Herman Cain was supposed to make an appearance on the Colbert Report this Thursday night. He canceled.
Cain was also supposed to give the keynote speech at the Fayette County (Iowa) Republican Picnic on August 6. He canceled that, too.
And these cancellations come on the heels of a canceled speaking event in Cedar Falls, Iowa as well.
So what is The Herman Cain up to? It seems to me like he’s seen the writing on the wall. Without a victory or at least a surprising second place finish at Ames, he’s pretty well done. He’s watched his base of tea partiers get snatched away by Michele Bachmann. He was left with only $400,000 cash on hand at the beginning of this month – not enough to make a strong run at or after the straw poll. His flavor-of-the-month status has simply expired via a combination of self-inflicted wounds and external events.
It doesn’t cost hardly anything to give a speech. Or appear on the Colbert Report. For a lower tier candidate looking to make a few headlines and get noticed again, giving a keynote address would be a low cost / high reward proposition. Which tells me Herman Cain is about ready to fold up shop. You don’t cancel events like these — and three of them in a short period to boot – if you still are planning on making a go of it.
So my prediction? Herman Cain will stay in until the day after the Ames Straw Poll, then drop out and endorse Mitt Romney.
Cain will likely finish fourth or fifth at the straw poll. (Bachmann, Pawlenty, and Paul will finish in some order at the top; Cain and Santorum will fight it out for fourth and fifth place.) There’s no sense in soldiering on after that. He endorsed and supported Mitt Romney in 2008, saying Romney had the best leadership abilities and the “leadership qualities the United States needs.” Cain went on to note that “Romney’s leadership credentials offer the best hope for a leader with substance, and the best hope for a good President who could turn out to be great.”
I have to be honest: when Cain first announced he was running for President, I never, ever thought he would do as well as he has. I severely underestimated him. He played a great role in the beginning of this primary season. His inexperience ultimately did him in and allowed the opening that Michele Bachmann filled.
As he folds up his tent and prepares to walk back to his successful life as a columnist and radio host, I wish him the best of luck and thank him for everything he’s done and is doing to advance conservative principles in America. It was a better run than anyone expected, Herman. You can be proud of that.
UPDATE: It has been suggested that these three cancellations are merely typical scheduling conflicts inherent in campaigning. A quick look at Herman Cain’s calendar, however, quickly proves otherwise. For instance:
In fact, we can even take this further than just those two days. Herman Cain held zero campaign events today. He has none planned for tomorrow, just one planned for Wednesday, none planned for Thursday (as noted above), and one planned for Friday. That is just two campaign events all week. Doesn’t exactly sound like an “in demand” candidate to me. After just two events this weekend, he has none on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday next week, either.
Sorry to say, these cancellations certainly are not due to scheduling conflicts. They are due to a candidate who knows his time is beginning to draw to a close.
Cain’s campaign events calendar can be found here.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
huuummmmmmmm………
Smackdaddy said this two months ago……..that Cain had nothing going on in Iowa. About 50% of the posters two days ago predicted Cain would finish ahead of TPAW.
This has become a pattern.
Smackdaddy waaaaaay ahead of the pack.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
He’s all right guy but he had no business running for president.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
The obituary on the Cain campaign will have three main points:
1.) He failed to study up: Cain made some embarrassing faux pas about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that led to serious questions about his seriousness.
2.) Accusations of anti-Muslim bigotry: With both his remarks about making Muslims have a loyalty oath and his belief about building mosques, Cain undermined himself as a candidate who could appeal to anyone outside of a fringe group.
3.) The rise of Bachmann: Cain was supposed to be the Tea Party darling, the one who the TP base would rally to against Romney or Pawlenty or whoever. With the rise of Bachmann, who is more mainstream (never thought I’d say that about Bachmann) than Cain, the rationale for a Cain candidacy evaporated.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Probably not too many people here will miss Cain. He was a possibility for me until he opened his mouth.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
And sadly, his inflammatory statements probably mean he has no shot at VP, which his personality and style is a perfect match for.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Seems to me that this “article” is mostly wishful thinking. Someone who doesn’t like Mr Cain very much wanting to “see” things in the tea leaves. The fact is politicians and Presidential Hopefuls change their schedules all the time. In a Presidential Race its not uncommon for a candidate to switch and cancel, reschedule or postpone events as they are bombarded by requests for their appearance – with overlapping dates. The only think I think we can glean from the Cain Campaign rescheduling is that Mr Cain obviously is in demand and is being forced to pick and choose, and make some changes to his schedule so he can participate in more venues that may be more beneficial to his candidacy at this time and in this business, sometimes means canceling….and if thats the case, than he certainly isn’t winding down anything!
July 25th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Aww, the Cain Train is chuggin’ on home.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Winding down??…more like picking up steam!!!
July 25th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
I bet half his supporters go to Mitt and half go to Bachmann. Some business fans, some firebrand fans.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Cain isn’t going anywhere… except forward. We understand it scares most of you liberals to think there is a Conservative Black man that loves America and doesn’t buy into the racist game… who has a VERY good chance at residing at the White House next election. Don’t worry too much though he will fix this damage the left has caused our country! It is great to have a man say what everyone else feels (but some are afraid to say). Extreme Muslims should NOT have a place in our country much less our government. (How un-PC of me…) LOL.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Hilarious to create all of this excitement for you guys over some scheduling conflicts. Remember where John McCain was about this time in the last primary? HMMM We will just have to see now won’t we….
July 25th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Matt–You’ve has made some logical leaps that aren’t supported by any evidence. (I wonder if that has anything to do with the giant Bachmann ad on the page…or perhaps it’s the MSNBC box? No, that would be cynical of me. I’m generally more sarcastic than cynical.)
The Cain campaign has literally just hired several new field leaders (Iowa, NH, National) and Mr. Cain will be a fixture in Iowa as the Ames Straw Poll approaches. He’s won Gallup’s positive intensity poll for 9 straight weeks and he’s doubled his name recognition in the last two months. He’s had a little bad press along the way, but there is nothing out there that he can’t overcome.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but I think it’s a little premature to waive goodbye to an excellent candidate because he cancelled on a liberal comedian and rearranged his speaking schedule. Cain’s campaign is heading in the right direction. I respectfully disagree with your assessment.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Said very well Aunti Laura!
July 25th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
typo: Matt–You’ve made. (Not you’ve has made). My bad.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Interesting how all of the sudden folks who’ve never commented on this site before come swooping in to prop up a candidate…
July 25th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Exactly John….and for those who would like to know more about the positive intensity score by Gallop that John mentions take a look at this…..
storify.com/rbjazzy/mr-cain-the-fruntrunner-just-lacking-some-more-nam
July 25th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Matt,
If Cain backs Mitt again, that would be one hell of a turnaround in the space of a few weeks. According to Cain, Romney cannot win the nomination, or beat Obama….because of his religion.
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/07/herman-cain-plays-religion-card.html
July 25th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
@ Jonathan…maybe because the story has not been about Herman Cain before.. Who do you support Jonathan? Have you never gone to a story about your candidate and posted before? #justsayin
July 25th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Ehh. Cain’s departure will only free up his supporters to go with an anti-Romney.
Now all we need is for Michele to stumble as Perry rises, and then look out SC, FL, and Super Tuesday!
July 25th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Cain’s not going to back Mitt. You don’t get more “outsider” among GOP politicos than Herman Cain. Let’s just say Romney is from a different world than that.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
#20:
Politics makes strange bedfellows. After all see the Perry-Giuliani relationship.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Her bus tour is intended to introduce her to voters and increase her name recognition. It worked with Steve and Frances Sloan of Polk City, who attended the tea party rally.
Frances Sloan, 50, did not have a good impression of Bachmann before the event, saying the congresswoman relied on too many talking points and lacked substance.
But she and her husband were impressed by her 24-minute speech on Saturday, and are now debating whether to support Bachmann or businessman Herman Cain.
“I was very impressed. She was very articulate. She’s very precise. It came from the heart,” said Steve Sloan, 57, a retiree.
seema.mehta@latimes.com
July 25th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Perry supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic presidential primaries and was chairman of the Gore campaign in Texas. When more people realize that he is toast! I like him but he has some serious baggage and that is proven by the fact that the Perry crowd tries real hard to hide that!
July 25th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
23 – Scott
I couldn’t agree more.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
The only real poll that matters this far away from the actual primaries and caucuses it the positive intensity poll. This is the poll that considers name recognition. It basically levels the question of who is winning to if 100 people listened and gets to know the candidate, how many will pick them as their first choice.Herman Cain has been staying consistently at the top for months. Positive intensity cannot be bought with campaign cash, only name recognition. If the people do not like the message, it doesn’t matter how many people an advertisement or the grassroots can reach.
Herman Cain sits at 26% Positive intensity right now, up from 24% last month. Out of the 48% that know who Mr. Cain is, 26% pick him at their first choice. He was at 24% when his name recognition. was only 27%. Not only has Mr/ Cain raised his name recognition by 21 points in a few months, he has consistently continued to be in first place when t comes to positive intensity. The understood front runner,
Mitt Romney, has a 77% name recognition, garnered 20% positive intensity two months ago, is down to 14%. The more people that get to know Mitt Romney, the lower positive intensity rating goes. Michelle Bachmann was at 5%, two months ago, jumped up to 24% after the debate but settle back at 20% this month. Ron Paul has in 12 years garnered 77% name recognition and has 9% positive intensity.
Herman Cain is the Front Runner just lacking some more name recognition.
“[T]his measure–a candidate’s polling adjusted for name recognition–has
a reasonably good track record. It would have identified winners like
Michael Dukakis and John Kerry relatively early in the process, as well
as Bill Clinton by the time he officially entered the race in November
1991.”(The Simple Case for Taking Herman Cain Seriously, Nate Silver, The New York Times)
July 25th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Seriously can we follow you on Twitter? ‘Your go-to source for unique analysis, discussion, commentary, and news on the 2012 presidential election.’ That’s if you count somebody’s personal opinion as such. Haaa I almost Pea’d myself!!!
July 25th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
21,
Fair enough. But I don’t think Cain even likes Romney. I think he thinks of him as an establishment type that embodies all that is wrong with the GOP. I also suspect he’s not too crazy about his religion – given the link in #17 and his comments on Islam.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Rick Perry is a Bilderburger…nuff said
July 25th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Herman Cain has no problems with Islam. he has a problem with Islamic extremists who have clearly stated their intentions, are willing to try to impose Sharia law in the US, want to build “certain” mosques for that purpose.
Mr. Cains point about Romney s religion was based on current polls that state 25% of Republicans will not vote for Romney because of his religion. Herman Cain has made no derogatory statements about Mormonism or mainstream peaceful Islamists who have no intention of imposing Sharia or taking over the world. Simple truth.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Auntie Laura (#6), ArmyWife (#10), Scott (#11), and John (#12): check the update. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news for you guys.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
I’m looking at Cain’s events schedule on his website, to see what he has booked instead of the events mentioned in this post. It looks like he still has the Colbert Report booked for this Thursday.
With regard to August 6, I don’t see any evening events on his schedule. He does have a Republican Jewish Coalition lunch listed for noon that day, but it looks like he’ll be showing up two days early; the event is actually on Monday, August 8 according to the RJC. (Most Jewish organizations wouldn’t schedule an event like that for Saturday at noon anyway due to the Sabbath.)
July 25th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Adam,
You don’t get more “outsider” among GOP politicos than Herman Cain. Let’s just say Romney is from a different world than that… I don’t think Cain even likes Romney. I think he thinks of him as an establishment type that embodies all that is wrong with the GOP.
You know, you’re right. A rabid conservative tea partier with a regular column at a website like WND would never endorse Mitt Romney. Except that he did four years ago.
Sheesh. Methinks you doth project too loudly. You are putting your perceived problems with Romney into Cain’s mouth. Might it be that your despising Romney has blinded you to his good qualities that others (even arch conservatives like Cain) can see in him?
July 25th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
@Matt…hate to bear bad news to you..but a scheduling conflict does not always have to do with a public appearance..but good try!
July 25th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
I don’t know what would cause you to miss a chance for national exposure on Colbert short of a family emergency. If we had a foreign policy president and a economic president then he would be perfect for the economic president. Howeer on foreign policy he clearly fails the test. He has talked about disqualifying Muslims for certain things just because they are Muslim. I agree that in sensitive situations you have to vet a Muslim thoroughly but that does not exclude them.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
Also McCain had some institutional support which did not desert him when things got tough. Cain has none of that. The two situations are not the same.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
While the cancellations are suspicious and do lead me to believe the Cain campaign is winding down, I have to say Politico.com’s presidential calendar function is terrible.
Gary Johnson’s calendar on Politico.com looks the same way. They only have a couple of his many campaign events actually listed, and even our official calendar on GaryJohnson2012.com doesn’t really convey how busy Gary Johnson’s schedule is. The great bulk of his days are filled with strategy meetings, finance calls, retail politicking, etc and other things that don’t really go on a public schedule. I’m sure Cain is a lot busier than Politico’s website shows.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Sounds to me like someone that is petrified of a political outsider taking this country by storm,is writing a hit piece based entirely off subjective speculation. Is this the best you can do? It seems blatantly ridiculous to declare a candidate with the best positive intensity rating of the ENTIRE field (yes, even the guy you claim Cain will endorse), is on his way out.
There is NO chance that Mr. Cain is going to drop out, there is NO chance that his supporters will desert him, and there is NO chance that a smear campaign against him will succeed.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
@ Franklin.
Mr. Cain had a few State staff members resign who were replaced as fast as they resigned. Mr McCain had the same, as well as Clinton, Reagan, Bush, Carter, Kennedy..I could go on. What is important is that Mr. Cain’s main staff has not and he has been adding not losing staff all across the country.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:06 am
Campaigns have this happen all the time. Schedules are not always feasible and are susceptible to change. When they do, they sometimes domino to what they effect. Sometimes the change of one throws off the timing of travel when you are crossing between the states. This exact thing has happened in every campaign. If it was a sign of ” winding down” we would have had very few presidents in the history of our country.
I have owned 4 businesses in my adult life. Because of that, my involvement in the local community has been busy at times. Sometimes an agenda just does not work. That surely did not mean I was about to fold up my business and go home!
July 26th, 2011 at 12:06 am
I don’t know what to make of this. If he’s indeed dropping out after Ames, why start cancelling events now? Colbert (and Jon Stewart) reach more 18-35 year olds than any other “news” source. Why cancel that appearance so close to Ames, when it’s a chance to hit millions of viewers with a message that until now hasn’t really gotten out? It doesn’t cost a dime to appear on TV, so what’s the down side? If he’s really considering dropping out, then at least do Colbert for one final push for support, even if it is a last ditch effort. Otherwise, he’s just blowing through $400 grand for nothing.
Cancelling makes more sense if he’s dropping out BEFORE Ames, like this week.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Did you ever stop to consider he may have a headache?
Those can be debilitating!
July 26th, 2011 at 12:13 am
As well Alaska, he still has a full schedule after AMES.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:19 am
I just think we might be looking too much into this. For that matter, I think we look too much into every miniscule event from every candidate as though it were a sign of much bigger things, when really it’s just a miniscule event.
Cain may very well see the writing on the wall, but winding down a few weeks before Ames while still planning on doing Ames just doesn’t make political or business sense.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:27 am
Jumping on scheduling changes, changes in staff, a gaff, a bad week,as well as a multitude of other items that happen in campaigns has been a political tactic from opposition in local, state, and national elections for the history of this country. It is generally termed a drive by.It rarely spells out a bump, let alone the end of a campaign. History bears that out. I do not believe Matt is using these changes as a drive by. I believe he is sincere. The logical conclusion is just not correct.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:35 am
@ Matt.. I looked through the schedules from your link of a few of the other lead candidates.. you might also…I found quiet a few “No events today” this week (that was as far as I felt I needed to go after seeing so many)for the candidates I looked at. Mr. Cain has no more and no less than average. To start, Mitt had none today and has none Thurs and only one tomorrow. you can go from there.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:52 am
It’s not just opposition tactics. The fact is, we live in a 24-hour news cycle now, with countless blogs and tweets and facebook posts appearing by the minute. They need something to talk about in between big events. Back in the day, and I’m old enough to remember this, you’d come home from school or work and watch Cronkite or Jennings (or if you were my dad, the MacNeil/Lehrer Report) to see what happened on the campaign that day. Now, well we all know about the many cable news networks and internet sites and other sources of political news. So when a sudden, unexpected, albeit micro-story like Cain cancelling a Colbert appearance occurs, everyone jumps on it as the latest earth-shattering event to hit the campaign season, at least until the next one in about five minutes. It’s fun to debate back and forth each and every event, which is why there are so many fans of this site since before the 2008 season. But for those of us not tied by umbilical cord to a specific candidate, we read each story, ponder its meaning, and move on to the next one.
I hope all these Cain fans who showed up on this post today stay for the season, whether Mr. Cain remains in the race or not. We haven’t had many “Cainiacs” chime in this year.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:57 am
Tim Pawlenty had 3 events today. He has 5 tomorrow, then 4 Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.
That’s hustle.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:00 am
Here is the Cain calendar from his website:
http://www.hermancain.com/events
July 26th, 2011 at 1:07 am
With SEO sites estimating your traffic at 6,800 visits and only 172 FB likes writing a provoking story like this is a good way to create a buzz and get some traffic, good theory too. The math doesn’t add up though. Next time you want to boost your page ratings don’t write it about a candidate who is in the middle of the polls try writing a article about Glenn Beck being a liberal or Donald Trump running on the democratic ticket. You know something equally theoretical but on a grander scale. I would read that!
July 26th, 2011 at 1:14 am
@ Matt “MWS” Tim Pawlenty has “3 events today. He has 5 tomorrow, then 4 Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.” that were posted on politicos site. Many of which are basic meet and greets if you look. That means Mr. Pawlentry’s staff is very good at sending Politico his detailed info. Mr. Cain, Mr. Romney, Mrs Bachmann and others have alot more planned this week than is posted at Politio. Mr. Cain does not post every local meet and greet on his national calender as do not many candidates. Those are generally advertised in the local grassroots. To use an incomplete calendar and comparing national meet and greets to large public events still does not even come close to being a barometer to decide a candidate is going to quit. Nice try tho.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:16 am
Adam, where are you getting your fabrications from?
You say Cain doesn’t like Mitt. You say he sees Mitt as an insider. You say he doesn’t like his religion.
So why did he endorse him in 2008? Nothing has changed since then regarding Mitt’s personal or political core. So what is it then?
Maybe you just WISH Cain didn’t like Mitt?
July 26th, 2011 at 1:17 am
LOL using your logic, all Michelle Bachmann is doing the rest of the week is speaking to the National Press club.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:46 am
Hmmmmmmmmm, wouldn’t it be a great ploy when Herman Cain makes it to second place in todays poll to start a rumor he’s dropping out and not going the distance. As one who has a member of his Iowa staff in her family, I am here to tell you, “It ain’t necessarily so” was a great song and a great comment to the rumor. Go Herman Cain. Let the politicical manipulations continue. You know it was Ronald Reagan who said that Republicans should not attack Republicans; even in primaries. Just saying.
July 26th, 2011 at 2:04 am
Wow..Cain supporters!!
Where have you been hiding?
However, you folks talk and sound amazingly simiilar to Palin supporters.
I guess you are the firebrand segment of his supporters rather than the competent businessman segment…
July 26th, 2011 at 2:05 am
Scott,
I never said Cain was quitting. I was just pointing out that not everyone has an empty calender. TPaw tends to stay quite busy.
Oh, and Cain does list his meet and greets on his website’s calender, which I linked above. It still looks pretty empty, compared to TPaw’s. I’m NOT saying he’s dropping out though! (so don’t jump me)
July 26th, 2011 at 3:23 am
Caindidate Cain is well on his way to showing very well in Iowa and beyond. His grassroots following scares the heck out of the Liberal and Republican establishment. Nine straight weeks of topping the Gallop Intensity Poll leave the other Caindidates full of woe.
I’m wondering whom Matt really supports? Caindidates who haven’t declared, or possibly El Presidente himself. Certainly no self respecting Conservative would pimp an Ad for MSNBC, humm?
All Aboard The Cain Train! For those who cain’t hop on…get out of the way
July 26th, 2011 at 5:08 am
I guess we’ve now been introduced to Herman Cain’s elite “response team.” These folks looked like hardened professionals, well trained and earnest.
Matt C., not only does Politico not have all of a candidate’s events, there are many events that are scheduled that are not for the public and therefore no notice by the campaign is given. For example, prior to the NH debate in June, Romney blocked out a couple days, in the midst of wall to wall fundraisers, to prepare for the debate. His calendar did not reflect that.
Perhaps Cain has blocked off the next three weeks private fundraisers, or for debate preparation. (A good choice since he really needs to increase his bank account and he has been consistently thin on details when it comes to the issues.)
And, Matt C. has nothing to do with the ads on the site. Nor does Kavon, for that matter. It’s a Google Ads placement, with Google selecting whose ad to show based on contextual analysis and the parameters set by the advertiser. The site only has the right to limit advertisers and ad content to a very small extent. As an experiment, if we all began spamming this sight with sexually charged discussion, we are liable to see a constant flow of ED ads. (Which may not be inappropriate, gfiven the state of some campaign’s fundraising and poll numbers.)
July 26th, 2011 at 6:04 am
As someone with published articles that use Google ads for royalty earnings, I can say with experience that it is up to the person that owns the site to use key words to attract the ads.
July 26th, 2011 at 6:08 am
Herman Cain is going nowhere except mayhap to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in January 2013. He had a few hiccups in his campaign yes, but we all have hiccups. For those of you who are naysayers out there, take the time to get to know the man for who he is and not nitpick every little thing. Besides, the primaries and caucuses are only 6 months away.
Another thing to look at is the positive intensity poll, as had been mentioned. Granted, Herman Cain might not have the name recognition but he does have more positive intensity than any other candidate out there.
July 26th, 2011 at 6:31 am
I’ve barely said a word about Cain as I could never understand why you guys took him so serioulsy.
So what you want about Ricky Santorun, but he’s a serious 12 year ex senator.
July 26th, 2011 at 7:03 am
I wonder where all this supreme confidence comes for a man who didn’t even win a Senate primary?
July 26th, 2011 at 7:46 am
Cain’s cancellation of my event occured at the time of the staff shake-up. He was opting to appear at a Oregon event instead of the Fayette County (Iowa) event (8/6). I don’t know if he is still scheduled for the Oregon event or not, however he was scheduled to attend at a multi-county GOP event in eastern Iowa the night before(8/5).
Jim Kirkpatrick
Chairman-Fayette County Republican Party
http://fayettecountyrepublicanpartyiowa.blogspot.com/
http://www.iowansforpawlenty.com
July 26th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Have been reading what you have written. I am not aware of any staff here in NH or an office. I was a suporter, but I am concerned that he just doesn’t seem to know what he is talking about. ALl of this, I will get back with on the answer and I don’t have those numbers for ya. Huh? And furthermore, if this is how he is in Iowa what about when he comes to our state, he is going to be campaigning here or canceling events or what? Either your running or your not, don’t waste America’s time. We have other things to worry about like are we getting our SS check next month?
July 26th, 2011 at 8:29 am
I don’t take writers seriously who misuse the English language: ‘It doesn’t cost hardly anything to give a speech’ – means it is costly to give a speech.
That being said, I believe Herman Cain says what most are thinking and he doesn’t dance around like Romney, Perry, and definitely Pawlenty. I don’t want Islamic extremism creeping into our government (Ft. Hood, anyone?) and neither do 98% of Americans.
In the end, we all need to get behind a candidate who represents the polar opposite of Barack Hussein Obama. I believe that is Herman Cain.
July 26th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Herman Cain’s problem, notwithstanding everybody’s two cents………..is that he is broke. He’s put $ 500K of his own money in and burned through that. He’s a good businessman and can read the tea leaves as well as any of us.
As to backing Romney, he backed Mitt in 2008…….and Mitt was still a Morman, even then
CraigS
July 26th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Scott Osborn,
The “Perry supported Gore” stuff won’t hurt him at all in the long run. Gore was a conservative Democrat back in the 1980′s, like most southern conservatives, and like Perry. It was Gore who shifted his positions to accommodate his party’s lurch to the left. Gore was arguably more conservative than George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole back in the 1980′s. Most older southern conservatives of or around Perry’s generation were lifelong Democrats, so it will not be hard for those southern states to see the truth in Perry’s political beginnings. His Texas primary opponents have searched his Democrat party roots for flip flops from his party switch for years, and have found none because it wasn’t Perry who changed, it was the Democrat party.
Don’t forget, Reagan was a New Deal-supporting, FDR-admiring liberal before becoming a conservative icon. Perry actually has shifted far less on his positions from 25 years ago to today than Reagan did.
July 26th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Someone who says Perry is toast and Cain is the frontrunner should not be taken seriously by this site or any other.
July 26th, 2011 at 9:48 am
27 Reasons To Not Vote For Rick Perry
#1 Rick Perry is a “big government” politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.
#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.
#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?
#4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.
#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a “track record” of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.
#6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.
#7 In 1984, Perry was elected to the Texas House of Representatives as a Democrat from a district (64) that included his home county of Haskell.
#8 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore’s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.
#9 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.
#10 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year….
* 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.
* 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.
* 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.
#11 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.
#12 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.
#13 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.
#14 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.
#15 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when “apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck’s hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work.”
#16 In 2008, Rick Perry stood beside Child Protective Services in Constitutional violation during the invasion and mass kidnapping of 464 FLDS children from their community in Eldorado, Texas. Perry spokeswoman Krista Piferrer said the governor retained full confidence in the agency, noting that “The governor is very proud of the work being done by CPS…CPS has handled a very complex situation both professionally and compassionately.” The 3rd Court of Appeals in Austin ruled that Texas child welfare authorities acted improperly and the children were returned to their parents. The governor ended up squandering 12.4 million of public money on the operation.
#17 Perry supported and still supports Open Borders with Mexico
#18 In 2001 Rick Perry signed the Dream Act into law allowing illegal immigrants in-state tuition. This is the blueprint for Obama’s own similar Federal Dream Act.
#19 In 2004, Perry allowed the execution of an innocent man, Cameron Willingham, and then impeded an investigation into the whole matter, including firing and replacing three members of the Texas Forensic Science Commission.
#20 Perry has called the 16th and 17th Amendments to the Constitution ” mistaken “. The 16th Amendment is the income tax amendment accounting for 45 % of all tax receipts. The 17th Amendment allows for direct election of U.S Senators, taking that right away from government.
#21 Texas is the leading polluter among states in the union, leading the nation on carbon dioxide emissions, but when the state was sued by the EPA for not meeting clean air standards, Perry sued the federal government. He also is a global warming critic who called the 2010 BP oil spill an ” act of God .”
#22 One in four children in Texas live below the poverty line. Perry cut $ 10 billion out of child support services even though Texas has a $ 8.2 Billion rainy day fund.
#23 Perry said that Texas might have to secede from the Union
#24 Perry calls himself a “Prophet”.
#25 Rick Perry has had a questionable past when it comes to Social Issues. Recently in 2008, he endorsed Rudy Giuliani for President, causing Mike Huckabee to respond with the following in an email on 7-21-11: “For all his new found commitment to hyper-conservatism, he’ll get to explain why he supported pro-abortion, pro-same sex marriage Rudy Guiliani last time.”
#26 Rick Perry recently stated that he supported New York’s Gay Marriage law by stating, “That’s New York, and that’s their business, and that’s fine with me”.
#27 Rick Perry took office in 2000 with 4.4% unemployment and ballooned it a whopping 4% to 8.2%.
July 26th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Wow, all the Cain Drones are out in full force today on this site! It’s amazing how they all come out of the woodwork the first sign their candidate is putting his tail between his legs and running.
July 26th, 2011 at 9:55 am
66. Good to see you found your way home Max. I was worried about you.
July 26th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Another endorsement for Romney today:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20110726mitt_romney_picks_up_endorsement_of_former_ri_governor/
July 26th, 2011 at 10:02 am
70. He gets endorsements just like Bob Dole!
That’s awesome.
July 26th, 2011 at 10:04 am
OOPSIE – Time for an update Mr Matt – Cain is a smart strategist:
http://blog.4president.org/2012/2011/07/herman-cain-to-embark-on-iowa-bus-tour-august-4-13-2011.html
Herman Cain to embark on Iowa bus tour August 4-13. The others will have told everyone every thing they have by then – over and over and over. They will be ready for something fresh. He is also quietly hiring staff. Campaigns that are shutting down don’t hire.
July 26th, 2011 at 11:26 am
@ Max..just refer to #68 for Perry..
As far as my statement about Mr. Cain being the frontrunner…when you have to misrepresent a statement to prove your point you have negated yourself.
The only real poll that matters this far away from the actual primaries and caucuses it the positive intensity poll. This is the poll that considers name recognition. It basically levels the question of who is winning to if 100 people listened and gets to know the candidate, how many will pick them as their first choice.Herman Cain has been staying consistently at the top for months. Positive intensity cannot be bought with campaign cash, only name recognition. If the people do not like the message, it doesn’t matter how many people an advertisement or the grassroots can reach.
“[T]his measure–a candidate’s polling adjusted for name recognition–has
a reasonably good track record. It would have identified winners like
Michael Dukakis and John Kerry relatively early in the process, as well
as Bill Clinton by the time he officially entered the race in November
1991.”(The Simple Case for Taking Herman Cain Seriously, Nate Silver, The New York Times)
If everyone had the same name recognition..Mr. Cain would be far ahead in the polls. Mr. Cains name recognition is rapidly increasing.
Again, I would just suggest to those who want to know facts to go to storify.com/rbjazzy/mr-cain-the-fruntrunner-just-lacking-some-more-nam , read the NYT article, the Gallop poll, and decide whether or not my comments are serious enough. I will let the readers decide.
July 26th, 2011 at 11:27 am
SPGORDON- look at the schedule he just released he is in Des Moines twice, West Des Moines twice and Ames twice. Very deceiving when you say the 4th through the 13th. My nephew lives in SE Iowa, he said he has never gotten over there. And it seems like the those people there that work for him don’t know what they are doing, can’t a call returned for anything. If Cain is a good manager, why can’t he manage his people. I hope he does better when he gets out here or he will be toast. And when people talk about he is broke, I thought he knew how to manage a business. Does he have commercials in Iowa, haven’t seen any in NH. This man is in trouble and you all are fools if you don’t see it. The more I read, the more I think he is a phoney. We need to pray for our country.
Thursday, August 4, 2011: Des Moines, Oskaloosa, West Des Moines
Monday, August 8, 2011: Sioux City, Denison, Council Bluffs
Tuesday, August 9, 2011: Davenport, Cedar Rapids, Cedar Falls, Fort Dodge
Wednesday, August 10, 2011: Clear Lake, Rock Rapids, Okoboji
Thursday, August 11, 2011: Ames
Friday, August 12, 2011: West Des Moines, Des Moines, Albia, Sigourney
Saturday, August 13, 2011: Ames
July 26th, 2011 at 11:33 am
And that…Matt”MWS” is why we have such confidence. This race is far from over. Mr. Cain’s new Iowa Bus tour totally negates Matt Coulter’s basic premise and Michell Bachmann’s lack of schedule this week certainly negates Matt’s update.
But you are all welcome to your opinion. I will be back at this article in Sept. Any one willing to join me?
Mr. Cains new Bus tour schedule in Iowa:
(Stockbridge, GA)- Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain will embark on his “Common Sense Solutions” bus tour throughout the state of Iowa leading up to the FOX News debate and the Ames Straw Poll.
Thursday, August 4, 2011: Des Moines, Oskaloosa, West Des Moines
Monday, August 8, 2011: Sioux City, Denison, Council Bluffs
Tuesday, August 9, 2011: Davenport, Cedar Rapids, Cedar Falls, Fort Dodge
Wednesday, August 10, 2011: Clear Lake, Rock Rapids, Okoboji
Thursday, August 11, 2011: Ames
Friday, August 12, 2011: West Des Moines, Des Moines, Albia, Sigourney
Saturday, August 13, 2011: Ames
July 26th, 2011 at 11:36 am
@NHGrandpa41
The 5th, 6th, and 7th are Friday, Saturday and Sunday. LOL Keep trying tho. That is just public appearances. Many other things a candidate has to do. You guys are picking at straws now.
July 26th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Scott, There is three and a half weeks between his last visit to Iowa to the August 4th visit. What is he doing going on a cruise Calista Gingrich? Ccme on, if you are serious about winning you don’t have that much time between time there. Even an old fellow like me knows that. My nephew tells me that people in Iowa don’t like that kind of campaigning, that he doesn’t seem to be working for their vote. Say what you want Mr. Osborn, but I think Mr. Cain is full of it.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Scott,
“The only real poll that matters this far away from the actual primaries and caucuses it the positive intensity poll. This is the poll that considers name recognition. It basically levels the question of who is winning to if 100 people listened and gets to know the candidate, how many will pick them as their first choice.”
I understand the theory, and it makes some intuitive sense, but it doesn’t hold up, because it is premised on the notion that low info voters (the kind who haven’t heard of Cain) are just like high info voters. They aren’t. High info voters tend to be more ideological and issue oriented- precisely the type of person who would vote for Cain. Low info voters are more likely to vote on any number of other factors- including common affinity, popularity, or any number of superficial things- but they aren’t going to look like your Tea Party types who have been engaged for the last 2 years.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Herman Cain should do the country a service by appealing to blacks and get them behind the GOP. Perhaps once and for all we can be united for the good of the country.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
OBAMA HAS GOT TO GO! Love him or hate him, Limbaugh is right: Obama is either clueless or a sabateur.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
You would be correct if your basic premise about low/high info voters played into this poll. It does not. Read the articles on the poll.
“[T]his measure–a candidate’s polling adjusted for name recognition–has
a reasonably good track record. It would have identified winners like
Michael Dukakis and John Kerry relatively early in the process, as well
as Bill Clinton by the time he officially entered the race in November
1991.”(The Simple Case for Taking Herman Cain Seriously, Nate Silver, The New York Times)
July 26th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
@NHGrandpa41 Says:
You are welcome to think Mr. Cain is full of it. However I am having a hard time understanding your point.
“There is three and a half weeks between his last visit to Iowa to the August 4th visit. What is he doing going on a cruise Calista Gingrich?”
He has and will be been actively campaigning. There are 49 other states you know.
Again..good try.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
RUBIOZONE, I think that a great idea. I think that he should try appealing to the black people of America? We need to get that to his upper staff. OR maybe is already? Does anyone have any information on this? CAn anyone find out who would know. I can send out to people. I am home bound for the most part and would love help, if he is going to campaign to all the people including the muslims. I think that he has to stop talking crazy. What is going to do as President do over to the other countries and talk about other people bad. I just am afraid his mouth is going to get him in troule. I have never heard or seen his family campaigning with him? Anyone know why?
July 26th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
BTW NHGrandpa41 Notice at the bottom of the article:
Additional stop details, including time and location, will be released prior to the tour. All events are open to the public and the press.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
LOL, all of the anti-Cain forces are out in full frontal assault. It is amazing that for a candidate who isn’t going anywhere, people continue to make a big deal of his demise. Matt, if he is irrelevant as a candidate, then why post something about him…unless, you actually think he is stronger than expected.
As the the staff departures…the ones in IA ran the Thompson Campaign in 2008…we see how well Fred did there, didn’t we? He has run consistently in the top 3 in most major polls, his campaign is not broke and yes, we as his supporters are rabid. BTW, if anyone bothered to actually listen to Cain, instead of spewing rhetoric given to you by whomever you support, he said on Fox News that he isn’t quitting anytime soon. Why should he…when so many people on here and in the MSM fear his candidacy! What’s the old saying…he wouldn’t be taking so much flack if he weren’t over the target?! Give em Hell, Cainiacs!
July 26th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
@NHGrandpa41 “I just am afraid his mouth is going to get him in trouble.”
Being a grandpa, I assume you were around when that was a huge complaint about Reagan. Do not mistake straightforwardness with weakness.
They said Reagan was going to start WW3 when he insisted on ” Tear Down This Wall!”
July 26th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
One last thing…to those who blast him because he lost a primary race in GA…Reagan lost to Ford in 1976, right? Lincoln lost 6 races before elected, right? Shoot, even Allen West lost the first time…and look where they all ended up. You guys are a hoot, really!
July 26th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Scott, Iowa is first. My understanding is they have a straw poll and a caucus, shouldn’t these be the states he worries about first. I don’t know what you don’t understand about that? I am starting to think that you are not so smart yourself. If his schedule keeps saying no public events as mention what is he doing? Do all the other 49 states vote the same day as Iowa. I guess you must be one of these political people that thinks you know it all or do you work for him. Maybe you should go run his campaign, you seem to have all the answers, but not the votes. I am sure I have been voting longer than you have been around, son.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Scott,
#82
Certainly some candidates can appeal to both low info and high info voters. But that doesn’t mean the voters are the same. The examples you list are very mainstream politicians. Cain is not. The type of voters who find Cain’s message most appealing (and don’t hold his lack of elective office against him) are the types of voters who seek candidates. Low info voters tend to only engage causually or at the very end, and that’s generally not the type of person who’s going to vote for someone who’s a CEO/radio host.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
CF Says:
July 26th, 2011 at 9:53 am
“Wow, all the Cain Drones are out in full force today on this site! It’s amazing how they all come out of the woodwork the first sign their candidate is putting his tail between his legs and running.”
So CF, I take it means that you never go support your candidate? Otherwise that would make you a “Drone” Now wouldn’t it?
So who do you support?
July 26th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
P-Diddy,
“Matt, if he is irrelevant as a candidate, then why post something about him…unless, you actually think he is stronger than expected.”
Matt C can speak for himself, but I can tell you that many articles are written here to pass along and/or analyze news and events, not just torpedo a candidate. When someone officially drops out, it’s also discussed at length, even though that candidacy is over, and their is no point in pumping it or slamming it.
It’s part of what makes us political junkies.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Scott,
CF is a Rombot. Almost all candidates followers here have an “endearing term” though I don’t think we’ve seen enough Cainiacs (before yesterday) to bother with coming up with a permanent term for them.
Other terms of endearment include TPawpers, Palindrones, Rudyites, Fredheads, Huckanuts, and Newters (my personal favorite).
July 26th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Matt MWS just curious, who are you rooting for this time around?
July 26th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
How bout Perry?
Perrypats or Perrypeeps
July 26th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
#95 — I prefer “Perryers” — to be pronounced like the snooty water. Nice cultural dissonance with the cowboy persona of the candidate. Heh.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Rubio,
I’m a TPawper.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
91
Coming on this site and not knowing who I support confirms that you are a Drone.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Matt C,
LOL!!! I was literally just about to type “Perriers” and was considering how to spell it.
July 26th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
CF,
Or maybe he’s just new to the site.
There was a first day for everyone here…….
July 26th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
MWS (#92) — Thanks. Tale as old as time — everyone thinks articles are hit pieces against their beloved candidates.
What I like to do is read a ton of news stories each day, get a feeling for the overall narrative arc of the race, and then do some posting that illuminates that narrative. I have been wondering what has happened to Cain, who at one time made tons of headlines and nearly topped the polls… then I came across the canceled Colbert Report article, did some searching around, and found out about all these canceled appearances. This article was a way to express the texture of the race as it’s forming right now. Cain is quickly becoming an afterthought, if he’s not one already.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
And I always like “T-Pawns” better than “T-Pawpers.”
July 26th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Grandpa….Mr. Cain has been to Iowa 24 times. The Primaries and Caucuses do not start until next February.
Matt, You do not see us Cainiacs out on other candidates tearing down other candidates as a whole. But there are a great many of us working on Mr. Cain’s Name recognition as that is what is important right now.
As for your understanding of the positive intensity poll, I still believe that you misunderstand. 26% (and has been holding) of ALL people who know who Mr. Cain pick him. He has remained at #1 and steady. That has nothing to do with educated voter or uneducated voter. Mitt has dropped in that poll significantly. That means the more Mitt talks, the more people do not like his message. You are right, Mr. Cain is not a mainstream politician. One of the top reasons people like him. It is far from a negative, with high and low info voters.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@ CF you might want to read Wikipedias article on ad hominem attacks in a debate:
Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one’s opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but apparent character flaws or actions that are irrelevant to the opponent’s argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and negative facts about the opponent’s personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent’s arguments or assertions.
I would guess that you support RP, I may be wrong, but they are the ones who use ad hominem attack the most on the R side. It is actually a tactic used by the far left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
July 26th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
The point is CF, is that while the rest of us are having a good civil debate on the issues at hand, you only use ad hominem. When one does that it not only makes any point they are trying to make negated, it also makes them look awkwardly like they do not have the ability to keep up with the discussion. The far left uses this tactic alot because they cannot debate the facts.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Ok, Matt MWS, so who is your second choice *wink* ??
July 26th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Matt C,
TPawns works well too.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
104
I love when people resort to the ad hominem accusation. It means I’ve won the argument. All is fair in love and war. If I can beat my opponents into submission, the end justifies the means.
And I’m still waiting for someone to discredit my list of facts. If you can’t do that, they remain just that: facts.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Rubio,
My top 3 forever have been Huck, Daniels, and TPaw. Obviously, 2 of those are gone. It really drops off after that.
I mean, really drops off.
I suppose Huntsman or Santorum.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
What is most important is that we gather 100% around whoever wins to defeat Obama. The RP supporters are in droves saying they will vote third party or not vote at all if RP does not win. That, I would say we all agree…is ludicrous.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
But weren’t you a Rudy guy last time? If so, why not Perry? I see a fantastic candidate in him.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Scott,
Paulites (I personally feel “Paultards” is a little too derogatory) are a different breed. They’re in it for the cause, which doesn’t necessarily mean winning. If they can move the Libertarian needle from 1% to 1.5%, that’s success, even if Obama gets reelected.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
“Paulitarians”
July 26th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Rubio,
No, not Rudy. In fact, he was the one candidate I could not in good conscience vote for, because he is explicitly pro-choice (even though I think he’s very personable and liked him). I was a Huckanut.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
ok, I keep getting you mixed up with somebody else,,,,from 2008…. metro something???
July 26th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
110
Agreed. And we should also avoid rallying around people who are on the way out or can’t raise a dime like Herman Cain, Tim Pawlenty, or Rick Santorum.
Pick the guy that has the best organization, AND the most experience to fix our problems.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Rubio,
“Paulitarians”
I like that. It obviously makes reference to “libertarians” but sounds enough like “proletarians” to give it an ironic twist.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
People who don’t like Rudy just don’t understand him (I don’t mean you MWS). The best way to describe Rudy is: a brilliant scholar, lawyer, statesman and politician who has a reputation as being a tough guy, when today (I did meet him once or twice) he is more like a grandfather of politics…like an FDR. He really really really would have made an excellent president.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
“ok, I keep getting you mixed up with somebody else,,,,from 2008…. metro something???”
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Oh, my……….
I’m not laughing at you, but the only other person who would get a bigger laugh out of that is Metro. He’s a very urban, VERY secular, hard core libertarian, socially liberal, minarchist. I on the other hand, am a traditional, continental Tory conservative who is hard core Catholic and has monarchist sensibilities.
You would be hard pressed to find two more opposite people who would end up voting for the same person than Metro and I.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Glad I made you laugh anyway. LOL. By the way, now I remember…… I always thought he was the gay one, when you clarified that for me.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Yeah, he’s not gay, but is ferociously protective of the lifestyle.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
yeah.. he may be from NYC and that would explain it.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Matt MWS what do you think about some of these Romney supporters on here? They seem so nasty and desperate. They take offense to any person or circumstance that would go against their beloved Mitt. They even slant things to make it look like Romney is in a better position. Its unbelievable.
July 26th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Rubio,
“Matt MWS what do you think about some of these Romney supporters on here?”
I think some of them are great……. I think some of them are earnest, and that earnestness trumps consistency and candor……. Some of them are jerks.
Now, ask the Rombots what they think of me.
July 26th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Cain’s anti muslim statements which no right thinking American, let alone of conservative bent, should support, mark him as a fringe candidate. There is no way in hell he can win the nomination, much less the Presidency with his anti muslim position. Its rank stupidity to support him, cowardice (at best) and bigotry at worst to not vociferously criticize him on that score.
His other missteps on foreign policy issues and so forth offer additional reasons he does not deserve support.
I’m happy to take bets from all comers that Cain is done. He will not win the nomination (won’t even come close). His rhetoric makes him an entertaining fringe candidate, not one to be taken seriously.
July 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Oy. I missed a lot after I signed off last night.
Matt C,
NRO was a lot more favorable to Romney four years ago. So was the Wall Street Journal. So was Rush Limbaugh. So was Heritage. Awfully hard to see Romney gaining much support from these quarters this year.
A lot of Romney’s “support” in 2007 was by default because he was (at least at the time) angling to be Mr. Conservative and lots of conservatives has lots of problems with McCain.
And MassCon, on the religion thing – I’m just going by what Cain said. He didn’t think a Mormon could win in the south. He also has a history of not liking him some Moslems so it’s not too much of a stretch to think that “dislike” extends elsewhere. Then again, maybe he thinks Mormons are A-OK.
July 26th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Just a note – in the last three weeks he has been in many other states which all have voters. This is the beginning of a marathon and folks that host him say his schedule would put lesser mortals to shame. To the one that questioned the locations on the schedule the announcement said that is just the preliminary schedule. To the ones that asked about the black audience- those thoughts are already in the works. Last Friday he spoke to the National Black Chamber of Commerce convention in Miami – the black vote is very word of mouth. Black conservatives are starting to step up for him. He attends serves as an assitant pastor historic Antioch North Baptist Church in Atlanta and I am sure has many connections into the black communities through ministerial associations. That will also require people getting out of their comfort zones and going and walking those neighborhoods.
July 26th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Herman Cain is a FRAUD. He wants us to think he’s some “tea party conservative” while he’s running up huge hotel bills at the Beverly Wilshire and riding around in limos and private jets.
He’s living the high life off donor money & his last remaining supporters are too blind to see they’re being used to fund his lifestyle and help him sell books.
He has zero substance on the issues. Every answer is either “I don’t know” or “let’s get rid of the Muslims”. He’s a joke of a candidate.
July 26th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
#124 I think you spend time on both sides of the fence. Relevant, thought-provoking, intelligent info at times and other times the credibility gets crowded out with cheap rhetoric against those you do not prefer as candidates. But I’d say there is more of the first than the latter.
July 26th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
#109 Why Huntsman?
July 26th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
I’d be surprised to see Cain drop out before he has a few more chances to debate.
What I don’t get about Cain is that, he endorsed and supported Romney in 2008, yet now he says Romney can’t win because of his religion? That is very inconsistent. And a little too convenient. Is that why Cain is running? He doesn’t like Romney’s religion? Because he seems to like Romney’s politics, at least enough to endorse him last time. Cain is a puzzle.
Cain is not going to win, but that was true from the beginning, so why drop out now?
Not counting his gaffes on foreign policy, muslim’s in his cabinet, and his strange statements about Romney lately, Cain has been a positive force in the race and in the Party in general.
July 26th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Zogby has Cain in second place:
June 30 – Bachmann 34% Cain 15%
July 11- Bachmann 28% Cain 16%
July 25 – Bachmann 25% Cain 18%
Romney fell to third place June 30.
http://www.ibopezogby.com/news/2011/07/26/ibope-zogby-gop-presidential-poll-bachmann-continues-lead-announced-field-perrys-entry-would-put-him/
July 26th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
SixMom,
“Why Huntsman?”
I’m far from an expert on him, and would dig deeper if it came down to it, but he’s got pro-life cred, was by all accounts a successful governor, and seems a reasonable guy.
July 26th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Scott,
Okay, I’m widely known around here as one of the most…….. spirited……. RomNots. I would LOVE to believe that Pawlenty is at 7 and Romney at only 17 nationally.
But historically, Zogby is a crap pollster, and his numbers for Bachmann and Cain are both WAAAAAAAAY out of line compared to only every other pollster out there. It just doesn’t pass the laugh test.
July 26th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Scott,
But I do really hope you stick around. You seem like a smart, reasonable guy, and we would benefit from a smart, reasonable Cainiac.
July 27th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
[...] Googling and failed to turn up any such thing. Finally, Henson found the article — an unsourced item by “Race 4 2012″ blogger Matt Coulter:So my prediction? Herman Cain will stay in until the day after the Ames Straw Poll, then drop out [...]
July 28th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
[...] furiously Googling and failed to turn up any such thing. Finally, Henson found the article — an unsourced item by “Race 4 2012? blogger Matt Coulter: So my prediction? Herman Cain will stay in until the day after the Ames Straw Poll, then drop out [...]
July 31st, 2011 at 4:35 pm
[...] It’s an interesting choice considering the recent moves by the Cain campaign that some believed to be winding down. [...]
August 4th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
If Cain does drop out, then I will be truly sad b/c this is the candidate that I supported for 2012 for President. The man is not a career politician which is what this country needs. We don’t need someone who’s been part of the “good old boy” system for years and just tells us what we want to hear, we need someone who is outspoken and ready to tell us what we need to hear and what we need to do to get our country back in fiscal shape.
September 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
I rest my case~!
September 24th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Yo…Matt…you still here? So Is Mr. Cain!~
October 18th, 2011 at 5:06 am
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December 31st, 2011 at 12:05 pm
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