Bad news for Romney here:
Newly obtained White House records provide fresh details on how senior Obama administration officials used Mitt Romney’s landmark health-care law in Massachusetts as a model for the new federal law, including recruiting some of Romney’s own health care advisers and experts to help craft the act now derided by Republicans as “Obamacare.”
The records, gleaned from White House visitor logs reviewed by NBC News, show that senior White House officials had a dozen meetings in 2009 with three health-care advisers and experts who helped shape the health care reform law signed by Romney in 2006, when the Republican presidential candidate was governor of Massachusetts. One of those meetings, on July 20, 2009, was in the Oval Office and presided over by President Barack Obama, the records show.
“The White House wanted to lean a lot on what we’d done in Massachusetts,” said Jon Gruber, an MIT economist who advised the Romney administration on health care and who attended five meetings at the Obama White House in 2009, including the meeting with the president. “They really wanted to know how we can take that same approach we used in Massachusetts and turn that into a national model.”
While this may be a liability for Romney now, it’ll be even worse if Romney makes it into a General Election Campaign, as he’ll try to criticize Obamacare, only to have Obama remind him that Romney’s Massachusetts health care advisors provided vital assistance in getting the thing ready. (Hat Tip: Hot Air.)
October 11th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Oh, cool, it’s Adam.
October 11th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Could also help him against Obama.
Romney will look like a knowledgeable guy.
October 11th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Don’t forget .it was the Heritage Foundation, A CONDERVATIVE think tank that helped Romney to develope the Mass health care plan. So, don’t think this”revelation” will hurt Mitt as much as you think or hope
October 11th, 2011 at 9:59 am
You really do hate Mitt don’t you Adam? I kept thinking I’d stay away from the Rombot crowd that seem to have a problem with your posts but the more I’ve been watching your posts over the last few weeks I find it interesting to see how you tend to post things that are obviously anti-Romney. Not just “informative” material as Kavon suggested was your intent. There is an apparent disdain that you portray.
It’s sad really. It is what it is, and more power to you in your hatred – but it’s sad.
Saying that some people that talked w/ Romney in putting together a STATE specific plan and then Obama brings a few of them to DC to try to pick their brain on how to use pieces of that to make a NATIONAL plan that Romney stated and has repeatedly stated was not intended to be a NATIONAL plan and was for MASS ONLY and this “connection” looks bad for Romney……..?
I guess in the same way that Perry’s false ad is trying to do similar liberal tactic smearing of Romney. It is what it is – just disappointed that it comes from somebody that claims to be supportive of the Republican Party/conservatives. I anticipate this type of tactic used by Obama – which is why it doesn’t bother me nearly as much since it prepares Mitt for what he will be getting more of in the generals (much like the Mormon subject matter).
Keep swingin’ for the fences Adam – you might just find something damaging – but you are running out of time.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:00 am
I’d challenge anyone who agrees with Adam to read this with an open mind and see if you think it is persuasive: http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Mitt-Romneys-Health-Care-Advantage-David-French-05-17-2011.html
October 11th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Wow, Obama talked to a few people involved in commenting on health changes at the state level. Your kidding right?
Interesting, I don’t see anyone from the Heritage Foundation being named here. Or the American Enterprise institute for that matter.
How about some of Romney’s inner circle? No mention of them either.
Not sure what the significance of this story is…
October 11th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Adam,
Romney explained this beautifully in the last debate, people in the Frank Luntz focus group stated that they didn’t understand Romneycare much until Mitt explained, they were impressed with his explanation. Heathcare at the state level vs it being forced by the Federal Govt…….I don’t think this will be as big a deal in the general then you might think, Romney will explain then keep moving back to the economy, jobs and foreign policy where he will bury Obama.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:02 am
I think that Romney’s explanation of a state solution versus a hostile federal takeover of the entire country’s health care system will probably sound reasonable to the voters who would just be tuning in at this point.
The election will be won or lost on the economy and the economy alone. Tell me where unemployment and income are in 6-2012 and I will tell you if Obama wins or loses, regardless of who the GOP nominee is.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:04 am
#8 Kavon
Damn, you and I are thinking a like, see my #7
October 11th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Romney asks obama why he didn’t me. ME, do you understand the word ME?!!! Guess not.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:07 am
This does not state “current advisors” They were former advisors. We also don’t know if Romney implimented anything they advised. He had many advisors and partners like The hreitage Foundation as TennJoe correctly points out.
The individual mandate was a conservative plan until Obama stole it and made it his.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:07 am
*call me
October 11th, 2011 at 10:07 am
This is a major stretch, tying this to Romney. So the people who helped him do what was constitutionally legal in MA went on to help Obama–does that make Romney responsible? No. He’s said it 100 ways to Sunday: MA care was a state solution to a state problem. Just because someone else looked at it and did something stupid as a result doesn’t make Romney responsible for Obamacare. You keep stretching like this, you’re gonna pull a muscle.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:08 am
4 – it’s good to have anti-Romney posters
October 11th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Its a “Damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t” situation.
Nominate Romney, and Obama can try to claim he was the inspiration for the program.
Nominate someone on a jihad against the program, who isn’t currently offering an alternative to achieve universal coverage, and Obama can point out that the heartless libertarians on the march again, leaving the poor / sick / elderly out on the curb.
Personally, between those two options, I’d consider Romney to be in the better spot. Obama tries to claim he was just copying Romneycare? Romney can just point out that he did a miserable job of doing so, and claim – as he long has – that what is right for Massachusetts is not necessarily right for the entire nation….even where they agree (on requiring people to have healthcare so as to avoid freeloading), Romney can point out that even the best action is meaningless if done in the wrong way.
Thats a much better, much more reasonable, much more sane, much more appealing position to argue from than the “let them die” viewpoint.
But of course, you’d never see Adam saying as much on a fpp.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:09 am
This is just funny. How long have they been saying RomneyCare was the “blueprint” for ObamaCare? Two years now?
Guess what? It didn’t work last time, and it won’t work this time. Romney has been VETTED, folks. That means people have seen every last skeleton (all 2 of them) in Romney’s closet and decided he’s still the best man for the job.
Romney’s leading in Iowa, New Hampshire and he’ll win ALL the early states, right on to Florida.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:09 am
“4 – it’s good to have anti-Romney posters”
BECAUSE….?
October 11th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Let us not forget that Obama wanted a much more sweeping reform but settled on what he got only after getting a lot of political heat. He wanted a single-payer option. He told supporters that they’d eventually get to a government-option, but that this was just the first step.
Intent is a huge argument in Mitt’s arsenal. He never wanted to stack the cards to usher in socialized medicine. Obama can’t say the same.
I’ll concede that this news is a liability for the primaries, but in the general election, Mitt will be the more informed candidate. Obama was the D student looking over the shoulder of the A student. But the intent of Masscare was totally lost on Obama.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:16 am
What took you so long Adam…
October 11th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Also, Mitt can say that he did it without raising taxes.
Reckless spending is one of the reasons the Tea party and most of America were so bent out of shape with Obamacare.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:17 am
I expect Obama to play the race card and social class warfare card against Romney. That’s why he and the dems are trying align themselves with the OCW protesters. Obama will say he wants to tax the rich and make them pay their “fair share” and is support of the low income folks, while the republicans are for the super rich. He’ll claim that example is proven by choosing as their nominee one of the richest guys in America in Mitt Romney. Obama will claim Romney supports his rich buddies while he supports the ordinary folks, and the “brainwashed” voters as Herman Cain calls them will fall for Obama’s speeches.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:18 am
This has already been reported on months ago. Welcome to old reality.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:22 am
So now we are putting a lot of weight into what Obama and company say.
What this really says is they fear Romney and don’t want him to get the nomination.
And the one advisory they didn’t call Mitt Romney
There is a major difference between a state plan (constitutional) and a federal plan (unconstitutional). But lets not discuss logical things.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:23 am
#22…Jason, don’t spoil Adam’s fun.
He thought the press had finally dug up a nasty little tid bit on Romney…and now you pour cold water all over him…
October 11th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Eh. So what. Look Romney is going to be the nominee. I love me some Herman Cain but he ain’t winning it all. Perry isn’t up to the job as he has demonstrated during his dreadful debate performances. The debate is over folks. Accept Romney and let’s move on and beat Obama.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:29 am
It’s all well and good to post the attacks from GOP Primary opponents from one to another, but to start digging up left-wing attacks on one of our own is toeing the line – ESPECIALLY when we haven’t got our nominee yet.
I think that’s a pretty cheap shot since this is a website supporting the GOP candidates, not the Obama re-election campaign.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:31 am
This is OLD NEWS folks — only 3 health care advisers, not conservative or political staffers to the Governor. NOTE: OBAMA NEVER CALLED ROMNEY to ask his advice, or any other conservative. This is nothing but desperation and pathetic attacks promoted by Obama and Perrywinkle, both who are sinking in the polls. NICE TRY. Moving on…
October 11th, 2011 at 10:32 am
You know the really interested thing about this?
The Obama administration never even drafted a health care bill.
The bill that was signed into law was created by Nancy Pelosi and the Dem House leadership and revised by Joe Lieberman to pass the US Senate.
This column makes no sense. It asks the wrong question.
The question should be who advised Pelosi, Reid and Lieberman!
Obama was only a cheerleader for the effort, trying to get any bill to his desk to say he did something on this issue.
Isn’t revisionist history great!
October 11th, 2011 at 10:35 am
There’s only one thing to take from this. The left REALLY, REALLY, REALLY doesn’t want to run against Mitt Romney.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:35 am
This is an interesting discussion in light of the debate tonight. This is a debate I’m going to be paying a lot of attention to for several reasons. Gov. Romney has clearly established himself as the front runner and thus I expect that the health care line of attack will be mentioned by someone. By WHO is the question that I have. I believe that most of the candidates are merely auditioning for lesser roles in a GOP administration and that makes me wonder, with the feeling of inevitability growing in a Romney nomination, who is really serious about being president. I do not think it will be Herman Cain, who in fact I expect might try to put finish off Gov. Perry tonight. Maybe Gingrich, or Santorum, or maybe no one except a flailing Gov. Perry. I will be tuning in for sure though.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Personally I fail to see why a good portion of the political Right gets worked up about the insurance mandate and how it was executed in Massachusetts. Conservative think tanks and Republican politicians have advocated for it for YEARS over single payer, nationalized health care or whatever Hillarycare was constructed as. I get the Federalism argument against Obamacare but honestly what IS so bad about from a conservative perspective to have states setting up insurance mandates to buy PRIVATE insurance, receive care from PRIVATE doctors and hospitals and have the government regulate the system and subsidize the poor so they can participate in the system properly rather than burden hospitals for ER care.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:40 am
IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!
Romney’s third cousin (J Huntsman) once removed also served in the Obama administration as ambassador to China, that wont hurt Romney either.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Ha Ha Ha
Bad News ? Romney was Governor of a Democratic state. All of the ” advisers ” came from the political and medical advisers that were resident in that state or its political community. Who else would you get advice from for Massachusetts … Rick Perry and his Texas medical plan ? I would be amazed if anybody else was consulted. It would be dumb to develop a plan for Massachusetts with Texas help
CraigS
October 11th, 2011 at 10:42 am
#31 -
Its simple. Obama won. Many Republicans will HATE Obama with every fiber of their being, no matter what he does or says. Therefore, its far easier to appeal to those people by simply being the anti-obama than by having to offer up your own ideas. Since Obama proposed the insurance mandate, that means they have to oppose the mandate.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:43 am
THOSE WHO SUPPORT HC MANDATES:
Co-sponsors of the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act
Robert Bennett [R-UT], Christopher Bond [R-MO], David Boren [D-OK], William Cohen [R-ME], John Danforth [R-MO], Robert Dole [R-KS], Pete Domenici [R-NM], David Durenberger [R-MN], Duncan Faircloth [R-NC], Slade Gorton [R-WA], Charles Grassley [R-IA], Orrin Hatch [R-UT], Mark Hatfield [R-OR], Nancy Kassebaum [R-KS], Robert Kerrey [D-NE], Richard Lugar [R-IN], Alan Simpson [R-WY], Arlen Specter [R-PA], Ted Stevens [R-AK], John Warner [R-VA].
Consumer Choice Health Security Act of 1994, which included signatures from:
Robert Bennett [R-UT], George Brown [R-CO], Conrad Burns [R-MT], Daniel Coats [R-IN], Thad Cochran [R-MS], Paul Coverdell [R-GA], Larry Craig [R-ID], Robert Dole [R-KS], Duncan Faircloth [R-NC], Charles Grassley [R-IA], Judd Gregg [R-NH], Orrin Hatch [R-UT], Jesse Helms [R-NC], Kay Hutchison [R-TX], Dirk Kempthorne [R-ID], Trent Lott [R-MS], Richard Lugar [R-IN], Connie Mack [R-FL], Frank Murkowski [R-AK], Alan Simpson [R-WY], Bob Smith [R-NH], Ted Stevens [R-AK], Strom Thurmond [R-SC], Malcolm Wallop [R-WY].
washingtonpost com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/a_lot_of_republicans_supported_the_individual_mandate/2011/05/09/AFi26Z0G_blog.html
How about George H. W Bush and George W Bush? Ever vote for any of them? They supported it too:
huffingtonpost com/2010/03/29/individual-mandate-now-vi_n_517097.html
What about Newt Gingrich? Yep, he was onboard with it as well. He said in his book, “Finally, we should insist that everyone above a certain level buy coverage (or, if they are opposed to insurance, post a bond).”
theatlanticwire com/politics/2011/05/gingrich/37707/
theweek com/article/index/215276/newt-gingrich-more-health-care-baggage-than-mitt-romney
Even Tim Pawlenty once called Health Care mandates a “worthy goal”:
politico com/blogs/bensmith/0511/Pawlenty_was_open_to_mandate_a_worthy_goal_in_06_speech.html?showall
youtube com/watch?v=E01OCQcvrHc&safety_mode=true&persist_safety_mode=1
Even Paul Ryan’s latest Health Care Overhaul plan has a mandate:
Referring to his proposal, he said:
“[I]ts mandate works no different than how the current Medicare law works today, which is you just select from a wide range of different plans. It literally would be like Medicare advantage, which is you pick among the plans you want and Medicare subsidizes the plan.”
tnr com/blog/jonathan-chait/88059/yes-ryancare-has-mandate
slate com/id/2292901/
crooksandliars com/john-amato/paul-ryan-admits-theres-indvidual-manda
Rick Perry even supported HillaryCare during the 90s in a letter to Mrs Clinton:
“I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s health care system are most commendable.”
October 11th, 2011 at 10:44 am
This ain’t going to matter.
This thing is Romney’s.
It’s all over but the voting.
I think Romney has deployed a brilliant strategy that actually gives me some hope for his presidency…this has been an almost perfect campaign for him. I say this of course fully believing that Bachmann and Cain are actually stalking horses for Romney to protect his right flank. They have done their job to perfection.
He wasn’t going to let what happened to him in 2008 repeat itself. (you may recall Huckabee’s hanging on to deny Romney the nomination long after he had no chance himself)
Romney has this one.
It’s over, barring something totally unforeseen.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:44 am
^ THERE’S your blueprint for ObamaCare.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:47 am
You see, before 2009, Health Care mandates were as Conservative as apple pie.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Oh brother.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:50 am
tele -
And are you becoming more comfortable w/ Mitt? I know you’d take jabs on occasions in the same light as Smack would while defending/supporting another candidate. Are you now seeing the inevitable train and getting on board?
You have been one I’ve wondered about which direction you would go after the Palin activity.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Romney hit 63 on Intrade
October 11th, 2011 at 10:53 am
36 – aren’t you infected by the Cain fever, Teledude?
October 11th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Lets not forget that chap who went to the white house exited with a $300K plus contract.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:55 am
41. Great numbers in Iowa will do that for a candidate. (Great numbers and lousy opponents)
October 11th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Guys, this whole ‘health care’ thing is just an excuse.
Conservatives don’t like Romney and don’t trust him…oh, he passed a top down government mandated healthcare plan? okay that’s why we don’t like him. No. That’s not really it. They just don’t trust him, for a huge number of reasons that can all be placed at Romney’s feet for things he himself has said over the years.
Arguing this policy issue is not going to change anyone’s mind about Romney.
His supporters need to realize what the real problems are and address those. Somehow, they need to give conservatives a reason to feel comfortable with Romney. He has been doing well in the debates, but just as it was hard for Governor Palin to overcome the false perceptions people had of her, it’s going to be hard for Romney to overcome the perceptions that conservatives have of him. It may not be fair, I can see that, but arguing that mandates are really a conservative idea is NOT going to gain any support for him.
It just pisses us off…
October 11th, 2011 at 10:56 am
LOL … this is ridiculous. The White House talked to Jon Gruber (an advocate of ObamaCare from the beginning) and that makes Romney a supporter of ObamaCare?
October 11th, 2011 at 10:56 am
As I expressed on the other thread, I’m starting to become concerned that Cain is becoming bogged down in the race issue.
Most GOP voters aren’t going to have any interest in a candidate stuck in inner-race squabbles…and the ones who could have an interest are not necessarily the most savory of characters in appealing to independents and moderates.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:58 am
42. No
I don’t believe he is a serious candidate.
He is only in this race to protect Romney’s right flank, which, btw, he is doing very well.
If he emerges as Romney’s main conservative counterpoint, I look for him to endorse Romney to unite the party against Obama early on.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:00 am
40. comfortable?
I’ll vote for him in the general. I might just skip the Iowa caucuses.
But I think Mitt has really put together a brilliant campaign and it is playing out to perfection for him.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:02 am
21-” I expect Obama to play the race card and social class warfare card against Romney.”
Yope.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Actually, the headline for the article
“White House sought out Romney experts for advice on health-care law”
Makes it sound as if they were looking for someone with dirt on Romney so they could design the program to his greatest detriment.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:03 am
50. was that ‘yup’ or ‘nope’
LOL
October 11th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Not at all bothered by this. Romney came up with a STATE solution to a STATE problem. As a result of masscare, he is probably more prepared and qualified to deal with the Obama mess. I actually think once the inital attacks come from the left, it might help him in the general. I still think most people want some sort of health care/insurance reform, just not a government takeover. People from both parties will see that Republicans aren’t just trying to throw granny and the poor off of a cliff and that there can free market solutions that can help the system for everyone.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:06 am
48 – makes sense.
Crazy thing, I’m beginning to believe that Cain is becoming a serious candidate.
He wasn’t, that’s certain. Is he becoming serious, sensing the potential, surfing some astounding ligns of political forces …
His editor might give him from short terms contractual engagements
October 11th, 2011 at 11:08 am
I don’t really see how race or class warfare works for Obama.
The condition of Blacks and Hispanics has not improved at all under Obama….and four years of class warfare have done little.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:08 am
….give him *a break …
October 11th, 2011 at 11:10 am
45
And arguing that mandates are really liberal just pisses us off…
October 11th, 2011 at 11:11 am
45. I agree 100% – I’ve been arguing w/ fellow rombots for months about the focus of the argument. The conservative argument is “personal responsibility” – not the mandate. The mandate was an option to try to deal w/ personal responsibility but it was the only option allowed by the liberal legislature. Mitt wanted to have various options (ie increased HSA accounts, bonding for showing ability to pay for health care costs, etc) but he was shut out of “choices” to get people personally responsible.
I don’t like the mandate part of it – but I can understand the logic behind it. Not that this explanation helps w/ conservatives – but that’s my understanding of it.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:12 am
What if Cain feels God wants him to become Prez?
October 11th, 2011 at 11:13 am
57. missing the point.whoosh, right over your head
October 11th, 2011 at 11:13 am
“It just pisses us off…”
When the mandates WERE being pushed by Conservatives, and they WERE being pushed by Conservatives, and were seen as a way to require personal responsibility, people were fine with that.
The fact that they are now opposed by many Conservatives because they are thought to do as much to expand coverage as to require responsibility, says more about the Conservatives then it does about the mandates.
I haven’t even seen anyone concede that the expanded insurance coverage is AT LEAST a helpful side effect of bad medicine.
What conclusion am I supposed to draw from that?
October 11th, 2011 at 11:16 am
61. you missed it too.
do I need to repeat myself?
October 11th, 2011 at 11:21 am
62
Listen. We’re not just going to take it in the ass every time someone hits Romney on his Health Care law. We’re going to defend it. You’re telling us we should stop defending RomneyCare so we don’t “piss you off”. Screw that.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:21 am
BREAKING
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65632.html
CAIN : IM GOING AFTER ROMNEY!
October 11th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Uh oh, seriously questions are being raised about Cain’s actual record at Godfathers. Better get this posted ASAP on the site, just like you did for Romney, Adam.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65624.html
October 11th, 2011 at 11:23 am
If Cain attacks Romney
then tea partiers will take him more seriously
October 11th, 2011 at 11:23 am
58 – well put… the issue is ‘personal responsibility’… but saying that isn’t as big and scary of a boogy-man as the word ‘mandate’
October 11th, 2011 at 11:25 am
65 – my politico story is more relevant than yours!
(Channeling my inner Craig)
October 11th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Cain is creating an interesting conflict for me…
I still don’t want to see him win – nothing is going to shake my support from Romney…
…But I don’t want to see him completely demolished the way Pawlenty or Perry was.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:27 am
What? This is old news. Next.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:30 am
55. Class and race warfare has worked for the Democrats very well. Look at the mess Detroit is in… and they still keep voting in the same people. Some Republican districts have very similar problems, in that the corruption from the power eventually gets to them.
From a demographic coverage standpoint, a Romney/Cain ticket is very appealing. From an issues coverage standpoint I think Romney would choose someone else. At first, I would have thought it would be a strong foreign policy person – but he’s shown a terrific FP team. So maybe it will be Romney/Cain.
Of course, we have the liberal racists out there telling Cain to “get off the crackpipe”. With that kind of tactic, the liberals lose badly (and I think free thinking people in all demographics see the hypocrisy.)
October 11th, 2011 at 11:31 am
64.
So is Cain going to show Perry how it’s done?
October 11th, 2011 at 11:33 am
gator –
I don’t know you enough to know if you were throwing sarcasm or genuine compliments.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:34 am
72 Perry ain’t Able
October 11th, 2011 at 11:34 am
72.
Well TPaw was the first one to “go after Romney” – then Perry crashed and burned. I guess Cain could make an attempt.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:35 am
63. Sometimes the best offense is a good defense. But not always in politics. There are other ways to put RomneyCare into perspective than trying to smash it down someone’s throat or engaging in a pissing match on whether it’s conservative or not.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:36 am
This means nothing.
If there is a Primary voter who cares, they tuned in a long time ago. And they made up their minds long ago, one way or another.
The people who still can be persuaded are going to think this is a bunch of nit picking. Unless of course Mitt fails to keep stating his position. He really has to make sure it is nick picking and that he isn’t planning to bring Romneycare to the nation.
Romney shows he is the only one with any ideas, so Presidents and kings come to ask his advice. That isn’t a negative.-
October 11th, 2011 at 11:36 am
74. Ha ha. Nice.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Well, let’s not count Perry out. He have been practicing his lines in the mirror. If he does well, Mitt can compliment him. “I see you’ve been practicing–not bad.”
October 11th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Rush is delusional and he’s egging all the candidates to attack Romney. The dude is nuts! He’s really convinced that Romney’s not conservative.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Lol
Cain:
“Boortz, at the tail end of the interview, asks Cain how he’d do in a debate against Obama:
“It would almost be no contest.”
How can you not love this guy!!
October 11th, 2011 at 11:40 am
“He’s really convinced that Romney’s not conservative.”
I don’t know if its so much that, as it is that a Romney nomination does much less for Limbaugh (personally and in a business sense) than does the nomination of some other candidate.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:40 am
He believes that Romney’s the easiest for Obama to beat! Think about this people. This guy is trying to be the driver of the tea party.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:43 am
So this means Limbaugh will sponsor Cain!
October 11th, 2011 at 11:44 am
The conservative shepherd (Rush) is overplaying his hand IMO. He’s no different now than liberals believing that what they say is stone. No one else is conservative unless he says so.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:47 am
[...] Romneycare Advisors Helped with Obamacare [...]
October 11th, 2011 at 11:47 am
84 – Rush is sponsoring Rush. He wants to be kingmaker this year and he can be that by taking down Romney. The conservative movement is secondary to Rush. Rush is first. The logic in his argument has to be that Romney is a liberal and everyone else is conservative in order for him to get his way.
October 11th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
This is the most useless and pointless article to be posted on this site in months.
No one cares if a few health care advisors who helped craft Romneycare were called by the President to help him craft his bill. This is was no secret, and it still doesn’t suggest that Romney had anything to do with crafting Obamacare.
In fact, Romney always opposed Obamacare from its initial inception onward. Romney EVEN OPPOSED national health mandates in 2007, when Obamacare wasn’t even a DREAM.
Keep trying the Romneycare MO, Adam, but it hasn’t worked yet, and it is insanity to continue trying it.
Too bad you don’t have your own candidate.
October 11th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris Christie will ENDORSE ROMNEY today at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire
Source Carl Cameron on Fox News
October 11th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Kavon, it is ridiculous that we have a dedicated anti-Romney front page poster. We have never had any such poster for Perry, Cain, etc. When Perry was flopping in the debates and had all of his crony capitalism stories in the press, they rarely made it to the front page here. I would see most of the articles linked to comments, but not on the front page.
It’s just funny that on a morning with so many polls showing Romney leading in many states, Adam was quick to post an anti-Romney story. Similar to what he did yesterday with the Romney endorsement stories.
I was under the impression that front page posters were supporting particiular candidates, but I didn’t realize that one could be a FPPer against certain candidates.
Can I be the FPPer against Perry?
October 11th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
The idea that Obama looked to Massachusetts to form ObamaCare is not a new one. There is nothing to see here. The important question is what was Romney’s position on ObamaCare? He has been against it from the very beginning and made a significant contribution to killing Obama’s public option through the election of Scott Brown (ironically, from Massachusetts). Frankly, Romney did more to kill ObamaCare than anyone else running for President right now.
October 11th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
4. As a Romney supporter, I actually appreciate thoughtful posts like this that point out potential challenges Romney might have. I don’t want an artificial “praise only” discussion.
We need to be open to the challenges so we can discuss them and be prepared.
I’ve found most of Adam’s posts to be fair and analytical and not overtly attempting to damage Mitt.
We should welcome such posts because when we discuss the election with opponents and undecideds we can be more prepared.
It’s hard to get fair analysis of Mitt’s challenges elsewhere because most of them are misleading or outright lies. So, I like coming hear to further my education.
October 13th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
This has to be the most pathetic attempt of trying to make something out of nothing that I’ve come across in years. The “Romney advisers” involved in consulting with the White House were his OLD advisers when he was the Governor of Massachusetts, NOT his current campaign advisers as the drive-by media would have you believe. No honest, clear-thinking person can lay that at Romney’s feet. Once he left office, he had no control over what his OLD advisers would to. To try and claim otherwise is blatant dishonesty.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
[...] arguments run into difficulty when they run into these stubborn things called facts. Like these, for instance: Newly obtained White House records provide fresh details on how senior Obama [...]