Magellan Strategies South Carolina Republican Primary
- Perry – 31%
- Romney – 20%
- Bachmann – 14%
- Cain – 9%
- Gingrich – 5%
- Paul – 4%
- Santorum – 2%
- Huntsman – 2%
- Undecided – 9%
Favorability Ratings
- Perry – 61/17
- Cain – 49/17
- Bachmann – 58/27
- Romney – 55/31
- Santorum – 26/32
- Gingrich – 35/53
- Paul – 28/48
- Huntsman – 9/44
Survey of 637 likely primary voters was conducted August 22-23 and has a margin of error of +/-3.88%.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Rollin’, rollin’, rollin’ – keep those polls a comin’
August 26th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Woot!
August 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Take away Bachmann — let’s say if she falls below 2nd in IA and to the bottom in NH, then decides to pull out…and then dock Mitt 5 points for dissing SC and DeMint. Finally, porportion the undecideds
•Perry – 42%
•Romney – 19%
•Cain – 18%
•Gingrich – 10%
•Paul – 5%
•Santorum – 3%
•Huntsman – 2%
August 26th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Looking good for Romney. He took 4th in 08 and lost Florida by a hair. A second place win, plus wins in AZ and MI on the same day is more than enough to propel him to an easy Florida victory.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
•Huntsman – 9/44
Was Huntsman on ‘America’s Most Wanted – SC Edition’ or something?
August 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Lol at those who think Mitt is going to win Florida so easily. Perry and Mitt will be neck and neck in Florida with an edge to Perry fresh off a SC win.
Same goes for Arizona. Perry has polled very well in the west and will do quite well there.
And let’s face it…who cares anout Michigan? No one is talking about Michigan when it’s SC time.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
CF,
So you’re now finally realizing the importance of Florida?
You’re half way there, kiddo.
To complete your journey, now ask Huck or any of the others what a second place finish and a dollar gets you in South Carolina going into Florida?
August 26th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Not surprising that Perry leads in SC, the little brother of Texas.
South Carolina Republican Primary, 2008:
John McCain 143,224 33.2%
Mike Huckabee 128,908 29.9
Fred D. Thompson 67,897 15.7
Mitt Romney 64,970 15.1
Ron Paul 15,773 3.7
Rudolph W. Giuliani 9,112 2.1
Duncan Hunter 1,035 0.2
Tom Tancredo 115
I’ll take Mitt at 20% ANY DAY!
August 26th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/scott-galupo/2011/08/26/rick-perry-the-flip-flopper
Ouch! The worst part of this is, Rick Perry didn’t even NEED to appease voters in Texas by flip-flopping. He had the whole state behind him, yet he still flip-flopped.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Perry wins SC by double digits then he very likely wins FL.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
I guess it’s a good thing for Perry that he never promised to always protect a woman’s “right to choose”
You know, unlike Mitt.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
And remember last cycle, Romney PRETENDED to be the most conservative candidate know to man.
We all know now he was faking it, as all the other candidates back then knew quite well, if you watched the debates.
Mitt for President 2.0 is going wishy washy mod this time around, forgetting about being anything close to Mr. Conservative.
Floridians don’t like to be played like that. Can’t blame ‘em.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
*known
August 26th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
“CF,
So you’re now finally realizing the importance of Florida?
You’re half way there, kiddo.”
I’ve always stated the importance of Florida. I have no idea what you’re talking about.
“To complete your journey, now ask Huck or any of the others what a second place finish and a dollar gets you in South Carolina going into Florida?”
LoL!? What?! Romney finished FOURTH in South Carolina and he still nearly won Florida. People just couldn’t stand a losing panderer Mike Huckabee in Florida no matter what his result was in SC. Perry will suffer the same result.
Try learning something about Politics sometime, my young friend.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Perry will win SC by a hefty margin. Look at the Huck and Thompson share of the vote from 2008. Perry will get most of that and most of McCain’s. SC will be ugly for Romney and Bachman.
Why do the Rombots love posting links from liberal publications who distort and mangle Perry’s record. So many of these myth’s have been debunked. Maybe, we should paste liberal literature about Romney in here?
August 26th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
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Go ahead and tell me which part has been debunked, Newb. We’re waiting…
August 26th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
10.Sojourner Truth Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Perry wins SC by double digits then he very likely wins FL.
11.Sojourner Truth Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
I guess it’s a good thing for Perry that he never promised to always protect a woman’s “right to choose”
You know, unlike Mitt.
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Double zingers. Then Romney can finally move into his new 82,000 sq foot home out here in Cali – and do some serious phone banking for Perry
August 26th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
It was “close” – but it wasn’t exactly Bush/Gore.
The result was 36-31. McCain won by over 100,000 votes.
A case could be made that no matter how much money Mitt spent, he likely still could have lost the state.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Bachmann/Perry
Did you by any chance catch the Perry/Laura Ingrahamm interview on her show yesterday? Just a preview of what to expect at the Reagan Library Debate…..He might want to pretend he got food poisoning and call in sick.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Unfortunately, there’s no real way to analyze the race accurately until Perry comes under serious scrutiny in the eyes of the general public. He hasn’t even come close yet.
until then, we don’t know anything other than that Perry has a lot of support from people looking for a perfect conservative.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
15
I doesn’t matter WHO the facts come from.
FACTS are FACTS, REGARDLESS of whether Fox wants you to know them or not.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
19
I caught it. The guy is a walking bag of rocks. He would do well to run from the debates as fast as possible. Bachmann is going to tear him to pieces. Romney, as always, will look like the articulate master as usual.
http://youtu.be/Gg7l8Isaa5w
August 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
“It was “close” – but it wasn’t exactly Bush/Gore.
The result was 36-31. McCain won by over 100,000 votes.”
….and Romney will both perform better in the states leading up to Florida this time, and won’t have to worry about a popular Guv’s endorsement going to his opponent as much.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Bachman /Perry # 2
Take away Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Gingriach and Paul. Dock Mitt because he is in New Hampshire. Then, proportion the undecideds
Perry 80 %
Romney 20 %
WHOO ! WHOO ! ……………LOL. You are a true piece of work , Craig For all
Here’s how I see it.
Romney has been to S. Carolina ONCE in the last 6-8 months. He is running second !
Perry has no debates, no Mike Wallace interviews, no real vetting, no zip and he is up 11 % in a conservative state in a poll with an MOE of + / – 4 %
Even if the numbers were unchanged in the next 6 months, its
Perry…….15 delegates
Romney……10 delegates
So, BIG MO brings a 5 delegate lead into Florida. Only, it ‘aint gonna be that big.
CraigS
August 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
right now it is a 2 person race. That is not good news for Mitt.
But, things can change.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
15.Newby Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Perry will win SC by a hefty margin. Look at the Huck and Thompson share of the vote from 2008. Perry will get most of that and most of McCain’s. SC will be ugly for Romney and Bachman.
Why do the Rombots love posting links from liberal publications who distort and mangle Perry’s record. So many of these myth’s have been debunked. Maybe, we should paste liberal literature about Romney in here?
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That CF kid, Telly, and TEX get almost ALL their sources from the Libs/Dems. And then they foolishly and childishly link it here on a conservative grassroots site. It actually makes them look even more like the gullible fools – they obviously are in the first place.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
26
Hey Craig For Losers, your Junior High 3rd period bell just rang, get back to class.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
With no love lost between DeMint ans Perry (Perry soft on border wall…DeMint wanting double-fense), What would a DeMint favorite son entry do to this primary?
August 26th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Romney’s “strategy” of hiding in the weeds on his belly like a snake is coming apart, my brothers and sisters.
http://www.tnr.com/article/the-permanent-campaign/94231/mitt-romney-strategy-primary
Romney can write off the entire south east including Florida, and Perry will ride into New Hampshire fresh from a world historic victory in Iowa. Romney’s only chance now is to perform a sudden about face and try to contest Iowa for whatever he can get so as to stem a tide he cannot contain. It will be too little, too late, and only confirm the narrative that Romney is weak, ineffectual, and the hapless victim of a host of hirelings and consultants.
Once again Romney’s vanity campaign runs aground in Iowa, for very different reasons this time.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
26. not sure why you think perry will get most of McCain’s votes. That may not happen, but he’ll still probably win if he continues with his current campaign.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
“Why do the Rombots love posting links from liberal publications who distort and mangle Perry’s record.”
Because they aren’t going to allow the idiot Perry supporters to operate under their desired double standard, where every attack on Romney is fair game, but Perry himself is a sacred cow because, hey, he’s from TEXAS! and he happens to be a good ‘ol southern man.
There are many things I disagree with the left about…but that doesn’t mean my ideal vision of America includes millions of uninsured Americans and legions of low wage jobs.
When McDonald’s hired thousands of workers, people rightfully mocked it as a “recovery” – even though few, if any, of those positions are really able to sustain a family, much less a middle class living in the mold of the American Dream.
The idea that Perry would then come in and tout his “job creation” as a reason to vote for him is pathetic.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
29
You wish. Romney’s got the nomination in the bag.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
29. a good article by Kilgore, but I’m not sure if it is entirely correct. Unless polls change in the next two months, a Perry win in Iowa would still leave Mitt as the frontrunner in New Hampshire. A Romney win in NH still keeps him in the game and may fault him ahead in the polls. I would also suspect that even with Perry jumping ahead in Florida (which will probably happen if he wins SC), Romney will still have a shot at winning the State.
Let’s see what happens to Bachmann and Huntsman.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Craig for the idiots how is the pink cowboy better than Obama?
August 26th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
#22
And you know the moderators will be after him big time.
And Laura Ingraham was like a school girl….even after Laura gave him a huge talking point on China, he still had no clue what to say.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
It looks like CraigS has joined the likes CF, Telly, and Tex on the ship of fools — well it was bound to happen as the polls came rolling in after Perry’s entrance.
And it’s only going to get worse in Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, and then curtains for Romney — and not the White House kind. Nope, it’s the La Jolla kind. Surfs up!
August 26th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Man, the hate Perry down here….
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-people/rick-perry/gov-perry-appoints-familiar-faces/
But as Perry runs for president, the spotlight on his appointees has grown bright. The New York Times published a front-page article on Sunday highlighting the Perry administration’s habit of handing out tax breaks, contracts and appointments to his strongest supporters and the businesses they own.
“It’s pay-to-play politics at its worst,” says Craig Holman, government affairs lobbyist for the non-partisan consumer and ethics watchdog group Public Citizen.
“When it comes to Rick Perry’s record, the obvious correlation between campaign contributions and favors is so high,” Holman says. “It definitely raises all kinds of red flags that government favors are being doled out based on money, rather than merit.”
August 26th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
36
The only fool on this site is you Craig. Like I said, get back to class kiddo. You’ve got a lot to learn about politics.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
31. are you a socialist??? Do you know how many millions of Americans are desperate for any job right now, where it pays $6/hr or $12/hr or $24/hr?
You sound like a member of the AFLCIO.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
At the end of the day people will vote for the most competent candidate who can beat Obama….
August 26th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/16/nation/la-na-0816-perry-donors-20110816
Perry has received a total of $37 million over the last decade from just 150 individuals and couples, who are likely to form the backbone of his new effort to win the Republican presidential nomination. The tally represented more than a third of the $102 million he had raised as governor through December, according to data compiled by the watchdog group Texans for Public Justice.
Nearly half of those mega-donors received hefty business contracts, tax breaks or appointments under Perry, according to a Los Angeles Times analysis.
Along with Simmons — who won permission to build a low-level radioactive waste disposal site in Texas, a project that promises to generate hundreds of millions of dollars — The Times found dozens of examples in which major donors to Perry have benefited during his tenure.
Auto magnate B.J. “Red” McCombs, who contributed nearly $400,000 to the governor, is the primary financial backer for a Formula One racetrack to be built near Austin. The state has pledged $25 million a year in subsidies to support the project.
The Houston-based engineering firm of James Dannenbaum, who gave more than $320,000 to Perry, received multiple transportation contracts from the state. In 2007, Perry appointed Dannenbaum to a coveted post on the University of Texas’ board of regents.
A Mississippi-based poultry company run by Joe Sanderson, who gave $165,000 to Perry, received a $500,000 grant from a state business incentive fund championed by Perry to open a chicken hatchery and processing plant in Waco.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-people/rick-perry/gov-perry-appoints-familiar-faces/
Rick Perry is as dirty as politicians come.
August 26th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Perry has an ethics problem – a huge one
August 26th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
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Casusit wins COMMENT OF THE DAY, I don’t care what anyone else says
Iowa is calling, Willard — please, pick up the phone!! WILLARD!!!
August 26th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
39
Hey Statist For Obama, I know you love your job at McDonalds, but the rest of us adults with degrees doesn’t want a country full of losers and high school dropouts working for minimum wage.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
I want to see polls of a Perry/Obama race in Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico.
We’ve seen two polls of Perry winning FL.
We’ve seen a poll showing Perry losing WI and losing IA. Since MI, MN, and PA tend to be to the left of those states, he’s probably losing there too.
I doubt Perry is beating Obama in NH given its Yankee status.
So that means Perry has to win OH, VA, and then ONE of NV/CO/NM to beat Obama.
If I had to guess, I’d bet that Perry is beating Obama in VA, Obama is beating Perry in NV and NM, and OH and CO are toss-ups.
I suspect that an Obama/Perry race will be decided at 3 in the morning on Election Night and will come down to the Ohio and Colorado suburbs.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/religion-and-evolution-in-texas-and-beyond/2011/08/26/gIQA8AFWgJ_blog.html
Rick Perry hates the Constitution, just like Barack Obama.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
31 – The jobs are NOT low wage jobs: http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590
How in the world is appointing qualified people who supported you unethical? If that’s the case, I guess every politician is unethical.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Pretty cool s. carolina is being marginalized this go round. Romney recognises this and is playing it very smart.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
chmann/Perry ’12 (Or reverse it!) Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Take away Bachmann — let’s say if she falls below 2nd in IA and to the bottom in NH, then decides to pull out…and then dock Mitt 5 points for dissing SC and DeMint. Finally, porportion the undecideds
•Perry – 42%
•Romney – 19%
•Cain – 18%
•Gingrich – 10%
•Paul – 5%
•Santorum – 3%
•Huntsman – 2%
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And if you eliminate Cain, Gingrich, Santorum and Huntsman (Paul will never go away).
Romney 49%
Perry 45%
Romney wins…..
August 26th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
BREAKING NEWS:
Romney cancels fundraisers because of hurricane
By MAGGIE HABERMAN/Politico | 8/26/11 4:13 PM EDT
Mitt Romney, who was slated for fundraisers on Martha’s Vineyard and in the Hamptons in the coming days, is canceling his weekend events out of “caution” because of Hurricane Irene, sources said.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
If Mitt manages to win Iowa, it’s over, he’s the nominee.
If Perry manages to win Iowa AND NH, it’s over, he’s the nominee.
Aside from that, all bets are off. Florida would be big, but neither would drop out until the other had an insurmountable lead. Mitt lost Iowa, NH, and SC last time, and still almost won Florida. But Florida will be proportional this time. This is going to be a drawn out battle. No quick strike and it’s over here.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
# Newby Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
31 – The jobs are NOT low wage jobs: http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590
How in the world is appointing qualified people who supported you unethical? If that’s the case, I guess every politician is unethical.
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It’s unethical when you consider they first have to donate to Perry’s campaign before they get appointed.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
48
Newb -
It’s unethical because it means that political power if for sale. It means that a Rick Perry cabinet would be for sale to the HIGHEST BIDDER.
Get it?
August 26th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
51:
SHOCKING, JUST SHOCKING!
August 26th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Ya know, Demint may have cooled on Mitt, but Haley and Mitt are friends. She’s much more likely to endorse Mitt than Perry, I think. He’ll probably still lose SC, but a strong second would be great!
August 26th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
53 & 54 – That’s nothing but speculation. I’m sure he would’ve appointed them regardless. Your supporters are your supporters and they will typically contribute to you financially.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
51
BREAKING NEWS:
Rick Perry Farts
August 26th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Maybe Romney can get Newt on his side now while showing him ways on how to hide some of the money’s anonymous sources..
American Solutions shuts its doors
By ALEXANDER BURNS/Politico | 8/26/11 3:06 PM EDT
The 527 group launched by Newt Gingrich is no more, Peter Stone reports:
The Newt Gingrich money machine that raised $52 million in just four years to promote his ideas and image, American Solutions for Winning the Future, has quietly gone belly up.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
I see Deroy Murdock has another hit piece on Romney out. What a surprise, he favors Perry! The only surprise is why it hasn’t been reprinted here on Race. Has Deroy fallen out of favor here?
August 26th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
58,
Seriously, are you about 13 years old? And does your mom know you’re in love with Mitt?
August 26th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Who’s Deroy?
Link?
August 26th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
# Newby Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
53 & 54 – That’s nothing but speculation. I’m sure he would’ve appointed them regardless. Your supporters are your supporters and they will typically contribute to you financially.
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Except this problem has been well documented well before Perry became a candidate for President. Perry has a long history of cronyism. Do a google search and you will find tons of hits. Many by conservative columnist like at national review online.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/178293-romney-attracts-criticism-that-he-is-writing-off-sc-iowa
August 26th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
“Rick Perry hates the Constitution, just like Barack Obama.”
I am liking Perry less and less by the hour, but I will never criticize him for being a man of strong religious faith. In fact, I admire any politician who recognizes the important role for morality and belief in political governance. We are fools to believe that we can separate the running of the country from the ideas and values which tell us how it should be run.
The idea that Children should not be allowed to learn about intelligent design or creationism, or that they should be forced to learn about it in the watered down, weak-kneed setting of a “comparative religions” or history class, even as science has proven itself wholly incapable of providing an alternative explanation of where we came from, is absolutely pathetic. There is no level of idiocy beyond preventing children from being instructed about an idea which most of the country AND most of the children believe in.
The idea that we can’t pray in public, or express our religious beliefs openly, or instruct children about commonly held views of the universe must have many of our founding fathers spinning in their graves.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
57. It’s not speculation, down here in Texas everybody knows the governor was always for sale. His Gardasill thing happened despite calls from the Texas congress to stop it before it happened because Perry wanted to help is former chief of staff who was now Merck’s lobbyist. This lobbyist stood to make millions if the mandate had not been overturned by the state congress.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
61
Now how about that, the child, Craig For Losers doesn’t like me. Ouch, I’m hurt. What else you got little boy?
Go put a diaper on, or your going to soil your panties. If you can’t take the heat, Adios MOFO.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
August 26th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Matthew Kilburn Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
“Rick Perry hates the Constitution, just like Barack Obama.”
I am liking Perry less and less by the hour, but I will never criticize him for being a man of strong religious faith.
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I agree, but I will criticize them when they use Religion as a wedge issue.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Governor Gardasil also went behind the backs of almosty everyone to award special contracts to donors and created laws that nobody else could get such contracts – only one could be given out, and it went to his biggest donors.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
66
That’s right. People in Texas know the real Cock Perry better than anyone else. Wasn’t he polling at about 8% there, below Bachmann, Palin, Paul, and Romney?
Children like Craig For Losers are too young to do their homework on the guy. The rest of the nation will figure it out soon enough though.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
I think Governor Gardasil regularly sold out his state’s best interests to benefit his donors. It’s everyhwere to read.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
“I agree, but I will criticize them when they use Religion as a wedge issue.”
If he was, as Huckabee did, using it to attack other people of faith…then perhaps yes. Of course, then I would accuse him of also being a bad Christian, not simply a bad candidate.
But the fact that liberals and atheists are trying to prevent education on, and displays of, religious belief is very rightfully a political issue.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
63 – You have no proof that he wouldn’t have appointed them anyway. It’s an unwinnable argument unless you have emails/letters/etc. There is nothing out of the ordinary about appointing those who supported you.
66 – The Gardasill thing is BS too. Merck contributed a whopping $6,000 to Perry total while contributing upwards of $1 Million to other candidates in Texas. This is another bogus argument that has no merit.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
I love the Governor Gardasil name…
August 26th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
65.
Amen to that, MK.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
69
He’s already used it with his prayer rally before announcing. Perry is slicker than Mike Huckabee – a true Judas in every sense of the word. Perry would be the first guy selling out the Christians to the Roman executioners for a nickel if he had the chance.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Reply to 68, Perry skipped Ames, but you wouldn’t say he is skipping Iowa. Same for Mitt. Mitt will decide when best to work SC and Iowa, not the media, Sen Demint.
Romney so far has played it well. He skipped Ames, and it look a great move considering that Perry came in and changed everything. By skipping this thing in SC, he puts himself above the fray as Bachmann must now fight for her political life against Rick Perry. Considering what she did to Pawlenty, this should be interesting.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
I don’t know if he is for Perry but I know he has been anti-Mitt since I can remember
August 26th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
…. How many of those jobs Perry created are taken by illegal aliens? Employers are much more likely to hire illegals than American citizens….Illegals don’t ask for much, and they don’t complain when they have to work 10 to 14 hours a day.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
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Governor Gardisil, Rick Perry is a sick monster. He labeled every little girl in Texas a slut with his Gardisil mandate, and the Legislature couldn’t move fast enough to stop it.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Well this poll might explain why Romney is skipping DeMint’s forum.
Honestly though, Romney has to face Perry sometime. Seems like this forum would have been a good opportunity for Romney as it has more than 1 minute for response time.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Governor Gardasil…PPPFFFTT.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/romney-stays-the-course/2011/03/29/gIQAoxpkgJ_blog.html
Romney has already prepared for this scenario with Mike Huckabee. Romney just goes back to Plan A for the nomination. Only problem for Perry is that he has a lot more baggage than the Huckster ever did and won’t be nearly as strong in the long run.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
81 – You are so out of line with your last two comments. Yep, stopping cancer = slut. Great analysis. Comments like most of yours have no place on this board or anywhere else for that matter. And qustioning someone’s faith is an absolute disgrace.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
CF the Kid,
Here’s another liberal site you missed dissing our next president. Thought you’d enjoy it.
http://perezhilton.com/2011-08-25-texas-governor-rick-perry-takes-the-lead-for-republican-nomination
August 26th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
# Texas Conservative Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Well this poll might explain why Romney is skipping DeMint’s forum.
Honestly though, Romney has to face Perry sometime. Seems like this forum would have been a good opportunity for Romney as it has more than 1 minute for response time.
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September 7th, Ronald Reagan library, Republican debate, Romney will be there, will Perry? We will see, he has a history of ducking debates.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
84:
And s. carolina will be marginalized some this go round.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Perry’s problem is that so much of his support is coming from those who expect a perfect candidate, and believe (for the moment) that Perry is that candidate. But Perfect candidates DO. NOT. EXIST. Romney isn’t, Reagan wasn’t, Obama wasn’t, and Perry certainly is not.
As I said the other day…it isn’t that Perry is inherently worse than Romney, only that he has a lot more to lose from being exposed as even a 90% conservative.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
67, 77
Dude, what’s your deal? Get some substance behind your comments. That kind of trash is not appreciated here.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Once again, Magellan comes up with their crazy Huntsman favorables, which are radically different than anything any other pollster comes up with.
I’m always loathe to assume dark motives in pollsters, but when every single one of their polls does this, and ONLY their polls do this, it makes a guy wonder……
August 26th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
85
Do you have any idea how HPV is transmitted? The same way HIV is transmitted: Primarily through SEX!
Forcing pre-teen girls to get the vaccine assumes that they’ll be sleeping around the block.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
74. Perry’s best friend, his former chief of staff, left to become lobbyist at Merck, and Perry immediately turns around and issues and executive mandate
August 26th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
CF,
Were you “Aaron I” at the old RightoSpere site? You guys talk senseless Jr. High trash in similar ways.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
90
“That kind of trash is not appreciated here.”
I totally agree! Governer Gardisil’s name should not be uttered on this site, it just taints everything.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
81.
You embarrass not only yourself but every Romney supporter here who doesn’t condemn your posts.
You really should grow up and post comments when you’re of age.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
“You are so out of line with your last two comments. Yep, stopping cancer = slut. Great analysis.”
I’m split on this. On one hand, we require vaccinations for all sorts of conditions, so I don’t see how we can much have a problem when one is added to the list.
At the same time, the nature of this condition…requiring the vaccination seems to follow the liberal thinking that “children will have promiscuous sex anyway, so we might as well give them birth control and condoms and defenses against STDs so they don’t experience any consequences from doing it”
and that I have a problem with.
Of course, either way you slice it, Perry is in no shape to criticize mandates or to wave the libertarian flag.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
97
Agreed. Good post.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
96
Coming from the kid that has supported loser candidates from day one, I’d expect more out of you Craig.
If you’re cool with Gov Gardisil’s mandate to label every little girl in his state a whore, then I guess you’d be okay calling your own daughter the same thing right?
August 26th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
CF needs to grow up or be banned from this site. The comments he is spewing is pure trash.
97 – It’s a tough situation. Like you said, we are required to get all kinds of vaccinations. Anytime you have something that can prevent cancer it needs to be looked at. Like Perry said, he should’ve engaged the people more and not issued the mandate. I can respect that kind of acknowledgement.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
99
Shut up.
Seriously, what is with your tone? Do you do this often. I know I’m not around all the time, but seriously… you’re annoying.
And all you can say is “if you can’t take the heat, adios MOFO.” Where are they going to go??? Straight to the voting booth to vote for the other guy, IDIOT!!!
If we can’t convince them to vote for Mitt, at least stop pissing off everyone who may still be deciding!!!!!
August 26th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
I have a hard time trusting Gov Gardisil. Who knows, he might just mandate that all little girls in America should be called whores too.
You gotta wonder what kind of power this lunatic would wield over our children as POTUS.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Is there no way to ban CF? His comments are beyond out of line.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Kavon,
New Gallup data is now out for a FPP.
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/alkwpmc9uek5cphxooswwq.gif
August 26th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
100
The problem is that all Perry is really acknowledging is that he lost. He didn’t “reconsider” until the legislature shot it back in his face.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
101
“Straight to the voting booth to vote for the other guy, IDIOT!!!”
Like Romney said, let them go. I’m not here to change minds, I’m here to lay out the facts. If you don’t like it, deal with it, but don’t resort to name calling.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Perry leads GOP field by 21 points among tea partiers, like, say, moi.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/26/gallup-perry-leads-gop-field-by-21-points-among-tea-partiers/
But here’s the money quote, friends and well wishers:
Things may look dire for Romney, but he can always lose complete bladder control before he starts spending campaign cash like a drunken sailor as he spins like a top to stake out every possible position on every possible issue, which make his impending series of primary failures seem even more like 2008.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
I’m glad CF is here. He’s the biggest asshole on this site and the best thing going for people who are already unsure whether they could support Mitt.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
103.
Newby,
Kavon W. Nikrad is the founder and Managing Editor of Race42012.com. He can be contacted at kavon.nikrad@race42012.com
August 26th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
105 – He could’ve used his veto pen, but he didn’t. He certainly could’ve fought it more than he did. Perry was not looking at it like some did…that b/c one way to get it is via sex, that we are condoning being sexually active. I think his point of view was we have a way to stop cancer.
And while we disagree on the candidates we are supporting, I will gladly vote for Romney if he wins the nomination.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
104. Yikes. Romney’s in a death-spiral. He’s fallen, and he can’t get up. His whole strategy has been revealed for the sham it always was. But more to the point, I wonder how the Romney-or-Die weirdos will spin this particular poll, e.g.:
Oh, hey, things look great for Romney!–tanking in the polls was precisely what he wanted to do so that [fill in the blank with some preposterous rationalization]
August 26th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
108 – I would normally agree, but he has reached a new low today.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
106
You go from uber insulting to holier than thou? Ok, I apologize for calling you an idiot, ya jackass.
Mitt doesn’t win ANYWHERE with his current numbers. Even NH, he’s in the high 30s. That won’t win when 60+% of the people might go to the other guy.
Jackass.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Perry’s record and dealings as Governor will come out soon enough…..and when it does, it will almost be worth DeMint endorsing Perry just to see what a hypocrite he is.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Well, you’re probably right. But what are Romney’s options at the moment? His campaign has yet to even begin to test any of the premises of its strategy in an actual contest and it’s already fallen all to pieces–whatever ridiculous figure Romney paid his lack-wit consultants it was way, way too much.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
39. YES! LET THEM EAT CAKE!!!
Those people that have masters degrees and are working at the fry station at McD’s should be happy with what they have. My gosh – are you serious? Socialism isn’t thinking that good paying jobs should be created and touted and not a bunch of minimum wage jobs.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
108, 109
The first sign that I’ve won the debate is when people start yelling profanity and calling for a ban.
Thanks for putting a smile on my face today you two kids.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
#108 Sojourner Truth
You mean you would let CF’s comments turn you away from the candidate he supports, when you could care less if your guy is a corrupt crook…What a hypocrite!
August 26th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
117 – Keep “winning”, CF.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
People work for a living. I see nothing wrong that people expect a full and honest should provide them with a living.
“screw you if you think you make too little” is hardly a good motto on which to build a capitalist society.
Yes, people should be happy to have a job, even one for $8/hr….but that hardly means that is an acceptable way to build an economy.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
a little dramatic don’t you think. lol.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
“106
You go from uber insulting to holier than thou? Ok, I apologize for calling you an idiot, ya jackass.
Mitt doesn’t win ANYWHERE with his current numbers. Even NH, he’s in the high 30s. That won’t win when 60+% of the people might go to the other guy.
Jackass.”
Woah hohoho!! Calm down dude. Romney’s still got a great strategy and path to the nomination in place. It’s not the time to go wacko here.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
So, if your hypothetical fry-cook has a masters degree is in media studies, or post-colonial studies, or Greek, then, yes, this person’s wage probably reflects what the market is willing to pay in return for his or her labour. The problem would be a higher-education bubble driven by government subsidies where students assume ridiculous amounts of debt in return for non-performing degrees.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
111.
How ’bout this one, too Talk about ouch! And leaving a scar:
Among voters who rank Social Issues and Moral Values high..
Perry 38%
Romney 15%
August 26th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
119
I always do.
August 26th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
“The first sign that I’ve won the debate is when people start yelling profanity and calling for a ban.”
Or that you’re such an air brain that its less time consuming, and just as effective, to insult you as opposed to trying to present reasoned evidence which you either can’t understand or choose to ignore.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
126
Let’s see how effective it can be then. So far you’ve called me an “idiot, jackass, air brain”. What else you got?
August 26th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Let’s face it.
this debate today just shows that both Mitt and Ricky have issues that are going to be hard to overcome once a real comparison of candidates records takes place.
And then there’s Sarah.
Like a glittering jewel of ethics and frugal, successful governance. Her stellar record of cutting spending, reforming entitlements and leaving her state fiscally solvent for decades to come will shine brightly by comparison.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
125 – Just like Romney in 2008. Regardless of any childish rants by CF…
Perry leads in Iowa and SC and nationally.
Romney’s Rose Garden Strategy is failing.
Voters prefer Perry 52-36 in a head to head matchup with Romney.
Fox News viwers think that Perry has a better chance of winning than Romney by 75-25.
Krauthammer says that the base is not enthused over Romney (obviously…)
Romney has been running since 2004 and still can’t get people to like him or want to vote for him.
No amount of crying, whining or regurgitating leftwing talking points is making Republicans want to vote for Romney. And it won’t.
It’s a good day.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
“So, if your hypothetical fry-cook has a masters degree is in media studies, or post-colonial studies, or Greek, then, yes, this person’s wage probably reflects what the market is willing to pay in return for his or her labour. The problem would be a higher-education bubble driven by government subsidies where students assume ridiculous amounts of debt in return for non-performing degrees.”
and why can’t their labor be undervalued?
The assumption that wages can be too high, but never too low, is part of the reasons that Conservatives aren’t making any ground among blue collar workers.
It makes absolutely no sense to send jobs that allow workers to participate in the consumer economy to a place where workers will be paid barely enough to buy bread.
A Capitalist economy is a consumer economy. A consumer economy requires consumers. Consumers require a consumer wage.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
This site has been pretty underwhelming today. Where are all TEX’s hated “beard scratchers?”
I’m tired of this arguing with each other over minutia.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
CF – Doesn’t it bother you that the smarter, more stable Rombots are embarrassed to have you on their team?
I think CF is a plant. He’s a Perry supporter. He has to be.
Because all he does is repel people from Romney and make them form negative opinions of the Rombots.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
A wage is the price for someone’s labour, and a function of productivity. If you have a skill or have earned a professional credential that someone needs, you can command a high wage for it. The problem isn’t employers who refuse to pay a living wage. The problem is the general decline in U.S. productivity.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Guys gotta watch this:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1128965412001/power-play-romney-versus-perry/
Good example here of how little people know about Perry. And they all still called Romney the front-runner.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
CF,
I’ve seen several threads where some of your fellow Rombots have called you out.
Does the thought ever flash through your head, “Hey, maybe I ought to rethink my approach”?
Because when half your own side is willing to frag you, it might be time to reassess.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
MassCon,
“Where are all TEX’s hated “beard scratchers?””
Yo.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Governor Gardasil has just begun. Can’t wait to see him in an uncontrolled interview, or even in a debate, where he has to take questions off the cuff. It will look just like his Texas debates.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Wages can be too high or too low. But a wage is a price, and functions like a price. If a commodity is over-priced, consumers will turn to alternatives and the price will moderate to a natural level; is a commodity is underpriced, demand will spike and the wage will rise to a natural level. This is how the price system works. It is the same with labour. If I underpay my employees, they will wander off to where they can command a better wage. This is why human resources departments either pay for, or develop their own data on wages for the various kinds of professions, and skills, of the people in their employ, so that they can be reasonably certain that they offer competitive compensation packages. Otherwise, the quality of people who apply will be too low.
The problem is developing a skill-set that the market is willing to pay for. If you don’t have one, you have a problem, because whatever the minimum wage is, that is about what you’ll get.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
137
Agreed. It’s going to be a very long next 6 months to the Iowa Caucus. Perry’s path to the nomination relies on the hope his record stays quiet and he can dodge debates. Romney’s path is like a long distance marathon.
The good news is that Rick Perry is peaking now instead of in December like Huckabee did. There’s nowhere to go but down here on out.
You’ve gotta love Romney’s chances here.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
136. good to see you Matt!
How’s that Huntsman campaign coming?
Or is it going?
August 26th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
120 – They are not $8/hour jobs. That is BS myth reported by the liberal media.
http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590
August 26th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
“The problem is the general decline in U.S. productivity.”
…except that productivity has consistently increased.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Good article on TNR
The bold type is the salient point. Romney can “contrast” himself with other Republicans – but its not clear that conservatives are going to pay much attention when its the liberal Romney doing the contrasting.
http://www.tnr.com/article/the-permanent-campaign/94231/mitt-romney-strategy-primary
August 26th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Romney’s thoroughly repellent to ordinary humans, the same way that ventriloquist dummies or department store mannikins creep some people out, it’s that feeling you get when something seems almost human, but not quite. But Romney has lots of money and he’s easily fooled by the flaks and flatterers who pass for his campaign staff. He honestly believes them when they tell him he has a chance. And they don’t care if the hapless former financier loses again and again. His cheques never bounce. But Romney sure does. Like a ping-pong ball in that hurricane that’s about to make landfall.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
CF, I think if all candidate supporters were civil and reasonable as the two on this clip, our discussions on this site would be more enlightening. In fact, I think the Perry supporter (I am not a perry supporter) on this clip was one of most reasonable, calm and informative supporters that I have seen, including this site.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
144. That.
Whoa, very well stated my man.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
No. It hasn’t. Not even on its own terms:
http://elenchics.wordpress.com/2011/08/21/tyler-cowen-of-the-nyt-in-the-second-quarter-this-year-the-u-s-bureau-of-labor-statistics-reported-nonfarm-u-s-business-labor-productivity-fell-by-0-3-percent-the-second-quarterly-drop-in-a-r/
It’s even worse when you consider U.S. productivity relative to emerging markets.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Perry is a huge flip-flopper, the biggest of them all. He changed parties for political expediency, he changed his mind from one day to the next of state’s rights.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Perry being ahead of government spending means that Americans don’t even know Perry’s record on government spending in Texas. In other words, America doesn’t even know Rick Perry yet.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Whenever it looks like someone might run away with the nomination early, voters pull them back to earth. I think its a natural and responsible reaction given the enormous power of the presidency. If that safety net is discarded you may get a nominee not built to go the distance.
In sports, a reigning champion always prefers to play the team who is in the playoffs for the first time. Even if that team is enormously talented.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
“This site has been pretty underwhelming today. Where are all TEX’s hated “beard scratchers?”
I’m tired of this arguing with each other over minutia.”
You’ve been on the wrong thread. Over at “Romney unleashes on a heckler” we had an interesting debating going regarding whether American Conservatism’s take on economics is a well thought out ideology or a rigid set of policy stances that’s a poor excuse for an ideology and not conservative in any sense of the word but its own. Well… at least I thought it was an interesting debate.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
“It’s even worse when you consider U.S. productivity relative to emerging markets.”
So we should expect US workers to have to compete with those who work in virtual slavery for just a few cents an hour.
Its unreasonable, and counter to the needs of a consumer economy.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
“Whenever it looks like someone might run away with the nomination early, voters pull them back to earth. I think its a natural and responsible reaction given the enormous power of the presidency. ”
You’re referring to Romney, or Perry?
August 26th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
It’s gonna be fun watching Perry crash and burn when voter’s get to know this guys record and realize he is a media creation all along…..Now, they may not want to vote for Romney, but at least Perry will be exposed for what he is…..
August 26th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
6:
Then why was Michigan alone, set a week before S. Carolina, almost enough to propel Romney over McCain who won in both S. Carolina and New Hampshire?
It’s arguable that in 2008, Michigan was already more important than S. Carolina in Florida.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
#153 – I was speaking in general with a nod to Hillary’s wins in NH, TX and NC, which in each case brought Obama back down to earth when it looked like he might run away with it. I don’t think republicans are any different than democrats in this regard.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
155 – Michigan was already seen as a Romney “home” state.
So the fact that Romney did well there last time, but not well enough overall to win the ballgame – makes it less important this time.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
157:
Possibly. If nothing else, it’s unlikely that Michigan will be a shock victory that brings Romney back from the dead like it was then. However, Perry winning a southern state will be ho-hum itself.
If two expected outcomes happen on the same day, then the Florida polls aren’t likely to twitch as a result.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
You seem to think in static and mechanical terms. Economies are systems. They change; they adapt. Chinese workers, for example, are beginning to enjoy a higher standard of living–unevenly, and incompletely–as are Indian workers. And since these are economies that enjoy rising rates of productivity, the producers are bidding up the price of their labour, or their wages. Again, a wage is like a price, and a lower than market price is unsustainable, so wages and living standards are beginning to rise in emerging markets. In the meantime, however, the U.S. consumer has been made marginally richer by means of access to low-cost Chinese goods and services, and even capital goods–that subsidy is already going away, the result being a general rise in prices for consumer goods. Is that a good thing? Or a bad thing? It’s just a thing. It’s the way markets work.
Also, you seem to think that consumption–as in consume, or as in “consumer society”, whatever that means–is an entity or a phenomenon that can be considered independently of production–it can’t. To produce is to consume; to consume is to produce. Just as what I produce is a demand for what someone else produces. I work (produce) so that I can buy what other people make (consume). The problem in the U.S. is not consumption–we consume as much as we ever have–even the unemployed need to eat–the problem is production, or our productivity, which has fallen off for any number of reasons. We aren’t producing, or we aren’t producing what other people want. So, once again, you seem to have everything backwards.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Why do the Rombots love posting links from liberal publications who distort and mangle Perry’s record.
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day. The tripling of state debt, the huge budget deficits, and pay for play are all public record. Just because you want to do the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil routine does not make it so.
August 26th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
It looks like CraigS has joined the likes CF, Telly, and Tex on the ship of fools — well it was bound to happen as the polls came rolling in after Perry’s entrance.
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You are nothing but a fool. Apparently you love supporting big spending Republicans like Perry.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Krauthammer: Romney isn’t good on the attack
August 26th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Adamx. Newsflash. Mitt is ahead in FL by double digits. Let me count the electoral votes in Fla. I’ll give flip flooper (oh, sorry – pivited) Panderperry SC. Mitt has the rest.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
How in the world is appointing qualified people who supported you unethical? If that’s the case, I guess every politician is unethical.
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So many of them just happen to be big campaign donors. That’s unethical. So is soliciting them directly for campaign contributions. When a big donor’s request was denied the board that oversees the enterprise fund, Perry personally got involved to overturn it.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Telly,
“How’s that Huntsman campaign coming?”
I’m going to start referring to the bamboo metaphor, or whatever that tree is that grows 4 inches the first 10 years, and then shoots up 53 feet over a day and a half.
How’s the Palin campaign?
August 26th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
MWS
I just thought about it… if I didn’t trust Mitt I guess Huntsman would be my #1 too. But if that were the case, I probably wouldn’t be enthusiastic enough about him to follow the race all that much.
I guess arguing with people on this site floats your boat well enough.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
163 – Rightgal. You talking to me?
Mitt isn’t ahead in FL by double digits. Yesterday’s FL poll from Mason Dixon showed him ahead of Perry by only 28-21. And closing fast.
And Perry is ahead in IA too.
I’m quite happy with the way the race is progressing.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
161.
Beats supporting cowards who desert their post halfway through loke Sarahquitta did.
The public hates that type of politician by a factor of 2 to 1 …
August 26th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
loke = *like
August 26th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
“How’s the Palin campaign?”
I need to think up some more synonyms for ‘awesome.’
But yeah, looking very good. Very Good.
Even the LA Times was impressed with her statement on Libya.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/08/sarah-palin-libya.html
Baby steps…but perceptions are changing.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Perry leads GOP field by 21 points among tea partiers, like, say, moi.
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Until the field is complete, this is totally meaningless. If Palin does get in, she will challenge him on several issues. The huge rise in spending and debt in Texas. Also since she has fought the corrupting influence of money in politics, she will likely compare her record to his. Perry’s record is the antithesis of what the tea party stands for.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
167 Adam X
“I’m quite happy with the way the race is progressing.”
So you’re happy that after all the fanfare and attention, Perry is still within reach of Romney, despite Romney being hammered constantly at every mention of his name for the last 10 months and Perry not being hammered even ONCE on Fox or talk?
August 26th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Beats supporting cowards who desert their post halfway through loke Sarahquitta did.
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$600,000 in legal bills would have been no trouble for Perry. He just would have sold off more board appointments. Thank you for showing your lack of ethics.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
173
Well-played.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
160.
Newsflash, Franky. The libs HATE all of our candidates so linking to them constantly is both silly and desperate.
Who cares if the LA Times thinks Palin is the greatest thing since sliced bread. They’re playing the Palinites for fools (which is very easy to do. See Tex. See Telly. See mirror.)
August 26th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
172 – I’m happy that in a week and a half my candidate has shot ahead of the guy who has been (so far unsuccessfully) schmoozing his way to the presidency since 2004.
And I’m looking forward to the fact that now Romney is going to be forced to explain how RomneyCare is really great and conservative and how all the Tea Partiers (whose votes he wants) are wrong for disagreeing.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Palin made $7,000,000 off her book that she “supposedly” wrote.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
177 – I think at this point it’s not even worth engaging the Palin Parade until she actually gets into the race.
You know really has to grind on her that Perry didn’t seek her permission before jumping in and stealing her base.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Matt
“How’s the Palin campaign?”
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Awesome!!!
Only now I see clearly her brilliant strategy!
She’s getting ready,while watching the vetting of Romney and corrupt
Tricky Ricky begin.
By the time she declares they will bloody each other a lot,she will
swoop in for the easy kill!
August 26th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Half a mil could also have been raised by her fanboys OVERNIGHT. (Defense Fund)
She quit. She’s a coward therefore UNFIT for the most powerful office on this planet. Period.
By 2 to 1, Americans agree with me.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
I just don’t understand how she can have 41 percent of Republicans say that they would never vote for her.
It’s almost like she makes Mitt seem popular.
And that’s something even Mitt can’t do.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
176:
Explaining his healthcare plan, yeah that’s a new one for Mitt.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
172.
If you’re actually waiting for Fox (#1 ranking in viewers BY FAR) to zing Perry, not gonna happen.
But you just switch over to lowly watched and liberal CNN or MSNBC, you can cheer out loud while they diss Rick Perry. Enjoy, Rombot.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
“Palin made $7,000,000 off her book that she “supposedly” wrote.”
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Sarah Palin made much more than that.
She sold 3.2 million “Going Rogue” and over one million “America by Heart”.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
176
Based on what I’ve seen, most Regular Republicans come away satisfied after Romney’s explanation of Romneycare. Granted, the frothing mouths don’t like his explanation, but they don’t like any explanation of anything, no matter how reasonable it is.
And remember what happened to Rudy and Fred in 2007. Perry seems headed down that path.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
183
I cannot bear to watch MSNBC or CNN. They are booooooooooooring as Hell. I watch Fox, to see what the corrupt media establishment has to say about Rick Perry (since birds of feather flock together).
August 26th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
185:
I don’t think Perry will forget to actually compete in any elections like Rudy, or forget to campaign at all like Fred.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
You’re missing the 24/7 Perry hatefest over at CNN/MSNBC then
Why do they hate him so much?
August 26th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Craig For Losers,
The September 3rd is coming.
Governor Palin will deliver a major speech in Iowa.
You predicted there will be 100 people and 20 reporters.
Soon we will know how smart or how stupid you are.
Tell us,give us prediction,you will look very smart or a total moron.
Which is it gonna be???
August 26th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
No debates yet. No hardball interviews yet (except the question from the college kid resulting in a finger in the chest). No townhall meetings yet. Perry the prophet is nothing more than a hypothesis. That is the reason for his showing in the polls. Too many people will only support someone/something that doesn’t really exist–just the image in their mind of what they hope he is. Disappointment will follow in due course.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Those of you are praying, hoping, and wishing that Perry is Thompson in disguise or that he’s going to take it easy on poor little Willard in the debates — are setting yourself up for a world of political pain.
I don’t blame Willy for running from the SC/DeMint debate next month where there will not be any time limits placed on the candidates answers and interactions.
Run, Willard, Ruuuuuuun … back to New England!
August 26th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
188
Because of various reasons, mostly that he’s a Republican, and also because he’s mean to Obama.
It’s kind of like how we all hate Debbie Wasserman Shultz so much. Do we fear her? No. It’s because she’s a total b—- and she’s a spineless liberal spin doctor.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Memorize those 30 second answers, Mitt. That’ll work. LOL!
August 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
190
“Perry the prophet is nothing more than a hypothesis”
NAILED IT!!
August 26th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
193:
[chuckles]
One thing you can’t accuse Romney of is not being able to formulate a response on the fly.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
191
Perry isn’t going to come back to Earth because he’s lazy. It’s going to be because he’s a phony Conservative:
tax increases
STD vaccines mandated for pre-teens
corruption
selling out American oil fields to the Chinese military (Huawei)
selling out Americans to Mexico and Canada (Trans-Texas Corridor)
executing an innocent man and covering up
doubling the TX budget
tripling the TX debt
calling Social Security a “Ponzi scheme”
opposing the 16th Amendment
questioning the patriotism of Americans (Bernanke, others)
August 26th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
CNN/MSNBC
Each Hour..
2/3 devoted to Perryhate
1/3 devoted to Michelehate
Romney? They pretty much leave Mitt alone because the liberal actually LOVE ObamneyCare and Massachusetts $50 abortions. They don’t get WHY conservatives don’t like either by a 70/30 margin.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
I predict Palin will make money off her stooges on September 3rd leading them on like sheep.
That’s my prediction. Let’s see who’s right and who’s French, Tex.
August 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
197
It’s because they hate Perry and Michele more than Mitt, I’ll agree with you on THAT. But I wouldn’t say they LOVE Mitt, not in the least.
And do we HAVE to discuss the abortion issue AGAIN?
The abortion coverage under Romneycare was MANDATED BY THE COURTS AFTER THE LAW WAS ALREADY PASSED.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Thomas,
Why is Mittens afraid to come down to South Carolina next month and debate Perry and Bachmann in an extended answers debate forum?
Same question for you, Frenchy.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
199.
THEN he shouldn’t have signed the law in the first place if he knew $50 abortions would LATER become a part of RomneyCare because of the courts..
Bottom line, he and his co-architect buddy, Teddy Kennedy knew. I saw how JOYFUL they were at the signing.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
By the time corrupt Ricky Perry is vetted and exposed for a phony fraud,
a crony rip off he is,Sarah Palin will swoop in and club him and gut him
like a fish.
The man is opposite of the image uninformed people have about him.
http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/08/video-perry-refuses-to-explain-debt-record-in-texas.html
He’s lucky he did this crap on a nerdy student.
I doubt this phony cowboy would ever try this crap with the real man.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Ok, it’s time for Angels/Rangers baseball!
See ya after the game (,;P
August 26th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
And that’s exactly why the “$50 abortion” charge keeps coming back.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Half a mil could also have been raised by her fanboys OVERNIGHT. (Defense Fund) Pretty sure she couldn’t promote or use anything like that while she was in office.
She quit. She’s a coward Non sequitur. What if there were good reasons for her resignation? You used to like her, BTW, and that was for a long time AFTER she resigned. Your attacks (like all your posts) are transparent and tiresome.
therefore UNFIT for the most powerful office on this planet. Period. The premise was faulty, so is the conclusion.
By 2 to 1, Americans agree with me. Irrelevant to any discussion of whether she should be President.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
200:
Not sure what you’re speaking of (is it DeMint’s forum?). Romney’s never been uncomfortable about debating. Same can’t be said for Perry.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
204:
So, Romney should have done his best to stop people from being insured at all in Massachusetts?
August 26th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
199. Just remember to take “facts” with a grain of salt that come from a guy who changes candidates more often than he brushes his teeth and changes names more frequently than he changes his shorts.
No wonder he loves Perry the pivoting prophet. At least this week.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
207 – Considering most of them already were insured and that costs shot through the roof and that ideologically his decision is not conservative, it would seem to be that the answer is yes.
At least in the eyes of the conservative electorate that will choose our nominee.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
MassCon,
“I guess arguing with people on this site floats your boat well enough.”
Sometimes it’s not the destination, it’s the journey.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
209:
Okay, so you’re against people having healthcare. Interesting stand.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
As opposed to Mitt the Morphing Monarch ?
August 26th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
211 – Being opposed to being forced to buy health insurance may be interesting, but its also majority opinion in the Republican Party.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
212. Ha ha–good one!
August 26th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
213:
Now you’re drifting the argument.
We were talking about the $50 co-pay here. Mass courts require it, or something like it for all insurance plans. I asked if it meant Romney should have tried to stop people from being insured, and you said “yes”.
Good luck getting that by even the conservative wing of the party.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
215 – Did or did not RomneyCare increase the availability of $50 abortions?
Regardless of whether or not the court required it, Romney knew the court required it. So in enacting RomneyCare, Romney made $50 abortions more possible.
Now if I were a single issue voter and the pro-life cause was paramount to me, that wouldn’t sit well with me.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Oh, my. Inhofe blasts Romney on the anthropogenic climate change myth. Here’s the money quote:
Romney is toast. No global warmist no matter how lukewarm their flip-floppy support will win the GOP nomination.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/08/26/inhofe-romney-climate-change/
August 26th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Half a mil could also have been raised by her fanboys OVERNIGHT. (Defense Fund)
She quit. She’s a coward therefore UNFIT for the most powerful office on this planet. Period.
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It was but there were ethics complaints filed on that. The law firm that looked at it just happened to be on retainer to Barack Obama at the time.
She resigned so she could preserve what she had accomplished and cut the legs out on Democrats. It was a smart political move. Interesting you support the two most UNFIT candidates. Also interesting on why you seem to support pay for play. That shows a lack of values.
August 26th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Quewstion for the grop or eaven a FPP…
Will Craig For Everyone kill Race for 2012 the way he did ROS?
August 26th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
216:
You’re really doubling down on this theory that it’s preferable for people to have no insurance than to have insurance which the Supreme Court says needs an abortion co-pay or something similar. And that Romney should have worked to make fewer people had health insurance instead of expanding it. Wow.
Well good luck with that.
August 26th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Just a thought before bed . . .
There is talk in both parties about having a big tent or a broad coalition. If that is true, it means the GOP must have room for the Huntsmans, Patakis and Guilianis, as well as the Ron Pauls and tea party. My question is, if there is room for these disparate elements, do they have an equal right to the nomination?
In other words, are there parts of the coalition that cannot have a nominee?
August 26th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
221 – But the Democrats have room for the Ben Nelson’s, the Manchins, the Maxine Waters, Kucinichs.
That doesn’t mean that they’re ever going to be nominated.
Just because various people and their viewpoints are welcome in a given party doesn’t mean that they get to speak for the ENTIRE party as a presidential candidate.
August 26th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
221. Very good question–and timely. I’d have to say that I don’t know the answer to that.
August 26th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Oh, I see the Whiner twins (Doug and Ham) snarking again in one of their very rare visits to this site. Those two are regulars at all the Romney fanboys sites and are not used to diverse opinions like we have here at Race42012. There attempt to dominate ROS with their 24/7 slobbering over Romney was thwarted – And now they’re soooooooo mad.
Well, toughen up boys and tell me why Romney’s in dead red negative territory…
http://www.pollster.com/USRomneyFavr.png
August 26th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
PabloZed,
“In other words, are there parts of the coalition that cannot have a nominee?”
Short answer: yes. I actually think the range of plausible nominees is narrower than even your post would suggest. It’s not just a narrow ideological veto- there’s also a cultural veto and a “past statement veto”. So a candidate who’s basically “right” on all the issues, but who isn’t representative of the cultural vibe of the party (Pawlenty for instance) is basically dead to the world. A candidate like Romney, who’s compiled a fairly conservative voting record but who, due to practical constraints, has said a lot of liberal things in the past, is dead to world (provided there’s any other feasible alternative). The only people that get to be GOP nominees are red-staters who hit one of the major cultural hot-buttons.
August 26th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
205.
Matt Y,
It is relevant because without enough voters on your side that like you, YOU LOSE.
This is what happened when your beloved ‘Sarah the Quitter Queen’ abandoned the governor’s job that she had promised (those who voted for her) she would fulfill:
http://pollster.com/USPalinFavr.php
August 26th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
224. You must be new to this site–hello and welcome!
August 26th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
“The only people that get to be GOP nominees are red-staters who hit one of the major cultural hot-buttons.”
One is not enough.
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/alkwpmc9uek5cphxooswwq.gif
If this is your highest priority as a voter…
Social Issues and Moral Values
Perry 38%
Romney 15%
Business and Economy
Perry 25%
Romney 19%
Government Out of Control Spending and Power
Perry 31
Romney 17
August 26th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Also who Tea Party Supporters/Non Tea Party Supporters like..
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/jfum1k_re0e3gjkjoqs1pg.gif
August 26th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
We had one just 3 years ago that’s downright hostile to mainstream conservatism.
Just don’t expect them to win.
August 26th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
This guy is good,smart and funny.
http://mrltavern.blogspot.com/2011/08/if-youre-going-to-palinstock-in.html
August 26th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Tex, I hope you can make it to Indianola!
It’s going to be epic.
August 26th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
These polls really have little to do with Perry. They do, however, have alot to do with Gov. Romney who, despite the fanatical visions of CF that have Romney cakewalking to the nomination, has his share of detractors and has work to do if he wants to be the nominee. This is true of all of them, as Gov. Perry will discover shortly, whenever the media decides they are ready to change the narrative of the race.
I really don’t know if Perry can win the nomination or not, and all these polls really reveal is that the race is still wide open.
August 26th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
This is what happened when your beloved ‘Sarah the Quitter Queen’ abandoned the governor’s job that she had promised (those who voted for her) she would fulfill:
===============================================
She was put in a impossible situation by the state of Alaska. Even though she was being exonerated of ethics charges, she was faced with huge legal bills. Let’s talk about liar Rick who swore up and down he had no interest in the White House when he was running for governor. Keep clucking chicken hawk.
August 26th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Government Out of Control Spending and Power
Perry 31
Romney 17
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Just shows how stupid people are. Is Rick Perry going to do for the country what he has done for Texas? Triple the state debt. Huge deficits. Funnel taxpayer dollars to big contributors. We’ve already got that. I guess Rick Perry will do what has been done in Texas to eliminate the deficit. Push payments into the next fiscal year. Pretend programs don’t exist. Order the CBO to increase their revenue estimates.
August 26th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
234.
She quit because the job wasn’t lucrative. Period.
And her numbers have tanked ever since. See #226 for proof.
235.
And yet, just nine months ago she whole heartedly endorsed the Texas governor and his 10 year record.
And Perry has it all on video for campaign ad purposes.
August 26th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
teledude,
Of course I will be in Indianola!
As a matter of fact I will fly to Chicago first instead of Des Moines so I get some of my Chicago friends to go with me.
It will be more than a blast!!!
Sarah Palin will NOT announce there and personally I don’t want her to.
She wants to see Romney and Perry vetted as much as possible before
she swoops in for the kill.
Sarahcuda will only clobber Mittens,but she will gut phony cowboy Perry
like a fish!!!
August 26th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Tex, Dude I would love to meet you.
I don’t know how it would be possible in that mass of humanity….but perhaps I can email you my cell number or something.
Here’s an interesting tidbit for the others to choke on:
Sarah Palin is the ONLY potential candidate who has actually ever reduced the size of government and returned power to local authorities and the people.
The rill dill.
August 26th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Franklin,
Please,don’t pay attention to Craig For Losers.The guy is a lost cause
just like losers he supports.
Sarah Palin was his #2 choice long,long time after she resigned her
governor post.
What does it tell you?
Craig For Losers has no standards,no moral compass,no character!
Ignore the slob!
August 26th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Can anyone name the last time Craig said something intelligent?
…
…
…
I can’t
August 26th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
INTRADE: South Carolina Primary (Republican)
STH.CARO.PERRY
Rick Perry to win the 2012 South Carolina Primary M Trade 63.0
STH.CARO.BACHMANN
Michele Bachmann to win the 2012 South Carolina Primary M Trade 13.0
STH.CARO.ROMNEY
Mitt Romney to win the 2012 South Carolina Primary M Trade 8.0
August 26th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Has smackdaddy been back to race yet?
August 26th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
No, TC ..but I’m sure he will after he finds another candidate to support.
August 26th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
Bachmann gets Top 10 from Heritage
August 26th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
TEX,
Huck was your number two here for years. But now you only make fun of him and constantly call him a liberal. So was he REALLY your #2?
August 27th, 2011 at 12:02 am
South Carolina isn’t looking as bad as I feared it would after Gallup. If Mitt has Big MO going into it, he should be able to win it.
Of course, we’re not even certain what the early state calendar is yet.
August 27th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Today’s action at InTrade for Iowa..
INTRADE: Iowa Caucus (Republican)
August 27th, 2011 at 12:15 am
Texas Conservative
Smack actually HAS been back to race since Ames. He said (at the time) that he would support Romney unless Paul Ryan got in. His last comment should be on that thread, actually.
August 27th, 2011 at 12:19 am
Here is a link to Smack’s most recent visit to race42012.
http://race42012.com/2011/08/17/as-romney-falls-gop-establishment-turns-to-ryan/#comments
August 27th, 2011 at 12:22 am
And yet, just nine months ago she whole heartedly endorsed the Texas governor and his 10 year record.
And Perry has it all on video for campaign ad purposes.
==========================================================
Huge difference between running for Governor of Texas and President. We need a small government conservative and Rick Perry is not that.
“Here are some highlights from Perry’s publicly-funded personal spending bill, via RCP:
$700,000 for the “lavish” rental home where Perry has lived for nearly four years, while the governor’s mansion is being renovated.
$8,400 for maintenance on the house’s heated pool.
$1,001 for Neiman Marcus window coverings
$1,000 for repairs on a filtered ice machine.
$70 for a home subscription to Food & Wine magazine (this one is sure to draw populist ire).
Perry has previously come under fire for taxpayer-financed house bills. In 2007, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee — a conservative favorite who lived in a trailer while his governor’s residence was under repair — suggested Perry should follow his example and find a good mobile home. Perry’s response: “Texas ain’t Arkansas.”"
On the other hand Palin sold the state plane and traveled coach, got rid of the state chaffeur and the state cook.
August 27th, 2011 at 12:31 am
She quit because the job wasn’t lucrative. Period. And her numbers have tanked ever since. See #226 for proof.
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If she was willing to leave Alaska, she could get a multi-million dollar deal doing a conservative type Oprah show. What she is making from speeches and Fox is chickenfeed compared to what she is making now. Period.
“When you see her in person, you realize she’s not the idiot they make her out to be on TV,” said Michael Raab, 39, chief operating officer of CMS LLC, an insurance wholesaler based in Massapequa, New York. “She’ll change more minds if she does more interactions like this.”
August 27th, 2011 at 12:33 am
Inhofe calls out Romney on climate
August 27th, 2011 at 1:08 am
Unbelievable!!!!!…..Perry is asking the Federal Government for reimbursement of funds that Texas has spent on the cost of incarceration and services for illegals over the years, due to the Governments failure to build a fence along the boarder
Is this a cue for FOX and the hypocrite conservative blabbermouths on radio to look the other way on Perry’s open boarder and anything for cheap labor policy?
August 27th, 2011 at 1:20 am
I wonder what Perry is promising this loser Mr.Inhofs ….He’s trying a little too hard here with his classless endorsement..sometimes you just have to use your head and read between the lines.
August 27th, 2011 at 2:05 am
254:
Actually, Inhofe’s endorsement and somewhat dogmatic focus on global warming is pretty much in character for him.
August 27th, 2011 at 5:56 am
Re Favorability Ratings:
Perry and Cain’s high positive deferential, I believe, is because they are lesser known and what voters have heard about them is mostly positive.
I am more at a loss to understand the high negative deferential for Gingrich, Paul and Huntsman. There is no common thread. I suspect Ron Paul’s negatives mostly relate to his isolationist and anti-military sentiments. Huntsman may be opposite of Perry in that what is known about him is negative. For a candidate of his caliber without a national presence, his negatives are probably unprecedented.
August 27th, 2011 at 7:27 am
#224,
It has nothing to do with Romney. It has to do with your smug, obnoxious spamming EVRY thread with your drivel. But your activity does make it easier to ge to the real good commmnets by flying past yours.
Get a life.
August 27th, 2011 at 8:06 am
225. MEM, I know you’re frustated about what happened to TPaw, but we all know how a candidate like Romney can win the nomination: by forming a coalition. In fact, he may already have one with Bachmann. I think he’d be wise to team up with Huck instead because polls consistently showed him to be strong with indies, but if Bachmann can hang on through super Tuesday, it may be enough for Romney to win the nomination.
August 27th, 2011 at 8:10 am
258:
If Bachmann loses Iowa, she’s a non-entity in the race from then on. She can drop out or stay, but she won’t do any better than 4th in any race.
August 27th, 2011 at 8:22 am
mac,
I don’t “know” that at all. Rombots have been accusing me, for months, of somehow hating Romney because I pined for another alternative. I don’t hate Romney- I like him. But I think the fundamental dynamics of a GOP primary favor almost ANYONE else in a 1 on 1 matchup with Romney. It’s Perru’s nomination to lose and, let’s face it, he may well given that he’s still finding his sea-legs and could conceivably collapse within the next month or two. But if Perry had been on the trail for 6 months, and his numbers still looked like this, Mitt’s chances would be essentially non-existent. Every internal dynamic of the primary favors Perry. Right now, the one that favors Mitt, Perry’s lack of national polish, loses it’s saliency with every passing day. Every day that Perry keeps his head above water, Mitt’s odds diminish.
August 27th, 2011 at 8:45 am
260:
I don’t know if that’s necessarily true. Perry can also face a Dean or Palin-like collapse just before the nomination process starts. He strikes me as the type of candidate that may well die of a thousand papercuts and then suddenly we’ll all be wondering how a guy like that ever was taken seriously for the nomination.
Even if he’s leading come early January, I expect there will be growing doubt that he’s the guy we want taking on Obama. His behavior in these first two weeks has not been very impressive. If he gets away with it now, while some people would be willing to cut him some slack, he’ll only get more sloppy as the campaign continues.
August 27th, 2011 at 8:47 am
MEM and Thomas, you’re both agreeing with me without agreeing with me. Romney will never be the popular choice in 2012, he needs to form a coalition.
August 27th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Matt,
I don’t agree that it’s Perry’s nomination to lose. I disagree with CF about Perry’s nature…..he isn’t a monster or evil incarnate……he would make a much better President than Obama. But I don’t think he will wear well, and in a one-on-one race, I think Romney will beat him.
I actually WANT Perry to be considered the frontrunner…..at least through November or December. Romney will be the main alternative to Perry, and when push comes to shove, Romney will win. Mitt does the best where people have had the most exposure to him, as they have in the states that went early last time.
Perry, on the other hand, has consistently done worse in Texas than other Republicans running statewide. Last time, he won by 13% while other Republicans were winning by 27%. And Mitt will outshine him in debates, and be more impressive on the stump.
August 27th, 2011 at 9:23 am
“Every internal dynamic of the primary favors Perry. Right now, the one that favors Mitt, Perry’s lack of national polish, loses it’s saliency with every passing day. Every day that Perry keeps his head above water, Mitt’s odds diminish.”
True. If I were advising Romney (I played Bachmann adviser a couple days ago) I would tell him that his path to the nomination requires (1) extending the contest thereby increasing Perry’s time on stage and (2) demonstrating that he is over his head.
Romney’s best argument, that Perry may be too extreme for the general electorate, would fall on deaf ears in the primary.
August 27th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Mitt has a plan. Perry has his hand behind his back, taking while telling you he’s honest and above board.
August 27th, 2011 at 9:35 am
250 It’s all good. Maybe it was not the good people’s of texas cash, but it was just Stimulas money that paid for all that?
August 27th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Everything you should know about Rick Perry in 49 posts (and growing) that the MSM wants to keep from you.
Please share this link with anyone who thinks he’s the best thing since the invention of sliced bread.
The Rick Perry Chronicles:
http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/Rick%20Perry%20Chronicles
August 27th, 2011 at 10:12 am
262:
No, I don’t agree. I expect Romney to build a coalition with anyone and still win.
August 27th, 2011 at 10:13 am
*Correction
Don’t expect Romney to build a coalition with anyone.
August 27th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Huntsman set to unveil jobs plan next week, leapfrogs Romney, Obama
August 27th, 2011 at 10:54 am
270:
Nobody cares Krillin.
August 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am
In order to broaden his coalition and thus stem the Perry tide, Mitt needs to appeal to the Tea Party vote. I have long suggested he adopt a more populist “Lunch Pale Mitt” persona and to some extent, he has been doing this. His unscripted outbursts to hecklers are a start as well as his plaid shirts, tousled coiffe and skinny jeans. His events at Walmarts and NASCAR events are also helpful. But Mitt needs to up the ante and show some real passion and rage. He needs to be seen hunting in Iowa, clearing brush in his residence in N.H. and speaking before a military audience in S.C. (possibly dressed in military fatigues to really drive home the point). In short he needs to go full on Lunch Pale Mitt.
August 27th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Lunch pale…how appropriate.
Not sure if you meant it that way…I’m assuming you mean lunch pail…
but Romney’s pastel personality certainly supports your moniker.
Pale indeed.
So you’re saying Romney should start faking it again like he did in 2008?
We already know about his lifetime of huntin’ varmints….and reading Battlefield Earth…I think that covers his good ol’ boy creds.
August 27th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Military fatigues? Photo-op hunting trips?
I can’t describe how quickly that would backfire.
August 27th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Romney should never EVER go full on Dukakis/Kerry. But he probably will take JA’s advice and play dress up games.
What’s with these Massachustte’s candidates always tryin to be something they’re not?
August 27th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
#274-275
Amen. I like the new mussed up Romney, but it’s still Romney. Anything more than what he is would be a HUGE mistake. And it appears he’s been learning from his mistakes.
Romney can appeal to the Tea Partiers by being a smart, determined, tough, focused, hard-core fiscal conservative who’s gonna fight like hell for America. That’s who the Tea Party is. We don’t give a rat’s rear about lunch buckets.
I don’t give a darn if the next POTUS can shoot coyotes, field dress a moose, ride horses, carry a lunch pail, thump a Bible, has a regional accent, has 23 foster kids, has good hair, doesn’t have good hair, what their church did 100 years ago or what lame things they said 10 years ago. They need to show me their plan and convince me they can make it work.
August 27th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Still love you JA!
You have a gift
. Colbert should take clues off you!
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