So, Romney beats Obama by 2%, with 14% still undecided.
If you’re undecided, it indicated you’re moderate, independent, or disatisfied.
How many of those people do you think are really going to suddenly think Obama need another four years to keep working his magic?
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If the GOP would stop needlessly dragging out the primary race, as some claim Christie is threatening to do, we might actually get to see results like this, or better, in a more official capacity – like election night.
Romney has been slow and steady and his imperfections have been on display for months if not years and it does not appear to affect Romney’s electability. (Waiting for the Perry/Bush, Cain, Bachmann, Huck argue that people do not yet know of Romney care despite over 80% name recognition for Romney….pleeeeeaaaasssseee!)
Romney has ran a nearly flawless campaign and could put together a great cabinet (Ryan, Christie, Giuliani, Daniels, Bush, etc.)
“The base of the party doesn’t trust Romney and I don’t see that changing.”
and the moderates, independents, and pragmatists we need to win don’t like Palin.
check.
and the base isn’t any more likely to like Christie were he to get in.
checkmate.
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Yes, the race is being dragged out. Challenger after challenger jumping in, and jumping in, and jumping in, and getting knocked down.
I don’t like pulling the bigotry card, but its entirely likely that if Romney were a Baptist from Georgia, rather than a Mormon from Massachusetts, this race would have been over by the first of August.
I don’t like pulling the bigotry card, but its entirely likely that if Romney were a Baptist from Georgia, rather than a Mormon from Massachusetts, this race would have been over by the first of August.
I actually am inclined to believe that, for some odd reason.
“I don’t like pulling the bigotry card, but its entirely likely that if Romney were a Baptist from Georgia, rather than a Mormon from Massachusetts, this race would have been over by the first of August.”
Perhaps. But that would have more to do with being from Georgia, than being a Baptist.
Care to venture how many Baptists have been nominated by Republicans? Much less, elected President?
A recent Pew poll showed that being evangelical is almost as big a knock against a candidate as being Mormon. The two groups had almost an identical share of voters who said they would not vote for.
New report just on Fox News that Christie still isn’t really feeling it despite the flattery of some influential republican figures. Thinks that jumping in and doing the fundraising necessary in such a short time frame (3 months to do it, and major holidays on the horizon) is daunting.
It sure sounds like a guy that does not want to run and is being prodded to do so by a group of former republican leaders, many of whom did not enjoy much success on the national stage.
Ahhh… of course the mormon card would be played multiple times on this thread — that’s just ridiculous and childish whining, folks! And it seems to be the Rombot go-to crying card much too often at Race…
True, Romney will never see the general election but that’s not the reason AT ALL. The only reason is, the nation already has Obama wreaking havoc — so Conservative Republicans and those leaning Conservative want to nominate A Conservative this cycle not Obama-Lite Willard. Period. “It’s not rocket science” – Rush Limbaugh.
We tried the McCain types in 2008 to great falure versus Obama.
Bottom Line:
THE Conservative, Perry smiles as CC and the Romboster split up BOTH the moderate voters and the northeasterner mushy types. WIN/WIN/WIN
Look, I was worried when Perry jumped in and zoomed right to the top. But Romney kept doing his thing and remained calm and now he is back on top nationally and in most early states. I dont think I ought to worry myself because Christie or whomever else may jump in. They will be vetted just as Romney and Perry have been, and they will come back to earth under the scrutiny. When you see what the vetting and debates did to Perry, you see why Romney has to feel confident.
Romney is going to win this thing and all of his detractors will get on board eventually.
15. That is an awesome poll, and it shows that if the general election were held today, Romney would be president. Definitely worthy of a front page post!
I don’t think it’s a fair assessment to say the race is being dragged out. For one, you would seem to be anti-democracy if you aren’t in favor of “the process”. And for 2, the longer primary will make our candidate(Mitt more than likely) stronger…and more sustainable. In fact, he has been vetted forever. There’s not much the obama camp will be able to pull out against him in the general election. They can’t run flip flop on him…because the people that they would be targeting won’t vote obama anyways. The question is, how motivated is the base to replace obama? VERY MOTIVATED. This is an ideal circumstance for Romney. If he gets through the primary, we will have an excited base(especially if rubio is vp)….and independants will flock over…and we’re looking at a wipeout general election. But shortening the race for the nomination doesn’t help mitt at all. We need to help his focus continue. As long as he looks like the grown up in the room…he’s the guy. And the longer there are other people in the race…the longer he LOOKS LIKE THE GROWN UP IN THE ROOM.
Are you still pimping your own fanboy or should I say, Mittboy website here at Race42012?
Who would go EVER over to your blatant homerism Romney echo love chamber except for possibly more weirdo Rombats? Wait, perhaps you are at the right place after all — we have at least three or 83 here you can recruit into your weirdo basement site. Take first — Matthew K, MassCon, and CF, PLEASE!
(1) DREAM Act (taxpayer-funded tuition for illegal aliens)
(2) Huawei (selling millions of acres of oil field rights to a Chinese quasi-governmental military contractor who sold spy enabled equipment to the British in order to spy on them)
(3) Gardasil (STD vaccines MANDATED for 12 year old girls)
(4) Budget (increased from $48 billion to $90 billion)
(5) Debt ($27 billion, tripled during his tenure)
(6) Amnesty (supports a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens)
(7) Bi-national health insurance (wanted to join Mexicans and Americans in joint health insurance accounts)
(8) Texas Business Restoration Fund (Millions in payments to his donors, disproportionately so)
(9) Ran Al Gore’s 1988 campaign against Reagan’s vice president
(10) Endorsed gay marriage at the state level
Rick Perry is a globalist FIRST, and an AMERICAN SECOND
Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border.
We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, “we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.” And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers.
President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace.
I’m not even a Mormon, not that it matters to you.
By the way, Right Speak has plenty of Palin supporters, including Right Wingnut, Ohio Joe, AJR, JerseyRepublican. It also has Texas Conservative and others.
And btw: i don’t believe for one second that him being mormon and from massachussetts matters. I believe the constituency that people link to that form of bigotry…are simply distrustful of Romney on social issues. In fact i KNOW THAT because that is how i feel.
I like mormons. I have a lot of mormon friends. Are there poeple less inclined to vote for a mormon? Yes. But that is fair game. Are there people less inclined to vote for a muslim? Yes. Why? Because our values are different. That’s why i don’t have any problem voting for a mormon…because mormon’s typically share the same values as me.
But the record is what matters most to people…and it is hard for social conservatives PARTICULARLY PRO-LIFERS to jump on the bandwagon of someone who was once admittedly pro-choice, campaigned that way….and who has a fuzzy record on the issue. But is that a reason in and of itself to not vote for him? Depends. Is there a candidate that is electable and closer to me on the issues? That’s ALWAYS THE QUESTION. Is there someone i identify with more…and i agree with more? People seem to get lost on that sometimes though…and give the wrong people a pass. Perry is a great example of that. On the surface i could identify with Rick Perry. But i’ve examined his record and know better. But people in my group will ALWAYS first run to the “christian” candidate and look at them. That’s why it was so important in 08 for brownback to fail at the strawpoll. Because Huckabee wanted that constituency…and brownback was also pushing for it. But that by itself only makes up about 25% of the GOP. Hardcore evangelical christians. 08′ was a special circumstance too because there were so many well known candidates in the race. This time around there isn’t. This time around the have more room to flock to the christian candidate first. But once they examine that record…the support starts to flounder.
I’m a Ron Paul guy, but i know reality. And reality is that the best thing that could happen for the party is for Ron Paul to win delegates in order to push the debate…but for ROMNEY to win the nomination. Because Romney is not only electable, but he is good overall on the issues. I like him much better now than i did in 08′….because he has had time to show me that he is consisten in his change in positions. I’m more sure of him governing pro-life now as well. But i will work hard to ensure that he does.
“I don’t think it’s a fair assessment to say the race is being dragged out. For one, you would seem to be anti-democracy if you aren’t in favor of “the process”.”
I don’t think so. I don’t object to people having a say, nor do I oppose voting. I think it would be desirable, however, if the forces of public opinion and democracy had made the voting simply a formality. If Romney were popular enough on his own, within the South, to the point that people weren’t crying for someone like Perry to get into the race, and Mitt were to have it wrapped up in the summer…that’s hardly undemocratic.
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As for making our nominee stronger – I don’t buy it. Romney has shown himself capable of being a fighter in the past, and nothing new has come out that would serve as extra vetting.
In short, the only thing this primary season has done is reopen the divisions within the party.
Hardly something that made us stronger.
Ask yourself – what has Romney done during the primary cycle that made him stronger that he could not have simply waited to do, with equal effect, until the general?
Yes, if he WERE STRONG ENOUGH ON HIS OWN IN THE SOUTH. That’s the point. He is not yet strong enough…so we need this process to get him there before the general.
How much higher do you think Christie would have been polled against Obama if he were actually running? He is the only other candidate (potential or real) I know of other than Huckabee before he dropped out that beat Obama in the polls more than just once or twice.
However, #17 Husky has a point in that Christie isn’t vetted yet. It would be interesting to see how he would do were he to get in. I don’t see Christie flopping in the debates like Perry. In fact, with his personality, he could very well shine. It would be his positions and record that would sink him if anything.
@RepPeterKing: @govChristie’s record “more conservative than Romney’s & may be as conservative as Rick Perry’s” http://nyp.st/o5ues3
First part of that is defintely true — who isn’t more conservative than the flip flopin’ Massachusett’s moderate-liberal-moderate-liberal-back to moderate if need be, Willard?
The second part of the linked tweet is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off — two year Gov Christie is not nearly as conservative as 10 1/2 year Governor Perry as their record and stances before and during their governorships clearly shows.
Christie has the heavy burden of Romney in the pro abortion choice area as well.
Hence Christie and Romney splitting the moderates in half or so…
12. “A recent Pew poll showed that being evangelical is almost as big a knock against a candidate as being Mormon. The two groups had almost an identical share of voters who said they would not vote for.”
I haven’t seen the study, but please define “almost.” What is the gap?
It actually doesn’t surprise me though. Moderates are starting to dislike Evangelicals because of their anti-science approach to seemingly everything these days. It causes people to doubt their credibility on a wide range of subjects when they are so openly convinced that anything any scientist says is anti-religion.
The big difference is that Mormon candidates primarily come under fire in the primary. The anti-Evangelical sentiments come out in the general.
I disagree. If we corronate someone who isn’t strong with a part of the base..then vetting them early will make them stronger in the general. People will not buy into the negatives against them in the general.
You guys need to check out 180movie.com it is a free link to the revolutionary pro-life documentary by living waters ministries. It’s going to change hearts and minds…and it already has.
One national survey, conducted by The Economist and YouGov.com, found that Christie’s entry would make it a three-way GOP race. Of likely primary voters, 15 percent said they’d cast ballots for the Garden State governor, 15 percent preferred Romney and 14 percent liked Perry.
“One national survey, conducted by The Economist and YouGov.com, found that Christie’s entry would make it a three-way GOP race. Of likely primary voters, 15 percent said they’d cast ballots for the Garden State governor, 15 percent preferred Romney and 14 percent liked Perry.”
…indicating Christie draws relatively evenly from Romney and Perry.
Let’s make a list of the TOP-10 Race42012 moderate leaning regulars who will be ditching Romney to join Christie’s camp the second the big man joins the race..
1. Dave G.
2. Metro
3. Smacks1968
4. Matt “MWS” (after he ditches T-Paw, Hunts Jr, then Romney..
5. Anthony D
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?
9. ?
10. ?
For those interested in checking out the Purple Poll WITHOUT going to RightSPeak, the Daily Caller has the story and links. It’s a nifty poll and the graphics/data quite extensive. Great Stuff
Of course you don’t like Right Speak. We wouldn’t stand for your immature behavior and threw your butt off.
You can cast as many impotent aspersions as you like, but you are the one on this and many other sites, with ZERO cred and leads the field in contempt.
Besides, with your swishy , flamboutyant writing style, it’s your orientation which was and has been, how shall we say it, suspect.
BTW – Did you ever figure out the ID issues you falsely accused me of a few weeks ago?
I know yo did, but as I suspected, you weren’t man or classy enough to say so.
“Connecticut isn’t a place that would go on anybody’s list of swing states but Barack Obama is in a statistical tie with Mitt Romney there, leading only 47-45.
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The competitiveness in Connecticut is limited to Romney. Against the rest of the Republican field Obama leads by double digits- it’s 12 points against Rick Perry at 53-41, 13 against Ron Paul at 51-38, 16 against Newt Gingrich at 54-38, and 19 against Michele Bachmann at 55-36.”
‘According to Juan Williams, Christie only will get in if it looks like Palin is getting in, setting himself up as the anti-Palin, since she would be unstoppable against the current field
” None of those [poll] numbers will matter if Palin gets in the race. She will become a media sensation. The rest of the field will be an afterthought. That is the moment when the Republican political establishment will send out the call for the one remaining political star on the GOP side who can take the spotlight away from Palin. That candidate is Gov. Christie.”
The only way for Christie to get out from under his promises and suicide threats not to run is to claim that the world has changed. Which it would have if Palin gets in.’
Can you smell the fear?
LOL
The problem with Christie’s strategy of waiting for Palin is that Palin keeps waiting, while Christie keeps promising he’s not running. A late entrance by Palin will make her look tactically astute, while a reactionary late entrance by Christie will make him look like a reactionary late entrant.
Nobody’s worked harder than Romney to get to where he is. And I suspect he’ll keep that up if he were to land the White House. As far as I can tell, the man never sleeps.
Mike Huckabee has been approached by Republican and conservative activists unhappy with the current crop of presidential hopefuls and he is considering entering the fray, two sources who have spoken with Huckabee told Reuters.
Unfortunately, sometimes this site gravitates from really intelligent insights and discussion between very interesting, informed minds to fending off troll infestations and their delusional obsessions. Which tarnishes the shine off an otherwise awesome place to come and get the latest news and analysis.
I don’t think I’ll ever see eye to eye w/people that totally lack pragmatism. Voting for a 3rd party in American politics does not demonstrate principles–it demonstrates an inability to see the obvious end results of simple actions.
Randy Scheunemann is going to meet with Chris Christie? Sorry to break it to ya, but if Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, and half of the establishment who backed Bush can’t convince him to run, Randy Scheunemann ain’t change his mind.
Acting blind to Romney’s history of major accomplishments is disingenuous, willful ignorance. Pointing out flip flops and pandering is fine, but don’t act like his record isn’t long and impressive.
#43 – Craig, you do realize that you are quoting a YouGov poll… the same poll that you called – and I quote (from 9/16) – “worthless”, “total bunk”, “junk”, “straw poll”, and “phony”.
Strange how you come back and quote it now, don’t you think?!?
66. I’m not sure I’ll ever see eye to eye w/ people that cannot draw a cause/effect relationship between voting for a moderate like Romney and getting non-conservative leadership….
Hey, in the news now…..it’s just been discovered who actually hung the moon….IT WAS MITT ROMNEY! Can you believe it! Yesterday I found out that it was Romney, as a young student, who actually discovered the cure for polio! Sonofa….I should have known they were lying to me…Tomorrow, someone will probably tell me that ROMNEY, not OBAMA, actually came up with socialized medicine….this guys is just AMAZING!
57. I am tired of people who think a 3rd party vote is worth anything. As our country stands right now, all that vote does is guarantee that Obama wins. And you can take your “dignity” down the toilet with the country as we continue to swirl around the toilet of failed progressive policies.
I don’t understand the christie obsession. He’s a pro-life convert like romney, he’s got LESS experience as governor than Romney, he’s considered a moderate like romney……why exactly is this group pushing towards a christie run? They have their guy already in the race. Christie getting in only helps perry.
Because the day before the deadline to file…palin is going to enter? palin is out. She’s not running…..and at this point it would just hurt her financially to run.
“Randy Scheunemann is going to meet with Chris Christie? Sorry to break it to ya, but if Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, and half of the establishment who backed Bush can’t convince him to run, Randy Scheunemann ain’t change his mind.”
You missed the point. Randy Scheunemann is not a polical man…he is a foreign Policy man.
In other words…….the launch is beginning…the policy psotions are also being talked about this weekend.
Does Smackdaddy have to connect all the dots for you people?
Yes you do….because he was explicit in saying that he wouldn’t run. At this point…..he can’t run. In fact…he would get destroyed. He would be Romney 08′ all over again. Christie would have to answer the same kind of questions…and will get vetted heavily. He would lose. If he was going to get in…it should’ve been way back in june.
I’ve watched Palin take a pass on every opportunity to run. I’ve watched her in prime position to jump in…and she hasn’t. Why now, when the gop voters have united against the idea would she jump in? She can’t win the primary even….so she’s not going to do it.
Vote for whomever you want. I could not care less. My point is that voting for a 3rd party in American politics reflects and inability to connect the dots–it gets no “principled” points.
#84: “I don’t understand the christie obsession. He’s a pro-life convert like romney, he’s got LESS experience as governor than Romney, he’s considered a moderate like romney……why exactly is this group pushing towards a christie run? They have their guy already in the race. Christie getting in only helps perry.”
The main difference people see in Christie is that he BELIEVES what he says. Most of us see Mitt Romney as a salesman or debator who could argue the other side equally. He comes across with no backbone and no soul.
As for me, I’m not a moderate. I’m far to the right on economics and to the left on social issues. I also dislike Romney because he is a moderate on economics. He is a big government technocrat. Christie is a government slasher. (So is Perry, but he has other problems.)
94. You do care. I’m not suggesting vote 3rd party, but to ignore the reality that a vote for a moderate like Mitt Romney doesn’t get us any closer to true conservative leadership….it just means we get to disgusting progressive leadership a little bit slower…
Your vote for Romney indicts you in that reality. As long as you know that, you are voting “principle” too.
That actually made sense. I just don’t see christie as viable though. I’d have been much happier with Mike Pence. But sadly…he’ll just be the next governor of Indiana.
“I hold my political cards close to my chest and I’ve certainly learned lessons along those lines and I’m going to continue to do that until I’M
READY TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
Is there any slow thinking Rombot,Blago Perrych supporter or the latest
possible flavor of the week Christie fan that needs explanation what Sarah
Palin says?
The problem with at least some of you is that you think like your candidates,
in the box,like dime a dozen GOP establishment hacks and flacks.
Did you ever see the SouthPark episode where the turd was running against the douche? At the end of the day, 1 vote won’t make any difference in the world.
We do disagree on Romney. I’m happy to argue about why he’s by far the best man for the job right now. But the point of my post you initially criticized had nothing to do with Romney. It was simply a criticism of people who’s vision is so limited that they choose to vote 3rd party. Your retort involving Romney was irrelevant to that argument, though relevant to another.
Metro, if you could just get past the false narrative you’ve bought into on governor Palin…she would be your ideal candidate. Serious.
She is not what you think she is, by a long shot. You want a pragmatic problem solver with a record of slashing government, no one comes close to Palin. No one.
She is not the extreme right wing religious nut the left portrayed her to be to frighten their base…that’s Michele Bachmann. (yet they haven’t smeared her to the same extent, so people don’t react with hatred toward Bachmann…who is everything they wrongfully think Palin is)
What you describe, right on economic and left on social issues, is a classic libertarian stance.
My problems w/Palin have nothing to do w/the positions she’s taken or her fundamentals.
My problems:
1. Lack of experience. Outside of her 1/2 term as Gov. she’s done nothing. I find her quitting mid-term to be a big negative.
2. Public perception. Even if everything you say is true, I don’t think there’s any chance she (or anyone else) will be able to convince the independents that she is a good candidate. People have deeply ingrained perceptions about Palin and the MSM will continue painting her that way.
3. Communicator. She usually sounds very bright and capable when she speaks. But on occasion she has blown me away w/her inability to sound intelligent. That will only feed the perception.
#101 – You make an interesting point about what Palin WAS as a govertnor, but that doesn’t speak to what she IS today.
Can you name one position she’s staked out today that goes against the grain of “base” orthodoxy? Where she’s picked up on a Democratic idea, and said to Republicans “hey, let’s take a look at that?”
Frankly, if she acted today in the same way she governed I’d have more respect for her. But she’s chosen instead to be the tea party heroine.
Perhaps a smart move, politically, but the Palin of your Alaska dreams isn’t necessarily the Palin of today.
97.Metro Says:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
“#48: The list of Christie supporters around here would be a lot longer than that…”
Oh, I completely agree with that, Metro..
The TOP-10 will especially fill in faster than a Christie retort at a Teacher’s Union hall. Btw, who can I anticipate to add to the list …
48.Rick Perry/Jeb Bush 2012! Says:
September 30th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Let’s make a list of the TOP-10 Race42012 moderate leaning regulars who will be ditching Romney to join Christie’s camp the second the big man joins the race..
1. Dave G.
2. Metro
3. Smacks1968
4. Matt “MWS” (after he ditches T-Paw, Hunts Jr, then Romney..
5. Anthony D
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
104. David, You must have missed this (first appeared in the New York Times)
She has totally split with the establishment GOP on economic issues (and their ‘pro-business’ crony capitalism, a term she introduced to the public discourse) and their neo-con foreign policy. She is running against the professional political class of both parties.
Yup, Randy Scheunemann is a neo-con political hack who used to advise Palin (a left over from the McCain campaign) and who she has let go a long time ago, when she realized he was just that, a neo-con hack, perfect for the squishy RINO’s in the beltway.
Her new foreign policy adviser is Reagan historian Peter Schweizer. Do some research on this guy, he’s awesome.
…and George Soros is jewish, as is Bernie Madoff… Bernie Madoff ran a Ponzi scheme that defrauded Kyra Sedgwick of her savings…. Kyra Sedgwick is married to….
KEVIN BACON!
You heard it here first. Sarah Palin – 5 Degrees from Kevin Bacon.
Rightgal…<b<SHE IS NOT ANNOUNCING TODAY. SHE SAID SO LAST NIGHT You can stop watching the clock.
She has said she would let us know if she WASN’T running by today. (she wouldn’t lead us on past September) If she’s running, she’s NOT leading us on. If she doesn’t say no, that means she’s in. Get it?
bethreinhard Why Perry isn’t talking about the illegal immigrants who cut Romney’s lawn http://t.co/UuNcUneo
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Beth ReinhardNational Journal – Political Correspondent (DC)
September 30th, 2011 at 11:42 am
So, Romney beats Obama by 2%, with 14% still undecided.
If you’re undecided, it indicated you’re moderate, independent, or disatisfied.
How many of those people do you think are really going to suddenly think Obama need another four years to keep working his magic?
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If the GOP would stop needlessly dragging out the primary race, as some claim Christie is threatening to do, we might actually get to see results like this, or better, in a more official capacity – like election night.
September 30th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Sad…that I have to agree with Kilburn.
Romney has been slow and steady and his imperfections have been on display for months if not years and it does not appear to affect Romney’s electability. (Waiting for the Perry/Bush, Cain, Bachmann, Huck argue that people do not yet know of Romney care despite over 80% name recognition for Romney….pleeeeeaaaasssseee!)
Romney has ran a nearly flawless campaign and could put together a great cabinet (Ryan, Christie, Giuliani, Daniels, Bush, etc.)
September 30th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Undecideds always break to the challenger.
The race isn’t being “dragged out”
Filing deadlines are approaching and some states are even moving up their primaries.
September 30th, 2011 at 11:51 am
The base of the party doesn’t trust Romney and I don’t see that changing.
September 30th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Mr. Electability.
September 30th, 2011 at 11:56 am
I think it’s safe to say that the base of the party just doesn’t like or trust anyone else to be their nominee other than Mitt Romney to beat Obama.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
“The base of the party doesn’t trust Romney and I don’t see that changing.”
and the moderates, independents, and pragmatists we need to win don’t like Palin.
check.
and the base isn’t any more likely to like Christie were he to get in.
checkmate.
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Yes, the race is being dragged out. Challenger after challenger jumping in, and jumping in, and jumping in, and getting knocked down.
I don’t like pulling the bigotry card, but its entirely likely that if Romney were a Baptist from Georgia, rather than a Mormon from Massachusetts, this race would have been over by the first of August.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Romney 44 %, Obama 42%…… +2 %
Obama 44 %, Christie 43 %… – 1 %
Obama 44 %, Perry 38 %…… – 6 %
Obama 39 %, Cain 34 %……. – 5 %
Nuff said, so far
CraigS
September 30th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
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I actually am inclined to believe that, for some odd reason.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
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Over by August? Romney would have won in 2008 and be in the White House right now.
So who is the real author of ObamaCare?
September 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
If only the GOP could see that we have a guy that will beat Obama.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
MK,
“I don’t like pulling the bigotry card, but its entirely likely that if Romney were a Baptist from Georgia, rather than a Mormon from Massachusetts, this race would have been over by the first of August.”
Perhaps. But that would have more to do with being from Georgia, than being a Baptist.
Care to venture how many Baptists have been nominated by Republicans? Much less, elected President?
A recent Pew poll showed that being evangelical is almost as big a knock against a candidate as being Mormon. The two groups had almost an identical share of voters who said they would not vote for.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
#10. The bigots?
September 30th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
New report just on Fox News that Christie still isn’t really feeling it despite the flattery of some influential republican figures. Thinks that jumping in and doing the fundraising necessary in such a short time frame (3 months to do it, and major holidays on the horizon) is daunting.
It sure sounds like a guy that does not want to run and is being prodded to do so by a group of former republican leaders, many of whom did not enjoy much success on the national stage.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
More good Romney News (not so for Perrywinkle)in vital Battleground and Swing States.
Romney beats Obama accross 12 states, while Perry can’t measure up, even in the South.
Pitiful.
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/09/romney-leads-obama-in-vital-purple.html
September 30th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Ahhh… of course the mormon card would be played multiple times on this thread — that’s just ridiculous and childish whining, folks! And it seems to be the Rombot go-to crying card much too often at Race…
True, Romney will never see the general election but that’s not the reason AT ALL. The only reason is, the nation already has Obama wreaking havoc — so Conservative Republicans and those leaning Conservative want to nominate A Conservative this cycle not Obama-Lite Willard. Period. “It’s not rocket science” – Rush Limbaugh.
We tried the McCain types in 2008 to great falure versus Obama.
Bottom Line:
THE Conservative, Perry smiles as CC and the Romboster split up BOTH the moderate voters and the northeasterner mushy types. WIN/WIN/WIN
September 30th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Look, I was worried when Perry jumped in and zoomed right to the top. But Romney kept doing his thing and remained calm and now he is back on top nationally and in most early states. I dont think I ought to worry myself because Christie or whomever else may jump in. They will be vetted just as Romney and Perry have been, and they will come back to earth under the scrutiny. When you see what the vetting and debates did to Perry, you see why Romney has to feel confident.
Romney is going to win this thing and all of his detractors will get on board eventually.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
15. That is an awesome poll, and it shows that if the general election were held today, Romney would be president. Definitely worthy of a front page post!
September 30th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
I don’t think it’s a fair assessment to say the race is being dragged out. For one, you would seem to be anti-democracy if you aren’t in favor of “the process”. And for 2, the longer primary will make our candidate(Mitt more than likely) stronger…and more sustainable. In fact, he has been vetted forever. There’s not much the obama camp will be able to pull out against him in the general election. They can’t run flip flop on him…because the people that they would be targeting won’t vote obama anyways. The question is, how motivated is the base to replace obama? VERY MOTIVATED. This is an ideal circumstance for Romney. If he gets through the primary, we will have an excited base(especially if rubio is vp)….and independants will flock over…and we’re looking at a wipeout general election. But shortening the race for the nomination doesn’t help mitt at all. We need to help his focus continue. As long as he looks like the grown up in the room…he’s the guy. And the longer there are other people in the race…the longer he LOOKS LIKE THE GROWN UP IN THE ROOM.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
To my Rombot friends on Race42012…. Stop playing the Mormon card please.
Romney has support among many different faiths. You don’t garner support of 23% the GOP with only Mormons.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
16 Idiot/anyone 2012
If your “Obama heavy” Ricky was such a “conservative” why is he in the bottom tier? Perry is dumber than a glass door on an outhouse.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
20 Husky
I agree, and Perry shouldn’t throw all the charitable donations and tithes he pays in our face….ohh wait, sorry, there aren’t any.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
15.
Doug of the most liberal city in the country,
Are you still pimping your own fanboy or should I say, Mittboy website here at Race42012?
Who would go EVER over to your blatant homerism Romney echo love chamber except for possibly more weirdo Rombats? Wait, perhaps you are at the right place after all — we have at least three or 83 here you can recruit into your weirdo basement site. Take first — Matthew K, MassCon, and CF, PLEASE!
September 30th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Rick Perry is NOT a Conservative:
(1) DREAM Act (taxpayer-funded tuition for illegal aliens)
(2) Huawei (selling millions of acres of oil field rights to a Chinese quasi-governmental military contractor who sold spy enabled equipment to the British in order to spy on them)
(3) Gardasil (STD vaccines MANDATED for 12 year old girls)
(4) Budget (increased from $48 billion to $90 billion)
(5) Debt ($27 billion, tripled during his tenure)
(6) Amnesty (supports a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens)
(7) Bi-national health insurance (wanted to join Mexicans and Americans in joint health insurance accounts)
(8) Texas Business Restoration Fund (Millions in payments to his donors, disproportionately so)
(9) Ran Al Gore’s 1988 campaign against Reagan’s vice president
(10) Endorsed gay marriage at the state level
September 30th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Rick Perry is a globalist FIRST, and an AMERICAN SECOND
September 30th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
23
Weirdo?
Are you playing OBAMA’S Mormon card AGAIN?
I’m not even a Mormon, not that it matters to you.
By the way, Right Speak has plenty of Palin supporters, including Right Wingnut, Ohio Joe, AJR, JerseyRepublican. It also has Texas Conservative and others.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
And btw: i don’t believe for one second that him being mormon and from massachussetts matters. I believe the constituency that people link to that form of bigotry…are simply distrustful of Romney on social issues. In fact i KNOW THAT because that is how i feel.
I like mormons. I have a lot of mormon friends. Are there poeple less inclined to vote for a mormon? Yes. But that is fair game. Are there people less inclined to vote for a muslim? Yes. Why? Because our values are different. That’s why i don’t have any problem voting for a mormon…because mormon’s typically share the same values as me.
But the record is what matters most to people…and it is hard for social conservatives PARTICULARLY PRO-LIFERS to jump on the bandwagon of someone who was once admittedly pro-choice, campaigned that way….and who has a fuzzy record on the issue. But is that a reason in and of itself to not vote for him? Depends. Is there a candidate that is electable and closer to me on the issues? That’s ALWAYS THE QUESTION. Is there someone i identify with more…and i agree with more? People seem to get lost on that sometimes though…and give the wrong people a pass. Perry is a great example of that. On the surface i could identify with Rick Perry. But i’ve examined his record and know better. But people in my group will ALWAYS first run to the “christian” candidate and look at them. That’s why it was so important in 08 for brownback to fail at the strawpoll. Because Huckabee wanted that constituency…and brownback was also pushing for it. But that by itself only makes up about 25% of the GOP. Hardcore evangelical christians. 08′ was a special circumstance too because there were so many well known candidates in the race. This time around there isn’t. This time around the have more room to flock to the christian candidate first. But once they examine that record…the support starts to flounder.
I’m a Ron Paul guy, but i know reality. And reality is that the best thing that could happen for the party is for Ron Paul to win delegates in order to push the debate…but for ROMNEY to win the nomination. Because Romney is not only electable, but he is good overall on the issues. I like him much better now than i did in 08′….because he has had time to show me that he is consisten in his change in positions. I’m more sure of him governing pro-life now as well. But i will work hard to ensure that he does.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
“I don’t think it’s a fair assessment to say the race is being dragged out. For one, you would seem to be anti-democracy if you aren’t in favor of “the process”.”
I don’t think so. I don’t object to people having a say, nor do I oppose voting. I think it would be desirable, however, if the forces of public opinion and democracy had made the voting simply a formality. If Romney were popular enough on his own, within the South, to the point that people weren’t crying for someone like Perry to get into the race, and Mitt were to have it wrapped up in the summer…that’s hardly undemocratic.
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As for making our nominee stronger – I don’t buy it. Romney has shown himself capable of being a fighter in the past, and nothing new has come out that would serve as extra vetting.
In short, the only thing this primary season has done is reopen the divisions within the party.
Hardly something that made us stronger.
Ask yourself – what has Romney done during the primary cycle that made him stronger that he could not have simply waited to do, with equal effect, until the general?
September 30th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
28,
Yes, if he WERE STRONG ENOUGH ON HIS OWN IN THE SOUTH. That’s the point. He is not yet strong enough…so we need this process to get him there before the general.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
“so we need this process to get him there before the general.”
The primary does not accomplish that.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
How much higher do you think Christie would have been polled against Obama if he were actually running? He is the only other candidate (potential or real) I know of other than Huckabee before he dropped out that beat Obama in the polls more than just once or twice.
However, #17 Husky has a point in that Christie isn’t vetted yet. It would be interesting to see how he would do were he to get in. I don’t see Christie flopping in the debates like Perry. In fact, with his personality, he could very well shine. It would be his positions and record that would sink him if anything.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@RepPeterKing: @govChristie’s record “more conservative than Romney’s & may be as conservative as Rick Perry’s” http://nyp.st/o5ues3
First part of that is defintely true — who isn’t more conservative than the flip flopin’ Massachusett’s moderate-liberal-moderate-liberal-back to moderate if need be, Willard?
The second part of the linked tweet is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off — two year Gov Christie is not nearly as conservative as 10 1/2 year Governor Perry as their record and stances before and during their governorships clearly shows.
Christie has the heavy burden of Romney in the pro abortion choice area as well.
Hence Christie and Romney splitting the moderates in half or so…
September 30th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Romney yards signs up for months!
September 30th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
12. “A recent Pew poll showed that being evangelical is almost as big a knock against a candidate as being Mormon. The two groups had almost an identical share of voters who said they would not vote for.”
I haven’t seen the study, but please define “almost.” What is the gap?
It actually doesn’t surprise me though. Moderates are starting to dislike Evangelicals because of their anti-science approach to seemingly everything these days. It causes people to doubt their credibility on a wide range of subjects when they are so openly convinced that anything any scientist says is anti-religion.
The big difference is that Mormon candidates primarily come under fire in the primary. The anti-Evangelical sentiments come out in the general.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
30,
I disagree. If we corronate someone who isn’t strong with a part of the base..then vetting them early will make them stronger in the general. People will not buy into the negatives against them in the general.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
32 Idiot/anyone 2012
You make Ricky Perry’s 1.9 GPA look like a rocket scientist.
Or as they would say in Texas, you Perrywinckle have no Hat or Cattle.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
SMACK BREAKING NEWS!!!!
SMACK BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Inside source!!!
HUGE!!!
Randy Scheunemann is part of the team going to meet Gov. Christie in NJ on Sunday.
Flight – DELTA #1748 – October 1st.
This has been confirmed.
What does this mean you ask?
Just take a deep breath and think about it.
I will leave it to the great brain trust we have here at RACE42012 to figure out the implications of this latest news.
You will not get this info from any other source….except right here at RACE42012.
Stay Alert!
More info coming!!!
September 30th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
37
Thanks for filling us in Smack.
Personally, I think it’s just a group of people going to visit Christie and trying to convince him to get in.
Ultimately, I don’t think he’s going to change his mind.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Ricky on the slide again today on intrade 20%. More people think Christie will enter the race than think Perry can win the nomination…..bhaaahaaahhhah
September 30th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
What do you bet that the group that wants christie to run…has ties to Perry.
September 30th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
180movie.com
September 30th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
You guys need to check out 180movie.com it is a free link to the revolutionary pro-life documentary by living waters ministries. It’s going to change hearts and minds…and it already has.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
One national survey, conducted by The Economist and YouGov.com, found that Christie’s entry would make it a three-way GOP race. Of likely primary voters, 15 percent said they’d cast ballots for the Garden State governor, 15 percent preferred Romney and 14 percent liked Perry.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gopers_give_nj_gov_shove_AiX1MecMZiBAalV64BQzaI#ixzz1ZSZryYx3
September 30th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
“One national survey, conducted by The Economist and YouGov.com, found that Christie’s entry would make it a three-way GOP race. Of likely primary voters, 15 percent said they’d cast ballots for the Garden State governor, 15 percent preferred Romney and 14 percent liked Perry.”
…indicating Christie draws relatively evenly from Romney and Perry.
That doesn’t surprise me, actually.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
40.
Shhhh….quiet about that or we’ll have to shoot you, WS
Btw, your movie looks great — I’ll watch it
September 30th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
44. Wrong as usual.
Fox said just yesterday that Perry was at 19, Romney in the mid twenties.
You are obviously not a math major. What is you major, btw? Piano?
September 30th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
you = *your
September 30th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Let’s make a list of the TOP-10 Race42012 moderate leaning regulars who will be ditching Romney to join Christie’s camp the second the big man joins the race..
1. Dave G.
2. Metro
3. Smacks1968
4. Matt “MWS” (after he ditches T-Paw, Hunts Jr, then Romney..
5. Anthony D
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?
9. ?
10. ?
September 30th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
For those interested in checking out the Purple Poll WITHOUT going to RightSPeak, the Daily Caller has the story and links. It’s a nifty poll and the graphics/data quite extensive. Great Stuff
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/29/poll-finds-obama-with-trouble-in-swing-states-romney-stronger-than-perry/
September 30th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
15 Doug NYC
Good post for Mitt. Surprising numbers for Romney in the south ( Florida, No Carolina, Virginia ):
Romney….48 %
Obama…..43 % Mitt by 5 %
Perry…..46 %
Obama…..46 % Even
Favorabilities:
Romney 33 / 36 …..( – 3 )
Perry 28 / 43……( -15 )
CraigS
September 30th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
#23:
Of course you don’t like Right Speak. We wouldn’t stand for your immature behavior and threw your butt off.
You can cast as many impotent aspersions as you like, but you are the one on this and many other sites, with ZERO cred and leads the field in contempt.
Besides, with your swishy , flamboutyant writing style, it’s your orientation which was and has been, how shall we say it, suspect.
BTW – Did you ever figure out the ID issues you falsely accused me of a few weeks ago?
I know yo did, but as I suspected, you weren’t man or classy enough to say so.
Happy Spamming and GFY!!!
September 30th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
ppppolls: In Connecticut Romney leads Obama 48-36 with independents and captures 14% of the Democratic vote: http://t.co/ZGzBF9hT
September 30th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
“Fox said just yesterday that Perry was at 19, Romney in the mid twenties.”
so you’re willing to concede your idol is no longer the shining star he was?
September 30th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
52. Nice post.
“Connecticut isn’t a place that would go on anybody’s list of swing states but Barack Obama is in a statistical tie with Mitt Romney there, leading only 47-45.
…
The competitiveness in Connecticut is limited to Romney. Against the rest of the Republican field Obama leads by double digits- it’s 12 points against Rick Perry at 53-41, 13 against Ron Paul at 51-38, 16 against Newt Gingrich at 54-38, and 19 against Michele Bachmann at 55-36.”
Romney, again, proves to be Mr. Electable.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
You poor fools.
Christie will only get in if Palin does…how does that twist your mind around?
He is seen as the one who could possibly stop her.
They fear her, this has always been about stopping her. They know Mitten$ the Kitten would be feckless and weak against her.
Christie waiting on Palin?
http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/09/christie-waiting-on-palin/
‘According to Juan Williams, Christie only will get in if it looks like Palin is getting in, setting himself up as the anti-Palin, since she would be unstoppable against the current field
” None of those [poll] numbers will matter if Palin gets in the race. She will become a media sensation. The rest of the field will be an afterthought. That is the moment when the Republican political establishment will send out the call for the one remaining political star on the GOP side who can take the spotlight away from Palin. That candidate is Gov. Christie.”
The only way for Christie to get out from under his promises and suicide threats not to run is to claim that the world has changed. Which it would have if Palin gets in.’
Can you smell the fear?
LOL
The problem with Christie’s strategy of waiting for Palin is that Palin keeps waiting, while Christie keeps promising he’s not running. A late entrance by Palin will make her look tactically astute, while a reactionary late entrance by Christie will make him look like a reactionary late entrant.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Romney always does better than Perry in head-to-head matchups with Obama. Obama can defeat Perry. Obama cannot defeat Romney.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
I am not a fan of Obama, but I’m not sure that I could vote for Slippery Mitt. I might have to go third party (again).
September 30th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Nobody’s worked harder than Romney to get to where he is. And I suspect he’ll keep that up if he were to land the White House. As far as I can tell, the man never sleeps.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Huckabee now said to be reconsidering a run…
I tell ya…they are freaking out about Palin. It’s driving them batty. I love it!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/30/us-usa-campaign-huckabee-idUSTRE78T48Y20110930
Mike Huckabee has been approached by Republican and conservative activists unhappy with the current crop of presidential hopefuls and he is considering entering the fray, two sources who have spoken with Huckabee told Reuters.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Unfortunately, sometimes this site gravitates from really intelligent insights and discussion between very interesting, informed minds to fending off troll infestations and their delusional obsessions. Which tarnishes the shine off an otherwise awesome place to come and get the latest news and analysis.
Just sayin’
September 30th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
60. Hey now!
Stuff about to get real all up in here.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
The only ones freaking out about Palin are Palinistas, trying to keep the dream alive.
She is over and done.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
EVEYBODY!!!
9:00PM..make sure you check back on the latest Christie news here at RACE2012.
I’m expecting a phone call at 8:00PM CDT.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
#58: Very true.
Romney’s entire life and how he’s led it, are terrific indicators as to the kind of chief executive he would be.
Too bad so many are blind to see it.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
64. Are you referring to his disingenuous flip flops or his blatant pandering to special interest groups?
September 30th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
57. “I might have to go third party (again).”
I don’t think I’ll ever see eye to eye w/people that totally lack pragmatism. Voting for a 3rd party in American politics does not demonstrate principles–it demonstrates an inability to see the obvious end results of simple actions.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
63. You won’t know because Governor Palin isn’t announcing today.
Her head fake has ‘em all scrambling…hilarious.
Maybe he’ll come out with another strong denial at that time.
She’s going to wait until the very last minute to make it impossible for the GOP Smart Set to react.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Randy Scheunemann is going to meet with Chris Christie? Sorry to break it to ya, but if Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, and half of the establishment who backed Bush can’t convince him to run, Randy Scheunemann ain’t change his mind.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
62. Juan Williams disagrees with you.
I think he may be more tuned in than you are, living in that bubble of ignorance as you do…
September 30th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
57
which is the same as voting for the big Obama
September 30th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
65. Please…
Acting blind to Romney’s history of major accomplishments is disingenuous, willful ignorance. Pointing out flip flops and pandering is fine, but don’t act like his record isn’t long and impressive.
September 30th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
[Nope. Not here you don't. -MC]
September 30th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
67
What you mean is she will wait till it’s to late for the vetting process to show her weaknesses
September 30th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
#72 Billy Bob, I’m fairly sure I do not like the sound of that wisecrack.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
71. Just takin’ in the total package, Rombots are mistaken to dismiss or try to minimize his shortcomings, they are fatal to a politician.
He is our version of John Kerry.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
#43 – Craig, you do realize that you are quoting a YouGov poll… the same poll that you called – and I quote (from 9/16) – “worthless”, “total bunk”, “junk”, “straw poll”, and “phony”.
Strange how you come back and quote it now, don’t you think?!?
September 30th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Tele must be smokin the same stuff as Idiot/anyone 2012
September 30th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
tele #69
You seem very combatative today, lashing out desperately.
Who are you trying convince the Palin Dream is not over, us or yourself??
#65: You are better than that.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
73 no, there is plenty of time for that.
she is the only one who’s popularity will improve once her record is fully ‘vetted.’
That’s the problem, people have no idea what she accomplished as governor…no one comes close to her achievements.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Latest poll has Palin trailing Obama by over 20 points.
She’s got him right where she wants him!
September 30th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
66. I’m not sure I’ll ever see eye to eye w/ people that cannot draw a cause/effect relationship between voting for a moderate like Romney and getting non-conservative leadership….
Hey, in the news now…..it’s just been discovered who actually hung the moon….IT WAS MITT ROMNEY! Can you believe it! Yesterday I found out that it was Romney, as a young student, who actually discovered the cure for polio! Sonofa….I should have known they were lying to me…Tomorrow, someone will probably tell me that ROMNEY, not OBAMA, actually came up with socialized medicine….this guys is just AMAZING!
September 30th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
57. I am tired of people who think a 3rd party vote is worth anything. As our country stands right now, all that vote does is guarantee that Obama wins. And you can take your “dignity” down the toilet with the country as we continue to swirl around the toilet of failed progressive policies.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
78. Just keepin’ it real today.
You could say I have renewed confidence.
It is foolhardy to doubt me.
I’m just here to help.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
I don’t understand the christie obsession. He’s a pro-life convert like romney, he’s got LESS experience as governor than Romney, he’s considered a moderate like romney……why exactly is this group pushing towards a christie run? They have their guy already in the race. Christie getting in only helps perry.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
81 Mike
Perry is NOT a conservative just because you and Perrywinckle say so, just as Romney is NOT liberal for the same reason.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Thank you to the moderator for editing Billy Bobs ignorance and bigotry in #72.
I really appreciate that.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
84. He has a combative personality they think can counter Palin’s raw political talent.
It’s a sign of desperation among the GOP Smart Set.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
87,
Because the day before the deadline to file…palin is going to enter? palin is out. She’s not running…..and at this point it would just hurt her financially to run.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
CF,
“Randy Scheunemann is going to meet with Chris Christie? Sorry to break it to ya, but if Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush, and half of the establishment who backed Bush can’t convince him to run, Randy Scheunemann ain’t change his mind.”
You missed the point. Randy Scheunemann is not a polical man…he is a foreign Policy man.
In other words…….the launch is beginning…the policy psotions are also being talked about this weekend.
Does Smackdaddy have to connect all the dots for you people?
Stay alert!
September 30th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
89,
Yes you do….because he was explicit in saying that he wouldn’t run. At this point…..he can’t run. In fact…he would get destroyed. He would be Romney 08′ all over again. Christie would have to answer the same kind of questions…and will get vetted heavily. He would lose. If he was going to get in…it should’ve been way back in june.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
88. we’ll see won’t we?
heh heh
You guys crack me up…
it’s wishful thinking on your part.
If she weren’t running she would have said so by today…that was the timetable she gave herself.
She’s been running since Aug 2009. She just hasn’t formally announced yet…playing the GOP establishment for the fools they are.
It’s fun to watch.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
85. who said anything about Perry?
September 30th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
91,
I’ve watched Palin take a pass on every opportunity to run. I’ve watched her in prime position to jump in…and she hasn’t. Why now, when the gop voters have united against the idea would she jump in? She can’t win the primary even….so she’s not going to do it.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
81.
Vote for whomever you want. I could not care less. My point is that voting for a 3rd party in American politics reflects and inability to connect the dots–it gets no “principled” points.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
#84: “I don’t understand the christie obsession. He’s a pro-life convert like romney, he’s got LESS experience as governor than Romney, he’s considered a moderate like romney……why exactly is this group pushing towards a christie run? They have their guy already in the race. Christie getting in only helps perry.”
The main difference people see in Christie is that he BELIEVES what he says. Most of us see Mitt Romney as a salesman or debator who could argue the other side equally. He comes across with no backbone and no soul.
As for me, I’m not a moderate. I’m far to the right on economics and to the left on social issues. I also dislike Romney because he is a moderate on economics. He is a big government technocrat. Christie is a government slasher. (So is Perry, but he has other problems.)
September 30th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
94. You do care. I’m not suggesting vote 3rd party, but to ignore the reality that a vote for a moderate like Mitt Romney doesn’t get us any closer to true conservative leadership….it just means we get to disgusting progressive leadership a little bit slower…
Your vote for Romney indicts you in that reality. As long as you know that, you are voting “principle” too.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
#48: The list of Christie supporters around here would be a lot longer than that…..
September 30th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
metro,
That actually made sense. I just don’t see christie as viable though. I’d have been much happier with Mike Pence. But sadly…he’ll just be the next governor of Indiana.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
SARAH PALIN on Judge Napolitano:
“I hold my political cards close to my chest and I’ve certainly learned lessons along those lines and I’m going to continue to do that until I’M
READY TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
Is there any slow thinking Rombot,Blago Perrych supporter or the latest
possible flavor of the week Christie fan that needs explanation what Sarah
Palin says?
The problem with at least some of you is that you think like your candidates,
in the box,like dime a dozen GOP establishment hacks and flacks.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
96. No, Mike. I don’t.
Did you ever see the SouthPark episode where the turd was running against the douche? At the end of the day, 1 vote won’t make any difference in the world.
We do disagree on Romney. I’m happy to argue about why he’s by far the best man for the job right now. But the point of my post you initially criticized had nothing to do with Romney. It was simply a criticism of people who’s vision is so limited that they choose to vote 3rd party. Your retort involving Romney was irrelevant to that argument, though relevant to another.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Metro, if you could just get past the false narrative you’ve bought into on governor Palin…she would be your ideal candidate. Serious.
She is not what you think she is, by a long shot. You want a pragmatic problem solver with a record of slashing government, no one comes close to Palin. No one.
She is not the extreme right wing religious nut the left portrayed her to be to frighten their base…that’s Michele Bachmann. (yet they haven’t smeared her to the same extent, so people don’t react with hatred toward Bachmann…who is everything they wrongfully think Palin is)
What you describe, right on economic and left on social issues, is a classic libertarian stance.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
teledude, I know a lot of people whom I agree with politically. None of them could get elected President. Same with Sarah.
Plus, she’s not in a factor in the race.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
101.
My problems w/Palin have nothing to do w/the positions she’s taken or her fundamentals.
My problems:
1. Lack of experience. Outside of her 1/2 term as Gov. she’s done nothing. I find her quitting mid-term to be a big negative.
2. Public perception. Even if everything you say is true, I don’t think there’s any chance she (or anyone else) will be able to convince the independents that she is a good candidate. People have deeply ingrained perceptions about Palin and the MSM will continue painting her that way.
3. Communicator. She usually sounds very bright and capable when she speaks. But on occasion she has blown me away w/her inability to sound intelligent. That will only feed the perception.
I believe she is completely unelectable.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
#101 – You make an interesting point about what Palin WAS as a govertnor, but that doesn’t speak to what she IS today.
Can you name one position she’s staked out today that goes against the grain of “base” orthodoxy? Where she’s picked up on a Democratic idea, and said to Republicans “hey, let’s take a look at that?”
Frankly, if she acted today in the same way she governed I’d have more respect for her. But she’s chosen instead to be the tea party heroine.
Perhaps a smart move, politically, but the Palin of your Alaska dreams isn’t necessarily the Palin of today.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
102
Hahaha…..LOL…….
Who is the factor in the race?
Romney with his peak of 17%-23% after 7 years running and blowing $50 million
of his own money?
Blago Perrych going down the tube fast and furious?
Or is it Northeastern liberal who’s being governor for 18 months without
any success and accomplishments to show for?
If he runs Christie will be exposed for a liberal hot head he is,and he
will crash in flames faster than corrupt Ricky Blago Perrych.
September 30th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
NO RINO will get the nomination!!!
Not this time,it’s an era of Sarah Palin and the Tea Party.
Get that in your heads!
September 30th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Or is it a woman who served about 20 months and makes a great impression on the TV, as long as you keep the volume turned down.
September 30th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
76.
Actually, I’m glad you mentioned that.
A scientific poll will show approx. at the end of October (including CC)..
Perry 29
Christie 23
Romney 19
Game. Set. Match.
September 30th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Let’s add Palin for Telly and TEX ..one last time to be nice:
Perry 24
Christie 21
Romney 17
Sarahcuda 9
September 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
TEX Says:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
“NO RINO will get the nomination!!!”
==
I agree. So why are you shouting?
September 30th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
97.Metro Says:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
“#48: The list of Christie supporters around here would be a lot longer than that…”
Oh, I completely agree with that, Metro..
The TOP-10 will especially fill in faster than a Christie retort at a Teacher’s Union hall. Btw, who can I anticipate to add to the list
…
September 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
104. David, You must have missed this (first appeared in the New York Times)
She has totally split with the establishment GOP on economic issues (and their ‘pro-business’ crony capitalism, a term she introduced to the public discourse) and their neo-con foreign policy. She is running against the professional political class of both parties.
Perhaps you should educate yourself a little…
http://iowans4palin.blogspot.com/2011/09/some-of-sarah-palins-ideas-cross.html
September 30th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Ah smack. I thought that name sounded familar. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/12/randy-scheunemann-sarah-palin-george-soros_n_782628.html
September 30th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
I like RINO’s. they have thicker skin than saracuda’s.
September 30th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Yup, Randy Scheunemann is a neo-con political hack who used to advise Palin (a left over from the McCain campaign) and who she has let go a long time ago, when she realized he was just that, a neo-con hack, perfect for the squishy RINO’s in the beltway.
Her new foreign policy adviser is Reagan historian Peter Schweizer. Do some research on this guy, he’s awesome.
September 30th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
LOL Teledude. 3:07 MST. tick tock.
September 30th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
…and George Soros is jewish, as is Bernie Madoff… Bernie Madoff ran a Ponzi scheme that defrauded Kyra Sedgwick of her savings…. Kyra Sedgwick is married to….
KEVIN BACON!
You heard it here first. Sarah Palin – 5 Degrees from Kevin Bacon.
September 30th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Rightgal…<b<SHE IS NOT ANNOUNCING TODAY. SHE SAID SO LAST NIGHT You can stop watching the clock.
She has said she would let us know if she WASN’T running by today. (she wouldn’t lead us on past September) If she’s running, she’s NOT leading us on. If she doesn’t say no, that means she’s in. Get it?
September 30th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Hey, what time is Palin’s press conference today (per Sarah’s own words, “THE DROP-DEAD DATE”)???
Back in July, she adamantly promised NOT to drag on her supporters without an answer BEFORE September ended.
Yes or no? What’s her promised decision?
September 30th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
118.
Wrong. She PROMISED a decision, yes or no.
Is she a liar?
September 30th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
What will Perry supporters do after Romney is nominated?
What will Perry supporters do after Romney defeats Obama?
What will Perry supporters do after Romney turns the economy around?
September 30th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
121
Scream
Sour grapes
Vote Romney 2016
September 30th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
bethreinhard Why Perry isn’t talking about the illegal immigrants who cut Romney’s lawn http://t.co/UuNcUneo
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