The race in South Carolina is over and first off, congratulations to Speaker Newt Gingrich on his win. Now, with a different winner in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina it’s up to Florida to break the tie. So, as a courtesy to folks outside of the state, here’s a little preview of the Sunshine State.
First off, there are actually three states in Florida: North Florida, Central Florida and South Florida. Understanding that is very important to understanding Florida. Voters in Pensacola have little in common with voters in Key West or Miami. It’s also big as in really, really big. It takes 10 hours to drive from one tip of Florida to the other. There are 67 counties in this state and 8 media markets, making it a very expensive state to play in. In 2010, our current Governor, Rick Scott spent $70 million on his way to the Governor’s Mansion.
Of the three sections, North Florida is more like South Carolina than any other area of the state. The joke in Florida is that the further north you go in the state, the more like the South it is. Pensacola in the western Panhandle is a very military-oriented area; Escambia County went for John McCain by 9 points over Mitt Romney. Tallahassee is a Democratic stronghold, but 25,000 Republicans voted in Leon County last time around and they went for John McCain by 11 points. Northeastern Florida, centered around Jacksonville was Mitt Romney’s best area overall in 2008. He crushed the rest of the field in Duval County winning 41-27 over John McCain and swept 9 counties in the area. The rest of North Florida is predominantly rural and religiously conservative. Mike Huckabee won 4 counties in Florida, all of them were in the Panhandle.
Heading south you come upon the most important part of Florida; the I-4 Corridor of Tampa to Orlando to Daytona Beach. Roughly 40% of Florida voters reside in this area. Mitt Romney won 4 counties in this area back in 2008. The main prizes are Tampa-St. Petersburg, which are Pinellas and Hillsborough counties. This was Charlie Crist’s political base while he was in politics, so it’s more moderate than other areas of the state. Orange County, which is anchored in Orlando, was very close in 2008; McCain got 32.29% and Romney got 31.89%. The coastal counties of Volusia and Brevard had averages that were very close to the statewide results.
The final section of the state, South Florida, is actually 2 distinct areas; Southeast and Southwest Florida. Southeast Florida is the Miami-Dade, Ft. Lauderdale area. This is where the Cuban vote is so critical. Rudy Giuliani, who assiduously courted the Cuban vote, got some of his best totals in all of Florida down there (he came in 2nd in Miami-Dade). Southwest Florida is a Republican stronghold, especially in Naples, where Governor Scott’s powerbase is. Collier County (Naples), was Romney’s single best county in 2008; he got 44% of the vote here, winning it by almost 20 points.
As has been noted, over 400,000 absentee ballots have already been mailed out to Florida voters and over 100,000 have already been turned in. Early voting starts this week and the polls will close in most of the state at 7:00 pm EST on January 31st. However, as the rest of the country found out in 2000, there are several counties (including Escambia County/Pensacola) that are in Central Standard Time. They will close their polls at 8:00 pm EST.
Just going by county of course doesn’t give a full picture. There are a lot of different groups in this state too; Catholics are much more prominent in Florida than in almost every other Southern state (both white and Cuban Catholics), Cubans who are very different than other Hispanic subgroups, Midwest transplants in Central Florida and Northeastern transplants in South Florida, rural evangelical North Floridian crackers. And of course, senior citizens, the most important and politically active citizens in the state.
As you can see, Florida’s a big, complicated, and frankly hard state to run in. Any candidate that can put together a coalition to win rural North Florida, suburban Central Florida, diverse South Florida and everything in between is to be commended. It’s going to be a wild ride over the next 10 days but here’s just the lay of the land down here in the Sunshine State
January 21st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Well you are very knowledgeable. Normally it wouldn’t bother me to have an egotistical womanizer in the White House again, but if there is a Romney-type in the running, it would pain me to get that type of a downgrade! THe race is interesting once again.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Mitt tied in Iowa
Mitt won NH decisively
Mitt took second in SC
Newt took fourth in Iowa
Newt took fifth in NH
Newt won SC
Santo squeezed out a win in Iowa
Samto took fourth in NH
He took third in SC
Mitts the only one to score in the top two in each State
The others have only scored in the top two in one State.
Mitt still has highest National numbers.
Mitt’s still the frontrunner.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
I think the race could be much influenced by surrogates, especially in Romney’s case.
Questions:
Will McCain be effective in holding together the areas he won last election for Romney?
Will Chris Christie be able to speak effectively to Northeastern transplants?
Will there be a rush of new establishment endorsers that will be useful in FL?
January 21st, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Mitt has the most delegates, and the last polls showed him with a significant lead in Florida. He has the best organization there, the most absentee ballots so far received, and the most money to spend.
More significantly, the state is very winnable. McCain, Giuliani, and Mitt, between them, got 50% of the votes in SC last time….and they received 80% of the vote in Florida.
This year there is no McCain or Giuliani…..but there is Romney.
Mitt will win.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:28 pm
The Republican Party may be able to ignore how corrupt Newt Gingrich is but I can’t.
Voting for Gingrich would be hypocritical for anyone who calls themself a conservative, or concerned with family values or Capititalism.
Newt Gingrich is the opposite of what the Republican Party stands for!!!! The exact opposite!!!!
How could anyone who says they are conservative vote for him?
The whole Republican party is a lie. If Newt Gingrich gets any support the Party is a lie. I am so disillusioned.
I won’t be in any group that promotes such a man as Newt Gingrich!
January 21st, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Dave, there is NO air-tight defense of Romney in FL at this point. The situation is highly “fluid.”
That being said, and as an immovable Romney supporter, I’d rather have his advantages going into FL than Newt’s. I’d rate his chance of winning at 2-1. He’s probably got a 30-40,000 absentee vote margin already banked. He’s got the best organization in the state as of now. He’s got access to influential surrogates to carry his message. He’s got $20 million in the bank, plus SuperPAC money. Santorum has committed to staying in the race.
But the campaign for FL begins tomorrow AM on FOX News Sunday w/ Chris Wallace. Mitt needs to get aggressive and go on offense. He needs to establish himself not just as adult but as the alpha male. He needs to put his taxes behind him by putting up at least signature pages for several years and then pivot by painting Newt’s call for them as nothing more than class warfare, which he can back up with his attacks on Bain. He needs to also paint Newt as having been far less than honest with America when he begged us to believe that Fannie/Freddie paid him $1.6 million as an historian, and that Healthcare companies weren’t paying him to lobby. He should continue to press for his F/F work product and for full disclosure of his ethics violations.
In short, he must do to Newt what Newt has been doing to him; undercut his argument of electability.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
It sickens me that Newt Gingrich could beat Mitt anywhere.
It sickens me that I am in the same Party with people who could vote for Newt Gingrich.
He is a sick, evil man.
Obama is better. I would vote for Obama.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
could this thing even go till after the morning after super Tuesday?
January 21st, 2012 at 9:41 pm
I do agree newt is an off balanced board line bipolar person who has no person being an executive let alone in the white house…send him to an ad agency
January 21st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Big question: Since FNS is recorded, and since Romney had internal polls showing he would lose big in all likelihood (therefore the lowering of expectations in the past couple of days), Had they already made the decision to on the offensive before the taping?
January 21st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
could this thing even go till after the morning after super Tuesday? and what happens if it does go even past super Tuesday march 6th?
January 21st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
greg, the delegate math makes it impossible for any candidate to have 1,144 delegates by 3/7. But, if a candidate had a substantial lead in delegates on the polls, the remaining candidate would be raising very little money and have little to combat the prevailing narrative that he was losing.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
do we really want Obama sitting there there waiting for a long GOP primary result that’s what i worry about?
January 21st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
“could this thing even go till after the morning after super Tuesday? and what happens if it does go even past super Tuesday march 6th?”
Well, assuming Romney wins in Florida, and goes on to sweep the Caucus states in early and mid feb (with Paul second in at least a couple), and that he goes into Super Tuesday and wins OH, I would see two possible scenarios:
1) Gingrich drops out the week of, but not the night of, Super Tuesday, possibly swallowing his pride enough to make it a joint appearance with Romney
2) Gingrich continues, and wins a couple more southern states, and then is finally forced to concede if he loses in Illinois.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Astute observations, Jonathan. Indeed, I still recall the commentary of the media on Election Night 2000, as Gore’s lead in the state began to evaporate and as the media realized that they had called the state too early due to their ignorance regarding the fact that the panhandle wasn’t entirely in the eastern time zone. As the results from the panhandle came in, one journalist put it this way: “Florida’s about to go South!” The irony being that Northern Florida was the “Southern” part of the state culturally.
Anyway, I have a hard time seeing how this race ends before Super Tuesday. Even if Mitt wins Florida, Newt will have enough mo’ coming out of SC to keep it close, and will likely stick around for awhile. He may even lead in the national polls going forward. If Newt wins Florida, we’re looking at a real problem for Mitt Romney.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Look for Newt to lead the polls in Florida by the end of the week.
Everything changed tonight.
Romney’s biggest asset was his electability…that is now gone.
He lost Iowa and South Carolina in the same week, pretty bad for a guy so “electable.”
The debates have proven to be very important this cycle. Romney supporters want to diminish their importance because of their candidates stiff and stammering performances, but they are huge, and why Newt is so strong.
January 21st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
DOn’t get me wrong Iam okk with letting the process play out BUT do we really want Obama sitting there there waiting for a long GOP primary result that’s what i worry about?
January 21st, 2012 at 10:02 pm
“DOn’t get me wrong Iam okk with letting the process play out BUT do we really want Obama sitting there there waiting for a long GOP primary result that’s what i worry about?”
Well the answer I keep giving is “no”. Because I agree, every day spent infighting is a day not spent running a clear, united, coherent alternative to Obama. And every dollar spent on ads for the primary is a dollar not spent on ads for the general.
But, like DaveG said, and as I’ve BEEN SAYING, this race really can’t end before March now.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:03 pm
DOn’t get me wrong Iam ok with letting the process play out BUT do we really want Obama sitting there there waiting for a long GOP primary result that’s what i worry about?
January 21st, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Look for Newt to lead the polls in Florida by the end of the week.
“Everything changed tonight.
Romney’s biggest asset was his electability…that is now gone.
He lost Iowa and South Carolina in the same week, pretty bad for a guy so “electable.”
The debates have proven to be very important this cycle. Romney supporters want to diminish their importance because of their candidates stiff and stammering performances, but they are huge, and why Newt is so strong.”
Romney: 1-1-1 in 3 contests(Tie for first,1st,2nd)
Gingrich: 1-2 in 3 contests(4th,5th,1st)
You tell me who is stronger?
January 21st, 2012 at 10:10 pm
I will not be a part of any group led by Newt Gingrich. He is mentally unstable and corrupt to his core!
I can’t believe that keeping a Mormon out of the Whitehouse is important enought to support such a man.
What is wrong with people?
Newt Gingrich is the oppposite of what it used to mean to be a Republican!!!!
What is wrong with people?
Are you so jealous that you would throw away everything just to get back at Romney’s success?
What is wrong with people?
January 21st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
“Romney’s biggest asset was his electability…that is now gone.
He lost Iowa and South Carolina in the same week, pretty bad for a guy so ‘electable.’”
This. AND Romney’s inability to give a straight answer on his finances and the release of his tax returns has damaged his corporate experience asset.
Gingrich has exposed him as a paper pussycat.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I will vote for a good Christian like Obama before I would ever support someone with a track record of corruption in all parts of his life like Gingrich.
Obama is better for this country than Newt Gingrich.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:14 pm
15.DaveG Says:
January 21st, 2012 at 9:52 pm
“If Newt wins Florida, we’re looking at a real problem for Mitt Romney.”
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You’re not kidding. It’s basically over.
Btw:
Among Women Tonight
Newt 38%
Willard 29%
And have you seen the color coded SC map by county yet? Beautiful/Almost SOLID red for Newt.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
“And have you seen the color coded SC map by county yet? Beautiful/Almost SOLID red for Newt.”
Fox was using a puke-green color. Very appropriate when you consider the man beyond his big talk against debate moderators.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Petunia Says:
January 21st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
“I will vote for a good Christian like Obama”
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Rev Wright thanks you and says “hallelujah front row pew for you!”
January 21st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
“If Newt wins Florida, we’re looking at a real problem for Mitt Romney.”
Same could be said if Mitt wins Florida Gingrich is looking at a real problem. The states after Florida are going to favor Mitt and Ron Paul moreso than they will Newt or Santorum.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:18 pm
9 Are you saying Gingrich is bipolar because he “Lacks values, easily bored, often changes course?”
That’s not bipolar – it’s narcissistic.
Check this out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Impact_of_healthy_vs._destructive_narcissism_on_organizations
January 21st, 2012 at 10:19 pm
20. Newt is stronger.
You can throw Iowa out, that was a fluke. Santorum was a place holder for the not Romney vote because Newt had been so slandered by the deluge of sh*t Mitt dropped on him in Iowa. The evangelicals were spooked off Newt at the last minute and turned to Santorum. Rick had previously not been in double digits and he had no surge, no momentum at all. It was a fluke.
Mitt won NH, his adopted home state that always tends to vote for the moderate in the trace, so that was expected.
Leaving NH with a huge victory, Mitt had the momentum and a huge advantage in money and endorsements (that we hear about daily on this site)
He had the Governor of the state out stumping with him and super star surrogates like Chris Christie…and he still got BLOWN OUT…by an over weight old man who had trailed him by 25 points just a week earlier.
Now Newt has this momentum, it was only a couple months ago he led Mitt in Florida by double digits…much of that support will come back to him.
Mitt is in real trouble as evidenced by Jeb refusing now to endorse him (he may be called to step in if the establishment freaks out when Mitt loses Florida)
I don’t think the Rombots comprehend just how damaging today was to Mitt.
Look for Mitt to be a stammering nervous wreck in the debate Monday night.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:19 pm
20.
Sean,
The National and Florida polls after Monday’s debate will SOON tell us, my Rombot friend.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:21 pm
By far Mitt’s biggest mistake was the tax issue, that is what shattered his electability argument. He looked weak and that he was hiding something sinister. Mitt needs to put his taxes out tomorrow morning, take his lumps for being wealthy, and use his warchest to decimate Newt with a scorched earth campaign in Florida.
If Mitt loses FL to newt, Newt will almost certainly be our nominee (and lose an epic landslide that takes the Congress down with him)
January 21st, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Telly, Craig, and the rest of the Tea Party fools have just chosen a candidate who is currently less popular than Dick Cheney.
Cheney’s last approval number: 36%
Gingrich’s current approval number: 27%
Move over Barry Goldwater, here comes the biggest landslide, evahhh.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Did anyone else find it ironic that so many Rombots said on the SC thread they’d vote for Obama over Newt if Newt wins the nomination? I guess we shouldn’t find that shocking since both Romney & Obama do best among the wealthy college educated groups. Maybe us poor uneducated aren’t as stupid as some think we are. I might be swayed to vote 3rd Party but I sure wouldn’t vote Obama!
January 21st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
29,
Telly,
Isn’t Willard also sitting down for one of the Sunday morning talk shows?
He’ll be a nervous stuttering wreck.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Team Romney did blow it in South Carolina. In football terms they were playing prevent defense instead of not letting up. According to CNN they won’t be making that mistake again and expect Mitt to question Newts character(relating to his time as speaker and being reprimanded by his own party). I think you’ll see a different team Romney in Florida.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Jonathan,
Nice run down. I learned a lot about Florida myself, staying up until 4 am election night 2000.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
#34 – LOL
BTW, doesn’t this deserve a FPP – Jeb Bush staying neutral and says Romney should disclose tax returns before Florida votes. ZING!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-22/jeb-bush-cautions-republicans-on-tone-without-endorsing-any-candidate.html
January 21st, 2012 at 10:26 pm
26 You don’t have to share Obama’s beliefs to see his life exemplifies Christianity better than Gingrich’s. And that’s saying something.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:27 pm
“Mitt needs to put his taxes out tomorrow morning”
This is the most shameful part of this whole mess, besides delaying our knowledge of the final outcome.
The fact that Romney is basically going to be forced into the position of prematurely releasing his tax returns speaks volumes about how low this party has sunk. This isn’t about transparency, or legality. This is about the Romney-haters pandering to the socialists within our own party and trying to demonize Romney for what he has accomplished and what he has.
Its the equivalent of saying “sorry capitalism, you can’t rely on us to defend you anymore”
January 21st, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Jeb Bush has called out Mitt to release his Tax Returns during the Florida Primary.
Mitt now needs to do it….no excuses. Mitt wrapped himself up with the easiest issue to handle.
Good grief….Mitt is Mr. Electable?
Mitt needs Jeb Bush to tell him what to do?
Gasp!
January 21st, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Grany,
Rombots in a large bunch tend to be RINOS.
And actually Newt won among College graduates and non graduates tonight.
He swept all categories except the very young age group went to Paul and the over $200,000 Income ONLY went to Willard. That would likely include the Cayman Islands hidden funds folks, too.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
*Granny T ^
January 21st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Granny T,
I could never vote for Obama, but I’m not sure I could vote for Newt either. I think the man is morally unfit to be President. And I’m not just talking about the womanizing (many leaders in history were womanizers). I mean the man has no core. He is a chameleon. A Rockefeller Republican one decade, riding Reagan’s coattails the next. Then he tries to take out Clinton, and now he tries to take credit for everything good in the 90s. When Republicans were on the outs, he was cozy with the Democrats. Now he pretends he’s a crusader fighting the Socialist Muslim Atheists.
Toss in being a con artist, and the most historically transformative narcissist in American politics, and you’ve got a recipe for disaster. He is unfit to be President, and would ruin the Republican Party and conservatism.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:30 pm
39. 40.
I can’t wait to see them
January 21st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Actually, Newt won pretty much every category – which tells you its more about the voters than about the issues, and lends credence to the idea that, because Newt is a local boy, he is a lot more trusted.
Yes, Romney is going to have to release his tax returns early, and that is a damn shame, and yes, it irritates me to a great extent, but that will be the end of the discussion on it.
But it shows the abandonment of our capitalist principles in this party.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Jeb Bush is actually doing Mitt no favors tonight…stays neutral….and makes Mitt look weak in front of the Florida voters on Newt’s night.
Jeb just screwed Mitt.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
“Rombots in a large bunch tend to be RINOS.”
WTH? Most of us have been around since the last primary when Mitt was considered the conservative alternative to McCain and Romney was actually doing quite well with conservative voters. To suggest we’re RINOS because we want someone with more moral upstanding and more steady. Think about it Newt wouldn’t be able to get away with railing against the media in a general election debate.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
“I could never vote for Obama, but I’m not sure I could vote for Newt either. I think the man is morally unfit to be President. And I’m not just talking about the womanizing (many leaders in history were womanizers).”
Its not just about what he DID, although that is certainly an issue, its about what kind of man DOES THAT.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
33 Perhaps they see the negative consequences of voting for Gingrich. It’s plausible that Gingrich would do more harm than good. When he was speaker over half of people polled said he was “scary”. Democrats tried to tie republicans to him to keep them from getting reelected. Also on a personal level, if you have kids who you’re trying to raise to be moral, then how do you explain voting for Gingrich? What kind of lesson would that teach them? Besides, it’s not like Gingrich would win.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I think we learned one thing from South Carolina today.
Don’t say Mitt gets McCain’s voters and Gingrich gets Huckabee’s voters.
In 2008, Romney was the Conservative candidate. Jacksonville went hard for him for that reason. They wanted to stop the moderate McCain.
Also, consider how Noot won huge margins in SC today in counties McCain won handily in 2008.
Noot’s support is totally its own animal. He is not the Conservative candidate. He is not the moderate candidate. He’s not a fiscal candidate. He’s not a foreign policy candidate. He’s not a social issues candidate.
He’s just a candidate, and a particularly effective channeler of anger.
In fact, he’s the “anger candidate.” That’s his one message and one appeal. It has no ideological bounds, although it tends to manifest itself in Conservatives.
Mitt is likely to perform much worse in Jacksonville and Naples this time than in 2008. But at the same time, he will perform better in Miami-Dade-Broward and Tampa than last time.
One thing I’ve noticed about Mitt’s support this time is that it is far more widespread and balanced than in 2008. He’s not overperforming among moderates, but he’s not severely underperforming among Conservatives.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
46. I agree.
Smacks is right again!
Now if Mitt releases his taxes (tomorrow or this week) he looks pathetically weak, doing the bidding of the establishment represented by Jeb…but if he doesn’t, it fuels the notion he is hiding something and that is politically deadly as well.
this guy…how was it all you so smart people came to the conclusion he was the most electable?
this country bumpkin doesn’t see it…but you know, I ain’t as smart as all you book learned’ folks
January 21st, 2012 at 10:39 pm
The more I think about it the more I’m convinced Jeb just screwed Mitt. Jeb should have called Mitt in private and told hm to release the Tax Returns. But by going public Jeb is making Mitt out to be weak. Just today Mitt went out of his way to say he would release his Tax returns in April…final.
Now when Mitt releases His Tax Returns in the next 48 hours it will look like he did it because the “adult in the room” Jeb told him to.
Jeb took a political knife and put it right into Mitt’s solar plexes.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:39 pm
MassCon,
#50
Probably a lot of truth to that.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Yeap, jeb bush just punk’d romney….maybe he is hoping to win a brokered convention. If newt wins fl, i think the 3rd party rumors pick up steam…bloomberg makes the most sense but maybe huntsman would reconsider.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Smacks,
Yeah, I’m sure Team Romney is gritting their teeth about Jeb now.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Telly,
On a scale of 1-10, how strong a general election candidate do you think Newt would be?
5 would be average for a major party nominee.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Well, if you’re not angry, seeing what is going on in this country, you aren’t paying attention.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Okay, I’m tired and frustrated, so I’m going to close before bed with this:
Can we all stop talking about:
(1) Late entrants
(2) Brokered conventions
(3) Whether the primary lasts until Super Tuesday (seriously, this question has been asked 20 times today and I’m getting pretty annoyed)
January 21st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
“Jeb Bush is actually doing Mitt no favors tonight…stays neutral….and makes Mitt look weak in front of the Florida voters on Newt’s night.”
I don’t know. The only message I think it sends is that “Romney and Gingrich both have a chance to take Florida, and I don’t want to get between two dogs fighting over a particularly large steak.” But the fact that Gingrich and Romney both have at least something of a respectable chance isn’t going to be news…
…and in any case, endorsements really haven’t shown themselves to mean squat this cycle. Romney and Gingrich split the Iowa newspaper endorsements, and Santorum won the state. Gingrich got the Union Leader, and came in fifth. Romney got Nikki Haley, and still lost by 13%.
People aren’t exactly taking any marching orders from endorsements.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:44 pm
57
I’m angry, but I understand a nominee who yells and screams at people is not going to win swing voters against a recovering 0bama and his friends in the media.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Jonathan,
How would you charcterize the “interior” vs. “coastal” dynamic in southern Florida? As I recall, places in the southern center of the state like Lakeland, Lake Placid and Sebring tend to be more like the old south than on the adjacent coasts.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
MK,
Endorsements on the Presidential level are much overhyped. People feel they get enough info to make up their own minds. It’s not like looking at a ballot with a string of judges and road commissioners you’ve never heard of.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
56) i would rate newt a 0. He would have to pray there is a 3rd party to divide up the vote but i’d look to the 2010 delaware senate race as a comparison…in this case newt very well may be a witch, poof goodbye GOP house
January 21st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Ci2Eye,
Only alligators and Disney characters live in the interior. The rest are tourists.
I know. I’ve been there…..
January 21st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Well, what Romney should do is have his accountant make a bunch of phone calls, and get the paperwork for his taxes done NOW. Then release the past 4 years at once. He could say he hasn’t mailed them in yet, so you might see a small change if they missed something, but he’ll re-release them if anything changes. I’m not sure if it’s that easy, but that’s what I’d like to see him do (right before the debate).
As long as we’re on the subject, Gingrich released his records hours before the debate, and it was just for one year. He didn’t deserve credit for anything, and it’s too bad the audience was so easily taken.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:51 pm
“People aren’t exactly taking any marching orders from endorsements.”
Ummmm….. Todd & Sarah Palin say hi and then go back to celebrating Newt’s win tonight in Nikki Haley’s backyard
January 21st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
After Gingrich loses his historic landslide, and the tea bagger congressmen are wiped out, returning Pelosi to power, people like Smack and Telly will have little if any influence in our party going forward.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
56. It’s too early to tell, but he could be Reagan redux.
He has the ability to communicate the passion of the conservative base..the ‘silent majority’ if you will. His political skills are excellent.
I understand you don’t like him nor trust him. He is a politician after all, but I think he would try to go down in history as the one to reinvigorate the Reagan revolution and save this country from the ‘European socialist’ track we are now on (I do like that line from Romney)
Newt has made piece with the socons in Iowa and now in South Carolina…they tend to be the most morally judgmental. I don’t think the majority of the country cares about that personal stuff, but he is contrite and repentant, at least now that he’s close to 70.
As far as being driven out of the speakership and the ethics complaints…those were bogus and he was acquitted of everything. He made a lot of political enemies in his own party, and remember the time frame, Clinton had FBI files on everybody and scared a lot of republicans. After Newt was forced out the Republicans went back to their lap dog ways…and that is part of why our country is in the shape it is today.
Here’s a good essay on that : http://judsonphillips.com/newt-and-history/
I think he could be very strong…I can’t give a number…how strong was Reagan? Up to a few weeks before the election he was trailing Carter in the polls.
I reject outright the idea that to win we have to offer up someone who is a democrat-light to appeal to swing voters. I think passion articulated in the right way can sway people…it’s what the great leaders in history all had.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
65.
He should one-up his dad and release 13 years of taxes.
Why not.
Btw, Huck said today that he released 12 years.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
“I’m angry, but I understand a nominee who yells and screams at people is not going to win swing voters against a recovering 0bama and his friends in the media”
This^
One can be angry but realize that the President can’t be a firebrand because he represents all Americans and not just the people in his party. Gingrich’s little fit the other night is not what I would consider presidential.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Sarah never really liked Nikki, she is a little too dark skinned for the Palins’ taste.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:57 pm
67.
The fact that Rombots and their perfect leader have such disdain for the grassroots conservative tea partiers is going to bite them in the butt in Florida.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:57 pm
“I reject outright the idea that to win we have to offer up someone who is a democrat-light to appeal to swing voters”
Nobody is saying offer up Democrat-light(which Mitt isn’t) Come on did Mitt’s line about stuffing capitalism down Obama’s throat not make you smile even a little bit?
January 21st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Considering Newt has the worst approval/disapproval rating of any candidate in modern history will likely lead to a landslide of historic proportions. Which would suit Newt since he is a high paid historian for several corporations and lobbying firms.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
It’s a farce that Gingrich and Santorum are more conservative than Romney. The only area I can really give any of them credit is Santorum is against allowing abortions in the case of rape and incest, which is just a stupid position to take. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think there should ever be an abortion under medically “normal” circumstances, but our country is nowhere near being ready to accept such a position and pushing for a national ban on such abortions only hurts the cause. Oh, I guess Gingrich flipped to that position after the race started as well.
Santorum’s position on felon suffrage, his position on earmarks, and some of his positions on foreign workers & related issues put him to the left of Romney in my opinion. Gingrich is crazy. I believe he would make all sorts of harmful regulations on business depending on whatever happened in the news that week. I also think he’d have all sorts of government “big thinking” programs that would drain money and be utter failures. Of course with his ego he could never admit it.
January 21st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Romney’s taxes is a far more subtle and difficult issue than most of his supporters would guess.
Gingrich knows that Mitt’s generosity and the sheer size of his Church contributions will shine a hot spotlight on Mitt’s Mormonism and make him look “Dianetics” weird.
I gotta hand it to Gingrich. He’s found a soft spot, and unlike Huckabee, he’s leveraging Mitt’s faith against him in a way that is nearly invisible. When Republicans see Mitt’s donations, they’re going to be thinking “weirdsmobile”. When they see that Gingrich gives 2% of his income, they’re going to think, “Hey, he’s like me!”
January 21st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
#61:
There’s some of that too. Out of the biggest cities in Florida, the only one in the interior is Orlando. Outside of the I-4 Corridor, a lot of the interior of the state is more rural and conservative.
Like I said, Florida’s a complicated state to play in, especially given the fact that there are so many different groups within the Florida GOP electorate.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:00 pm
For example, PPP, the poll the Newtards love so much, has Newt being soundly beaten by Obama…..in Texas.
Against Newt, Obama could realign the country to the left and officially end the Reagan Era.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:00 pm
71 Harsh.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Craig,
#66
Are you flipflopping on the power of Palin? I remember you spending 2 years relentlessly mocking your new friend Telly about her.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
“The fact that Rombots and their perfect leader have such disdain for the grassroots conservative tea partiers is going to bite them in the butt in Florida.”
I think you’ll find that most Romney supporters agree with the goals of the Tea Party it is just that the Tea Party often shoots itself in the foot. Do Angle, O’Donnell and Buck ring a bell?
January 21st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
The Rombots are making a huge mistake characterizing passionate rhetoric as just “yelling and screaming”
FDR didn’t yell and scream. Winston Churchill didn’t ‘yell and scream’ and Newt Gingrich doesn’t “yell and scream. ‘
He articulates conservative ideas passionately. You guys are just pissed and dismissive because yuor candidate is incapable of exhibiting any human emotion whatsoever.
Are you sure you’re really the ‘smart’ ones in this party?
I am beginning to wonder…
if you know what I mean
January 21st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
69 Meh, what’s the point of that, just so he can say he did? 4 years makes sense to me. I’m not against it, I just don’t see the point.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Watch,
Mitt’s been running for President since 2004. You don’t think he’s been grooming his tax returns in anticipation to their release?
That would seem unusually shortsided on his part.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:04 pm
How excited are the Dems about Newt?
Labor unions are going up in Florida with anti-Mitt ads to help Gingrich. Obama is picking his opponent, and the Angle/O’Donnell brigade is handing him reelection on a platter.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
82
Smart ones? Well we didn’t vote for the guy with a 27% approval rating. Assad is in the 30′s, even Gaddafi was even higher than Newt when they executed him.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
I bet James Carville would give his right arm to run a campaign against Newt. Shoot, James used to run circles around him in the 90s.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Newt’s racist appeal to whites has this same subtle flavor to it. He can rail against inner-city kids’ lack of work ethic, and he can sound brazenly politically incorrect. He blasts Obama as the food stamps President. He knows what he’s doing. He’s pitting rural against urban, white against black, and he gets credit for speaking the “truth”. It’s the mirror image of Barack Obama’s statement about rural folks clinging to their religion and guns. It’s called identity politics. Newt is leveraging one part of the country against the other.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Mitt’s tax returns are turning out to be much more ‘baggage’ than anything in Newt’s past.
I think the whole perspective or narrative of this race has been flawed…intentionally by the Mittwitts.
It is starting to look like Romney and his supporters have no clue about politics or what it takes to win elections.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
88. that is democrat bullshit.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Matty,
In the pecking order, Nikki Haley is in the gutter.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
The Newt people have no answers for his fatal flaws, just like they had no answer to O’Donnell’s or Angle’s. They don’t care about winning or governing. It’s just about who can be the biggest jackass to Obama in a speech or a debate. A little “he’s a Kenyan!” or “he’s a Marxist Muslim!” will give them thrills up their legs, while the Dems laugh all the way back to a super majority.
the once and future Speaker Pelosi says “thanks South Carolina!”
future Sen. Tim Kaine says “thanks South Carolina!”
future Sen. Elizabeth Warren says “thanks South Carolina!”
future Sen. Tammy Baldwin says “thanks South Carolina!”
future Sen. Shelley Berkley says “thanks South Carolina!”
current Sen. Bill Nelson says “thanks South Carolina!”
current Sen. Jon Tester says “thanks South Carolina!”
current Sen. Claire McCaskill says “thanks South Carolina!”
current Sen. Sherrod Brown says “thanks South Carolina!”
January 21st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
87. James Carville has no connection to the Obama machine.
I think Newt is prepared for what ever the dems throw at him. He has been planning this at least as long as Romney has, and he’s much better at it.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Watch,
Now that you mention it, there has been more than a whiff from Newt of that “Here’s what wrong with those inner city kids” air.
One of the things I respected about W is that (apart from whomever was responsible for those SC flyers against McCain) he didn’t make those race based appeals, against blacks or hispanics. Newt, having risen to power in the 80s and 90s, is playing a hand I remember getting played effectively in the 80s and 90s.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
84. What’s he supposed to do, cut back on his contributions? He can’t. He won’t. I know you understand tithing. It doesn’t get suspended so you can look less weird when you run for President.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if Mitt made a sizeable donation to the Prop 8 campaign. I would be shocked if Newt didn’t take that into account.
Mitt can’t afford to look weirder than he already does. Newt knows that. We pay tithing. 10%. At my level of income, not abig deal, but at Mitt’s it’s just going to look weirdsmobile.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Telly,
“James Carville has no connection to the Obama machine.”
I know. That’s why he’d give his right arm.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:16 pm
89 You’re reading WAY too much into South Carolina.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Compare this to 1980, Reagan had the great “I paid for this microphone” moment.
This time, however, the big highlight of the primary was Newt trashing a black journalist and playing the victim over his treatment of his ex-wife.
He basically took a big dump on blacks and women and the Tea Party got a thrill up it’s leg.
Bring on the landslide, we deserve it.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Telly
Yea, Newt is really gifted at planning. He planned out his strategic 4th and 5th place finishes, as well as his brilliant move of missing ballot deadlines.
All part of the plan.
Face it, he jumped on a black journalist and South Carolina had a nostalgia kick like it was the good ol’ lynching days.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:19 pm
90. tele, tell me how I’m wrong? Newt went into Iowa and railed against inner-city kids. does that make any sense to you? Were you paying attention? Nobody held a gun to his head that I recall.
Did that come across as courageous and gutsy to you?
January 21st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Watch,
I don’t think anyone would think Mitt is weird for giving 10%. He might raise eyebrows if he was sending over 30% to the LDS. Indeed, an unusually high tithe would fuel more chatter about “cults”.
My guess is he’s sending 10% to the LDS, and then making substantial charitable contributions that no one would dispute- money for the families of wounded veterans, education for poor kids, crisis pregnancy centers (okay, liberals would blanche there), soup kitchens, job training, etc……..
If that doubled up his tithe, I think a lot of people would applaud. He’d look less like an “elite” and more like a noble.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Newt made all the white folks in SC happy because he said the little black kids would have to clean their toilets if he’s president.
WORST. NOMINEE. EVER.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
McCain’s 2008 campaign mgr says he would advise against the release of tax returns at this point because they would be the topic of discussion for weeks. Better to say they will be released in April and say no more.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Ahhhhh.. playing the racist card after you’ve been crushed in the polls.
Rachel Maddow awaits your phone calls on Monday, Rombots.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:22 pm
99. That line of attack is not going to fly.
mainly because it’s not true
I think you need to go off an just have a good cry at the unfairness of it all.
Why can’t the world see the greatness in His Mitten$!!
January 21st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
In Newt’s defense, he has thus far refused to demagogue the immigration issue. But he has been working this “welfare queen” angle. Except now it’s not single moms on welfare, but lazy inner city school kids.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
The good ol’ boys in the south just wanted to hear how poor black kids would clean their toilets, after that Newt was gold.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:25 pm
105
Oh no need to cry. We had 2 options with Obama. Win with Mitt or wait until 2016.
It Newt is the nominee, I’ll happily enjoy his humiliation in November and welcome Christie in 2016.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:25 pm
108. which is why it is Jeb Bush who is twisting the knife in Mitt’s back, not Newt.
A very interesting development.
Does Jeb sense weakness?
Does he think he could he step in and win in 2012?
A very interesting development, indeed.
if you know what I mean
January 21st, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Sorry, 109. was for 103.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Tim,
“Newt made all the white folks in SC happy because he said the little black kids would have to clean their toilets if he’s president.”
That greatly overstates the case, but I think with a wink and a nod he was showing some voters that he *understands* as well as they do, the problem with *those* people.
I mean really, why go on and on about school kids cleaning schools? This is hardly going to save Western Civilization or keep us solvent.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Tim:
Your attacks on South Carolina are totally uncalled for. You’re using exactly the same sort of “everything a Republican says is racist” bull **** that the Democrats harp on all the time.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:27 pm
There is nothing that resentful old white men like than to hear that their wives were at fault for their cheating, they’re the VICTIMS, just like Newt.
And those lazy black kids, with their rap music and their gang banging, they should mop the floors.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Telly
That’d be fine. Jeb can step in, run in 2016, or whenever. Bottom line is, thought, Newt will never be President.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
I thought Mitt was playing a little rope a dope with this tax return issue…but he just acts so weird about it I don’t know anymore.
Now Jeb calling for their release, after Mitt’s camp leaked an endorsement was eminent (I believe, no proof but some one leaked it tonight)
I just don’t know.
It should be a total non-issue.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Newt released one year of tax returns.
Mitt should release the last ten years or so showing that he took no salary as Governor of Massachusetts and as the CEO of the 2002 Olympic Games. He should then demand that Newt release more tax records. He needs to demand to know the details surrounding his work for Fannie and Freddie.
Mitt should release his medical records too then demand that the obese former Speaker release all medical records immediately. Mitt should keep hammering away that he is hiding something and the American people don’t need to be “surprised” in the fall. I think it is highly likely that Newt has some health issues releated to his weight and he may even be on medication for hypomania.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2011/12/is_newt_gingrich_nuts_consider_the_symptoms_.html
The problem for Mitt in SC is that he let Newt define him, he let Newt control the narrative and thus Newt came across as stronger. Mitt needs to immediately get Newt back on defense as he had him in Iowa because Newt gets pathetic and whiny in that circumstance.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:31 pm
90. You tell me how much courage it must have taken for Newt Gingrich to go to Iowa and start berating and belittling the poor in the inner-city. Who did that offend in Iowa?
Are you a big fan of destroying child labor laws? Child labor laws are causing poverty? I’m pretty conservative, but that’s news to me.
Are you one of those folks who admire Newt for courageously being politically incorrect? In Iowa? As a lead up to the caucuses?
January 21st, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Best thing about tonight is that it will be scorched earth against Newt. Total destruction of him, personally and professionally.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
I’m still amazed that Gingrich’s approval today are at the same point where Bush’s were at his lowest point during his presidency.
Gingrich’s default approval equals Bush post-Iraq, post-Katrina, post-financial collapse. Amazingly awful.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
They cheated Mitt in IA,so Mitt was 2-1-2,Newt has to lie and crossed the red light to the finish line so he is 4,5 and 1 now to stay in the race if not he has to drop out tonight, but the final Mitt is the nominee.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Jonathan,
One of the recent SC polls did find that a substantial minority of SC Republicans thought interracial marriage is either immoral, or should be illegal. I forget which, exactly, but either way, it was pretty bad.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
MWS. I suspect Mitt donated to Prop 8 as well. Conservatives won’t love him more because of it, and Liberals will turn out 200K more in the general. That’s what I think. I think Newt’s guessed that as well. Of course, since he’s parsimonious when it comes to giving, he probably didn’t toss a check that direction, his staunch conservative defender of traditional marriage notwithstanding.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Newt Gingrich Pummels Mitt Romney in South Carolina Victory
Pummeled the inevitability right out of Willard
January 21st, 2012 at 11:41 pm
117. I didn’t hear him belittle anyone.
I guess I’m not tuned in to the coded messages the race baiting democrats and Mittwitts hear so clearly.
To me it sounded like he as trying to offer a solution to help people get out of poverty, something he has a strong record of actually helping accomplish while speaker.
Call me crazy, but four or five generations of families living on welfare is a problem in our society…and it doesn’t matter what their race or heritage is.
Our country is going broke, and one of the biggest reasons is the dependency that has been fostered by our democrat advocated welfare state. So I welcome ideas on how to move people from dependency to productivity…I see no race in the equation at all.
And I’m pretty sure no one in Iowa saw it as racial either. (Have you ever been to Iowa, or know anything about it? We are not really racists here.)
January 21st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Mitt is not spending personally on a pace that would consume his estate. How do you suppose he has arranged his affairs? Long ago? He donated his father’s inheritance to BYU. I can imagine several scenarios where whatever he gives in whatever other directions he is going to come off looking cultish and weird just by volume of what he established and set in motion long before he became a candidate.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:49 pm
124. Then why not come to Iowa and talk about rural poverty? You tell me a really good answer to that question, after all, that’s where he was campaigning, and I’ll feel stupid. I might even feel wrong, but I’ll definitely feel stupid.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Mike has it right:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71767.html
January 21st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
So that’s it?
Mitt doesn’t want to release his taxes because he’s afraid it will look ‘weird?’
That’s pretty weak.
If he had any political skill at all he should be able to explain and justify whatever he’s doing…like Matt said, he would look noble, not weird.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Telly,
There is no doubt that intergenerational dependency is a problem in this country. But sometimes, politicians will give those problems an inordinate amount of attention, particularly before audiences who are very far removed from the people and problems in question.
For all the “courage” Newt shows in tackling the problems of lazy inner-city youth, he’s at a loss when it comes to explaining how he can balance the budget- refusing to concede anything beside magical savings in “waste, fraud, abuse”. He refuses to say anything about entitlements people don’t want to hear.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Telly,
“Our country is going broke, and one of the biggest reasons is the dependency that has been fostered by our democrat advocated welfare state.”
What’s driving us to bankruptcy is Social Security and Medicare, not welfare. But Newt isn’t talking seriously about that.
January 21st, 2012 at 11:58 pm
When Obama was caught in his quote about rural people clinging to their guns and their religion, he was pitting urban against rural, secular against religious. Did he do that in a crowd that would disagree with him? No! Cowardly identity politics that denigrated one group so as to gain the sympathy of another.
Is that some sort of liberal observation?
Gingrich went into Iowa and did the mirror image of that. He used the plight of inner-city kids in a calculated way to gain the sympathy of a crowd that was white, rural, and angry at the political correctness marginalizes their concerns and feelings. And he made it look like he had those kids’ interests at heart.
What suggestions did he make about improving the moral character of the rural poor so they could break the cycle of poverty? In Iowa.
January 22nd, 2012 at 12:00 am
126. We don’t have a lot of rural poverty here. When we think of poverty we do think of large inner cites. Any poverty we have is more related to lack of opportunity due to low population, not people giving up and living off the government teat.
Families on welfare for generations is not something that really happens in Iowa, except perhaps in pockets of Des Moines or other larger populated areas. (it’s not something I am aware of)
the welfare problem in Iowa I wish he would have address more strongly, instead of acquiescing to, is the ethanol and other ag subsidies.
That’s the welfare problem we have here.
You see it remarks as racist..well, all the talking heads on MSNBC certainly agree with you. They certainly have no agenda…
January 22nd, 2012 at 12:07 am
“But Newt isn’t talking seriously about that.”
Actually his proscription for Social Security is exactly what I have been advocating for years.
I’ve shown you the statistics, and I understand you’re dismissive of them, but I was thrilled to hear him bring up Galveston…it’s the only way to save it, in my opinion.
But then, being a low information, downscale, uneducated, Tea Party dunce…I should shut up and just learn to accept the fact that the only way is lower benefits and higher taxes. Look how well that worked in Europe!
January 22nd, 2012 at 12:08 am
132. tele, I give you a lot of credit for speaking from the heart. I just want you to know that.
January 22nd, 2012 at 12:12 am
Telly,
I think something like 30% of Americans are getting food stamps now. I’m guessing white people in Iowa aren’t immune from that.
The parallel with Obama’s “bitter clingers” remark to a group of San Fran limousine liberals is apt.
January 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 am
Telly,
Galveston isn’t a serious solution. It was when Treasuries yielded 15%, but not when they yield 2%. And even if it were, Newt hasn’t told us how we pay for current recipients (who rely on current payroll taxes) and fund these new accounts at the same time.
“Waste, fraud, and abuse” isn’t going to cut it.
January 22nd, 2012 at 12:23 am
Galveston also had a chance when we had higher Soc Sec. surpluses, and a better worker/retiree ratio. No the surpluses have nearly (already?) turned to deficits, and the number of workers per retiree is dwindling. Where will the trillions come from to simultaneously fund 2 generations’ retirement?
January 22nd, 2012 at 4:45 am
Approval of the incumbent is much better parameter to look at.
Carter’s approval newer left the 30es after May, it was 31% at the time of the election, a can of orange juice with an R on it would have beaten Carter, so just because there has been some crappy polls, really doesn’t mean that Reagan’s victory was a surprise.
Reagan hadn’t been an unpopular speaker of the House.
Nancy Pelosi polls also poorly nationally, I guess that means that he is a Reagan too, also her first name is Nancy, like Nancy Reagan.
I bet 2016 Democratic primary will be tough fight between Pelosi, John Edwards and Anthony Weiner to become the next Reagan.
January 22nd, 2012 at 4:46 am
*she is a Reagan too,
January 22nd, 2012 at 4:53 am
50
Blovio Conservative could be good term
January 22nd, 2012 at 10:02 am
Good preview, thanks Jonathan…
January 22nd, 2012 at 11:21 am
140.
Yet South Carolina who NEVER gets it wrong is our greatest mixture of the major types of conservatives.
And Newt swept them ALL yesterday. Social. Fiscal. Defense.
The Reagan CONSERVATIVES
January 22nd, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Also all the 943 dead people…