January 23, 2012

Romney Hammers Gingrich Over Fannie & Freddie

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49 Responses to “Romney Hammers Gingrich Over Fannie & Freddie”

  1. Common Cents Says:

    That’s an incredibly hard-hitting ad, and all of it is fair game.

    The real estate market has devastated Florida, all the while Newt was a lobbyist and advocate for the very government agency that had a hand in creating the housing crash.

    Game On!

  2. Jaehos Says:

    Agreed, that is a very good ad.

  3. CF Says:

    Time for Romney to pull out all the stops and rain a deluge of attack ads on Newt in Florida. He needs to drown everything else out. I don’t care if he goes negative or stretches the truth at this point. It’s time to stomp the fat pig Socialist into the ground.

  4. Matthew Kilburn Says:

    Its a good ad.

    and if yesterday ends up being Newt’s best day (which I think is highly possible), Romney should feel pretty good.

  5. RayinRI Says:

    I just read that Mitt is on the attack this morning….This ad shows that they are ready to go on offense….About time! I think Newt (the paper tiger) just awoke a sleeping Giant….The crap is about to hit the fan. Mitt at a rally today told a protester to “Take a Hike”…No more Mr.Nice Guy :)

    http://news.yahoo.com/fresh-off-south-carolina-loss-romney-lets-loose-011650695–abc-news.html

  6. Smack1968 Says:

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2011/11/16/evidence-suggests-gingrich-was-right-freddie-mac-refused-his-advice/

    There is evidence that Freddie Mac refused the advice of Newt Gingrich.

    Which, BTW, happens to Consultants all the time.

    Newt Gingrich has agree to release his Consultant contract with Freddie Mac.

    Mitt is attacking capitalism, using weapons of the left because he is behind in Florida.

  7. RayinRI Says:

    #6 Smack
    “Mitt is attacking capitalism, using weapons of the left because he is behind in Florida.”

    Hardly, but “nice try”

  8. teledude Says:

    It is another stretching of the truth by team Mitt. I wonder how many Pinocchio’s this won will garner?

    This will backfire.

    Newt had nothing to do with the housing crisis.

    All Newt’s “ethics” charges were politically motivated and brought by democrats…and he was exonerated of every charge.

    So why is Mitt using the weapons of the left to attack another Republican?

    Because he is desperate

  9. K.G. Says:

    But remember this: In any relationship, the craziest person always wins.

    In this week’s debates Romney, Santorum and Paul need to be the Gang of Three and kill Newt’s candidacy now. Santorum really tried last week but nobody paid much attention. They thought he did well, but the narrative that Newt is nuts is not penetrating the public conscious.

  10. ccr Says:

    Mitt and Team……….HAVE GOT to “slap down” Newt in FL with THE TRUTH on Newt. No more Mr. Nice Guy, Mitt! We wished you didn’t have to do this, but we’ll be watching in the debate tonight!

    We NEED to see FIGHT in you over Newt!

    Let us hear you AREN’T a politician like Newt. Let us HEAR that you are a BUSINESSMAN who has turned AROUND LOTS of things, you AREN’T a political talk show guest saying grandiose things OR a politician STILL peddling DC influence!

    This election is about the SOUL of America. You can’t vote for a man who’s soul has been ALL OVER the map and expect to save America’s soul! You can’t vote for a man who repeats the lie of him being conservative while promoting Cap and Trade, lobbying for the gov’t institution that was at the core of the housing, attacks free enterprise………..AND THEN expect to save the SOUL of AMERICA.

    Mitt…….I want you to be my POTUS. But it’s gonna take some tough FIGHT from you in FL!!

    I hope you can pull this outta your polite, disciplined CORE for this election!!

  11. NoMoreModerates Says:

    Newt will have to respond to this tonight, but Romney is going to have to actually offer something more than just an attack.

    In an appearance before a Nevada editorial board, Romney said it was best to just let market forces work. I actually agree, but is he prepared to say that in Florida?

  12. CF Says:

    8

    More than anyone else, Newt Gingrich is responsible for the housing crisis and, by extension, the economic mess we’re in today. He knowingly kept the United States government in the dark in order to line his pockets. Newt knew that he was going to collapse the country’s economy, yet he did it anyway because he wanted to bring this country down.

  13. K.G. Says:

    No, there is no need to stretch the truth. Stick to the truth; it’s damning enough. Do not overplay your hand. Newt is crazy and corrupt. People who know him know it. No need for Pinocchios.

    Relentlessly pound Newt with the truth. If the voters refuse to pay attention, oh well.

    However, I still want to see the flyer of Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice with Bill Clinton, Monica, Newt and young intern Callista’s heads Photoshopped.

    One of the best ways to take Newt down is through scathing satire–and he’s such a satire-rich environment.

  14. gatorboy Says:

    8 – All Newt’s “ethics” charges were politically motivated and brought by democrats…

    haha… sure… Gingrich was reprimanded and penalized $300,000 by a 395–28 House vote

    Never the crime, its ALWAYS the cover up

  15. gatorboy Says:

    11. I actually agree, but is he prepared to say that in Florida?

    Yes, and he did in this mornings roundtable event

  16. RayinRI Says:

    #8 Teledude,

    Your missing the point completely, Mitt is going to paint Newt as a lobbyist for the last 15 years, that will gain a lot of traction, watch! The “ethics” charges will be icing on the cake. Please explain why Newt paid a record $300K violation fine?? You think he just paid it because he was innocent? Large some of money to pay when your “innocent”

  17. CF Says:

    14

    It was Newt who was lobbying for F&F. Newt Gingrich is responsible, NOT the Democrats.

  18. Ozzy Says:

    8,

    You do realize Newt was kicked out of his Speakership by his own conservative republicans in the house, right?

  19. ccr Says:

    People are naive…..or willfully ignorant…….to think Newt had NO responsibility for the housing crisis after taking $1.6 Mill while Pres. Bush and Greenspan went to Congress to get REGULATIONS on the craziness from Fred and Fan.

    Newt DID lobby…………and at the very least, was paid to keep his mouth shut.

    He is an accomplice.

  20. Smack1968 Says:

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2011/11/16/evidence-suggests-gingrich-was-right-freddie-mac-refused-his-advice/

    Newt did no Lobby work for F&F.

    F&F said Newt did no Lobby work for them.

    Did you all know that Mitt invested in F&F?

    heheheheheeehheeeeee

  21. NoMoreModerates Says:

    First, the contract was for $1.6 million over a number of years and was with the firm, not Newt personally. Thus, the amount Newt received was substantially less. In fact it was less than Romney received in speaking fees last year which he called “not much.”

  22. Sir David Says:

    Take it to him, Mitt!

    The more I hear from Newt, the more I am reminded of Bill Clinton. They both are so smooth with words and so quick on their feet. Lying for years makes you a good liar. It takes more work to lie. It takes more cunning.

    I’m sorry, but Freddie does not pay 1.6M for Historians. That is so laughable.

    I hope the GOP that knows Newt steps up and calls him out for years of corrupt conservatism.

    Newt is in it for himself.

  23. teledude Says:

    16. I can explain it Ryan.

    Newt was originally found “guilty” of one of the 44 politically motivated ethics charges. It involved the tax exempt status of a college course he was teaching while he was Speaker.

    He was not fined but agreed to pay for the cost of the investigation, which was $300,000.

    After he paid the money and was out of office, the IRS reviewed this college course and determined that Gingrich was correct, it did qualify for tax exemption. By then he was out of politics and didn’t pursue it.

    So he actually ended up exonerated of all charges.

    The quislings in the GOP voted with the democrats out of fear they may be next. And since speaker Gingrich was driven from office the GOP in congress has reverted to it’s previous lap-dog status and that is one of the main reasons we are facing such serious financial troubles today.

    Hence the creation of the Tea Party and the anger in the conservative base, who only want this county to get back to fiscally responsible governance.

    This idea is derided and ridiculed by liberals and establishment moderates (including may on this site) but we still have a voice. Florida will demonstrate just how much of one.

  24. CF Says:

    20

    Yes he did. Newt is far dirtier than Obama when it comes to the cause of America’s housing crisis. Newt Gingrich is a Socialist who will stop at nothing to see America crumble.

  25. Max Twain Says:

    This underscores the difference between citizen politicians, like Romney and his father, who drew no salary from their government jobs and made no money from K Street, and career politicians like Gingrich, who came to Congress a broke academic who sought to enrich himself.

    There is a serious problem when these politicians come to congress and use their influence to become millionaires. It is at the heart of the corruption in the system and Gingrich was king of that corruption.

    Gingrich simply sells out to the highest bidder; he sells himself to Big Pharma for Medicare Part D, he sells himself to Al Gore for climate regulations, he sells himself to Fannie and Freddie so they can learn how to maximize their leverage.

    The man is in business for himself at the expense of the very people who now ignorantly follow him.

  26. Sir David Says:

    Smack,

    Who cares if FF refused advice? Where did Newt’s consulting fees come from? The answer is the taxpayers.

    FF didn’t take my advice either, but why wasn’t I able to cash in on that fact? Answer: I’m not a Washington insider.

    Newt: made money as a Washington insider. Period.

  27. CF Says:

    23

    That’s false. Newt Gingrich was forced out of Congress because of ethics violations. He was found guilty on all 44 charges.

  28. Jerald Says:

    Hey, “King of Bain Newt”, get ready to deal with one very pissed Romney…

  29. teledude Says:

    Remember when Romney said his biggest regret was attacking fellow Republicans?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k45MkKFc_0&feature=youtu.be

    yeah. That was four days ago.

    #FLIPFLOPPER

  30. teledude Says:

    27. CF you will need to back that up.

    shouldn’t be hard to provide a link.

    Let’s see it.

  31. Jerald Says:

    SMACK, LOL, and just want kind of consulting advice is Newt qualified to give?

    Tax accounting?
    Business management?
    Legal?
    Human resources?

    American History 101 (Damn college tuition just keeps going up!! $1.6 million big ones…)

    Or…

    How to get what you want out of congress?

  32. Not Your Promiscuous Daddy Says:

    Great ad, we need more like them. Please Paul and Santorum, pile on Nut(e). Let the race going forward be between the three honorable, decent men, and get rid of the trash.

  33. NoMoreModerates Says:

    I think Romney and others with offshore bank accounts have more to answer for related to the banking/housing crisis.

    There are trillions of dollars in offshore accounts that could help stabilize the economy if deposited in American banks. TARP was necessary to provide banks with liquidity that could have been provided by private entities if those offshore monies had been moved back to the US. In my view, it is unpatriotic to park money overseas when clearly the US needs the liquidity.

  34. CF Says:

    30

    Ok, easy:

    Newt Gingrich (R-GA), the Speaker of the House, was accused of financial improprieties leading to House reprimand and $300,000 in sanctions [128] leading to his resignation (1997)[129]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States

    Now quit lying about Newt. He was forced out because of 44 ethics violations which he was found GUILTY of. End of story.

  35. CF Says:

    33

    Did you even know that Newt Gingrich has far more money off-shore than Romney does?

  36. CF Says:

    1. Multiple Marriages) One of the biggest issues with Newt Gingrich is that he has married three times. In the past, this may not have mattered but right wing voters, especially the religious ones, may have a problem with this. This will hurt Newt Gingrich and if the religious right backs him it will be a huge show of hypocrisy. But if you think Newt’s multiple marriages is a reason not to vote for him, you should read why he’s been married multiple times in the first place.

    2. Infidelity) Newt Gingrich is trying to paint himself as a family values candidate, but that’s just not going to fly. He’s been married three times and he cheated on the first two. While his first wife was being treated for cancer, Newt served her the divorce papers while she was in the hospital recovering from surgery. Apparently he left her because “She isn’t young enough or pretty enough to be the President’s wife.” Then he carried on an affair even while attempting to impeach President Bill Clinton for his own affair. If that’s not hypocrisy, I don’t know what it. He then left wife number two for the younger woman he was having the affair with.

    3. Deadbeat Dad) Newt has at least one thing in common with Joe Walsh. They’re both deadbeat dads. It took a court of law to force Gingrich to pay utility bills to keep the electricity running for his kids. That should kill his chances with anyone who values family and children.

    4. Health Care Mandate Hypocrisy) Did you know Newt Gingrich supported a health care mandate similar to the one signed into law by President Obama? Well, you know now. Newt has always been a fan of health care mandates, so it was perplexing to hear him condemn the mandate when Democrats passed one.

    5. Government Shutdown) Newt Gingrich is also a big fan of government shutdowns. When Republicans captured the House in the 1990s, Newt and the GOP decided to put the country at risk and actually shut the government down in an attempt to hurt Bill Clinton. So, let’s say Newt becomes President and Democrats control Congress. What stops Gingrich from shutting government down by refusing to sign critical budgets? The answer: nothing. And with the current economic state, Newt is a gamble we can’t afford.

    6. Freddie Mac Payouts) For three years, Gingrich has blamed Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae for the economic meltdown in 2008. He has also called for putting Chris Dodd and Barney Frank in prison for being affiliated with them. Well, it turns out Newt was a highly paid strategic advisor for Freddie Mac during the years of the housing bubble. Gingrich reportedly made $1.6 million during that time.

    7. Confederate Sympathizer and Racist) Gingrich has a fascination with the Confederacy and has fantasized about the South winning the Civil War. He even wrote a book in which the South wins Gettysburg. He’s also a racist. Throughout President Obama’s first term, Gingrich has used code to disguise racist remarks. He has continually referred to President Obama as a Kenyan, and the “food stamp President.” It’s not very Presidential at all.

    8. Draft Dodger) Gingrich supports further war in the Middle East, especially with Iran, and has criticized how President Obama has waged the war against terrorism, despite the fact that under the Obama administration, several high level terrorists including Osama Bin Laden have been killed. But, you should definitely think twice about voting for Newt because he has never served a day in the military. During Vietnam, Gingrich avoided the draft by getting a graduate school deferment even though he supported the war. That’s right, apparently the chicken hawk considered himself too smart to die for his country.

    9. Fiscal Irresponsibility) It’s funny how Newt considers himself a fiscally responsible conservative, especially when he has a personal spending problem. During his tenure in the House, Gingrich was involved in a banking scandal while in office in which he bounced 22 checks including a $9,000 check to the IRS. And let’s not forget that Tiffany’s bill.

    10. ‘Contract On America’) Gingrich was the main architect of the Contract With America, which Bill Clinton dubbed the ‘Contract On America.’ The contract includes many of the current schemes Republicans support now including a balanced budget amendment which would basically force America to live under conservative rule, lower taxes on corporations, perhaps as low as an anemic 12%, and the slow death of Medicare and Social Security. Gingrich would bring all of that with him to the White House and would likely throw the full weight of the Oval Office behind each measure along with abortion bans, laws against homosexuality, increased oil drilling, and increasing the outsourcing of jobs.

    11. Big Ego And Arrogance) Most Americans want a humble man to be their President. Newt Gingrich doesn’t have a humble bone in his body. Throughout his career, he has had a giant ego and a whole lot of arrogance. Gingrich once whined about not being allowed to exit Air Force One from the same door as President Clinton. Gingrich had to exit from the rear of the plane, which is where everyone but the President, his family, and foreign leaders exit from. Gingrich, in his arrogance, believed himself privileged enough to warrant the Presidential exit. Gingrich is also egotistical when describing himself.

    “I have enormous personal ambition. I want to shift the entire planet. And I’m doing it. I am now a famous person. I represent real power.”~Newt Gingrich

    “Gingrich – Primary mission, Advocate of civilization, Definer of civilization, Teacher of the rules of civilization, Leader of the civilizing forces.”~Newt Gingrich on Newt Gingrich.

    Newt Gingrich has A LOT of baggage that every American should be aware of. Even ‘family values’ and ‘fiscal’ conservatives should take note because of Gingrich’s propensity for chasing younger women and his personal failure to get his own financial house in order. There are plenty of reasons why Gingrich is unfit to lead and now you know at least eleven of them.

  37. Jerald Says:

    CF…Newt was just one of the cogs in that wheel, not anywhere near the main driving force.

    But since his is claiming to be a conservative as pure as the freshly driven snow, then he needs to get his laundary hung out in public.

    Not to mention he deserves to get an enema to boot for his King of Bain and tax return crap…

  38. Smack1968 Says:

    CF,

    HOLYSMOKE!

    Newt had 84 ethic charges against him….83 were thrown out………Newt paid $300,000 on the other one. The IRS investigated the charge in which Newt paid $300,000 and found Newt did nothing wrong.

    Desperation has sunk in….hasn’t it?

  39. Max Twain Says:

    Newt resigned from Congress because the conservatives in the House were going to elect a new Speaker. He did not have the votes to remain in power and would have suffered a historic rebuke if he didn’t step aside.

    Yet today, Tea Party people who claim to be conservatives are ignoring the sage advice of the true conservatives, like Tom Coburn, who worked very hard to rid our party of this Newt disaster over a decade ago.

    In many ways, it is the most self-defeating act any political movement has ever committed. Were Gingrich to be the nominee and suffer the humiliating loss all normal people see coming, the Tea Party movement will have destroyed itself, and for what? To back a 30-year Washington insider and lobbyist? Seems like an odd hill to choose to die on.

    At least the Goldwater conservatives could truthfully claim they backed an honorable, respectable movement leader of conviction. Gingrich falls far short on all of those qualities.

  40. teledude Says:

    34. Congratulations CF, you are as honest as Milquetoast Moderate Mitt.

    I suggest a remedial reading course, you have proved nothing but appear to illiterate to comprehend that.

  41. Teemu Says:

    20:
    Washington Examiner is pretty much in same class with National Review and Weekly Standard, so recommend this article instead of that random scrub blog post:
    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/heres-newts-deliverable-fannie-freddie/230641

  42. CF Says:

    Since Mitt Romney and Ron Paul actually are the only candidates that have had serious national campaigns planned and organized from the very beginning, they will be the only 2 candidates that can effectively even compete for the actual nomination as they both have full ballot access for opportunities to collect delegates. While it was preferred that Newt and Santorum just be honest with the American people and get out of the race at this point which is exactly what the Paul campaign had urged them to do as both of them can not even compete for delegates to the tune of 564 which are in states that they absolutely are not on the ballot and can not get on the ballot at this point.

    If Newt or Santorum really had integrity, they would be the ones explaining this situation to the voters and preferrably just drop out as Huntsman and Perry did recently. To do anything else, when they can’t even compete for 564 delegates shows their failure to plan should be looked at as either a lack of organizational ability or lack of real leadership ability. The bottomline here is that they both did not have sufficient real support or organizational ability to even accomplish the minimum things necessary to lodge an honest campaign for the Republican nomination which is being able to achieve ballot access in enough states to actually win it.

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-washington-dc/while-newt-wins-south-carolina-paul-campaign-celebrates

  43. CF Says:

    38

    False, NONE of the 84 were thrown out. Newt Gingrich was thrown out because of it.

  44. Jerald Says:

    33.NoMoreModerates Says:
    January 23rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
    I think Romney and others with offshore bank accounts have more to answer for related to the banking/housing crisis.

    There are trillions of dollars in offshore accounts that could help stabilize the economy if deposited in American banks. TARP was necessary to provide banks with liquidity that could have been provided by private entities if those offshore monies had been moved back to the US. In my view, it is unpatriotic to park money overseas when clearly the US needs the liquidity.

    Then maybe they should make the US business friendly like it used to be so that the world would park it’s money with us.

    But don’t worry, Newt will try to spend it putting mirrors on the moon…

  45. The TRUTH Says:

    40Tele

    Does that make you as moral as your Newtered candidate?

  46. Jerald Says:

    CF, “accused” and “convicted” mean two different things.

    Going after Newt with bad info is not honest or smart.

    Remember, he’s a slimmy one and will use any chance like that to get a pass for his REAL baggage…

  47. Jerald Says:

    Newt pimping Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae in his own words. Spin this Telly…

    It’s not news that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was paid $1.6 million by Freddie Mac over a period of eight years spanning much of the immediate past decade.

    Nor is it news that Gingrich has denied the contention of critics that he was therefore a paid lobbyist for one of the two Government-Sponsored Entities (GSE) that sparked the housing bubble (Fannie mae being the other).

    Gingrich has said he simply provided strategic advice. That advice was aimed at persuading conservatives to back off of their then-mounting criticism of Fannie and Freddie due to fears that easy-lending policies aimed at increasing the number of home loans made to poorly qualified buyers would, sooner or late, cost taxpayers billions, thanks to the implicit guarantee of federal backing.

    It turned out to be sooner because it was only a few years after Gingrich signed up as a Freddie Mac advisor when the Great Recession of 2008 nearly brought down the U.S. economy. It was precipated in great part by the housing bubble encouraged by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

    In the wake of that bubble bursting, the federal government took over Freddie and Fannie in an attempt to bail them out. Their bailouts have thus far cost taxpayers an estimated $130 billion, according to the Office of Management and Budget. The Congressional Budget Office pegs the cost roughly double that, $317 billion.

    Whatever the ultimate cost proves to be, there appears to be no end in sight to how long into the future taxpayers will remain on the hook for two organizations that Gingrich recomended as models for accomplishing worthwhile “public purposes.”

    Verum Serum’s Morgen Richmond spent some time on the Wayback Machine and found a 2007 FAQ on the Freddie web site that contains the transcript of an interview in which, according to the site, Gingrich “explains the unique role of the government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) model.”

    Here’s a passage from a document that every conservative who is thinking about backing the former House Speaker for president should read very closely:

    “Some activities of government – trash collection is a good example – can be efficiently contracted out to the private sector. Other functions – the military, police and fire protection – obviously must remain within government.

    “And then there are areas in which a public purpose would be best achieved by using market-based models. I think GSEs provide one of those models. I like the GSE model because it provides a more efficient, market-based alternative to taxpayer-funded government programs. It marries private enterprise to a public purpose.

    “We obviously don’t want to use GSEs for everything, but there are times when private enterprise alone is not sufficient to achieve a public purpose. I think private enterprise alone is not going to be able to help the Gulf region recover from the hurricanes, and government will not get the job done in a very effective or efficient manner.

    “We should be looking seriously at creating a GSE to help redevelop this region. We should be looking at whether and how the GSE model could help us address the problem of financing health care. I think a GSE for space exploration ought to be seriously considered – I’m convinced that if NASA were a GSE, we probably would be on Mars today.

    “Certainly there is a lot of debate today about the housing GSEs, but I think it is telling that there is strong bipartisan support for maintaining the GSE model in housing. There is not much support for the idea of removing the GSE charters from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. And I think it’s clear why. The housing GSEs have made an important contribution to homeownership and the housing finance system.

    “We have a much more liquid and stable housing finance system than we would have without the GSEs. And making homeownership more accessible and affordable is a policy goal I believe conservatives should embrace.

    “Millions of people have entered the middle class through building wealth in their homes, and there is a lot of evidence that homeownership contributes to stable families and communities. These are results I think conservatives should embrace and want to extend as widely as possible.

    “So while we need to improve the regulation of the GSEs, I would be very cautious about fundamentally changing their role or the model itself.”

    The obvious question here is why Gingrich thought Freddie Mac provided the “more liquid and stable housing finance system” when it was clear even then that, contrary to people like Rep. Barney Frank, D-MA, Freddie and Fannie desperately needed reforms that would lessen their role in the mortgate market, not expand it.

    Indeed, based on the timing, it appears Gingrich said the words above at least partially with aiding Freddie and Fannie turn back the Bush administration’s proposed reforms.

    This latest revelation is likely to fuel more discussion among GOP voters and conservative activists about Gingrich as a potential Republican presidential nominee. The Washington Examiner editorial on Wednesday provides additional details.

    Go here to read the entire document uncovered by Verum Serum.

  48. Sean Says:

    Mitt’s been in the drivers seat before when it has come to facing fiscal woes and he turned it around. So Mitt not Newt should be your guy.

  49. Dan Says:

    Perhaps review of contemporaneous reporting regarding the Gingrich ethics investigation would be helpful. This article reminds us of a few facts. 1. Gingrich pled guilty to ethics violations. 2. Gingrich provided false information to the investigating panel. 3. The $300,000 paid by Gingrich was not characterized as mere reimbursement as Gingrich now claims. It was imposed as a penalty for violations to which Gingrich pled guilty. I am sure there are more contemporaneous reports available online. Perhaps both the pro-gingrich and the anti-gingrich forces here can provide some more.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/leadership/stories/012297.htm

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