SurveyUSA 2012 Presidential Poll
- Barack Obama 46%
- Mitt Romney 44%
- Barack Obama 51%
- Newt Gingrich 40%
Among Independents
- Barack Obama 43%
- Mitt Romney 43%
- Barack Obama 52%
- Newt Gingrich 36%
Among Moderates
- Barack Obama 58%
- Mitt Romney 32%
- Barack Obama 65%
- Newt Gingrich 25%
Among Men
- Barack Obama 49%
- Mitt Romney 45%
- Barack Obama 54%
- Newt Gingrich 41%
Among Women
- Barack Obama 44%
- Mitt Romney 43%
- Barack Obama 48%
- Newt Gingrich 39%
Among Whites
- Mitt Romney 50%
- Barack Obama 38%
- Newt Gingrich 46%
- Barack Obama 44%
Among Blacks
- Barack Obama 81%
- Mitt Romney 18%
- Barack Obama 85%
- Newt Gingrich 15%
Among Hispanics
- Barack Obama 66%
- Mitt Romney 29%
- Barack Obama 72%
- Newt Gingrich 19%
Survey of 1,000 registered voters was conducted November 15, 2011. The margin of error is +/- 3.2 percentage points. Party ID breakdown: 35% Democrat; 31% Republican; 33% Independent. Political ideology: 42% Moderate; 36% Conservative; 19% Liberal. Race: 75% White; 11% Black; 10% Hispanic.
–Data compilation and analysis courtesy of The Argo Journal
November 16th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Obama KILLS Gingrich by 16 points among Independents, while Romney runs even with them.
Electability Case CLOSED.
November 16th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
That’s what I thought.
November 16th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
I still don’t get why Gingrich is trailing Obama by more than most of the others since his socialist stances on positions are the closest to Obama’s of the Rep Candidates.
November 16th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Gingrich fans: live by the polls, Newtered by the polls…
November 16th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Now this is more like it. Throw that McClatchy garbage out.
November 16th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
The men/women split seems very odd (why are both Romney and Gingrich doing better with women? GOP candidates NEVER do better with women?) but otherwise this seems perfectly reasonable.
November 16th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
A Rubio on the ticket makes this statistic far more competitive – and more than enough for Romney to win.
November 16th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Newt is not done surging.
You guys are looking at numbers as if they are static.
Newt’s General Election numbers were much worse than this 6 weeks ago….and they will be a little better than this 6 weeks from now.
Enjoy these numbers while they last.
If Mitt keeps giving Iowa and South Carolina the middle finger, he will do bad in both states and won’t win Florida againt Newt.
BTW,
This poll better have screwed up on their MEN & WOMAN breakdown when reporting this…because they have the numbers backwards..if not….then this poll is a joke.
NEWT 2012!!!
November 16th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
8 – LOL … we’ll see about that. Has he responded to the Bloomberg article yet? It is being linked on all the blogs.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
I’m buying Huntsman at 3.1%….
After Newt is done, I predict a Huntsman boom!
November 16th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
8.
Translation for those of you that don’t speak “promoter” –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
Smack needs to make sure that he keeps promoting the great and powerful Newt so he can be doin’ the Newtron Dance later on. Don’t pay attention to the same kind of polls that he’s been pushing and highlighting for the last 48 hours. Because now they don’t help his case.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
8
No Smack. THIS IS the Gingrich Surge. The biggest surge occurs just before they are spotlighted and vetted. You saw it with Bachmann’s bump, Perry’s bump, Cain’s bump, and now Gingrich’s (non) bump.
It’s all downhill from here for Gingrich. More like down(-mole-)hill from here.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
These numbers are actually quite bad for Obama….18% of blacks voting for Mitt Rpmney? Obama won 96% in 2008. I wonder why the overall numbers still show him leading. Are most of the undecideds conservatives in the Romney poll?
November 16th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
9.
It’s worse than that. If you google Newt Gingrich consulting it goes on page after page after page. This from a guy who called for investigations into any politician who received money from Fannie or Freddie.
And this is just the beginning. Wait until all his other flip flops come to light.
I can’t believe anyone took seriously a Newt Gingrich candidacy.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Darn it! Obama seems to winning a heck of a lot of polls lately and getting his numbers up overall.
Btw..
November 16th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Smack 1968
Wait until S. Florida gets a whiff of Newt’s ” Ghetto” remarks about Hispanics. He’ll have to turn that one over to Cain to explain
CraigS
November 16th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Ben,
If this poll’s breakdown of MALE vs. FEMALE is the actually coming from their data..well….the poll is a joke.
There is no way in hell Romney is down by 4 pts to Obama with Men and down 1 pt with Women…..same with Newt..(-9) with Woman (-13) with Men.
That can’t be. If you want to shoot the messanger because it’s SMACKDADDY fine…but if have to question the results when they MALE/FEMALE…2 MAJOR SUB GROUPS ass backwards.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
My instincts tell me that Palin really wants to support Romney but doesn’t want to look like she’s violating her tea party followers. I expect that she’ll wait until Romney wins the nomination and after that, she’ll be the most vocal voice in support of Romney in helping him unite the entire party behind him. Yes, the most vocal, moreso than Huckabee or Christie.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
#17 – Actually, I think the numbers make sense. Obama has been viewed as a bit too tough in international affairs (surge/assassination/Libya) and too willing to cut social programs. That value set appeals more to men than women.
Romney is not viewed as particularly strong, which is why I think he went a bit too far with his Iran rhetoric. So his appeal is flipped from the traditional model for GOP candidate.
The fear, I think, is that those liberal groups – African-Americans, women, hispanics – are going to come home for the most part. And the polling is already showing that. Liberals love to b*tch and moan and threaten to walk, but they always cave.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Boomer,
So now Consulting is bad?
Since you all have figured out that Newt did not lobby..now you are making Consulting a bad name?
Wait until the LIBS attack the way Mitt made all his millions…the LIBS will spend millions of dollars making Mitt look as bad as possible.
They can do it to anybody.
Don’t fool yourself.
Be careful Booomer…if Mitt receives the GOP Nomination because the Liberal Press destroyed every other candidate with all the Romney supporters piling on and always believing the worse of the other GOP candidates….then count me as not being very impressed.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Yes, Spanish is very “ghetto” don’t you know. Hey Newt boy?
Newt has topped out on Intrade I think… he is slowly sliding down again… when Intrade has him back under 10% he will have topped out.
The only thing I worry about is that it is so close to the Holidays and things may stay static until a couple of days before voting… so I hope they pound Gingrich hard the rest of this week… because he is the most corrupt politician we have and we can’t put up much of a fuss over Obama’s corruption when our poster boy is Newt Gingrich.
He is a historical figure… he is the only Speaker of the House to be voted out and sanctioned for ethics violations. And the vote was very very bi-partisan. Newt had only a very few friends left back then. He should not even be running.
That is pretty close to impeachment. It is the exact same thing for Speaker of the house. It is like we want to run Nixon. Who would actually be about the same as Newt… I can see Newt supporting prices controls.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Be careful Booomer…if Mitt receives the GOP Nomination because the Liberal Press destroyed every other candidate with all the Romney supporters piling on and always believing the worse of the other GOP candidates….then count me as not being very impressed.
The liberal press? They destroyed themselves. Did the liberal press go to those debates for Perry? Did they ask him anything at all that led to his flubs?
Did the liberal press convince Cain to settle sexual harassment suits then lie about it? Did they cause Cain’s lack of knowledge of the issues? Did they make that stupid smoking ad? How about Uzbekabekabekastan… did the press do that? Or did Cain do that?
And it was Perry who did in Bachmann… one of my favorites by the way… I still would love to see her considered as VP, but once the Tea Party deserts someone they never go back.
Did the liberal press make Gingrich have oral sex in a car with a woman not his wife, where his children could see it? The press did that? Or did Newt do it?
Did the press call the Ryan plan conservative social engineering?
Maybe you think the press should just keep things hidden for these clearly unqualified people.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
petunia,
“so I hope they pound Gingrich hard the rest of this week”
Who is they?
Do you know who they is?
It’s the Mainstream Liberal Press!
Do you want all Republicans to come to the defense of Mitt when he gets attacked by the LIBS??????
Do you????
How can you expect that to happen when you have used Liberal talking points and have pissed on every GOP candidate in this race.
AND THAT GOES FOR ALL YOU ROMBOTS!!!!
When your candidate gets attacked don’t look to GOP NonRombots for support.
What comes around goes around.
Just like in 2007 the ROMBOTS want to destroy everyone around them and then have everybody unite after a Mitt victory.
HELL NO!!!
November 16th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Smack-
Come on, you’re smarter than this. You know that Freddie and Fannie are poison to the conservative base, particularly after the crash which is when Newt did most of his “consulting”.
Gingrich has been very vocal in saying that any politician who took money from Freddie and Fannie needs to be investigated. Does that not include himself?
I don’t think you are going to find many people who believe that Gingrich got paid $1.6 million over 8 years to give history lessons to Freddie. His story is already changing since when he was first confronted with the $300,000 payment and now he says he doesn’t know how much he was paid and in addition to giving them history lessons he gave them “strategic advice”.
You can’t have this all ways. Romney has been hit repeatedly for being a liberal because anyone who comes from the northeast must be a liberal. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Newt spend years working with one of the most hated and corrupt institutions in DC. He can’t credibly claim all those tax dollars he took for working with left him pure as the driven snow.
And please, no more warnings about Romney. You keep pretending that he hasn’t been a national figure and vetted from top to bottom for years. They have been the ones who have dug up the stuff and created the themes (flip flopper most prominently) that people on the right have been using against Romney.
If there is more to find on Romney than they have found in the last 6 years then I doubt it is going to be very damaging.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
“Did the liberal press make Gingrich have oral sex in a car with a woman not his wife, where his children could see it? The press did that? Or did Newt do it?”
Is this the new ROMBOT talking point today?
Unbelievable!!
November 16th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
23.
Smack. The only people currently hammering Romney are all you not Romneys. You guys are the ones who started this war in the Republican Party, not the Rombots. How can you possibly expect us Rombots not to swing right back at your latest candidate?
Enough with the hypocrisy.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Boomer,
The Liberals spent millions of dollars bashing Newt in the 90′s..as they politically should have, he was the Speaker.
If you think Mitt has had the vetting completed you are delusional.
It hasn’t even started yet.
Mitt dropping out early in 2007 is not a VET job.
HOLY SMOKE!!
November 16th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
And yes they are going to go after Mitt, the media has been going after Mitt for months… in fact all those lies you tell about him come directly from the left wing press… so I guess that makes you part of the left wing press.
If Mitt loses you can look in the mirror.
The reason incumbents win is they don’t have a Primary.
And you have destroyed Mitt. This unfounded hate against a totally fictional version of Mitt has hurt him. It is fiction though so maybe when this is over we can get the real Mitt before the people.
If instead of going after Mitt like this, the party had unified around the only real choice, like they did around GWB this election would be a slam dunk… or at least very probable.
But instead the “conservatives” who arent’ even close to conservative have made it into a very close call.
Thanks for the socialism SMACK. You have brought the gates of hell to us.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
21,
As a Cuban-American, which makes up 85% of Florida’s latino population, I can tell you that us Cubans don’t like being viewed as ghetto trash. Before Castro, Cuba and America had alot in common. Both liberated themselves from a aristocratic European nation(America from the Brits, Cuba from the Spaniards). Both had help in that liberation from another nation(America got help from France, Cuba got help from America). Both were symbols a true free market capitalism. Under Batista in 1950′s, Havana was the place to go if you wanted to go somewhere great for vacation. The truest island paradise in the Caribbean. For someone who is suppose to be a historian, Newt should re-familiarize himself with Cuban & American relations and its strong bond they both had before Castro.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Newt was corrupt. His own party kicked him out. He was a dictator and they hated him. He was corrupt to the core.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/283328/cain-im-not-supposed-know-anything-about-foreign-policy-katrina-trinko#comment-379671
November 16th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Boomer,
I called out Pablo on that thread.
You have not called out anybody with the vile that the ROMBOTS have been spewing.
I have called out Craig for Huck and on that thread and many other in 2007/8 and now.
It is you who pratice hypocrisy every single day.
I do not attack Mitt personally…it is you and others who attack personally every day, and on every post, to every candidate.
Kiss off.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Ozzy that was a quote from Newt.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
The difference is SMACK the things we say are what is well known and documented about Newt Gingrich. That story is in Esquire. I think… It may have been Vanity Fair. And it has been around for years and I have never heard anyone say it is not true.
Newt can do that if he wants… but it is such an old story and it is told by his friend…
November 16th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
You do attack Mitt personally. You call him a flip flopper and dishonest. You question his integrity every single day. That is personal.
You don’t question his politics even just his honesty.
How is that not personal?
November 16th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Rush is off his rocker.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Smack-
Exactly what vile stuff are Rombots spewing? The truth? Newt has a record a mile long of flipping and flopping on virtually every issue True Conservatives claim they hold near and dear?
Nothing vile about that.
You have jumped from candidate to candidate like many not Romneys looking for any candidate to take down Romney and have been spewing the same talking points the left came up with when Romney first entered the 2008 race.
Thats fine if thats the way you want to go.
But don’t even think about taking some mythical high road that you and the other not Romneys have been doing nothing but supporting your candidate of the day while not attacking Romney relentlessly.
It doesn’t pass the laugh test.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
What Pablo said can’t be unsaid and soon it will be conventional wisdom. People like you are programed to believe Mitt Romney is evil. You know how the story started but it will not be long before it is part of that smear machine NotRomney site.
That is how all those other lies started too.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Boy, its getting nauseating around here. I am not even a fan of Newt’s and even I am offended by the smearing.
But taking down Newt and Cain will not gift Romney the nomination. After all the fighting these last couple years people deserve a contest between a conservative and a progressive. A true contest of ideas and ideals. Newt can offer that – at least.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
petunia,
You are the most hateful person who has ever posted on this site.
You hate everything that is not Mitt.
You have not been called out once by Boomer or any other ROMBOT.
I believe Mitt was a bad Governor and that won’t make a great President…that is my opinion.
But Mitt is a good man.
You, and most…not all….but most ROMBOTS spend all of your time ripping apart the character of all the other candidates.
That is all you do.
If Santorum rosed to the top most of you ROMBOTS would do the same to him.
No question,
It’s the same thing you did in 2007.
You tried to do it with John McCain and you are doing it now.
Dig your hole.
Newt, keep smiling.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
36.
The whole party is off it’s rocker.
Actually there is a sort of stupid article in Time about how it is really anti-intelligence… Mitt makes them feel confused.
I don’t know but I do know there is a tendency to want short simple sound bite answers and we have been doing that for far too long and it is time someone smart took a shot at it.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Is Newton like those people that donate to Obama and making lobbying job but are not register as lobbyist?
November 16th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Smack – which “personal” parts are you talking about?
I get the fact that there have been some over the top comments made by all sides over the last 24-48 hours. But you can’t tell me that some of the tactics being used to hammer on Newt at this time aren’t the same that have been used by the likes of Sojo, causist, Craig for Rejects (CR), Marque, yourself, and others towards Mitt since the very beginning of this season (if not even back to the last primary race).
So which parts are personal and which ones are fair game – in your opinion?
I have called out a number of the Rombots much like you have other Romnots. However, I don’t think that there have been too many things said about Newt thus far that would be construed as personal (I called out the poster that commented about newt’s weight). I know nothing about this oral sex story that is being routed. If somebody that is spewing that has a link to a story for corroboration then I’d have to say – character = fair game – if they have nothing more than rumors and story telling then they should definately stop blasting it.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Boomer,
“You have jumped from candidate to candidate”
Wrong.
I was a TPAW supporter (I volunteered for him) but he went out of the race so I backed Mitt. I never would support Bachmann over Mitt..Perry over Mitt and Paul over Mitt.
I’m not just a ROMNOT who is looking to take Mitt down.
Newt has won me over…….and he has with some other people as well.
Does that make us hateful?
Did I not call out hateful things said about Mitt in the last 6 months?
You can count more times that I have called out hateful Mitt comments than all the ROMBOT comments call outs on their own combined.
So spare me the hypocrisy crap.
You have no leg to stand on.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
No Newt offers corruption. That is it. Newt was kicked out for corruption.
I would find the negatives about Santorum… though I highly doubt there is sex scandal there. But no one is perfect.
The problem is Mitt is held to a far different standard. If Mitt was a womanizer… and if he should turn out to be, and I don’t know it now… I will not want him. If it should turn out that he is a pay-to-play politician I won’t want him.
If Santorum is next his past will be gone over with a fine toothed comb as Mitt’s past has been.
Obama was an exception to the rule not the way it should be. What happened when the media didn’t vet Obama was a national disgrace. That is what the media is supposed to do!!! They are the fourth estate. They let us down with Obama.
And instead of learning that it is wrong to do that… Fox is trying to hide things from us. That is just wrong.
November 16th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Smack – this is my point I’m trying to make with you. The Romnots have a consitent target to keep shooting at and they keep trying to knock it down. Just because the Rombots have consistently moving targest by the rise and fall of candidates doesn’t make them (us) any different than the Romnots that do the very same to Romney on a 24/7 basis.
I would bet that had the roles been reversed and Romney had been in the single digits until recently he would have been more or less ignored and then once he rose up he would have been treated much like all rising candidates (including Romney thus far and consistently has been) have been.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
44. I backed TPaw too. Then I switched to Mitt.
SMACK you have not supported Mitt or ever defended him when I was here. You always post polls and gloat if Mitt is down and cheer who ever is beating him.
You are a anyone but Romney guy.
I am completely shocked by you deningy that today. Everyday you are the prime accuser of Mitt Romney.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Keep smiling Newt, and keep going to Iowa and South Carolina.
The Mitt Camp can keep giving both states the middle finger.
Will keep plugging along.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
47:
smack did support Romney for a very short period of time.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
The party lost me when they went after the women who told their stories about Cain. I don’t know what happened with Cain but I do know he is hiding it and going after the accusers rather than letting the truth come out.
This party acted just like the left did about Paula Jones that disgusts me. There were settlements… it wasn’t made up… and they want to hide the truth.
And then the hypocrisy of turning to Newt… that is just too much.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
yeah – the seat is still warm from where he was sitting next to me. i’ve put a name tag on it for reservation for the time that Newt’s star falls and he heads back to get on the bus. I’m trying to find an open seat for reserving for tele still. The bus is slowly filling up.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
How is Rush off his rocker today?
November 16th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Ben,
BEST EXAMPLE:
ROMBOTS attacked Newt for spending his own money the way he wants to (Tiffany)
You know how many ROMBOTS have attacked Newt for this?…..maybe 50!
Are you kidding me!!!
What a joke.
You want us to defend Mitt when the LIBS start attacking Mitt for being rich?
I bet Mitt has an expensive rug in his mansion that could feed 100 family’s for a month.
Wouldn’t it be stupid for a ROMNOT to attack Mitt for that?
Of course it would.
But Newt is not Mitt, so the ROMBOTS attack him for having a credit line for Tiffany’s.
That is when I knew most ROMBOTS were more about the destruction of all other candidates then propping their own guy up.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Smack & Petunia,
Calm down here and go to your neutral corners. I myself am not one who takes too much concern on the so-called baggage. Even Reagan went thru a divorce. We’ve all made mistakes. Every candidate has their plus or minuses that they bring. What really matters is how either Mitt or Newt can help fix our nation. What do they offer and bring to the table that can help bring the US back to prosperity and its exceptional role and the Greatest Country in the World, not just another country among all other nations like Obama thinks. What does Mitt or Newt propose and offer in their ideals to help us and can they be an effective POTUS. That’s the real focus. As of right now, Smack believes Newt is the best candidate for the job, and Petunia thinks Mitt is the best for the job. Niether is right or wrong. Both have a different view on who can run this nation best and they are entitled to that view. Only in time will we know who becomes our nominee. But, for now keep supporting who you feel is best, but, let’s keep some civility and respect others who may support a candidate as long as they are preaching support for a candidate and not outright hatred for another.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
49 Maybe before I was here SMACK liked Romney… but none of the others was worth leaving him for so I don’t get all the hate coming from him constantly.
I stuck around Hot Air too long before looking for greener pastures. I thought Palin would drop out sooner and they would become sane. But instead they went off the deep end over Mitt. Then I remembered they got bought out. And I looked it up and they were bought by a Christian broadcasting company… so then I knew it was a smear site now.
And like it or not this site has started smearing Mitt too.
I have never seen SMACK say a good thing about Mitt. It is always the same old lies.
And he has been very hateful and posted the NotRomney site… constantly gloating over anything against Romney.
Teledude sounded reasonable for a couple of days then yesterday she went off the deep end too.
I dont’ understand the willingness to excuse infidelity of the magnitude that is true about Newt and may be true about Cain.
That is pure hypocrisy.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
If Mitt is the GOP candidate it is imperative that he wins.
But until then I will question Mitt’s record and his plans until his victory.
That does not make me a hateful person.
And yes, I will cheer Newt’s rise in the polls..and that does not make me a hateful person.
Newt 2012!!
November 16th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
SMACK the thing about Tiffany’s is that it was rumoured to be a pay off of some kind… and it was open, not paid. Newt is rich, but even if he has a few million it is hard to see how it speaks well of him to have an unpaid account for over $500,000 dollars worth of jewelry, it doesn’t speak well of his money management.
Now the accusation from former staffers is that the jewelry is part of an agreement with his 3rd wife to stick with him in this election. That is something rather troubling if true. In fact the accusation is that she wants a million dollars and his help selling her book.
That is not a normal husband wife thing and I think should be questioned.
If Obama was paying Michelle to stay with him, wouldn’t we want to know that?
November 16th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
“I have never seen SMACK say a good thing about Mitt”
Good grief.
Mitt is a good man.
Mitt is a great Husband and Father.
Mitt is a good business man.
Mitt believes in God and takes pride in his religion and community.
—————————————————
In SMACKDADDY’s opinion Mitt’s record as Governor makes me depressed.
So I’m not supporting him at this time.
Of course I cheer for Newt’s good numbers in polls.
That does not make me a hateful person.
The end.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Smack-
>>So spare me the hypocrisy crap.
Then stop whining about Newt rightfully taking the same shots you have been giving to Romney.
If Romney does become the nominee and you choose not to support him thats on you. Don’t complain that your won’t support Romney because his supporters were as mean to you as you have been to Romney supporters.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Ben,
Comment 57#
That is all I need to say.
Read comment 57# Ben.
So now it’s ok to runmor about gifts Newt has given to his wife?…and why?
Should we do that to Mitt?…really?
Did we do that to Barack…check out his gifts to Michelle….how about Bill to Hillary?
The real problem with all this is that I feel colder to Mitt because of all this spew and it’s not Mitt’s fault.
Ben,
Read 57#.
I really can’t say anything more than that.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
I don’t believe I have ever gone off the deep end.
I, like Smack, harbor no hatred of Romney and will vote for him against Obama if he is the nominee.
He is just not my favorite candidate, and he has really struggled making the sale with the conservative base of the party. His supporters want to blame the conservative base, but the fault lies with Mitt’s inability to make some kind of human connection. Period. He is just very poor at politics.
It may be more an issue of style…he just seems insincere. Coupled with his position changes (yes, I know all politicians have those) a lot of people do not trust that he would do the right thing under pressure. Maybe he would. If he gets the nomination I will support him.
But it’s not going to be handed to him without a fight.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
You know what SMACK I am not going to go back and see exactly what you said. But I have thought of you for a long time as one of the top Mitt Romney haters… but as I was accused at Hot Air of hating Sarah Palin when I didn’t at all hate Sarah Palin… I just wanted some answers about her record.
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Though I am on my last nerve about hearing the same distortions and lies.
You can see that Romney is not treated the same as these others can’t you? They have truly serious issues. Romney’s are so mild compared to them.
Actually that is why I decided to back Romney… I thought the MA healthcare thing was a big deal until he took care of it in that presentation and then started really pushing HSA… which I had once and I loved!!!!
And then I did read how really different the situations were and how the very ideas came from Newt Gingrich and the Heritage foundation and how they were stabbing Mitt in the back… I got on board and I’m not leaving.
Unless he turns out to be corrupt too. But so far so good.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Boomer,
Can you read?
I have always said I will support Mitt if he is our nominee.
It is imperative that Mitt defeats Obama.
Take a breath and read what I say.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Teledude,
Exactly.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Have either of you gone to the http://www.whyromney.com site? Yes it is a pro-Romney site… but they can’t make you believe it if you don’t believe it so I don’t know why so many are so reluctant.
I actually think the Not Romney site is trying to play on the name…
Anyway it tries to tell our side of that record in Massachusetts and the stupid stuff Mitt said when he got into politics.
It really makes it difficult to hear stuff like Mitt is pro-gun control… when what he has done on guns is anything but. He may have said some stuff… but what he did was really very pro-gun.
Just an example: He was accused of saying he was a lifetime member of the the NRA when he had just joined… and he did.
But that is because the NAME of the type of membership he bought was LIFETIME MEMBER OF THE NRA. He didn’t mean he had been a member all his life… but of course it was called a lie.
For anyone else that misunderstanding would have been laughed off… but I still hear it.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Smack-
>>I have always said I will support Mitt if he is our nominee.
It is imperative that Mitt defeats Obama.
Take a breath and read what I say.
Oh but I do, Smack. I do.
>>AND THAT GOES FOR ALL YOU ROMBOTS!!!!
When your candidate gets attacked don’t look to GOP NonRombots for support.
What comes around goes around.
Just like in 2007 the ROMBOTS want to destroy everyone around them and then have everybody unite after a Mitt victory.
HELL NO!!!
November 16th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
53. Smack -
Fair enough. I think the Tiffany’s LOC is irrelevant and a bad route to take. However, it was/has been/and probably will be the same mentality used against Mitt by both the left and the Romnots re: his remodel of his house in CA. I don’t see it as a personal attack – I find it to be a pointless commentary. If you see it as being deeply cutting and personal then I call on all Romnots to leave that subject matter alone!
November 16th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
I do think it is style. Part of it is probably North East and part of it is Mormon, which conflict with each other.
When I lived in NY I got very direct… so he should be direct like Christie, but he is also a Mormon. And it is a very Mormon thing to first say something good before you point out the bad.
He always says, Obama is a good person, but….
Turn on the BYU channel… their motto is “finding the good in the world” that is actually part of an article of faith.
“If there is anything virtuous, lovely, of good report, or praiseworthy, we seek after these things….”
And so, you look for the good first, because almost everything is both good and bad… and we are supposed to find the good part and build on the good part.
It makes perfect sense to me. But I can see how it makes him seem inconsistent. But it is definitely ingrained in him to find the good first. I can see it every time he talks. I’m not that good at it.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Teledude,
That always been the case with many voters in choosing their candidate. Ploticians are usually thrown into two tpes of classifications. The first is considered the elite. A politician who comes off as smart, intelligent, and qualified. But, seemingly unable to make that connection with the ordinary folks. Viewed as someone who is either out of touch or can’t relate to them. Romney, Obama, Gingrich, Huntsman, Santorum, Biden, Pelosi, Reid all fall under this group.
The other group is the rural. A politician who can make that connection with the people but, they are incorrectly viewed as uneducated, unintelligent, “a dumb hick”, and unqualified. Palin, Bachmann, Bush, Cain are all classified as this group. Only few can break out and be viewed as both smart and relatable to the people. Reagan and Clinton did it, but, it’s hard to find a politician these days that can.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Per nate silver, SUSA is the gold standard for polling.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Sorry Ozzy but I am not going to be part of a party that condone that kind of treatment of women. It is not just a couple of indiscretions it is a life style.
I haven’t cared too much about the Tiffany thing… I don’t think I have said anything about it, but I have gotten pretty angry so it might have been in a list…
But Money managment is an issue.
And so his his relationship with his 3rd wife.
Those things aren’t other to being President.
Character matters. And Newt was the only Speaker ever kicked out and made to pay sanctions by his own party. That is a character issue. And a leadership issue.
Why would we ignore that. Those things are much more than a warning sign about his leadership!
November 16th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Ozzy, I think the stupidest development and the crux of how we got to where we are is the goal of finding the person you want to have a beer with and making them the leader of the world.
I think we have been looking for the guy who didn’t do well in school… who connects so well… I think that has contributed to a lot of crony capitalism because these social animals got where they are by making deals. And deals lead to higher taxes.
I would just his once like a smart President. And I don’t mean someone who is so in love with themselves that they don’t think others know anything… like Gingrich… but I mean a guy who got top grades while getting two simultaneous graduate degrees from Harvard and raising a family at the same time.
That is work ethic and brains.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Smack –
Past the Tiffany’s thing – are there subjects that have been brought up that you feel are “out of line” for vetting….er….attacking Newtron on? Just want to make sure that we aren’t going to be doing rib shots at eachother once you come back to your seat on the Romney bus.
November 16th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Petunia,
What’s your alternative? The democrats? Look at how they treated Hillary in favor of Obama. Look how brutally they’ve smeared both Palin and Bachmann.
The GOP isn’t trying to smear women. They(like the rest of us) want to know the truth about what happened. You may not see it, but, there something doesn’t add up about both Cain’s story nor the ladies’ stories. And with Gloria Allred, who I wouldn’t trust as far as I can shoot her out of a cannon(wish I could), involved in this case, something stinks of a major controversy meant to grab headlines only.
November 16th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
There is no alternative… I’ll get some other hobby and let the world burn around me.
I will not trust Republicans again after I have seen this Primary.
Attacking what may well be victims of powerful men was done by both sides. There is no difference.
And trying to pretend the charges are not pertinent to Cain’s character is also the same. ONly this time it was the people at Fox and on the radio who I had come to trust doing it.
I have already written off the left and there is no alternative yet. But if the far right keeps acting like hypocrites there will be a middle party who doesn’t sell out our values to win elections.
I don’t like Gloria Allred but I don’t think she has backed women who were lying. Maybe some I don’t remember… but I remember she back women who were victims of powerful men. Tiger Woods did what she claimed. And the rest did too I’m pretty sure. So I find no reason not to believe her. Liking her is different from not trusting her.
It is pretty telling when Gloria Allred is blamed for Tiger Wood’s shameful behavior. Isn’t that backwards?
=== New stuff…
I saw a headline that Newt is putting out the Freddie Mac records… that is good. If he is cleared on that and he does become the nominee that will be a relief to know he didn’t protect Freddie Mac… because… well I can only take so much hypocrisy.
But… Newt was below 10% on Intrade… which was my point I said earlier that if he went below that then his surge was over… so we will see if I’m right about that.
Did you go to whyromney.com? Do you still think Romney is the devils spawn? Or might some of the things the left and far right are pushing be lies?
Character matters and so far the Republican Party does not have much character.
November 16th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
petunia-
You’re painting with a pretty broad brush when you say the Republican Party doesn’t have much character. There are lots and lots of people in the Republican Party and all you are seeing so far is the diehards who live and breath politics.
This stuff happens every primary on both sides of the aisle. Inferior candidates tend to get weeded out, not always but usually. Romney has taken the full assault of the not Romney crowd and he is only becoming a stronger, more attractive candidate.
Keep fighting for your beliefs but don’t accuse all people in the Party people of low character because of the actions of a fews.
November 16th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
76,
Right on, Boomer. As Mr. Spock once said, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or of the one.” Truer words have never been spoken. Or at least on Star Trek.
November 16th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Bachmann SLAMS Gingrich
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57325744-503544/bachmann-attacks-gingrich-for-working-with-pelosi-taking-money-from-freddie-mac/
November 16th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Ozzy-
I have been, and ever shall be, your friend.
Live long and prosper.
November 16th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Smack does what he does, but then he’ll post some really insightful things that truly show the depth of his knowledge and fair demeanor. In fact had Christie gotten in to the race, I think Smack would have gotten behind him in a second. He backed McCain last go round so he obviously doesn’t hold himself to certain litmus tests. Smack and I would have totally agreed on Christie…I would have stayed with Romney to fight the good fight, but we would have seen eye to eye on Chistie. Newts a different story for me…I wrote a post about character mattering to ME, so I won’t go into that again, but Smack was very respectful of my opinion on the matter and that stuck with me. I do think Gingrich’s record is fair game…not sure if there is anything to this Freddie and Fannie stuff, I just think Newt plays the game as good as any. He’s good on the debates and dropping effective lines of attack and reason…he better be, he got paid to do that for a decade and if he sucked with those skills he certainly wouldn’t have been on TV as much as he was. Ultimately Newt was involved in Washington D.C. for decades, and while I see some advantages to that, there’s a reason legislatures haven’t made the best Presidents.
I’ve been guilty of letting my emotions get the best of me concerning Newt the last few days, but it’s just perplexed me that the ABR’s would embrace a man that seems to have many of the same defficiencies that I’ve been hearing for the last three years thrown at Mitt, so to ME it has felt like the goal of the ABR’s was never about Purity or Trust…just taking down Romney.
Keep posting Smack and definitely know that your support for Gingrch gets a “Hell Yeah” from me. You said earlier that Gingrich won you over…more power to you and I expect you to keep blasting Gingrich from the rooftops.