I’m sure most of you know by now that Michele Bachmann officially entered the race for President today. She did the big, official roll-out in Waterloo, IA, the town where she was born.
While there, the congresswoman from Minnesota got a quick introduction to the level of play expected in this arena. In her exuberance of her hometown, she made the following comment:
“Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too.”
There are a couple of problems with that statement.:
Bachmann’s campaign issued the following statement:
“John Wayne is from Iowa, his parents lived in Waterloo.”
Gaffes are a fact of life for politicians. They cannot avoid them. They are only human after all. However, too many of those slips-of-the-tongue on the campaign trail can make it difficult to take the candidate seriously. That is especially true when said candidate is running for President of the United States.
One of the reasons Republicans tend to prefer candidates who have already run for President at least once before is because they tend to make fewer gaffes. They aren’t immune to them by any means, but they generally have learned to avoid the worst of the embarrassing word-slips.
June 27th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Ya see its funny how people look at things in different ways. I really dont think what you are citing here is that big of a deal. And the distinction it hangs on really doesnt mean a lot.
But I do think Chris Wallace was right to ask her if she’s a flake. Thats just me
June 27th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Libs fear Romney the most:
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/06/rm-dcnr-poll-oh-no-mitt-romney-least.html
June 27th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
When you portray yourself as a true Iowan……..a native of Waterloo, and you screw this up..well..how authentic can you really be?
Another case of where Bachmann thinks she knows some history……but she really doesn’t…and blurts something out.
Bachmann is lazy….there I said it…..and i won’t take it back.
ZERO bills….ZERO legislations in the US Congress have her name on them.
There is a reason why the other 3 GOP congressmen are supporting TPAW and not you Michele.
There is a reason why less then 5 members of the whole US House of Represenatives will publically support you Michele.
..The reason???
You don’t know what the hell you are talking about.
Period.
June 27th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Of course they do CF. aNd some in the GOP fear Romney the most because he’s the smart kid on the block, and it makes grading on a curve much more difficult.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Came on…That’s a tiny gaffe, just a small as T-Bored personality.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
After seeing Thaddeus McCotter play guitar (a telecaster!) on Huckabee Saturday night…my allegiance might be swaying a little…
Will I be his only vote in the Ames straw poll?
June 27th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Michele Bachmann: Romneycare is unconstitutional (“I Think”)
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/06/michele-bachmann-romneycare-is.html
June 27th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
This is a minor gaffe, but a somewhat humorous one. Bachmann the serial killer.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
7 – Now that is a major gaffe. There is nothing unconstitutional about the Massachusetts health care plan.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
As far as gaffes go, this is embarrassing, but not a big deal. At least I would be embarrassed if I accidentally compared myself to a serial killer. (Now a cereal killer, that would be okay.)
In light of that verbal mishap, it reflects badly on Bachmann, in my opinion, that she wouldn’t accept Chris Wallace’s apology
June 27th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Ben Says:
June 27th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Michele Bachmann: Romneycare is unconstitutional (“I Think”)
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/06/michele-bachmann-romneycare-is.html
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Another Gaff by Bachmann.. Its already litigated and has passed Constitutional muster. State have an absolute right just like they have a right to require drivers licenses. The constitution gives the states the right to such things.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
question on the fundraiser deadlines june 30th this Thursday for Q1 are we expecting every one to likely proceed to Q2 or could we see some drop out announcements coming…. after Q! are released ?
June 27th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Jaxemer11 – Ben,
When did she say the statement down below?…did she say it today?
I’m firmly am against the individual mandate. I think it is unconstitutional, whether it’s put into place at the state level by a state legislature or whether it’s put into place at the federal level. I think it’s unconstitutional,” said Ms. Bachmann.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
#10 I get it. Flake. Cereal killer. I get it.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
As much as I’m against Romneycare, and against a GOV. who would sign the bill into law……I have never heard anyone argue the Romneycare is unconstitutional in the state of Massachusetts.
I have never heard anyone say that before…..When did Bachmann say this statement?
June 27th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
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June 27th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
15 – I’ve heard people say that before … but they were all ignorant nut jobs.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
She has to come out and whack away at Romney, and it won’t matter if she doesn’t have her facts straight. She attracts a crowd that isn’t very careful with facts. If she can become the anti-Mitt in Iowa, she’ll win. If she can’t, she won’t. T-Paw already started the drumbeat on Romney, but he’s going to have to step up his attack game to match Michelle.
Maybe she can claim that Mass is not a State, but a Commonwealth, so rights reserved to states . . . but now that she knows that THE Concord is really in Mass, she has a real inner conflict: deny State status to the place where independence began? Argue strongly that not everyone should have health insurance? Brag about Minnesota/Iowa pride in all the uninsured folks they have compared to Mass?
It’ll be interesting to follow.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Michellle might start out a flake, but when the nomination process is finished, I think she’ll be more like a “toasted 0″.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Let her beat him up for a while, say something stupid, allow Perry to jump in.
The Perry could win Iowa and South Carolina.
That’s the ideal situation.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Then Perry…
June 27th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Jaxemer11,
When did Bachamann say that Romneycare was unconstitutional in the state of Massachusetts?….did she say that today?
Does anyone know?
June 27th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
#14 – snicker.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Gaffe’s are okay, but not on announcement day. Instead of talking about her meteoric rise in the polls in iowa she is talking about john wayne.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
22 – On Sunday
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/michele-bachmann-slams-mitt-romney/
June 27th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
How many times is this woman going to announce that she is running for President?
June 27th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
#22 – http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/bachmann-slams-romneycare-the-mandate-is-unconstitutional-at-the-state-level-too-video.php
June 27th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
#26 Okay. I laughed. You got me.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/michele-bachmann-slams-mitt-romney/
HOLY SMOKE!!!
Michele actually said it today.
How in the hell can she say that Romneycare is unconstitutional in the state of Massachusetts?
Even Smackdaddy won’t even go that far….Holy Cow!!!
I don’t even know how you can even start making that argument…the MASS courts already spoke on this.
I know I said Bachmann would flame out…but this is happening a little quick… isn’t it?
This is going to be some week….Bachmann rolling our her campaign…get the popcorn!
June 27th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
She has to make a gaffe on her only attack on Romney. She is a Romney stalking horse you know. Willard can’t take a direct hit from her. She had to say something or she would be revealed as his stalking horse, so she made this terrible statement so as to not hurt Romney while still appearing to attack him.
Mitt promised her the VP spot. She is a horrible person who is going to be vaporized once Mama Bear enters the race. Watch out people. You might turn to gas as well if you are too close.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
It’s tough to see how Bachmann withstands the summer with all of the scrutiny now that she is in the catbird seat to off Mitt in Iowa.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
29 – Let’s not get carried away …
Oh wait, do you know how to not get carried away?
June 27th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
32,
You’re at least as prone to hyperventilation as any of the rest of us.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Smack1968 Says:
Jaxemer11,
When did Bachamann say that Romneycare was unconstitutional in the state of Massachusetts?….did she say that today?
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Follow the link below. It’s all there.
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/06/michele-bachmann-romneycare-is.html
June 27th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Adam X,
Yeah…it’s going to be tough for her to survive. She is a flake……..Chris Wallace was wrong to ask her that question…but he asked because everybody knows it…deep down.
Nobody in the GOP establishment is supporting her…nobody.
That says something…doesn’t it?
None of her 5 former Chief of Staffs are supporting her…they are all supporting Pawlenty.
Once the curtain is pulled away from the Wizard of OZ…all you get is a flake.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Jaxemer11,
I know this lady…..she is my Congresswoman. I have witnessed her up close.
If my TPAW doesn’t win….it’s my job to make sure Bachmann doesn’t get by Mitt.
The nation needs me.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
A case could be made that the right to choose to have or not have insurance is a privilege or immunity of U.S. citizenship or a liberty that was taken away without the due process of law; and that it is therefore protected under the 14th amendment. Most conservatives, however, would not interpret the 14th amendment this broadly. I think conservatives generally have a tendency to interpret the 14th amendment too narrowly, but I wouldn’t go this far.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
36 – I don’t think the nation needs you (no offense). I think they will see through her just fine without you. She is a clown.
Iowans on the other hand … well that might be a different story.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Ben,
I thought maybe this was something Bachmann said a long time ago, but for Michele to say something this stupid today makes no sense. To take this angle of argument against Romneycare shows she does’nt pay attention to detail…in any form or matter, on any subject.
Period.
June 27th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
37 – The privileges and immunities clause means nothing. The courts read that clause out of the constitution over 100 years ago.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
37 – Besides, that argument holds no water at all. There is nothing special about insurance. Every law is a mandate.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Has Rick Perry a Brokeback Mountain problem?
http://www.mediaite.com/online/rick-perry-gay-rumors-spark-stephanie-millerrush-limbaughpolitico-war-of-words/
June 27th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Hey Smack,
Have you ever voted for Bachmann in your Congressional district races?
Anyway, if TPaw doesn’t do well, welcome aboard the Mitt train (against Bachmann).
June 27th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Corey Taylor of Slipknot grew up in Waterloo where he lived with his mom and he was addicted to cocaine by age 15. He moved to Des Moines with his grandmother and in subsequent interviews he has said, “Waterloo is a stye” and that is was like the movie Gummo.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
The Slaughter House Cases (I did a 40 page paper on this case versus the original intent of the 14th amendment) were decided wrongly in my opinion. If you read the debates on the fourteenth amendment you will see that both sides foresaw it as major shift in federal/state relationships. However, the court’s interpretation was based on the idea that surely no such change could be intended. The lawyer arguing for the interpretation the court took was actually adamantly opposed to the amendment in the first place. The court, therefore, took a position which muted the original purpose of the amendment.
You’re right that it destroyed the privileges and immunities clause. Fortunately the fourteenth amendment was resurrected in the 20th century to fulfill its’ original purpose. Though court used the DP clause when the P a I clause was probably closer to what the authors would have intended.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
“Now I’ll tell you what I think is Unconstitutional and why I supported Romneycare from the beginning. What is unconstitutional, Is the voluntarily uninsured STIFFING tax payers and those with health insurance EVERY TIME they walk into an emergency room. THAT is no longer the case in Massachusetts.”
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/06/michele-bachmann-romneycare-is.html
Amen.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
41, I support mandates and agree that being free of them is not a fundamental right. However, if it is a fundamental right and mandates are a form of communist tyranny as many conservatives seem to be claiming, then it’s not much of a stretch to say its unconstitutional. Though I doubt she even knows what part of the constitution she would be arguing this point, and she probably not aware that she would be interpreting the fourteenth amendment more broadly than most conservatives.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
It’s so moving to see Mittbots out filing amicus briefs on behalf of the Obama administration.
And it’s is the ultimate reason that I cannot forgive Mitt for his sin of RomneyCare: Since he redoubled his support of it, every logical argument for limited government ultimately boils down to the Mittbot position. Mitt would have to adopt the progressive/Stalinist reading of our Constitution as being indistinguishable from the Soviet Constitution.
Our Founders weren’t named Lenin and Trotsky, and they didn’t believe in unrestrained government power.
And Mittbots like moving the goalposts on the word “mandate” as well. A mandate is an order or requirement to do something as opposed to other types of laws which prohibit certain actions or establish procedures.
But this is secondary to the main point that when we speak of “madates” nowadays, we’re talking about RomneyCare and it’s ObamaCare spawn. We’re talking about the cravenly brain-dead solution to a problem caused by government: Requiring everyone to buy state-defined health insurance coverage because previous governing dingbats said hospitals should have to work for free on occasion.
So either Mitt is stupider than bat guano on a stick, or he’s honestly a big-government technocrat and abysmal politician who figures he, too, is smarter than the Framers, the general public, and most of the conservative base.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
“What is unconstitutional, Is the voluntarily uninsured STIFFING tax payers and those with health insurance EVERY TIME they walk into an emergency room.”
And from what part of the constitution do you draw this argument. I agree it’s not good and responsible, but that doesn’t make unconstitutional.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
“brain-dead solution to a problem caused by government: Requiring everyone to buy state-defined health insurance coverage because previous governing dingbats said hospitals should have to work for free on occasion.”
You can thank President Reagan for making it a requirement that emergency rooms service all, insurance or not!
June 27th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
45 – Yep, you are exactly right. That case was pretty clearly decided wrongly. The DP clause wouldn’t do anything to the Massachusetts mandate though. Unless, perhaps, if the court returns to the Lochner Era where they said that the right to contract was a fundamental right.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
48 – You’re an idiot. We are talking about a state mandate, not a federal mandate. You clearly don’t have a clue about what you are speaking.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
48 – You might want to start by reading the 10th Amendment. Do I need to post a link here for you? Or do you think you can find it on your own?
June 27th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
You greatly cheapen the horror of Communism when you associate it with insurance mandates. It’s fine if you’re against it, but don’t compare it to being thrown into a torture chamber for your religion, don’t compare it to being shot for speaking your mind, don’t compare it to twenty years of forced labor for not singing the praises of the Dear Leader. It’s an insult to say that being forced to pay a little bit more money for the purpose of your own healthcare is comparable to any of these things.
June 27th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Obamacare is a federal breach of power and its goal is to take over the health care system.
Romneycare is a bipartisan, popular, but flawed piece of legislation designed to make health care a Republican winning issue (since health care was a Democrat winning point).
List of people who loved Romneycare:
(1) Jim DeMint
(2) Tim Pawlenty
(3) Rick Santorum
(4) Also, every person who endorsed Mitt in 2008
(5) Heritage Foundation
June 27th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Even calling Obama a Socialist does an injustice to our political vocabulary. Socialism is about the government taking over ownership of the means of production. Americans liberals, like Obama, are for greater government oversight, but they are not for complete government ownership. Obamacare was actually very moderate compared to the system socialists would like to have. There’s no public plan, and no takeover of the insurance companies. I believe European Socialists are far from pleased with Obama. I know my European History teacher who claimed to be a Social Democrat finds him too conservative. In calling people like Obama socialist we have nothing to call the real socialists. We’re becoming the party that cried wolf one time too many.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
55,
Democrats used to be hawkish (see Kennedy, John Fitzgerald). They used to be more socially conservative too, especially in the south. They changed. In the 1990′s the notion of gay marriage would have been laughable and a fringe position in both parties.
Party platforms change. That may not be favorable to Mitt, but if the party members decide they want to go in a more conservative direction that’s their prerogative.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
The horrors of communism is the direction that our governing and establishment elites are pushing us. The majority of our academic leaders along with most of those in the media and entertainment world have been apologists for communism for 70 years, thinking it quaint and agreeing with Stalin’s view that lives didn’t matter in the cause of his revolution, because when you cut down timber, there’s always a lot of sawdust.
Our governing and legal elites are becoming increasingly power hungry, greedy, and selfish. Laws are being applied with growing arbitrariness, and ruinous lawsuits filed privately against the law-abiding. Things have only gotten worse under O-man, where PPACA waivers were given out as a form of patronage, where guns were sold to Mexican drug gangs, where IRS investigations are threatened or pursued against donors to opposition PACs, and where Conrad Black is locked up for — well, what exactly?
Hayek wasn’t nuts. This train ride end in an authoritarian Dystopia.
And Mitt Romney is indifferent to the destination; he merely wants his hand on the controls.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
51, Yes, the court striking down state mandates would also mean repealing the new deal – something that no Republican is going to do despite their rhetoric.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
If Mitt wants to win, calling the Republican Party a collection of flip floppers is probably not the way to go…
June 27th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
That’s more like the Marxist end point in communist Utopia. Socialism is a course for achieving that end point. Socialist theoreticians have laid out different options for that course, with one Western version being to use “democracy” to achieve the ends. A lot of communist states have called themselves “democratic republics.” What we casually refer to as communist states have referred to themselves as socialist states monopolized by the local communist party.
If you read the Soviet Constitution, it is filled with “guarantees” of “freedom” and, IIRC, plenty of pledges of democracy.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
57
So it’s okay for party platforms to change, but it’s not okay for Mitt to change his position on abortion?
June 27th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
John Mark,
But what if we called Obama a Godless commie?
June 27th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
62,
Mitt’s shifts in position, rhetoric, tone and emphasis are all fair game for voter reflection. Complaining about how the GOP evolves is about as useful as cursing a rainstorm for ruining a picnic.
And Mitt doesn’t want to contrast his shifts with those of the GOP because it’s a losing proposition for him.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
The way to prevent communism is not always to move to the right. You seem to view the world as a slippery slope with communism at the bottom. I would argue, that often its more like a pendulum in which swinging to far to the right will mean communism. Communism came to power in countries where the poor were already opressed and dictatorships were already in place. It didn’t happen as a gradual process of taxes on the rich getting a little higher as the government provided ever increasing welfare privileges to the poor. It happened to right wing dictatorships where the aristocrats were doing quite fine as the poor starved. Therefore, having a safety net that takes of the poor or having laws that ensure people get health treatment may do more to prevent communism then to cause it.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
“If Mitt wants to win, calling the Republican Party a collection of flip floppers is probably not the way to go…”
Yeh, allowing former supporters to bad mouth him now, makes so much more sense!
June 27th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Marquey Marque,
I like you, I really, really like you. But this country is not hurdling towards communism. A stronger government? Currently, yes. Fiscal insolvency? It appears that way. Economic crisis? Perhaps.
But do you seriously think the opposition is in the process of developing a one party totalitarian police state which will confiscate all private property? If so, you need to take a break from Glenn Beck.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
66,
I want Romney to lose. So hearing him complain about the PARTY flip flopping is something I would love to see.
I hope he takes that tack.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
64
So it’s fine to talk tough and pretend to be Conservative, since you LOVE Perry, who talks Conservative, but grew his state government from $50 billion to $90 billion, handed out tuition benefits to illegals (which served as the model for the DREAM Act), and mandated all schoolgirls be forced to be vaccinated?
The double standards you RomNots espouse are rather amusing.
Let’s just acknowledge that you have less credibility than TEX, and that’s saying something.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
63, I prefer Michael Savages term “Red Diaper Doper Baby” just for the way it rolls off the tongue.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
66,
Romney won’t have to take that tack. His supporters will do it for him.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
#62: “So it’s okay for party platforms to change, but it’s not okay for Mitt to change his position on abortion?”
Uh-ph, there you go again. Speaking in a logical manner to RomNots. Haven’t you learned anything yet? It’s a lost cause. They bend and twist theiur reasoning and it’s all legit.
They are worthless. Especialy those who would vote 3rd party or not at all.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
71 was for 68.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
69,
And your guy forces me to buy something I don’t want.
Are you Rombots going to tell your kids they don’t need to be vaccinated for Hepatitis B? I hope not, for their sake.
There’s one double standard. Mitt is a walking breathing living contradiction so the words really don’t slice too much.
And winning the favor of the Rombots has never been my goal.
71,
Yeah – whining about how the GOP has changed without even acknowledging how your candidate has changed even more, in tone, emphasis or actual positions. That’t the typical Rombottery that makes supporters for every other candidate not like your camp. That’s exactly the kind of thing that causes Mitt to lose the WV caucus.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
61, I get that there are democratic socialists, but Obama simply isn’t one of them. He may be deep down in his heart, but his policies are far cry from anything that European Socialists would be happy with.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Michele biggest gaffe in saying that Romneycare was unconstitutional is that she had just spouted her bonafides as being a tax attorney with a Phd. The first thing immediately calls into question the second.
With presidential candidates as well, sunshine is the best disinfectant. She’ll have Sarah Palin numbers by December.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
MWS:
Probably not intentionally for most, but more out of blissful ignorance of the negative consequences of their naked pursuit of power, even as they claim — and maybe believe — that their aim is to help the “little people.” But the results will be (already are) a Godzilla government that tramples the “little people” underfoot at every turn.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
74
“And your guy forces me to buy something I don’t want. Are you Rombots going to tell your kids they don’t need to be vaccinated for Hepatitis B? I hope not, for their sake.”
THAT’S IT.
I’VE HAD IT WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE A TOTAL JACKASS!!!!!!!!!
****** MITT NEVER FORCED YOU TO DO ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!! ************
PERRY MANDATED VACCINES FOR HUMAN PAPPILOMA VIRUS, A VIRTUALLY HARMLESS STD!!!!! HE WAS BASICALLY ACCEPTING THE IDEA THAT 13 YEAR OLD GIRLS HAVE SEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE A TOTAL LOSER, AND A JOKE. A FRAUD.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
57 – But not Mitt’s prerogative, of course. He is just a lying sack of crap.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Adan X: “And your guy forces me to buy something I don’t want.”
Are willing to give up your free Hospital Care Mandated by the Government when you get sick or get injured, say in a car accident or beaten up in dark alley?
How and Who do you expect topay for your Medicial Care, if you don’t buy it?
June 27th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
78,
Temper temper. Your guy is light years ahead, right? Sheesh. Celebrate, man. Break out the Martinelli’s and relax.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
58 – You have no idea what you are talking about. You should go educate yourself on exactly what communism is. Only a liberal would say we are on the verge of Communism in this country.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
80,
I didn’t buy it for a few years in my twenties. I couldn’t afford it. I survived.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
This is a Bachmann Thread. Let’s return to subject. If Romnets want an anti-Romney thread, let them write and post an article for us to comment on.
That is, if they have the ability to craft such a thing.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
83
Mitt’s plan in Massachusetts provides subsidies for people who cannot afford it.
You are really clueless, aren’t you?
June 27th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
82, Nah most of them are conservatives. Just because they are wrong doesn’t mean they are liberals.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
HA! Go talk to women with cervical cancer and see how harmless it is. And guess what, according to CDC, 50 percent of the population will come into contact with some form of HPV in their life.
It’s one thing if you want to mindlessly cheerlead for your man, but you ought to as least brush up on things before you spew falsehoods.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
69 – Be careful … he might run away and cry if you pick on Perry.
Or on second thought … don’t be careful. Perry is the worst excuse for a conservative ever.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
*3 – I did the same thing in my 30′s. But that doesn’t answer the question.
Who do yu expect to pay for your care?
Can you afford it now?
June 27th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
John Mark:
If you talk to European socialists, you’ll find them unhappy about how their own governments’ policies, even under Social-Democrat rule, are far from living up to their ideals.
It’s also hard to understate the difference between parliamentary governing systems and our very unique presidential one. In those systems, the majority party or party coalition is the government. Here, the three branches work at cross-purposes more often than not.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
85,
Mitt’s plan was the basis for a national plan. God only knows what eventually will happen there. What a good idea he passed onto Obama!
June 27th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
86 – They don’t understand communism then.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Probably the biggest reason these things swell up is because the amateurish campaigns don’t have the manpower to factcheck and so the candidates wing it.
A couple of months ago, Romney said he’d authorize waivers for all 50 states who wanted to request it. Some amateur legal scholars weighed in to say Romney had caught himself in a sticky wicket. Then the real scholars weighed in and confirmed that Romney’s proposal was quite viable. Rhetorical question: don’t you think Romney would have vetted that question with a dozen legal scholars before he used it as a primary defense of his HCR solutions? He didn’ty just come up with a good idea one day while sitting on the patio.
Michele on the other hand got caught winging it, overstating the case, which is why she has the reputation she has. And why she will have trouble being taken seriously.
But Huck did the same thing when he waxed eloquent about Obama’s Kenyan connection. He got to riffing on Obama being unamerican and started making up facts to support the story.
Also, didn’t Michele just bury herself when she couldn’t explain to Bob Schieffer why she had accused Obama of unamerican sympathies???
June 27th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
87
So, why can’t you make this argument on health care?
Everyone in their lives NEEDS health care at some point. Should we mandate them to have insurance too? Or just mandate them to have vaccines?
Why can’t you let them choose to get vaccinated by themselves?
You see? You are really starting to unravel.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Too bad Kavon didn’t follow through with the threat and ban Adam X. Maybe it will happen one of these days.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
89,
Sure. Now I have it. But I couldn’t afford it then. It was a risk I took. If I got sick I would have had to pay for it and deal with bad credit for a few years.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
95,
Kavon never threatened to ban me. One of the Rombots just whined and asked him to. I don’t remember which one.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Adam X –
Who do you expect to pay for your care?
Can you afford Insurance now?
Do you even have coverage now?
June 27th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
91
SO WHAT if Mitt’s plan was the basis for Obama’s, even if that were TRUE?
OBAMA is the one who forced it down our throats!!! More than half the people hated it!!!!
Mitt has ALWAYS OPPOSED OBAMACARE, and even said in 2007, when his plan was POPULAR, that he doesn’t want it on a national level!!!!!!!!!!
SO IGNORANT
June 27th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
94,
First of all – the vaccine was optional, so I reject the premise. But everyone has to get booster shots before going to school. But assuming you don’t have the waiver, paying a 100 or 200 dollar bill for the booster shot in order to go to school isn’t the same as being forced to buy insurance or face a yearly penalty.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
96 – Thanks.
I did the same thing, for similar reasons for a breif period of time during a career change.
But to live life that way for an extended period of time is not the answer. That was the issue Masscare was trying to resolve.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
98,
I answered you in 96.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Mitt did a hell of a lot more to stop ObamaCare than Perry did. He was instrumental in the election of Scott Brown, which almost killed ObamaCare completely and did kill the public option.
What did Perry do to stop ObamaCare?
June 27th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
103,
Mitt did a hell of a lot more than anyone else to set the table for ObamaCare by implementing a similar state level plan that Obama champions as his beta test version.
Perry did more than Mitt simply by, you know, not giving him rhetorical cover.
June 27th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Adam’s non-response (a rarity) to my comment at #94 is telling. In person, he’d have been speechless.
He would have said “… uh but uh… it’s different… uh….”
June 27th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
100 – The plan Mitt pushed was optional as well, but he was overriden by the legislature:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2006/04/understanding-key-parts-of-the-massachusetts-health-plan
At least he went to the legislature, unlike Perry who decided to mandate the vaccine by executive fiat.
I don’t know why I even bother with you. You aren’t here to be serious. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were a liberal troll anyways. I have never seen you make a positive argument that leads to believe you know anything about what it means to be a conservative.
June 27th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
106,
Oh come on. Did he sign the bill?
June 27th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
106
And don’t forget the vaccine mandate was BEFORE the vaccine was determined “safe” by the FDA! AND it was provided entirely by his major affiliate, Merck Corporation.
June 27th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Some of you Rombots,the cowardly ones,you can’t debate so you want Adam X banned.
If it was up to you,you would ban everybody from running except Willard.
In your twisted mind Willard should run unopposed,like in any two bits
Banana Republic.
June 27th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Expectations game from the Romney folks, played well.
“A Romney campaign source tells USA TODAY that the former Massachusetts governor will raise $15 million to $20 million during the second quarter.”
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/06/barack-obama-fundraising-2nd-quarter-/1
June 27th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
107 – Do you know what compromise means?
June 27th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
109 – I think we are debating Adam X just fine.
June 27th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
It’s bad enough that Bachmann got John Wayne’s birthplace wrong, …..It’s bigger than that……She got John Wayne, the icon mixed up with John Wayne Gacy, the mass murderer.
June 27th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Adam X (or any other RomNot who would like to participate),
Since you hate what evil Mitt did with health care in Massachusetts, what should he have done differently. Before you go spouting off about things you know nothing about, I encourage you to read about what actually happened (in the press and behind the scenes):
http://articles.boston.com/2011-05-30/lifestyle/29600244_1_health-care-mitt-romney-individual-mandate
http://articles.boston.com/2011-05-30/lifestyle/29600244_1_health-care-mitt-romney-individual-mandate
What should he have done differently in Massachusetts?
June 27th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
MassCon,
Unless they only actually raised 15-20 million. In which case, he had a relatively crappy quarter.
June 27th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
114
Yes it would be.
June 27th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Oops, there were supposed to be two different articles in 114. Here is the second:
http://articles.boston.com/2011-06-26/lifestyle/29706413_1_overhaul-mitt-romney-health-care
June 27th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
“They are worthless. Especialy those who would vote 3rd party or not at all.” Blah, blah, Quit rattling your sabre and explain why we should vote for a non-Conservative.
June 27th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
“Some of you Rombots,the cowardly ones,you can’t debate so you want Adam X banned.” Bingo, the Romneyites used to get pollman to do their dirty work because they could not debate the fact.
June 27th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
The pollman?
Is that the guy who banned every Palin supporter and destroyed ROS
web site,lose all traffic and forced Kavon to shut it down?
June 27th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
119. That would be him TEX
June 27th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Confused – so AdamX, were you for Perry’s mandate for the HPV vaccine? Can’t tell from your posts, but it seemed that you were defending it
By the way, since we want to get all “factual” about the effects of HPV; HPV falls in the category of an STD – doesn’t make sense to mandate young girls (read “not sexually active”)to get it.
The vast majority of HPV’s do not cause cervical cancer, just genital warts or no symptoms at all.
The vaccine is controversial, not just because of the mandate, but because it’s efficacy is in question and there are over 40 subtypes of HPV that the vaccine doesn’t cover against.
Your avoiding the issue under the false pretext that HPV is a killer. As you said – 50% will or are affected with it. Guess what percentage get cervical cancer? .00006%
Furthermore, Perry’s ties to Merck were ultimately that lead to it’s downfall.
June 27th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Sorry, it’s .0006%
June 27th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
117 – a vote for third party is a vote for Obama. What more do you need? Can’t get any simpler than that. Not a single Romney supporter on this site has said they will vote 3rd party if someone else gets it – probably due to in part that no one has effectively challenged him yet, see I can be objective. Can you?
June 27th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Who the heck is pollman? I was at ROS and don’t remember him/her.
June 28th, 2011 at 12:53 am
Uh oh, Bachmann gets into a statistical tie with Romney in one poll and out come the Rombot knives…..
June 28th, 2011 at 12:55 am
This website is becoming pathetic with it’s incessant Romney homerism.
Can whomever is in charge of R42012 PLEASE get some writers (other than Dave) who are not on the payroll of the Romney campaign?
June 28th, 2011 at 6:38 am
Colorado Guy, care to answer the question in 114? Or are you just going to spout off ad hominem attacks with no substance?
June 28th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Are you kidding?!?! Please, this is so minor, I can’t believe this was the subject of a post. You must be trying really hard to discredit her. Unlike our current President, I’ll bet she’ll never claim there are 57 states or that Emperor Hirohito personally surrendeder at the end of WWII.
June 28th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Dude, Colorado guy – if you would even read the thread, the majority of Mitt supporters thought that the gaffe was pretty minor – the thread then moved onto other topics. A little late to the party – but continue with baseless attacks. As you were.