart, got great grades, and have been with one woman for eight years, four of them in marriage. WE WERE SUCH SINNERS BEFORE WE GOT MARRIED, OOOOH!!!
I’m a 27-year-old successful lawyer, who has served as both a prosecutor, and then gone into private practice.
Me doing those other things didn’t harm anyone. But please, judge me. I’m so desperate to hear the anti-individual, anti-science ramblings of a few hayseeds who still think Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
27 – LOL
26 – You are right that it is an easy way to win the argument rationally (and the girl looked pretty dumb when Rick challenged her)…however, Rick looked VERY unpresidential while doing it. He really needs to stay away from the social issues. Not because he is not right…but because he does not know how to articulate them without alienating people (unlike Huckabee), which is never a good thing when you are a presidential candidate…
February 10th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
A focus on social issues allowed Republicans to actually WIN when that campaign was run in 2004.
Q: How well is Mitt doing against Obama with his vapid “I am a businessman…hear me roar” schtick?
A: Rasmussen says he is losing by ten points.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
How dare Santorum attempt to limit the free choices of child pornographers!
But yes Common Cents, you are right, society will not tolerate Santorum saying these things so he’d probably not get elected. And I disagree with his tactics, you can’t change society from the top.
Booyeah
You seem to see hatred for gay people in the idea that society has an interest in promoting heterosexual, not homosexual, relations. If society has an interest in preventing illegal immigrants from crossing the border, is this racism against Mexicans?
February 10th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
40, you can’t promote straight over gay. That’s like promoting white over black.
If you really think people choose to be gay, you need to get out more.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
If this election is only about social issues.
Conservatives will lose.
Fiscal issues will have to drive the bus for a win.
Hence Santorum is the wrong candidate.
Independants don’t see social issues as important as Fiscal like your average So-Con.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Says you. But when was the last time “fiscal issues” won any presidential election for the GOP?
2000/2004 were about “compassionate conservatism” – fiscal moderation and social conservatism.
The truth, as much as it may not excite the Rombots, is that Republicans NEVER have enough of an enthusiastic base without social conservatives.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Independents did NOT flock to Dole, McCain, or Romney. ALL losers.
But they did towards the Ultra Social Conservative Bush TWICE.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
37 – Freedom is not about choosing what you want to do. It is about choosing what you should do. If enough people are no longer choosing what they should do (laying off drugs, abstain from perverted sexual activity, giving a hand-up to the poor, etc.), then our country will go into decline as have all civilization throughout history…
To that point…all of us are with sin, but we should all also strive to live a life without it…That makes for a much better society as a whole…
February 10th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
43. 45.
Well said.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Things are what they are, homosexuality comes out into widespread open practice when it is specifically encouraged (several ancient military units were “lovers”), decadent societies in particular like Athens and Rome in their later declining years have featured it, and not at all otherwise.
You remind me of my old libertarian self, Booyeah, and what I didn’t and you don’t consider are consequences for society of a complete lack of standards. Hyperindividualism is the twin of liberalism and will destroy us.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
I see the willardbots are breaking out the blowtorch on Santorum.
Wouldn’t it be nice, willardbots, if you supported a candidate who could actually win an election on his own?
You know, somebody that didn’t need to be propped up by tens of millions of his own and Goldman Sachs’ cash, fired into blowtorching every opponent?
Instead, you willardbots lined up like sheep behind a lying, progressive crapweasel.
He can’t run on his record, so he’s gotta trash the opposition.
What a morally degenerate scumbag this guy is. Just a scumbag.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
I think it’s funny that Paul gets labeled a libertarian. Most of what I see in him is a faith in people to solve their own problems and a lot of traditional conservatism. He understands that society, decadent and corrupted as it may be, can never be changed from the top.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Exactly right. And people are starting to notice. That’s why his unfavorables are climbing fast and why he is faring more poorly against Obama than the supposedly too socially conservative Santorum.
Mitt has the cash to trash Santorum, but his reputation can’t take the hit that such an endeavor would entail.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
And people talk about Romney being a gaffe machine? Romney’s gaffes are such that he doesn’t even mean what people are taking him out of context to mean. Santorum means most of the looney stuff he says.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
51 – The difference is that Romney’s gaffes repel the glorified center that he tries to seek.
Santorum’s gaffes only further endear him to the right.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Mitt is taking questions for the first time in a month
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/tab/live#/video/cvplive/cvpstream2
Thank the LORD.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Willard takes all kinds of questions.
That’s how we know he hates poor people.
And he loves firing people.
And corporations are people.
You know, neat personal stuff like that.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
52 – Yep … independents are going to eat this stuff up from Santorum. Obama would never use it against him.
You are the biggest hypocrite on this board. You were a Guiliani supporter in 2008, for crying out loud! Now you are a hard core social conservative embracing Santorum?
You’re motives are transparent. You are a liberal troll that hates Mormons. Anything to take down the candidate that is worse than the devil.
Go to hell!
February 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Well, that part is true.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
“I Came To The House As A Real Deficit Hawk, But I Am No Longer A Deficit Hawk … I’ll Tell You Why. I Had To Spend The Surpluses.” More of Rick’s Greatest Hits
February 10th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
I’m fine with 75% of these quotes. I don’t spend much time talking about contraception or homosexuality and I’d prefer my politicians didn’t either, but he’s not really wrong here, from my perspective. And the last 5 quotes are so obviously right that I find it bewildering that Max saw fit to include them. They out him as someone not in sympathy with social conservatism in general, not simply the strident brand Santorum espouses. Not well-calculated to win over the undecideds.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
58 – I think the point is that for all the grief Romney gets (including from you) for his handful of “gaffes”, Santorum has piles of stuff that can be used against him by the left.
You may agree with a lot of this stuff, but many of them are way out of the mainstream and can be made to look even further out of the mainstream.
Why aren’t you holding Santorum to the same standard that you apply to Mitt?
February 10th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I’ll chime in on the gay issue. There’s some strong feelings about that, here.
Is it a lifestyle? Or, a choice?
I don’t know the science of it. But, I’d suggest it’s a bit of both.
Some people are born with a higher propensity towards violence. Some discover they have a strong desire to steal stuff and become kleptomaniacs. Some become fascinated by fire and become arsonists.
We ALL find ourselves desiring things that are wrong. Maybe we lust after a woman. Maybe we imagine popping some jerk in the nose.
But, just having the desire does not make it right. It does not excuse the behavior. It does not mean God intended it to be that way.
I believe many gays have strong attraction to the same sex and are not attracted to the opposite. But, I don’t believe that makes gay sex any more appropriate than a married man acting on his desire for another woman or a step father acting on his desires for his new wife’s daughter.
We are people and endowed with the ability and responsibility to control our desires.
And, it bothers me that government and society is trying to make that lifestyle “normal”. That they are teaching our children that if they have feelings of curiosity about someone of their same sex that they’re probably gay and that it’s OK.
I believe that a lot of our youth are deciding to become gay just because of the influence of the media and the government teachings.
But, the fact it’s not going to go away. So, I’m against discrimination, but I’m also against gay marriage and against teaching gay relationships in school as normal.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
I agree with all but one of the quotes. I don’t think I’d phrase things the same way but I agree with the general thought behind most of the quotes.
What goes on between two gay people most resembles a sexually perverted kind of friendship, it can’t resemble a healthy marriage between a man and wife.
I don’t see the use in keeping marriage as an institution if we codify polygamy, homosexuality and incest into marriage. It would be no less rational to allow everyone to have a pilots license or medical license without training or qualifications.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
It won’t take Mitt to torch the latest “Flavor of the month.” All we have to do is look at everything Rick’s said recently. . .. VERY recently. . . . and he’s torching himself. Think what you want about gays, birth control, etc. . . . but Rick Santorum is the one that has made these issues center of his campaign, and Rick Santorum will sink with them too. So all you usual Rom-Nots who are so rabid right now, gnashing your teeth at Mitt – you ought to turn your angst to your own guy – who can’t seem to stop stepping in it. There is NO WAY he will survive a general with these kinds of quotes.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
I’ll put Santorum’s greatest hits against Obama’s.
Obama = Toast (Even if some Rombots vote for him out of spite)
February 10th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
..I’m talking to you, Rombot Max!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
63 – 2000 and 2004 was the dying gasp of the baby boomer culture war, even the architect of those campaigns Karl Rove – who conservative now hate, said so.
Every single one of those quotes will repel independents and moderates in the General Election. Of course, you as a SoCon would like those quotes. Liberals like green energy arguments. Independents will not flock to a man who builds his campaign on SoCon issues, they will be driven away in droves.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
It seems to me that most of the replies here are missing the point of this post. Whether or not you agree with 0, 50, or 100 percent of these quotes, how many of you believe that he would win over independent voters after Obama and company unleash their attacks with these quotes? Not only would they use the quotes to attack, but they would go a step further and imply all sorts of things Santorum didn’t mean.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Isn’t it great how all kinds of straight people can get dogmatic about what it means to be gay? Unfortunately for such people, the kind of misguided, inaccurate, maligning rhetoric filling this post is counter to the increasing experiences of Americans. We have gay brothers and sisters, and friends, and we see that the way they’ve been described for decades is inaccurate.
Not that the GOP hasn’t been concerned about chasing dying issues into the desert before…
February 10th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
#65, #66
You guys are correct in your assessment of how these statements will be taken by people who aren’t socially conservative (i.e. most voters). I have a number of friends that view Obama’s economic policies with disdain, yet they’ve commented that they’d vote for him over Santorum.
These statements aren’t gaffes; they show a repeated, constant attitude and ignorance. Not only that, but Santorum’s absolutely sure he’s right. Kiss moderates goodbye.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
You should have added that no women is allowed in the military because of emotional issues that could cause a mission to fail.
I guess my daughter who is a fighter pilot in the United states Air Force might have to defect or quit.
She certainly would not be welcome even though she willing to fight for this country because Santy boy say so.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
btw, people wonder why the GOP gets pegged in the media for being anti-science, anti-gay theocrats, need look no further than the man who’s making a serious challenge to become their nominee
February 10th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Vin – you hit it exactly right. No independent is going to touch Santorum in a General, with this kind of rhetoric. . . If Santorum’s our Nominee, then Barak will be our president come November. . . . that’s just the reality.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
If Santorum pulls of some miraculous victory, he will be THE WORST candidate in the last 100 years. He isn’t even very conservative, outside of social issues. Is that really the hill that Romney haters are going to die on? Their hate must run really deep … the only thing that explains that is religion.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
I am a solid Republican but don’t think i could vote for this guy.
He wants to tell me what my wife and I can do in the bedroom?
He wants my daughter removed from being a US Air Force pilot because being a female she has emotional issues
February 10th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
30…..booyeah, you know nothing. Guess what moron? Everything is Gods! That was Jesus’ way of poking fun at the romans. If that actually rendered to caesar what was his and to God what was His, then everything would go to God.
43, 44, A+
And finally, we had a poster here once, maybe he is still here. He was very open about his struggle with being gay and he made a very good point. The point was that he was attratced to other men, but his religious beliefs were that acting on that attraction was wrong. Whether or not someone is “born that way” or not, they make a choice. I chose not to have sex before marriage even though I was attracted to women and especially to my wife before we were married. It would have been a sin to act on those feelings. Same thing with gay people. I personally dont think God makes people gay…but even if they are born that way, its still a choice to act. Santorum is a Christian. He is running for POTUS. He isnt giving up one for the other.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Huckarubio
So what’s your proposal for gays then? Lifelong celibacy? That would suck. I really love being married.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
74 – I agree with everything you said, except why should government have anything to do with it at all?
There is a major contradiction between hard core social conservatives and mainstream fiscal conservatives/libertarians in the party. For a long time the branches were able to tolerate each other and compromise on an agenda.
Using the government to impose conservative social values on people that don’t share them is completely antithetical to libertarianism. The two ideas cannot co-exist. You cannot say you believe in limited government, and also say you want the government to impose conservative social values and use our military to spread democracy. Such an ideology is incoherent.
Bush wasn’t for limited government, and neither is Santorum. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but we need to stop fooling ourselves. Be honest about what our candidates actually stand for.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Thank you!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
I’m honestly stunned at how anti-gay this place is. I thought most of us were far more educated than that. Very sad.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
78 – I am surprised that you think beliefs about homosexuality have anything to do with education. It is about opinion and values and religious beliefs, not education.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
74 – Santorum can be whatever he wants in the religion department. I could give a rats’ hind end. But he better keep his nose out of my bedroom. And meddling with birth control, or making comments to that effect, is going to lose with the independents. And not only the independents, but most people on the right, and ALL people on the left!!! What Santorum is spouting is pure toxicity.
And his gay comments are just so offensive. . . . just really gross. . . . .
February 10th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Jax – a big dose of education goes a long way in understanding homosexuality.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
81 – Really … enlighten me.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
79 I would say there’s a huge correlation between beliefs about homosexuality and education inasmuch as the “education” is interaction with gay people.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:01 am
You want stats about how religiosity and education have a demonstrably inverse relationship?
Also, education is not just a classroom. It’s also exposure to other places, people, ways of life. Nothing will bring people to openness toward gays and reality more than just meeting them, treating them as equals. That’s education.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:26 am
You want stats that show how societies that have accepted homosexuality are always on the way down?
Do you think we are immune to the laws of nature, Booyeah? And that consequently, unlike every human society before us, America can do as it pleases, because America is the end of history? We had people not long ago saying that.
The argument that society should accept homosexual behavior and “rights” without regard to the broader consequences is a fools game as is the whole notion of liberalism which is a poison to any society it infects as it bit by bit erodes the structure of that same society. Look at what America has become – a land where Christianity has been resigned to a subculture and people’s lives driven by the perpetual chasing of material wealth. There’s no notion of what it means to be an American anymore, because our culture has been uprooted and people only left with the deeply unsatisfying pursuit of money. Booyeah, whether you know it or not, most people in their hearts do not like this world where anyone can be anything and do anything and that’s okay, and world without values or standards where every man will do as he will. The Greeks, the Hindus, the early Christians, they all wrote of our time. Your idea that everyone deserves rights to do as they wish because they are such nice people is a quaint little notion without the slightest sense of perspective – the laws of nature care little for what we feel, but rather for what we do, and a society that begins to unravel by unpinning the morals that center it will soon find itself askew of those laws. We will be swept away, as the God of nature cares so little for our foolish intentions to subvert His order.
Liberalism has always been concerned with feelings. Conservatism has always been concerned with consequences. Homosexual behavior is a perversion of the laws of nature that accepted en masse is a mark of a decaying society and helps bring about that decay by perverting the most basic bonds that bring humanity together.
The education to which you refer is not the understanding of the laws of nature and society, but rather indoctrination in a false notion that man deserves to be independent of them. I have been well taught in the former. I disregard the latter, ignore its teachers, and despite the preaching of it abroad that America undertakes.
Lastly, as to interaction with gay people I have known two, one of whom I worked with considerably in the past. Both of them are overall good guys. You can’t judge the character of a person based on one facet of their life alone, as that turns a blind eye to the positive attributes they possess. Both are human.
What I do agree with you on is that Santorum’s idea of the state morality police would not work, a culture cannot be changed by imposition.
February 11th, 2012 at 7:33 am
What MPC said.
February 11th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Max,
As a “Catholic,” how you can find Rick’s quote above regarding suffering as so bizarre and outlandish as to be the object of ridicule?
Never mind abortion and contraception for a moment, has the priest never discussed the mystery of suffering at any of the Easter masses you’ve attended?
Were you perhaps just not paying attention? Perhaps distracted in your hatred of those who believe God created the world?
February 11th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Do we all agree on those last two points made by Senator Santorum? SS needs to be reformed and Catholic Europe didn’t initiatie the first crusade…it was a response to Muslim conquest of the Christian Lands.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Whatever your beliefs about gay people – you can not dispute that Santorum’s COMMENTS are completely offensive to MOST of the voters in the General. Say what you want, but they are OFFENSIVE to most voters. So go ahead and put your boy Santorum up there, and watch these comments about gays, women in the military, birth control, etc etc etc ad nauseum, come back to haunt the GOP. And help put Barack back in office. It’s that simple boys and girls.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:44 am
I absolutely would love to see that
February 11th, 2012 at 10:48 am
The fact that social conservatives need to understand is that religious views are great until you start attempting to impose them on others. The reason that the courts are slamming gay marriages down is because the only possible witness anti-gay proponents could possibly call to the stand is God, and nobody seems to have his contact information.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Santorum didn’t say that. He defended the Crusades themselves, which is disgusting.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
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