Ginger White is publicly accusing Herman Cain of carrying on a 13-year extramarital affair with her — a charge that was broadcast on the 6:00 FOX5 news in Atlanta.
The affair began, according to White, when she met Cain in the late 90s in Louisville, KY. He was the head of the National Restaurant Association at the time, met her after a presentation, and invited her back up to his hotel room. The ‘friendship’, as Cain portrays it, lasted for over a decade and included Cain flying her out to visit him on business trips in Palm Springs and multiple other cities he was visiting.
Their last physical contact was about eight months ago, according to White. Cain cut off the physical relationship before he announced he was running for President. When asked to present proof of the affair, White produced cell phone records that show 61 phone calls and text messages between White and Cain over the course of a four month period. Reporters from FOX5 texted the number to see if it was indeed Herman Cain’s cell phone, and Cain then called them back (and denied the allegations).
Cain’s lawyer released this non-denial earlier this afternoon:
“Mr. Cain has been informed today that your television station plans to broadcast a story this evening in which a female will make an accusation that she engaged in a 13-year long physical relationship with Mr. Cain. This is not an accusation of harassment in the workplace – this is not an accusation of an assault – which are subject matters of legitimate inquiry to a political candidate.
Rather, this appears to be an accusation of private, alleged consensual conduct between adults – a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public. No individual, whether a private citizen, a candidate for public office or a public official, should be questioned about his or her private sexual life. The public’s right to know and the media’s right to report has boundaries and most certainly those boundaries end outside of one’s bedroom door.
Mr. Cain has alerted his wife to this new accusation and discussed it with her. He has no obligation to discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media and he will not do so even if his principled position is viewed unfavorably by members of the media.”
Three weeks ago, this would have been an interesting development in the Republican primary horse race. Today with Cain languishing in the polls, it is a sad time for his marriage and his family. Cain has said he will stay in the race unless the accusations begin weighing on his family. It is difficult to see how they won’t at this point.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Hey Ann’s brother Matt,
Why not front page the Democrats’ new ad against Mitt?
It’s completely devastating to Willard.
And I’m sure, if nothing else, Kavon would appreciate the web page views.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9njHHyRI7g&feature=player_embedded#
November 28th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Does this surprise anyone and Newt is probably worse than Cain with baggage not even looking at his socialistic views that have been on the record that are almost like Obama’s on cap and trade and national mandates etc.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
And just think, a few short weeks ago this guy was the not Romney’s savior. Tells you all you need to know about how they view this campaign.
What a joke.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Cain: “There the liberals go again!”
Figures Rombot Coulter would post this just as he posted Gloria Allred’s gals each time..
And MSNBC and CNN are again all over Cain hour after hour after hour.
They must have seen today’s new poll where he was third and gaining at the highest rate of the top three.
Cain/Newt ’12!
November 28th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
We need a squeaky clean candidate and that takes Cain and Gingrich out of the running. Still hoping the right rallies around bachmann the only candidate who never poked an eye at conservatives. Perrys ok also.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
1.
Unfortunately like the liberal candidate he adores, the lovesick Coulters LOVE sex scandals.
Truth be damned.
Anything goes for Willardists.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Pretty damning story … she sounds credible and has evidence.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
But we already know that Republicans don’t care about marital fidelity and morality anymore, right? If Newt gets a pass, why shouldn’t Cain?
November 28th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
*they adore
November 28th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
His lawyer’s statement:
“Cain has been informed today that your television station plans to broadcast a story this evening in which a female will make an accusation that she engaged in a 13-year-long physical relationship with Mr. Cain. This is not an accusation of harassment in the workplace — this is not an accusation of an assault — which are subject matters of legitimate inquiry to a political candidate.
“Rather, this appears to be an accusation of private, alleged consensual conduct between adults — a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public. No individual, whether a private citizen, a candidate for public office or a public official, should be questioned about his or her private sexual life. The public’s right to know and the media’s right to report has boundaries and most certainly those boundaries end outside of one’s bedroom door.
“Mr. Cain has alerted his wife to this new accusation and discussed it with her. He has no obligation to discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media and he will not do so even if his principled position is viewed unfavorably by members of the media.”
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So, basically: “My client had a 13-year-long sexual affair. Don’t ask him about it.”
November 28th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
What about Newt’s 6 year affair during his second marriage and his numerous other affairs.
What about Newt misrepresenting Romney with his video that he put on the internet, the video that news organization picked up. Some reporting the whole interview and others hiding the truth (those in bed with Newt). Newt will have to explain why he supported a one size fits all national individual mandate, cap and trade and pro global warming policies. Why did he go crying to left wing news reporters trying to get sympathy after he got beat up at the last debate at the hands of Romney and Bachman over his amnesty position. Oh Boo Hoo!..Newt.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Trust me, there will be many Newt stories to become public at the time the left-leaning media decides to take him out. You want to run the serial adulterer against the faithful husnad and father that is Barack Obama? Have the parties switched places?
November 28th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
“She sounds credible”
LOL! Rombots have no shame.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
10.
Rombat #10,
The lawyer’s key word was ACCUSATION.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
Thanks, Craig. Always glad when you stay classy. /sarc
What I find more revealing is that you guys are so anti-Mitt you can’t even see past the obvious lies and obfuscations in that video. Quotes taken out of context (like the one about the stimulus). Flips on positions that Romney has already admitted and dealt with (like the one on abortion).
You know who is calling the ad devastating? Democrats.
You know who is defending Mitt Romney? The RNC. They are breaking tradition in not defending specific candidates during a primary to step in and defend Romney against the ridiculous half-truths in this video.
The Democrats paid just $14,000 to put this ad out on the air, just so they could get free air time from the media for it. And the media is eating it up like the liberal lapdogs that they are.
I find it amusing that you guys are eating it up along with them.
I am not honoring the DNC’s deceptive media tactics by posting the video here. If Kavon or one of the other FPP’s want to, that’s their prerogative.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
He’ll be out of the race within 1-2 weeks. “Craig For Huck” will soon be pimping Newt’s Contract With America in every thread…complete with links and smileys.
I’m more worried this is going to hurt my wife and my family,” Cain said. “Because it’ll be proof it was probably something else baseless. And the court of public opinion does not consider that when they want to pass that judgment. I can take the lumps. I expected this kind of stuff when I decided to run for the president of the United States of America. But [what] I’m worried about is the impact it is going to have on my wife and family. But they should not be subject to allegations that are not true.”
Cain suggested racial motivations could be behind the latest accusation, but said he wasn’t certain. Nonetheless, for the first time he mentioned that he would consider dropping out of the race if it hurt his family.
“One of the reasons I’m running [for president] is to change the system,” Cain said. “This is one of the aspects of ‘it is just the way it is,’ but I’m not going to allow this sort of thing to cause me to drop out simply because it is tough on me. I don’t want it to be tough on my family, but there comes a point when it becomes tough on my family, [and] I have to consider that at that particular point in time.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/28/cain-previews-allegations-of-13-year-affair-hints-toll-on-his-family-could-end-his-campaign-video/#ixzz1f30ExD3H
November 28th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Don’t worry, Many Evangelicals will still vote for him… Same with Newt. Their family values only go so far
November 28th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
13.
Dude, his own lawyer is basically admitting it. You might want to back off the insults just this one thread and show a little humility. You probably won’t and then won’t understand why people are going to enjoy rubbing your nose in the implosion of the Cain Train but your choice.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
This is bad news for Mitt. He needs Cain in the race.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Of course, Rombats are deaf.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Two career adulterers in Cain and Gingrich and one squeeky clean, Conservative in Mitt Romney.
Take your pick America.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
16.
You’re damn right if the liberals, Rombots, and you get away with driving Cain out of the race.
It’ll be 24/7 for Newt or whomever beats Romney in Iowa. Even Ron Paul.
That said, Herman Cain is no quitter.
We’ll leave the quitting label for your candidate, Sarah Palin.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Republican Presidential candidates who’ve had affairs are cool now. Haven’t you heard?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
# CR Says:
November 28th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Of course, Rombats are deaf.
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But not stupid. This pretty well verifies everything that Cain has been denying. Including the Sexual Harassment. It follows the same MO, and the phone records prove it.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
22.
How would I be responsible for driving him out of the race?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
I guess when Cain said that people don’t get off “his train”, he really meant it! 13 years!!!!
November 28th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
This is pretty much be a dagger in the heart for Cain’s campaign. Having an affair is one thing, and survivable…if it’s in the past. But not when it happened this calendar year while he was running for president.
If Cain had surged 2 months later, we might have had an Edwards situation where the Republican party would be stuck with a candidate mired in a series of messy sex scandals, one of which there’s apparently proof. You want one easy way for Obama to shift the campaign away from his crappy record, there you go. Damn Cain for risking our country’s future like that. If he couldn’t keep it in his pants, he shouldn’t have run.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
18,
You keep using that word “basically”, clown.
I don’t think it means what you think it means.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Told you so. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. For those leaving the Cain train, are you ready to climb aboard the SS Gingrich and have more bimbo eruptions the week before the election? Good luck ABRs. I feel your pain.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
22
“You’re damn right if the liberals, Rombots, and you get away with driving Cain out of the race.”
LOL!! I only wish we could have done this. Unfortunately Cain doesn’t need any help from us to blow himself into a million pieces.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
1
I watched that video already, and no flip-flopping accusations in it were true except abortion and Reagan. And Reagan isn’t even a political issue, he was a person.
(1) Ohio union laws – he NEVER opposed it. NEVER. Prove he was EVER against it. You cannot.
(2) Assault weapon bans – He said he would not support ADDITIONAL assault weapon bans. He never said he WOULD support additional assault weapon bans.
(3) TARP – Romney supported it, but wanted it ended when it became a political slush fund.
(4) Stimulus – Romney supported a form of economic stimulus – through tax cuts. He opposed Obama’s stimulus, always.
(5) Anti-tax pledge – he signed it. He never officially went against it. It took him a couple of weeks to sign it.
(6) Obamacare exchanges – Romney supported the exchange portion. That doesn’t mean he supported Obamacare. In fact, in that same interview, he made it clear that he opposed the other portions of the law.
(7) Auto bailouts – Romney NEVER supported auto bailouts. When visiting Michigan, he said “where is Washington?” That didn’t imply bailouts. In fact, Detroit didn’t even NEED bailouts. Romney supported lower taxes and cracking down on China to increase American competitiveness.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
If the story is true…the killer part is that it ended right before Cain announced his run.
It is too much like Gary Hart…risk taking at it’s most zenith.
Whatever the case…….the question of should Cain stay in the race is up to him and his family.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
27
“Damn Cain for risking our country’s future like that. If he couldn’t keep it in his pants, he shouldn’t have run.”
Yeah, I can’t believe he pulled this one over our eyes like that. I guess we better go back to Gingrich, because being an “admitted” 2 time adulterer makes it so much better.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
28.
It must be hard being you, jumping from bad candidate to bad candidate all the while having no real understanding about the candidates, their records, or well, anything. You’ve taken great pleasure in slamming Romney with lies and dumb talking points. Karma is a bitch.
Nobody drove Herman Cain out of this race but Herman Cain. He was always a horrible candidate who was completely inarticulate on the issues and not even conversant on current affairs.
And Sarah Palin was never my candidate.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
26. Lol!
I heard that Hugh Hefner is the next GOP candidate to get a “2nd look”.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Cain and Gingrich should leave the race, they are both huge embarrassments.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Cain and Newt go back decades as great friends.
Drive Cain out — THEN he and 99% of his supporters go to Newt rather than Willard.
Game. Set. Match. IA, SC, FL
November 28th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
19 – You are right.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
With Cain out, expect the lesser known Gingrich mistresses to begin popping up!
November 28th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
CR Says:
November 28th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Cain and Newt go back decades as great friends.
Drive Cain out — THEN he and 99% of his supporters go to Newt rather than Willard.
Game. Set. Match. IA, SC, FL
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Don’t you ever get tired of being proved wrong. Every time you back a candidate, they implode, so, please back Newt.
Face it Romney is going to be the nominee.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
37. Doubt it. Much of Cain’s support comes from the business background. That support will go to Romney. Anyone who leaves Cain for his adultry wont go to the guy that committed it on 2 wives.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
@1 – You don’t think they would make a video just as bad (and probably worse) against Newt?
I thought you were better than to revel in such dishonest tripe (actually I didn’t, but people keep telling me you are).
November 28th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
CR
You do realize the Jeb/McCain/Romney/Rudy voters vastly outnumber Cain/Gingrich supporters in Florida? I mean you get this don’t you?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Rombot #34,
Who said she was, clown?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
33:
I’m hardly a Newt supporter, but at least that’s in the past. It’s built into Newt’s electability and may be in the background for the whole campaign, but it wouldn’t become a campaign altering firestorm. If Republicans pick Newt to be their nominee, at least we’ll know what we’ve bought.
Cain theoretically risked a sex scandal popping up in October 2012 if he was the nominee. Republicans would then be stuck with a scandal that they would want nothing to do with. Remember what the drunk driving story did to Bush in 2000? Multiply that 1000x. He had no right to do that to his party.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
19.
I wouldn’t be so sure. Yes, Cain was helpful taking some of the not Romney vote. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that all of Cain’s supporters are going to be looking for another adulterer. They may actually be repelled by Newt and looking for someone with a cleaner record like Perry, Santorum or Bachmann. You can be sure they are going to be fighting for them.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Matt Coulter, thanks for posting this, and for your other work here.
As the son of estranged adulterer father, I hope this isn’t true–and if it is, I hope the media let Cain and his family alone, so they can deal with this privately.
If you’ve never had to deal with this…yeah.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Thunder, Boomer, CF, you guys rock. Keep it up.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Mushy moderate Willard never had a chance when going one on one against a conservative.
Or even one against two.
He needed to split the CONSERVATIVE vote at least three to five differentt ways.
Good luck with that dorky strategy.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Boomer,
The crosstabs tell us a different story…Cain supporters have been, and will continue to go to Newt.
However,
I will grant that there is a chance that Newt’s, inside the Beltway involvement, may be too much for the last Cain supporters to put up with.
Cain is the “outsider”…and his last drop of supporters may go to “ousiders” such as Perry,Romney & Huntsman.
Will see….but I think this helps Newt…but I’m not as sure as before.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
47.
You thank the FPP after he posts the accusation, then you went on to say..
“I hope the media let Cain and his family alone, so they can deal with this privately.”
What’s Race42012? Chopped liver to you? LOL!
November 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Gonna be great, watching Romney debate Obama 10 months from now. He’s the man for the job.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Craig for Huck,
I welcome you to the NEWTRON BOMB.
We need your passion.
We need your love of Country.
We need the Huck Nuts of the past to jump aboard.
Newt can’t win this race without the Huck Nuts.
We can take IA,SC & FL together.
We can win on Super Tuesday and defeat Mitt in PA,OH and Illnois when the time comes.
Nice to have you aboard.
Just, please leave the “Craig jink” behind you…ahem….
November 28th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Smack-
If Cain had left because he wasn’t getting any traction or some other non-related issue I would agree that the logical landing spot for many of Cain’s supporters would be Newt. But this is not a good issue for Newt and one I’m sure he thought he had put behind him. This puts the issue front and center again. It’s going to make it really difficult for the evangelicals in Iowa to pretend adultery isn’t a big issue when it will be all over the news for the next couple weeks and I guarantee some of the less subtle back benchers, Bachmann and Santorum come to mind but Perry as well, will find a way to make it clear that they are the only acceptable social cons.
I do think Newt will still get a bunch of Cain supporters but I think it will be fewer now than it could have been.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
What is worst about this whole affair, is that, now that Cain is done, Gingrich is going to get his supporters.
Why will Cain’s supporters be leaving him? An affair.
Gingrich is a serial adulterer as well, and he’s going to pick up these folks.
This is disgusting. Sick. Twisted.
I’m becoming angry. Not just frustrated, but deeply angry.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
43.
Rombot Bill,
That’s incorrect. But nice try.
The two scientific Florida Primary polls taken this month per REAL CLEAR POLITICS:
November 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Cain’s in third place in the polls. His supporters will have to go somewhere if they leave him over this. I say they go to someone who appears to be electable. Currently that is Newt. Newt, despite his character flaws and/or mental health issues is a far more credible candidate than Perry or Cain or any of the other wannabees.
But for Newt with the MANY character issues that will be used against him if he’s our nom? Not good.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
53 – Ha! Now you’re saddled with Craig. I was honestly worried Newt had a chance to pull this off before that happened. I’m just worried that once the Craig jinx crashes and burns Newt, he may turn to Romney.
Nah, there’s always Santorum or Paul.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
53,
What do I do with the Huntsman and Pawlenty jinxes.
And that impossible Romney jinx of 2008?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Oh, that’s right, Martha & the Rombots jinxed Romney in every way at IA/SC/FL/CA ’08
Who they backing this time?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
We always knew that support for Cain was going to help Romney in the end. With this new revelation (and it appears to be true even if it’s knot), a lot of support will go to Newt–at least for the moment. Whether the character issue will finally dissuade them to go to Romney, I guess we’ll see. Maybe that’s what the Romney compaign sees happening and their latest announcement to actual try to win in Iowa.
They really need to stop Newt in Iowa or Newt has a good chance in SC and maybe then FL.
Voters need to realize that in spite of the fun of seeing Newt debate Obama, Newt will struggle beating Obama. Newt can easily be painted as a fat old white adulterer pervert corrupt DC insider with a glib tongue.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Prick #56.
Cains support will be split. If charactor is the reason for leaving they wont defect to the poster child of all slimeballs.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Boomer – Massachusetts Conservative,
I think you would both agree with me that the timing of these failings is very important. If someone pops up now and says some stuff about Newt…then game over for Newt.
Getting back to where the Cain supporters go…..I have always said that the Cain supporters would drift to Newt based on the crosstab information we have been seeing in the polls.
But I have always thought the confusing answers Cain gave on Social Con issues + harrassment issues put the first wave of Cain supporters into Newt’s lap…
…but the remaining Cain suporters stayed with Cain because he was an “outsider”.
Newt is not an outsider…..far from it. Romney, Hunstman and Perry have an argument to make for the remaining Cain support.
This is my theory……I’m not sure if I’m correct, will see. I don’t think Newt will be hurt by Cain’s departure….but I’m not sure it’s pure gravy for Newt like it was last month.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
51 (CR)
I’d have hoped you had the common sense to figure out that I hope they leave him alone and solve this from here on out.
But then you’re a RomNot, so it was foolish of me to credit you with any excess of intelligence.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
This new accusation adds a whole level of meaning to Cain’s initial response to the FIRST accusation when he said something along the lines of, “I can’t respond until I know the specifics of the accusation.”
So, maybe he wasn’t sure whether they were talking about the affair or the sexual harassment, so he didn’t dare defend himself and risk talking about something no one knew about, yet.
Hmmmm…
November 28th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Get Real,
Were you part of the GREAT Romney Hoax of 2008 that was jinxed by a Minister and a POW?
Or were you a McCain guy like Smacks?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
#65 Interesting point. I always thought those were strange words for Cain to use.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
#15 “What I find more revealing is that you guys are so anti-Mitt you can’t even see past the obvious lies and obfuscations in that video. Quotes taken out of context (like the one about the stimulus). Flips on positions that Romney has already admitted and dealt with (like the one on abortion).”
First, I think the ad is mostly true. Perhaps Romney had a more nuanced view on a particular issue, but on the whole I think it’s hard to find a “lie” in the ad.
Second, the ad is nevertheless informational. I would think rombots would be overjoyed that the DNC chose Romney to blast. It shows they still consider him the favorite.
And third, frankly, the ad is darn good. Put aside ideology and just look at the ad for the storytelling.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
64,
Rombot,
But you THANKED the FPP were posting the flaming accusation.
What’s wrong with that picture, fool?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
scgop just tweeted:
“Big crowd turned away by fire marshals at Newt Gingrich town hall with Tim Scott in Charleston.”
Something is happening on the ground…thunder heard in the distance….Newt Surge!
November 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Smack-
I think we’re pretty much in agreement on this. I still think Newt’s got some splainin to do on immigration, particularly in Iowa.
But things are definitely going to get interesting over the next 5 weeks.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Not good for Cain; he was just starting to move beyond the scandals and then this comes up.
What has happened to Cain shows with clarity the vigorous vetting process that the primaries have become. It’s much better for the Party as a whole for these sort of… issues to come out now instead of in October 2012 with less than a month to go before the election. It also shows to future candidates that no matter what, this sort of stuff will come out.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
were = *for ^
November 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
I used to think Cain was just running to sell books…but now I think he may just be doing it to brag about how much tail he’s getting
November 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Guys, Newt is and has always been a Washington Insider. He has made a lucrative career out of being a Washington Insider, lobbying for big companies to the tune of millions. Many congressmen have been personally called by Newt Gingrich over the last decade and asked to come off of their conservative positions. They have not forgotten what Newt was willing to do to make a buck.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
72.
Even if it turns out to be all liberal lies???
But who cares if it’s not your preferred candidate if it could help the one you like?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
There is movement within the RNC and GOP to block Newt from the nomination. Many remember how he almost ruined the party in the 1990′s and how he had to be removed as speaker. There are forces at work to make sure people remember what newt has done and how he has been spendiong his time since then (lobbying for big-government policies).
November 28th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
#76:
Just curious, who’s your preferred candidate this month? You’ve already gone through 4 of them; there are only so many candidates left for you to crash.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
#77 LOL
And there is movement within the electorate to block Romney. Guess who will win?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
74.
Telly for Palin
I KNEW Palin was only hanging around to sell books.
And turned out she was playing her supporters for fools all along by doing exactly that.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
#79:
Is this the same movement that was hell-bent on keeping John McCain from ever winning the nomination? Because they certainly did a bang up job on that.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Boomer,
After Bloomberg’s article today on what Mitt said in 2006…the immigration issue is now a plus for Newt.
Not worried about that issue for a second.
What I’am worried about is if Mitt starts ripping Newt for not being “serious” about Entitlement Reform.
If I was in the Mitt’s camp I would be screaming how we should tag Newt as “NOT SERIOUS”. That narrative would tie into many of Newt’s failing without having to mention them.
Mitt’s team could also include some of Newt’s crazy ideas that he has spouted off in Think Tanks over the years……
Team Mitt has some options….but I don’t think this immigration issue is going to do well for Mitt.
Maybe in Iowa…but beyond that..nope…IMO.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
78.
Rombot,
ALL the Conservative So-Con candidates are fine with me.
That leaves out Mod/Lib Romney FOR SURE.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
rho rhooo. Another conservative the So-con’s dash to, because ‘he’s not romney’.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Listening to Newt…it’s mellifluous.
Really good stuff.
Really.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Do not miss this!
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1
He’s funny to boot!
November 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Is this what Cain meant when he said the Cain train was pulling into the station?
November 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
#85:
Newt’s a college professor through and through; he’s got the erudition and manner of a professor, even on the campaign trail. I’ve always gotten the feeling that Newt is at his happiest when he can give a lecture on whatever idea is bouncing around in his head at the time.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
#81 – Interestingly, McCain came very close to losing in SC to Huck and he would have lost the nomination imo if he had. And McCain has conservative credentials despite teaming up with Ted K on a couple different issues. He is also unquestionable pro-life and a veteran.
Romney sits in a completely different spot. His conservative credentials are suspect, he teamed up with Ted K on Romneycare, he’s only recently pro-life, and he has no military record or foreign policy experience. In other words, he has no chance of winning SC. None.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
84. You love it that he has low standards, and is basically an embarrassment to the GOP? We talk family values, but we sure don’t act family values!
November 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
#83:
Well, if you aren’t supporting Romney, then my confidence in him winning the nomination has grown by leaps and bounds.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
More from FOX 5:
November 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
74…..awesome post.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Cain definitely sounds like an Adam Graham kind of candidate now.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
92. She has financial problems.
What type of women do you think sleep with married men.
get a clue.
LOL
November 28th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
teledude,
I’m listening to it…the man is on fire.
The people are eating it up.
If any ROMBOTS were actually watching this they would want some of my Whisky.
Not joking…Newt is on fire!!
November 28th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
91,
Oh, you were thinking about ditching the flip flopper? Interesting because he’s the closest to your non-conservatism by far. Was it the constant pandering depending on which group Willard was addressing? Or the Obama-liteness that made you queasy?
November 28th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Newt spent the last decade lobbying for big companies, contacting republican members of Congress in efforts to get them to move off of their conservative stances. Why would conservatives support him now? He has been putting his thumb in their eye to make some money these last several years.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
66 – I was a Romney supporter last time. So unlike you, I didn’t flip around from candidate to candidate proclaiming them unstoppable for a month or two as they crashed and burned around me before moving on to the next as the same thing happened. My guy lost last time. So did yours. Losing a race isn’t the same as a jinx. Jinxes aren’t real, of course, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t amusing that you keep jumping from rising candidate to rising candidate and they sink not long after.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
97. Newt has flipped on so many more major issues than Romney ever has. Ever read his books?
November 28th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Telly the Palinite,
Palin wasn’t having any financial problems? That NEVER stop the numerous accusations about sexual misconduct by her.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
97. You do know that Newt made millions pushing big-government polices on republican congressmen and women while lobbying for Freddie mac and big drug companies, right?
November 28th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
#89:
South Carolina is an interesting case. There seems to me to be two real groups in the South Carolina GOP, exemplified by the state’s two Senators. First, the Tea Party, right-wing Jim DeMint wing of the SCGOP, Last time, they split their vote between Huckabee and Thompson last time around. The other wing is the hawkish, but also more moderate Lindsey Graham wing of the GOP. Most of them went to McCain last time around.
Romney, even though he essentially gave up on SC last time around (a mistake in my view), did receive 15.30% of the vote last time, almost even with Thompson. Their are two battles in S.C.; the one for the Huckabee/Thompson votes of last time and for the McCain vote. DeMint is going staying neutral, but Graham and Governor Haley are both probably going to endorse someone. Haley and Romney have a history, and I have a hard time seeing Graham go with someone like Perry or Gingrich. We’ll see what happens, but those two endorsements will give whoever gets them a real chance to win the state.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
I agree. what type of women sleeps with married men? But also, it does take two. ARe you really telling me that it’s all her fault, that he might not have known about those pesky little vowes he took? You ‘so-con’s have a very warped sense of family values, thats for sure.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Hmmm… then after the accusations, Sarah decided not to run.
Interesting.
(See how obvious it works depending who your candidate is.)
November 28th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
CR…that’s how you know those were untrue!
You don’t track well …do you?
– — – — – — – –
Smack…it is awesome!
November 28th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
lecture on whatever idea is bouncing around in his head at the time.
89.PabloZed Says:
November 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
#81 – Interestingly, McCain came very close to losing in SC to Huck and he would have lost the nomination imo if he had. And McCain has conservative credentials despite teaming up with Ted K on a couple different issues. He is also unquestionable pro-life and a veteran.
Romney sits in a completely different spot. His conservative credentials are suspect, he teamed up with Ted K on Romneycare, he’s only recently pro-life, and he has no military record or foreign policy experience. In other words, he has no chance of winning SC. None.
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Bingo! And without SC, you can kiss FL and the nomination good-bye historically for decades. Or since SC preceeded FL early on.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
“I agree. what type of women sleeps with married men?”
What kind of man associates with such women?
November 28th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
i would deny this one too. do a google image search and you’ll see what i’m talking about.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Palin said the sexual affairs were untrue, Telly.
Was that good enough for you? Why?
November 28th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
If voters in SC are listening to this town hall…whoa!
Newt is wrapping this thing up!
mucho applause lines…you can feel the love.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
108.
Democrats?
November 28th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Telly,
So only poor women have affairs?
November 28th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
82.
Smack. Nah, read the article. Its exactly the same thing Romney has been saying all along, no special arrangements, get in line like everyone else. Nothing has changed.
Themes are very difficult to break once they get started in politics and Romney has to wear the flip flop label even when he says the exact same thing over and over again. Its ironic that it was the liberals in MA who started this thing on the abortion issue but thats politics.
But this is what I’m talking about with Newt in Iowa:
>>“I count Gingrich as one of those who peaked and is now descending,” said western Iowa GOP activist Ann Trimble-Ray, citing the boom-and-bust pattern that has marked the Republican race to date. “Immigration [is a] third rail for Iowans and Newt landed right on it.”
>>His rivals know it.
>>For the conservatives trailing Gingrich who need a strong showing in Iowa — Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann — immigration presents their best and potentially last chance to knock out the Republican now standing between them and a clean shot at Romney. And for Romney himself, immigration is a potent issue that he could use to get to the right of Gingrich and raise doubts among the party’s base about just how conservative the would-be conservative alternative is to the establishment favorite. Then there is Ron Paul, no Gingrich fan, who appears to have a ceiling on how much mainstream Republican support he can draw but also has the money on hand to do serious damage to his rivals on the airwaves.
>>Santorum communications director Hogan Gidley indicated in an email that they’d be confronting Gingrich over more than just his immigration stance.
Ann Trimble-Ray isn’t just some goober on the street. She is a very prominent Republican activist in Iowa and an advisor to Steve King, a guy Newt has been courting lately. If she says Newt has already peaked and has a problem with immigration in Iowa, he does. And it’s interesting that the other not Romney’s are going after him and, well, not Romney.
As I’ve said all along about the conspiracy theorists who kept insisting that Bachmann was acting as a stalking horse for Romney their real target is the not Romney who is in front. This is their only path and Newt has a big old bullseye right now.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
teledude Says:
November 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
“She has financial problems. What type of women do you think sleep with married men.”
===
Are you sure they are the only ones. Period.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
110. CR…61 cell phone messages over a three month time frame. Almost every other day. That’s a lot o’ communicatin’ right thar
Herman is a Hound Dog.
Like I said, he should quickly divorce his wife and marry Ginger. She’s a cutie!
November 28th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
**Smack** What is it about Newt that makes you want him to be president? What I like about him is he is a great orator and has great historical knowledge but there are soooo many things not to like about him. He would be an awesome debator against Obama but would be so ripe for attacks.
Romney is a flawed candidate as well but has much less baggage to deal with. I also view him to be a very competent leader, especially with the economy the way it is right now.
Bottom line…every single candidate running is far below what expectations I have for a president.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
#103 – South Carolina is indeed interesting. I am not sure what it tells us but since 1980 they have voted for Reagan, both Bushes, Dole and McCain. The large veteran population probably helps explain Dole and McCain. McCain winning with just 33% of the vote also tells us they were not sold on him.
The only thing we know for sure is that all of them went on to be the nominee.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
yeah, she ugly. i thought rich dudes could do better than that, but i guess not. i guess if lewinsky is presidential quality side piece, then ginger white is aspiring presidential candidate level /
November 28th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Let’s recap. Multi millionare CEO Herman Cain with???
A gal with numerous cases of bankruptcy and evictions, unemployed, single mother with 2 kids……. target for use by unscrupulous politicians?
She’s been evicted 6 times!! She had a restraining order out on her for stalking someone with texts and phone calls. Yet we’re told she had a record of 61 texts/calls TO OR FROM Cain. Why wouldn’t the news specify which? She also has sex harassment claims in her background. This broad is from Cain smear central casting.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
South Carolina is Newt Country!!
November 28th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
999 will fix everything.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Telly,
Political dirty tricks. Its all Alinsky but people like you don’t want to see it. Fine, be naive as always.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
#120 Fox and the media should be ashamed to have even given this woman airtime.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
He’s guilty of this one. Seems more his style, the poor madam seems more credible. This, my friends, is why we VET. Romney 2012. No surprises, just competence.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
#118:
South Carolina does have this reputation as the place where insurgencies go to die. Of all candidates, one would think that Pat Buchanan (Mr. Insurgent, Mr. Protectionist, Mr. Social Conservative) would do really well there. He got clobbered by Dole; 45-29 in South Carolina. The Palmetto State doesn’t go with the most right-wing, Southern so-con.
Interestingly, only 2 nominees(Dole and W. Bush) have won both Iowa and South Carolina. The others all won New Hampshire and South Carolina.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
120. Yea… Evicted 6 times and she drives a 1993 Honda Civic! 1993!!! What a smear!
November 28th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
120. Were you trained by James Carville?
My God, man…you are an ugly human being
Cain admits this may end his campaign:
“I don’t want it to be tough on my family, but there comes a point when it becomes tough on my family, I have to consider that at that particular point in time.”
http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/28/cain-previews-allegations-of-13-year-affair-hints-toll-on-his-family-could-end-his-campaign-video/
November 28th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Well this is nuts we can’t support an adulterer……oh wait….
November 28th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
122.
999 will cure the economy and create jobs.
Something that 47th in the nation Willard knows little about.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Those aren’t the words of an “innocent” man.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
South Carolina is Newt Country!!
Yeah Baby!
November 28th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Telly,
LOL!
Coming from someone like you who endorsed Palin and her 70% national unfavorables is a great judge of talent.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
South Carolina is where Newt’s 2nd affair took place.
South Carolina is Newt Country!
Newt/Clinton 2012!
November 28th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Its amazing how people on here believe everything they see on the liberal media.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Text messaging ~ hmm ~ 13 years?
November 28th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
It’s amazing how people here will try to defend the indefensible.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Herman Cain has been thoroughly vetted. He has an excellent record of accomplishments, more than any other candidate, I might add.
That the public is so stupid and naive as to believe trumped up lies to hurt a man they fear is very disconcerting. The schools have done a fine job of dumbing down the people all right. They can no longer think for themselves, just blow with the wind.
How sad for a formerly amazing country! Does not bode well for the future.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Let’s see who do you support?? Huck, Cain, Perry oh ya Newton Leroy McPherson Gingrich the serial adulterer.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Ms. White seems credible. Herman Cain has some ‘splainin’ to do.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
No suprises, just competence.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Unless something big happens, Newt is the nominee.
This is giving me bad memories about 2007. It has the same sort of feel in the air…
Newt is a disaster candidate, and McCain was a disaster candidate.
Both had roaring comebacks from horrible summers.
Both withstood pressure from the base on immigration.
Both are not likeable.
Both had no money and no organization.
Both represented everything bad about their respective parties.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
And the media is PUSHING, PUSHING, PUSHING Newt.
JUST like they did with McCain.
And Romney is not doing the right things anymore.
JUST like 2007.
Gulp.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Republicans are stupid!
November 28th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
CR keeps trying to prop up undisciplined, dishonest, cheating men with the attack “but your guy has the first name of Willard.” I hope Cr keeps it up.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
142. I agree but Newt has much more baggage than McCain did. AND, Newt does not have Huckabee to bail him out.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
143. MassCon, cheer up. All is well. I’m feeling really good about Mitt’s chances. And, I disagree with you that Romney is making mistakes.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
[...] Herman Cain Faces Allegations of 13-Year Extramarital Affair [...]
November 28th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
If this is all made up, my question is why so many of Cain’s supposed friends want to kill his campaign.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
This is what happens when your intensions to run are not pure. Cain (books) and Newt (public speaking) were both positioning themselves financially. They did not expect to be where they are at. At least Newt is rolling with the punches better.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
I know that no one cares but I had the funniest dream last night. The bottom line was that Mitt fell from the 2nd story of a building and landed upright on his feet. After a he shook the fall off, he realized that he had a meeting in a few minutes and took off running as if nothing had happened. I know I know …..
November 28th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
151
I could see that happening.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
128. Teledude,
“120. Were you trained by James Carville?
My God, man…you are an ugly human being”
You’re just figuring this out now?
November 28th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
135.
138.
Ah the irony. Rich and delicious.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
The media always tells Americans what to think and who to vote for. It sure contradicts our image as big tough individualists
But I don’t think Newt will win. Those affairs were just too recent and too dirty. Bachmann or Perry will latch onto Newt like a pit bull and not stop until he’s ripped apart with conservatives. That’s something McCain didn’t have last time.
Cain needs to withdraw now and focus on his marriage. His non denial pretty much sealed any suspicion of doubt.
And for any discouraged Romney supporters, we’d love to have you pushing with us for Ron Paul
November 28th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
#152 Thanks for reading my post… It put a smile on my face. I worked for Romney in NV last time around, but now I live in the country and not close to Las Vegas. I am using my old yard signs up from last time until I can get new ones.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
#142 – Mass Con,
I have to disagree with you for the moment. The three biggest differences between Newt now and McCain then are: 1) McCain could “borrow” money and I don’t think Newt has that option; 2) McCain didn’t have to win Iowa and had virtually no org there whereas Newt has to win Iowa but seemingly has little org there; and 3) the rule changes do favor Romney in a protracted primary.
So I think Romney is still favored, but he can’t have many more weeks like the last couple.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
MPC not that discouraged to go from 1st or 2nd to 4th, but thanks for asking….
November 28th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
142 – I have to agree with Mass Con. The writing is on the wall. This has nothing to do with politics, it is personal. Mitt has become enemy No. 1 for no apparent reason. Unless a new recent scandal comes out about Newt, he will be the nominee, Obama will win reelection and the country will go to hell. I almost wonder if some of these people want an Obama victory in order to strengthen the strangle-hold they have on the Republican Party. Mitt almost saved the country. Too bad.
I guess it is time to just buckle down and pray that the next five years aren’t too bad.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
she ugly . fo real dawg.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
It is quite clear that conservative opinion-makers in the media are 100% dead set against Romney at all costs. They will do or say anything to stop him.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
161
Notice the word choice – “opinion makers”
In other words, about 30 narrow-minded, self-obsessed blowhards “make” the opinions shared by millions of lemmings and losers.
Quite accurate I must say.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
If people are demanding Cain come out and tell the truth about his affairs, then Gingrich’s affairs have to come out too..If he’s not telling the truth or if there are more woman out there, it might destroy the Republican party.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
158,
If Romney clearly won’t be permitted by the conservative establishment, at least make sure you get a candidate free of scandal, free of religiously-colored infighting and voting, and consistent in his record for decades. And to make sure that it’s you, not them, determining who will run.
Ron Paul does not have Romney’s executive experience unfortunately but he knows what it is going to take to turn the country around and will do so by returning America to core principles, limiting the federal government’s overreach, devolving powers to the states, and has promised to use the bully pulpit and the veto aggressively to stop America from buying the future of our children under mountains of new debt each year.
No other matter is as crucial as the debt that will destroy America if we do not turn things around soon. The whole Western world is going down. Greece is first. But America still has a tiny window of opportunity. We can avert or lessen the disaster if we act fast. Ron Paul has stood against the hypocrisy by conservatives on our spending for decades. He knew what disaster this would bring all of us. He’s the man to lead now.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
MPC I actually agree with most of his domestic policy….. I told my husband that I would vote for Paul before Newton Leroy McPherson Gingrich for the nomination.
November 28th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
This honestly makes me sick. There are very few good men left in the world, it seems. Romney seems to be one of the few. If the social conservatives hate this and feel good about nominating Newt, I will have lost all respect. Very sad.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Gives a whole new meaning to “secret combinations”
November 28th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
162 – Exactly. It is sad that our country has come to this. And they fool people into thinking they are thinking for themselves.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
164 – I would rather vote for Obama than Paul, I disagree with him that much.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
But I will root for Paul in Iowa. I think Paul winning in Iowa is Romney’s best chance of winning. Use Paul like McCain used Huckabee in 2008. Romney supporters should pull a West Virginia and caucus for Paul in Iowa.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
MPC, while I strongly disagree with jax about voting for Obama over Paul, I don’t think Ron Paul is in any better position to win than Romney is. In spite of the discouragement of recent weeks (remember when Perry got in?) Romney still has as good a chance as anyone to win. I respect that you prefer Paul to Romney, I just don’t see Romney supporters jumping into the Ron Paul camp unless Romney drops out or hits single digits.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
I don’t share the pessimism of my fellow Romneyites. Newt is having his moment in the sun, basking in the glow fo his rising poll numbers. But it won’t last. Newt’s baggage, both personal and otherwise won’t be glossed over forever and his numbers will start to go down.
As for the McCain-Gingrich parallel what people often forget is that there was a key event that helped McCain start to climb. And it wasn’t Huckabee’s win in Iowa. What happened was the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. That event crystalized the importance of national security. People realized what was at stake and McCain’s record on that important topic helped him start to climb.
Once folks get into the voting booth and they look at the choices, they’ll realize that no matter how much they like Newt he just can’t win. Romney might not make their hearts go pitter-patter, but they know he can beat Obama, and that’s what matters.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Hugh Hewitt just said on Hannity’s show that Gingrich might not make the December 7th filing date in many States….
FOX is so anti-Romney….Gretta just showed the new Obama ad against him, then she and her guest proceeded to tear him apart…
November 28th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
172 – Another big difference, McCain was behind in the polls when Bhutto was assassinated. It is clear people don’t really care about the truth in this election. It is all about red meat and lies.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
164 – I would rather vote for Obama than Paul, I disagree with him that much.
I hope you don’t have sour grapes if someone else did the same thing.
I’d never waste an hour to vote for Obama though
November 28th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
#142 and #143 Mass Con,
For those of us Mitt supporters who lived through 2008, it’s hard to not feel as if we’ve seen this movie before and we don’t like how it ends but as similar as a surging Gingrich replete with the Union Leader endorsement is to McCain circa 2008, there are some critical differences.
First of all, McCain, though dead in the water, was always the ‘next in line’ guy and McCain always had lots of other politicians lined up behind him. When he began to turn things around, the endorsements came in droves. Newt has neither of those advantages. Romney has both of them. McCain, having run before also had state-wide organizations already in place and ready to be re-launched. Gingrich doesn’t but again Romney does. McCain was also fully vetted when he came back to life by virtue of having run before. Gingrich hasn’t been vetted but Romney has.
Although I feel the same sense of alarm you do, Gingrich doesn’t have a few critical advantages John McCain had in ’08 so the re-make of this movie may or may not end the same.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Jaxemer,
I’m sort of curious what you hate about Ron Paul so much – is it entirely foreign policy?
November 28th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
MPC..
If Romney does not get the nomination strictly because of the way the conservatives/Tea Party Republicans treated him, then there just might be a lot of Romney people supporting Ron Paul.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
MPC:
I’m a Romneyite, but I will never, ever support Ron Paul. His foreign policy views are totally, completely unacceptable, and foreign policy is so critical in choosing a President. Foreign policy is more controlled by the President than almost any other aspect of public policy so the President matters.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
#159 Jax,
I agree with most of what you said. Fox News and talk radio are against Romney and it is personal but that’s nothing new. They’ve been against him all along and he’s done relatively well with voters in polling in spite of that.
It’s only logical that Fox would want one of their hires like Gingrich to win because he can be controlled by Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes. Romney is his own man and beholden to no one. Of course Fox doesn’t want him but despite Ailes’ bold pronouncement that he will pick the nominee, it’s still up to the people.
With your second point, I agree completely. If we nominate Gingrich, we will lose. I have no doubt about that. I don’t see that Newt makes us competitive in a single new state and the media will only gave him a pass on his affairs until he gets the nomination.
November 28th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
“Cain had 13-year affair” is not enough to end a campaign which has Newt Gingrich as the front-runner.
“Cain had affair with 13-year old” may not even be enough with Newt Gingrich as the front-runner.
November 28th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
I still think Romney will be the Nominee…Gingrich has been pretty arrogant the last couple of days…and an arrogant Gingrich is a real turn-off.
November 28th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Well, I think Romney can survive losing the UL endorsement and he should be able to come up with way to harmonize his statements on immigration, but the pending collapse of Cain probably means Iowa is not winnable.
November 28th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
177 – I just don’t like ideologues who put theories ahead of reality. I also think he and his supporters are too sure that they are right about everything, even when they are proven to be wrong. That is more dangerous than a wrong-headed hack like Obama, because at least Obama cares a little about his popularity and legacy.
November 28th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
183 – Not hard to harmonize statements that aren’t contradictory.
The only way Romney wins the nomination is if people start telling the truth about Gingrich. If Romney is the one that has to do it, then he will have to do it. It will get ugly though and his hands will get dirty. I still have a little hope that there will be enough honest conservatives out there that will recognize the farce that is Newt Gingrich. I hope all this Newt infatuation is for media ratings and that it will all end in a few weeks, because if it isn’t, we are in store for some rough days ahead.
November 28th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
“Not hard to harmonize statements that aren’t contradictory.”
I get it. Romney supporters don’t see it, but everyone else does. It’s the same with the flip-flops. Romney and supporters say most are fabricated, but most people see it differently. That is why the DNC ad is so effective. Romney’s response was the statements are not in context, but he can’t say he didn’t say them. And that is all voters need to hear.
November 28th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
186 – How can you see something that is contradicted if you extend the clip you are relying on by 10 seconds?
November 28th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
186 – Selective editing of sound clips is a technique as old as sound recordings themselves. It has happened since the beginning of politics. What is sad is that people are still falling for it.
Romney has many flaws, many of which I have identified on this site. The need to create new ones out of lies is just a sign of laziness. If you are going to oppose him, be my guest, but be honest about it.
November 28th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
186:
A big lie told often enough…
November 28th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
177
I don’t know about Jax, but for me it’s the fact that in all his many, many years in the House, he’s accomplished nothing. Sponsored no bills that got passed.
He has no ability to persuade, to negotiate, to compromise.
He’d get nothing done.
Plus, many of his foreign policy views are downright scary.
I think his voice has been good for our party. He gets people thinking. But, he could never get elected and if he did he could never get anything done.
November 28th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Why and when did so many Romney supporters, here, become so fatalistic?
Is there any reason to believe Newt won’t follow the same trajectory as the other FOTM?
We’re actually lucky it started so early, so he still has a chance to have the spotlight shone on him so he can begin his inevitable decline.
Did I miss something that’s got so many of you worried?
November 29th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Keith I think we have watched the rise and fall of so many other candidates and now Newt….I feel that he represents so much that is wrong with Washington and see our fellow GOP so desperate to select anyone but Romney. CR and Smack dominate most threads and are both VERY snarky. The secret meetings against Mitt, it is all so anti American. It is very disheartening. I believe all should vote their choice that is what we fight for, but politics is for the mean and hard hearted. No wonder so many Americans no longer vote.
November 29th, 2011 at 12:22 am
Smack, I know I’m tardy here but wanted to second your estimation of the immigration problem Mitt is having.
Every moment Mitt is focused on jobs and the economy, he is winning. Every second he is trying to prove his conservative bonafides through the immigration issue is a loser of a moment for him.
Watch Mitt closely and you clue in that he is very big on obeying the law . . . no pardons, enforce even stuff he doesn’t agree with if it’s the law and his duty as governor, etc.
He may feel as strongly as he is portraying to us his commitment to the issue, I think it stems more from his strictness about the law, but it’s still a loser of an issue for him.
Would Newt rather talk about immigration or the economy going up against Mitt? Easy answer.
November 29th, 2011 at 12:34 am
Adam G just did a cover up post on it above. I posted this link, and I’m pretty darn sure in the interest of making Cain look like a choir boy, adam will erase it. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69257.html
November 29th, 2011 at 1:46 am
Jonathan,
I respect your opinion, but let’s think about this. Is it ever right for the country to back down and not respond hyper-aggressively to potential threats? I think there’s a good case to be made that pushing harder in many cases just provokes more resistance. With hindsight, wouldn’t it have been better not to mess with Vietnam in the first place? Despite all the sheer force brought to bear on that country, as we saw there are limits to what that force can accomplish. America has no contest in a game of sheer force. But doesn’t history in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan suggest that we must be wary of over-reliance on brute force?
Given that America only has finite resources, I’m sure you understand that we have to carefully allocate them. Especially in light of the fact that we are deep in debt. While our absolute strength would wipe Iran from the face of the planet, if in order to do so we’d have to bury ourselves and our children even deeper in debt, it’s not much of an advantage is it?
I think we all recognize the need for a robust defense which can punish our enemies if we are attacked. But if Bin Laden by one terrorist attack provokes America into a retaliation that bleeds us to death financially, isn’t he getting what he wanted all along? The wars cost so much, and the gain from them just isn’t there. If you don’t believe me, go ask your neighbors what the wars in the Middle East have done for America. Nothing, but land us deeper in debt. I don’t know how we can be serious about balancing our budget and still endorse rampant military adventurism abroad. We can’t ask for welfare and entitlement cuts at home and still preserve goodies for the Israelis and Saudis and open ended promises of defense to half the world. We have to ask ourselves what we are getting for our dollars. We are spending a lot, but not getting much at all.
In consideration of this, Ron Paul’s foreign policy makes a lot of sense. I feel that if we do not begin to use our foreign policy and military force more cautiously, we will so badly imperil our fiscal state in overextension that our ability to use them will be permanently crippled. No nation ever *wants* to pull back on its own. But history tends to force them to do so once their finances begin to tank. The cases of this in history are too many to count. I don’t want us to be one of them.
November 29th, 2011 at 2:05 am
195. Yes, more cautiously. But, Ron wants nearly universal withdrawal. He doesn’t seem to understand strategic positioning.
We need bases and our ships patrolling in strategic areas so we’re ready to respond when necessary and we have supply lines in place.
His ostrich in the sand ideas are just frightening.