Last Friday, Mitt Romney was conducting a New Hampshire Town Hall, when he was asked about Global Warming/Climate Change. Romney answered the query by stating his belief the Earth is getting warmer and man may have some role in causing it. Romney’s response set off a furor within the Talk Radio and Blogosphere circles, culminating in Conservative potentate Rush Limbaugh to proclaim, “Bye, bye Nomination.”
However, Rush and Co. may find they have their collective asses in a bit of a sticky wicket, considering Romney’s potential 2012 GOP rival, Sarah Palin also once believed in Global Warming.
That’s right, you read that correctly.
Sarah Palin believed in Global Warming. And apparently “man-made” global warming at that:
“I believe that man’s activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change.” – Sarah Palin, Sept 2008
From the Alaskan Government website on Climate Change:
“On September 14, 2007, former Governor Sarah Palin signed Administrative Order No. 238, officially forming the Alaska Climate Change Sub-Cabinet (see Press Release). The Sub-Cabinet is charged with preparing and implementing an Alaska Climate Change Strategy. This will be a transparent document which deals with state policies for anticipated climate change.
The Sub-Cabinet’s strategy will discuss:
• Building the state’s knowledge of the actual and foreseeable effects of climate warming in Alaska
• Developing appropriate measures and policies to prepare communities in Alaska for the anticipated impacts from climate change
• Providing guidance regarding Alaska’s participation in regional and national efforts addressing causes and effects of climate changeOn September 21, 2007, former Governor Palin signed on as an Observer to the Western Climate Initiative (WCI). The WCI is a collaboration launched in February 2007 between the Governors of Arizona, California, New Mexico, Oregon and Washington to meet regional challenges raised by climate change. Other States and Canadian Provinces have joined, some as partners, some as observers.”
During the 2008 campaign, Palin seemed to be in agreement with McCain and the newly adopted GOP platform accepting GW exists. But Palin did not believe that man was the cause. Evidently, that did not sit well back at McCain campaign headquarters, so Palin, as only she can, embarked on a verbal tour of reiterating her positions. According to ABC News ( yes I know a disreputsable source):
The subject was global warming, covered in Chapter 2 of ABC’s multi-part interview with the Alaska governor whom John McCain cast as his running mate. Just a few weeks ago, in an interview with conservative Newsmax, Palin had this to say:
‘I’m not one … who would attribute [global warming] to being man-made’
“Asked about that view by anchorman Charlie Gibson in a clip played on “Nightline,” her initial response was: “I believe that man’s activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change.”
A shift, to be sure, but note the use of “can be” instead of “are.”
But to be fair, Palin’s position on Global Warming would best be expressed by the Governor herself. So here are to clips of Palin articulating her positions on the issue, on two separate occasions (here and here).
Now Palin, in the opinion of this author, was in a position to act responsibly while Governor, to review the scientific research at that time and act accordingly. And she did. Palin has also been against the Liberal big government policy solutions, such as Cap & Trade, American Only compliance on clea air initiatives and any indusrty regulations which would hamper growth of the US economy or energy production. In fact, Palin’s former positions on the issue were basically Mitt Romney’s positions on the issue.
In April 2009, just a few months before Palin resigned her Governorship, she gave a speech, in which she seemed to be warming up to some GW solutions:
“Many believe that in order to mitigate these long term and systematic changes it will require a national and global effort to decrease the release of human produced greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. However, simply waiting for low carbon emitting renewable capacity to be large enough will mean that it will be too late to meet the mitigation goals for reducing CO2 that will be required under most credible climate change models, including the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) modeled scenarios”
So again we see Palin addressing human behavior in the role emissions play in the global warming issue and a need to address it.
However, there has been a significant shift in the thinking regarding the entire Global Warming issue, with may on the right taking a decidely more strident and skeptical view, in light of the scandal involving the dubious nature of the scientific research. Talk Radio, a major component of Palin’s fan base, led the policy charge.
Palin appears to have gauged the sentiment on the right was shifting, and in order to curry favor and remain in good stead with them, began taking issue with the science involved. Resorting to her new found talent for social media, in December 2009, Palin tweeted:
“Copnhagn Climate Summit;Obama should boycott in light of bogus “findings”Public leary re:snake oil science,he must take stand on climategate”
In February 2010, Palin moved further away from her previously held beliefs, when she gave a speech in Californina, in which she described the so called studies supporting global climate change a “bunch of snake oil science.”
Does this mean Sarah Palin now believes the entire issue is a fraud?
Meanwhile, Romney has maintained his position on GW in a consistent manner since they were established. His response in New Hampshire last week, which was not played on the Rush Limbaugh, outlined Romney’s views, which werefully fleshed out in his book – ‘No Apology’ – and even generated applause. So while Romney has not flipped and remained true to his beliefs, even in the face of partial right-wing ire and skepticism, the real question is:
Did Sarah Palin, in order to retain the favor of her ardent media supporters, Global Warming deniers Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, sell out her beliefs and flip-flop on the issue, rather than stand up like a true Mama Grizzly, for her previously well stated position, for crass 2012 political opportunism?
And if she did, isn’t that just a form of right-wing “finger in the wind” pandering?
Mama Grizzly indeed.
*H/T’s to Bosman, Hamaca and Pablo for referencing their excellent works in preparation of this post.
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-Doug NYC GOP also blogs at RightSpeak
June 8th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Sarah is a RINO moderate squish milquetoast liberal.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Here is what TEX had to say on the issue candidates who believe in man made global warming earlier today:
June 8th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
TEX also had this little gem:
June 8th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
I wonder what TEX has to say now?
June 8th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Sarah is a Marxist Communist squish who wants to destroy American capitalism and make us ride bicycles to work. And she’s a no good squishy flip flopper.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Sarah believes in that liberal groupthink nonsense.
RINO liberal,crony,statist,marxist phony and a fraud.
Mitt romney throws crooks like sarah to prison for,
breakfast.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
LOL!!!!
June 8th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Doug,
Good article, btw.
Palin also called for capping carbon emissions in her debate with Biden.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Wow.
I smell fear.
Squishy RINO NE liberal Vichy Republican fear.
and it smells like…
victory.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvB0lLnh74U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2IVytlHDcY
here are the links to the videos referenced in the above stories.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
No Tele,
Not fear.
I just like to correct the record whenever possible. I’m sure after all the untruths written, posted and said about Palin, you wouldn’t begrudge me that right. Would you?
So rather than ignore the issue, you’re a smart guy, answer the question the article raises.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
(Please promote to main story)
Ed Rollins does a freackin 180 on his comments which may not have been a big deal in the grand scheme of things (Remember. he is staff) but now thanks to his 180
He looks like an idiot
His client looks an idiot
His opponent wins and is somewhat enlarged and didnt have to lift a finger
This is what happens when someone is out there working to scratch an itch rather than help the process, the country or who actually believes in their candidate. I hope CNN takes notice the next time they ass kiss him for 15min as they’ve done for years. I’m not even a fricken Bachmann fan and I feel bad for her. God, consultants are a waste
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56518.html#ixzz1OhlVaHay
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/08/rollins-wants-palin-allies-for-bachmann/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_politicalticker+%28Blog%3A+Political+Ticker%29
June 8th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQNVDgImB4
June 8th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Yeah Tele, it is funny how these guys want to position themselves as Hard Right Conservatives all of a sudden. I guess they are tired of being to the Left of Tex.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
I think Palin should “man up” and become a candidate. If she can’t take some criticism over her past positions then she shouldn’t be in the spotlight. No special treatment for Sarah. Sorry Mark Levin! Your gal is gonna have to earn it the hard way.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Telly,
You called people with Palin’s stance on this issues “idiots.” on the Quinnipiac thread.
Do you really think Palin’s an idiot?
June 8th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
OJ,
It’s not about that. It’s about exposing hypocrisy and double standards.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
And how is this not worse than Mitt Romney’s stance? Mitt said he BELIEVES IN IT, but he doesn’t believe in cap n trade and wouldn’t sign any bill taxing omissions of CO2. Mitt actually put this to the test when he was governor, and he vetoed a bill that would of taxed emissions.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
In this clip, Palin says whether it’s man made or not, “We have to do something it” (global warming)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0U76z0KoyQ&feature=player_embedded
June 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Mitt’s more consistent on this than Palin. And guess what…he’s right on the science.
And this is from the guy that would rather chew broken glass than vote for Romney (though he’d still get my vote any day over Obama).
June 8th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Sarah Palin ON RECORD supporting CAP AND TRADE in 2008 VP debate!!!!!!!!
She’s DONE!!!!!!!
BAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
LAST 10 SECONDS ARE A KILLER!!!!
H/T to Matt “MWS”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQNVDgImB4
June 8th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
21,
This is where the Palindrones tell us that it was all McCain’s doing and that Palin was just being a good soldier.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
11. LOL
Whatev Dougs
Bullshit artists are gonna spread it. I guess you felt compelled to expose yourself…
This is a reflection of you and this site.
The answer, that I’ve already given…*and perhaps you’re too ignorant to grasp* is that everything we know about global warming has changed since 2008.
The release of the emails and “scientific” notes from the University of East Anglia and Penn State have thoroughly debunked it. (funny, they said they were “hacked” – just like Weiner…the excuse of liar’s everywhere)
Hockey stick? Proven false
Hide the decline? Yes they did, in a dishonest effort to keep the scam going…
You can possibly fault Governor Palin for holding those views in 2008. Al Gore was winning Oscars and I would say a majority of people took the scientists at their word…back then.
No longer. Only a fool or someone with a vested interest would still believe that crap.
So no.
To answer your bullshit “question” Governor Palin is not pandering with her finger in the wind.
A better question would be…
how fricking dumb are you Doug?
‘smart guy’ indeed.
LOL
June 8th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
But Rombots….back to reality.
Palin’s supporters aren’t going to desert her over this. She’s the ultimate woman scorned and she is going to be protected with the ferocity of an animal mother protecting its young.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
This is very disturbing. I am starting to wonder if Sarah Palin has any core beliefs at all? Perhaps under all that makeup, there is nothing there but naked ambition?
June 8th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
No longer. Only a fool or someone with a vested interest would still believe that crap.
I believe it. I didn’t used to, but I do now. And I have a degree in atmospheric science. And I work in the private sector and global warming doesn’t butter my bread.
It makes no difference ifa group of scientists forge documents or if leftists try to exploit this for political gain.
It also makes no difference if the next ten winters are colder than average.
If man keeps pumping CO2 into the atmosphere the temperature WILL rise.
That doesn’t mean Cap N Tax is needed. It doesn’t mean it’s even a bad thing in the short term. But it WILL happen and at some point it WILL need to be addressed.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Telly,
“The release of the emails and “scientific” notes from the University of East Anglia and Penn State have thoroughly debunked it.”
Not exactly. It ruined the credibility of those who participated, but the global warming crowd (of which I’m not a part, btw) is much larger than them.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Wow Tele,
Well you certianly told me off, complete with profanity and everything.
And here I thought we were buddies and could discuss the topic rationally.
(sob, sob, dabbing at eyes with hankie)
Then again, when you make the other guy (you) blow a gasket, start cursing and stammering, it usually means you scored your points and won the day.
Thanks for confirming that.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
26. You cannot prove that.
And while calling it ‘pumping’ makes it sound all big and scary, the amount of CO2 as a percent of the atmosphere is minimal and insignificant, coupled with the fact that the earth and atmosphere has the ability to absorb excess CO2.
The alarmist have it backwards…warming causes a rise in CO2 levels. This has all been proven.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Ha,ha,ha,…,ha,ha,ha…..
Ooooooh,
The pain,the panic,Rombots in terror and nightmare.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
I’m just really really disappointed with the dishonesty, Doug.
I guess I should expect it.
I’m sure it will get worse too, as you guys face the inevitable reality.
Last week was but a taste of what’s in store for you.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
“It’s not about that. It’s about exposing hypocrisy and double standards.” The is rich coming from the PDS side.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Adam ,
Appreciate your honesty on this topic and “broken glass” comments about Romney (lol). It proves that despite disagreeing with you vehemently in the past, I can still respect you.
Now to your point about converts, i agree and it was not my intention or motivation. As I said, I just wanted to set the record straight and level the field.
If Governor Palin has moved and no longer believes in GW, that is fine. If Romney still believes but is not for the left wing solutions, than that should be fine as well.
This “all or nothing” conservative purity game played by Rush & Co. is wrong and hypocritical.
And if Romney is going to be criticized for changing positions, that others who flip should be brought to light as well.
Again, thanks for being intellectually honest on this one.
Now back to squabbling…
June 8th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
29,
It’s minimal but it’s not insignificant. If the 0.4 percent of carbon dioxide weren’t there, the average temperature of the planet would be about zero degrees Fahrenheit, instead of the current 60.
The earth and the atmosphere has a FINITE capacity to absorb CO2. Anything greater and you get into a situation surface energy budget equation is imbalanced. When net energy gains exceed net energy losses over the long haul…then in time we will be in trouble.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Tele,
Where was I being “dishonest”?
I thought I made a good efforet to post as many links as possible to source material I used in preparing this. Perhaps they didn’t make it through the posting process.
I actually began the article thinking both palin and Romney shared the same views. It wasn’t till I researched I found she had changed her position.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Tex, tex, tex,
You old varmint…still peddling that panic line? Come on, you can do better. Why not epalin palin’s position change and enlighten us.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
TEX,
“Ha,ha,ha,…,ha,ha,ha…..
Ooooooh,
The pain,the panic,Rombots in terror and nightmare.”
That’s it?
That’s all you’ve got?
But you had so MUCH to say about global warming believers this morning!
June 8th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
It’s hardly ‘flip flopping’ to take into account new data that disproves previous widely held beliefs.
Face the facts.
You support a flip flopper so you need to portray others and flip floppers.
Just like when Clinton was caught with his pants down people started sending around emails of all presidents having affairs, it lessons the damage if everyone is doing it.
It’s a weak and obvious attempt at psy-ops.
it is also dishonest.
But after Weinergate, perhaps I shouldn’t hold you big city boys to too high of standards.
Intellect honesty? You don’t know what it means Doug
June 8th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Actually as a side note, I am surprised on this site how many folks don’t either like or listen to rush and Levin. I would have thought otherwise.
Any ideas as to why conservatives around here don’t think that highly?
Might be a good topic for a thread or post.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
~ PALIN 2012! ~
Because McCain/Palin 2008 just was not big enough of a defeat.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
There’s just something creepy about Gov. Palin that I can’t put my finger on. She is like a cheesy Amway salesperson who won’t leave you alone.
Is it Pure or is it Palin?
June 8th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Doug,
“Tele, Where was I being “dishonest”?”
When you repeated those lies about global from that liberal milquetoast RINO, Sarah Palin, and didn’t refudiate them!!!
June 8th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
So Pawlenty, Romney, Christie, Gingrich, and now Palin have all believed that man was a contributor to global warming at one point or another. So why is it that only Romney gets the criticism for it?
June 8th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Shouldn’t science be left to actual scientists? You find out what scientists think in peer-reviewed scientific journals, not on Hannity or O’reilly. Global warming is a fact. However, there is still debate whether it is man-made or not. Most climate scientists think it is. There was no conspiracy at the university of East Anglia, the hockey stick has not been proven false. Why are republicans at war with science? Biology, History, Archaeology, Physics, social sciences, you’re like 12th century islamists!
June 8th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Hey Tele
It’s one thing to change your view based on changing science.
It’s another to have ever supported Cap and Trade while running for president.
I don’t care if you believe in global warming or not… Cap and Trade is WRONG and it damages this country compared to China, India, and Brazil.
I will never support a candidate who supported kneecapping this country on behalf of a program that has questionable impact on the climate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQNVDgImB4
Last 10 seconds please.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Tele,
There was a lot of GW skepticism long before that email scandal broke. If Palin really didn’t believe it, whay did she act on it as Gov, before she was even national news?
Do we know for sure, even today if she believes GW in total is a fake or just the man made aspect?
Rather than take out your disappointmenton me, just because she is not as Rush and Co, paint her, research the issue and let us know.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Telly,
“You support a flip flopper so you need to portray others and flip floppers.”
Every candidate flips on somethings. Some of it is for convenience, ambition, sincere change of heart, whatever. The question is how important is the issue, and what, if anything, does it tell us about the flipper.
In this case, Palin’s flip isn’t a big deal- in and of itself. I just have fun watching the Palindrones swing from their own petard.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
I don’t what to think about Global Warming but it frustrates me that this is considered a political issue. There either is or isn’t global warming and its a matter of scientific investigation not political opinion. I’ll bet you a lot of conservative’s who deny global warming haven’t done a shred of reading actaul scientific research, but they’ll just go along with whatever a loudmouthed radio personality says.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
48
BINGO
June 8th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Man may have contributed slightly to so called Global Warming, now reclassified as Climate Change, but is not the main contributer, Nature is.
We have had hotter spells than this when there was no major industry and fewer people on earth. Weather patterns have gone hot and cold for hundreds of years. Did the Dinosours cause the Ice Age?
Sen James Inhofe has amased a pile of evidence to debunk much of the so called science of Climate Change.Do we need to do our best to protect our enviornment? Of course. But much of the Enviornmentalist agenda is to undermine our Capitalist System and relagate the USA to Third World status.
Let’s have reasonable enviornmental laws that don’t undermine our economy and cause busineses to collapse and workers to loose good jobs. I’ll not support anybody that buys into the Sierra Club or Green agenda.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
#48: It’s a political issue because of the solutions certian sections of our political class want to impose and their effects on the country’s economy, foreign policy, etc.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Whatever her position, it probably can’t be as bad as Michelle Bachmann. I can imagine her asking her supporters what position she should adopt: “If you want me to be for global warming, send $25. If you want me to be against global warming, send $50.”
June 8th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Doug,
“There was a lot of GW skepticism long before that email scandal broke. If Palin really didn’t believe it, whay did she act on it as Gov, before she was even national news?”
An excellent question. And it appears from the Gibson interview that Sarah was ALSO a skeptic about man’s contribution to it. But then she squished big time, because she’s a milquetoast Marxist RINO.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
#48 – See #50
He summed it up much than I did.
Well said, Sir.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Would someone PLEASE post this article link on the conservative sites like Hot Air, or on any of the Facebook groups like Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, etc? People need to know that Sarah did also believe in global warming.
I swear, the conservative media is doing whatever they can to defend and hide Sarah’s record the same way the Lame Stream Media covered up Obama’s record. It’s disgusting and shameful!
I have totally lost respect for Rush, Levin, and Hannity over their constant slobbering over Sarah Palin. If she gets the nomination, Obama WILL be reelected. They will be held accountable if that happens.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
I am on the phone.
I’ll put you in your places later.
Sarah Palin:Climate change is cyclical.
Mitt:Yeah,I believe in Al Gore and Obama man made GW scam and hoax.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Somebody say something about Pawtenty.
We need to give the guy some air time, he’s dying out there.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
TEX has always been such a stout-hearted defender of the Zebracuda. So far, all he’s had to say about this is “ha, ha, ha.”
Something tells me TEX didn’t know all this about Sarah before…….
June 8th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
#56 — Ohhhh, can’t wait for that.
Will you curse at me like Tele?
June 8th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
The Mittsters are getting NNNEEERRRVVVOOOUUUSSS!!!!! The fact is that she was being prudent when she was governor. Alaska would be affected by any climate change whether it is man-made or natural. It is not unusual for members of a ticket to have to defend things they do not believe in. When George Bush broke his no new taxes pledge, Dan Quayle and other members of the administration had to defend it even though they did not support it.
The fact is that Palin has never supported any global warming measures and she has consistently supported drilling. The fact is that the massive amount of fraud that was revealed in the leaked e-mails should prove conclusively that there is no man-made global warming. One CBS commentator who saw the movie said the one thing that surprised her was that Palin’s message of smaller government now is the same thing she was saying when she ran for mayor.
Why did Romney bring up global warming? He was trying to pander. When he was running for governor, he said he wanted to index the minimum wage to inflation. After he won, he vetoed it. He never had any intention of doing so and said it to get a few votes and when he won, he threw them under the bus. As happened then, he’s hoping to get a few of the global warming freaks to think he’s on their side to get a few votes and then he’ll throw them under the bus. Romney is the quintessential politician. Say whatever it takes to get elected.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
RINO ALERT!
Sarah Palin: “Climate change is real and we need to do something about it.”
June 8th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
“Why are republicans at war with science? Biology, History, Archaeology, Physics, social sciences, you’re like 12th century islamists!”
Interesting statement… actually I seem to recall the Arabs were more advanced than their European brethren in the Middle Ages, an Iraqi city (I forget the name) was actually quite the center of learning. Things have flipped since then and now it seems that it’s the Arab world that’s slow to catch on to progress. This is of course an over simplified version of things (MWS would know more, I think he’s much more of an expert in Medieval history), but it’s curious that you’d pick 12th century Muslims as the prime example of anti – science.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
TEX,
Watch the videos and read the links. In her own mangled-syntax-sort-of-way, Palin said she believes man contribues to GW, AND she supports capping carbon emissions.
You are in total denial, man. Sarah Palin is not the goddess of your fantasies. Get over it, and don’t put all your faith in politicians. Not ANY politician, no matter how great her legs.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
So Global Warming affects Alaska but not Massachusetts? So Sarah sees a problem but refuses to do anything about it? And this makes her more appealing? Now who’s pandering?
Sarah Palin will say anything to get Rush & company behind her so she can get elected.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Franklin,
“The fact is that Palin has never supported any global warming measures”
So Sarah was lying when Gwen Iffil asked Palin directly if she supports capping carbon emissions and Palin said, “Yes.”
I swear, if you call Sarah a liar once more, TEX is going to bust out some serious animal metaphors on you!!!
June 8th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Romney didn’t bring up global warming…someone at the townhall meeting ask him about it.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
I have totally lost respect for Rush, Levin, and Hannity over their constant slobbering over Sarah Palin. If she gets the nomination, Obama WILL be reelected. They will be held accountable if that happens.
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I have no respect for the garbage you are spouting. There is nothing wrong with setting the record straight. Just because you don’t like it tough luck. We heard the same thing about Reagan. It’ll be worse than Goldwater. The party will go the way of the Whigs. We’ve heard all the gloom and doom. We have liberals like Howard Dean and Joe Klein saying Palin could beat Obama.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
#50 so are you saying that journals like science and nature, the leading universities of the world and indeed the vast majority of the international scientific community is part of a conspiracy to destroy America? If a scientist figures out a theory that explain the matter better than current theory, he/she will publish it and it will become the new consensus. That’s how science works, you hold to the best theory until a better theory is thought of.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
John Mark,
Yes, there was something of a “Muslim Renaissance” in the central middle ages (which also spilled over into art and letters), and for the most part, the Islamic world was far more advanced than Christendom in areas like mathematics, astronomy, physics, etc….
That’s why we us the Arabic numeral system.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
60. Franklin,
You said: “Why did Romney bring up global warming? He was trying to pander.
This post stated: “Last Friday, Mitt Romney was conducting a New Hampshire Town Hall, when he was asked about Global Warming/Climate Change.
Apparently, Mitt had no idea what questions he would be asked and simply was responding to a question in the Town Hall format, i.e. unplugged and unscripted. It’s a difficult type interaction, since it can be so unpredictable.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
So Global Warming affects Alaska but not Massachusetts? So Sarah sees a problem but refuses to do anything about it? And this makes her more appealing? Now who’s pandering?
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Hard to tell with you but you might notice that Alaska’s climate is very much different than Massachussetts. The effects are going to be different.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
69: True, it was the first question at a Town Hall. Rush played about the first 34 seconds of a 2 miinute answer, which as I noted generated applause. If the link is not in this version of the story go to http://www.rightspeak.net
BTW Hamaca has a terrific post there as well spelling out Romney’s history on the issue.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
“It’s a political issue because of the solutions certian sections of our political class want to impose and their effects on the country’s economy, foreign policy, etc”
The solutions can be a political issue without the facts about the atmosphere being a political issue. Just like we have two theories about how to do with poverty, but hopefully don’t debate the facts regarding its nature and existence.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
The only honest answer is to say we don’t really know. And for someone in a leadership position needs to be even more careful. Because… we really don’t know. The science has been so corrupted by greed, we really don’t know anything.
For the regular radio guy or blog reader it doens’t matter. They just need fans, so they say the reckless stuff, lives don’t depend on them, so why not?
Palin reacts more like a radio guy or a blog reader than a leader.
Not just on GW but on everything. Palin is celebrity not a leader.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
60
“The fact is that Palin has never supported any global warming measures and she has consistently supported drilling.”
She made sure of that by quitting her job so she didn’t need a record at all to stand by. She went on the air with Gibson saying she believed in man-made global warming and then *conveniently* quit her job thereafter so she wouldn’t have to put her money where her mouth was.
Sarah Palin is as big a panderer as any other politician in history. There’s not a thing about her that makes her any more sincere or “pure” as the next guy. She’s in it for publicity, money, and power, plain and simple.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
So Sarah was lying when Gwen Iffil asked Palin directly if she supports capping carbon emissions and Palin said, “Yes.”
I swear, if you call Sarah a liar once more, TEX is going to bust out some serious animal metaphors on you!!!
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That was the McCain campaign’s official stand. She was not at the top of the ticket so she was not representing her views. I think TEX is not troubled by Palin Derangement Syndrome which makes you and others say the stupidest things.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Wow franklin #60
I just read yor post. I was being nice to you above, but listen dude, you need to research before making wild assumptions like you posted.
You look like a horse’s ass now.
Romney brought it up because he was pandering?
Shabby.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Let’s review the facts:
a) Sarah Palin recognized the effects of global warming in Alaska in the form of melting icecaps, wildlife, etc.
b) Sarah Palin set up a cabinet position to combat global warming
c) Sarah Palin supported some kind of limits on carbon emissions to combat global warming
d) Sarah Palin enacted no anti-carbon measures as Governor
e) Sarah Palin no longer believes in global warming
So if global warming is a hoax, then Palin was easily fooled and bought into the Al Gore marxist plot.
Or if global warming is happening, then Palin was right to recognize it but was not courageous enough to enact any anti-carbon measures in her state, despite the melting glaciers, etc. Further, once public opinion turned against it, she flip flopped.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Apparently, Mitt had no idea what questions he would be asked and simply was responding to a question in the Town Hall format, i.e. unplugged and unscripted. It’s a difficult type interaction, since it can be so unpredictable.
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That showed the true nature of Mitt Romney. To take both sides of every issue. Hardly a leader.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
76 lol I knew this would come up. Sorry, its not McCain’s position if she set up a cabinet post for it. Alreeady refudiated.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
#73; Agreed.
Perhaps one side is afraid to admit the facts for fear of giving the big government rival an upper hand politically.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Why do the National Academy of Sciences hate America?
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/index.jsp
Oh look! The Brits hate America too!
http://royalsociety.org/Climate-Change/
June 8th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Palin shows up to give a speech at the exact same time and place as Romney on his announcement day, which she had been planning for DAYS in advance.
Either she did it to be vicious, or she did it because she’s stupid. Those are the two options – neither of which show a person ready to be President of the United States.
People ignorantly call her the candidate who resembles Reagan the most, yet Reagan’s 11th Commandment was to not attack other Republicans. She’s not about decency or respect, she’s about SARAH FRIGGIN PALIN all the time.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Folks,
Rush is simply wrong about climate change. I’m a down the line conservative and I don’t support Carbon Tax schemes but even amateur gardeners can tell you that things aren’t what they used to be.
Rush keeps asserting that the planet hasn’t warmed since the 1990′s – but USDA proves otherwise.
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2008-04-23-gardening-map_N.htm
The warming has been predominantly at night – and the climate zones for plantng are based on the annual average minimum temperature. The number of days below -20 in Upstate NY and VT has been diminishing for decades. Average annual minimum temps in Harrisburg, PA are now above zero.
All this means that different plant species can grow in places that were previously too cold.
I know everyone likes to play “Gotcha” to help the prospects of their favored candidate – but if anyone bothers to actually look at the evidence it is hard to conclude that there hasn’t been at least some warming.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
79. Franklin, I’m not following how you got from my comment to yours.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Franklin,
By my calender, the election was over by April, 2009, when Palin said this, as Doug noted above:
“Many believe that in order to mitigate these long term and systematic changes it will require a national and global effort to decrease the release of human produced greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. However, simply waiting for low carbon emitting renewable capacity to be large enough will mean that it will be too late to meet the mitigation goals for reducing CO2 that will be required under most credible climate change models, including the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) modeled scenarios”
June 8th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
#78
You said in 9 lines what took me, I can’t count that high.
You are an artist.
Well done.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
So if global warming is a hoax, then Palin was easily fooled and bought into the Al Gore marxist plot.
Or if global warming is happening, then Palin was right to recognize it but was not courageous enough to enact any anti-carbon measures in her state, despite the melting glaciers, etc. Further, once public opinion turned against it, she flip flopped.
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I think asparagus would have a better time understanding the facts. She did set up a office to monitor the situation and one would assume to make any recommendations if necessary. That is all the Palin haters on this forum can come up with to show that she was pro-global warming. There is not one measure that she supported outside of the McCain campaign that was pro-global warming. This is so typical of this site. Someone steps in it and they immediately have to attack Palin with imagined charges. What idiocy.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
So Franklin…
You will admit, then, that Palin was a squishy milquetoast Vichy Republican when she let McCain push her around when it comes to global warming?
And you will admit that she set up a cabinet position dealing with global warming and signed on as an observer of the WCC?
June 8th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Above, Doug refers to a statement Palin gave to Secretary Salazar, from April 2009 (looooong after she was McCain’s Yes Woman). It is worth reading the whole thing, so I will link it here. But here’s a teaser quote from Sarah:
June 8th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Franklin,
“That is all the Palin haters on this forum can come up with to show that she was pro-global warming. There is not one measure that she supported outside of the McCain campaign that was pro-global warming.”
See #89.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
So at least as late as April 2009, I guess Palin was a RINO Marxist miluetoast moderate crony phony liberal squish.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
I just don’t get the line that Sarah Palin has more of a “core” or is any more “sincere” than Mitt Romney. Sure, based on superficial appearances some might be fooled by that (gun-toting, red-neck, hunter, “lives in state farthest from Washington”, etc).
These are all just superficial stereotypes of her. When one starts to sincerely dig into her record and her actions, they speak a lot louder than her “act”.
1. She spends an enormous amount of money on a campaign wardrobe.
2. She quits her Alaska job to write a book with which she makes a lot of money and runs around the country giving speeches.
3. She gets her daughter on “Dancing With the Stars” and puts her life into the tabloids.
4. She puts her family into their own reality TV show about Alaska.
5. She gets a nice lucrative gig on Fox News.
6. She buys a fancy house in Arizona.
7. She goes on an enormous Bus tour across America ditching the media and avoiding interviews and keeps her schedule quiet.
I mean, come on, does this sound like someone who is sincere about -really- fixing America? Or is this all about publicity stunts and cash?
Also, for all of the claims that the media has brought the attention to her, and she’s just a pure little lamb quietly minding her business is complete balogna. SARAH chose to publicize her daughter’s boyfriend troubles, SARAH chose to put her daughter on “Dancing With the Stars”, SARAH chose to put her family on a reality TV show, SARAH chose to take the Fox News job, SARAH has hardly lifted a finger to keep her private life PRIVATE.
And we’re somehow led to believe that this is all the “Lamestream Media’s” fault?
Compare this to Mitt Romney. He has been very quiet in the public since he dropped out in 2008. He led the way and raised a ton of money through fundraisers and his PAC for GOP midterm candidates. Guess what? He did all of this without throwing his personal life out for the whole world to see. He actually SOLD his houses and downsized his lifestyle.
Now you can make the charge that, “well Romney was rich to begin with, so he didn’t need any of that”. True, but would you rather have a candidate star-struck and motivated by riches, or a candidate who is working tirelessly without the driving temptation of fame and fortune?
I’d take the latter.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Franklin,
Boobie, Baby, Sweetheart, chill out, have a cream soda….
The issue not so much Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney or Johnny Jones believing in GW, as it is the likes of Rush and Co. making the issue toxic to even be associated with.
Obviously Palin, as Governor recognized that warming , man made or otherwise occuring and did something about it.
These days, you can’t even think it’s plausible and retain any kind of Conservative cred.
That’s why you are trying like hell to disassociate Palin fromher past positions and actions.
Too avoid “the Taint”
June 8th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Careful CF, I don’t think you are allowed to speak about the human shields, otherwise known as children.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
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There are plenty of things that the media did to make Sarah’s family an issue, but Sarah is hardly innocent in this. When you see your kids getting attacked from the left, you don’t put them on a TV show, and you don’t put them out there as targets so you gain sympathy from people.
If you want people to leave your family “off limits”, you ensure to send that message loud and clear.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
BREAKING
The guy who asked Romney the question (please note that Franklin – Romney was asked)called in the Rush limbaugh show to clarify the context of his question. Evidently, he didn’t like the way Rush set up the Romney bit the day before.
Here is a bit of the exchange, from the Rush web site:
Caller: Your response was that there was evidence even in the last year that established this whole premise of manmade global warming is a hoax.
RUSH: Right.
CALLER: “Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found wrong is vanishingly small. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities. And then I asked my question, so that’s the context of the question. Your response was that there was evidence even in the last year that established this whole premise of manmade global warming is a hoax.
RUSH: Right.
CALLER: I don’t know where you’re getting the hoax from, sir. I mean I’m looking at –
RUSH: It’s called the University of East Anglia in England and the Hadley Climate Center where they basically made it all up, pure and simple. It’s a hoax. There’s nothing true about it.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_060811/content/01125112.guest.html
June 8th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
That guy pwned Rush. Although, science doesn’t work with the talk radio guys. You gotta hit them where it hurts and bring Palin down by showing evidence of her hypocrisy. I wish someone would bring up the fact that Ronald Reagan and Paul Ryan both pushed Health Care mandates as well (FEDERAL, not State mandates, btw).
The call screeners only allow straw-men apologists though, they’re not going to let anyone on who could really take their beloved host down.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
By my calender, the election was over by April, 2009, when Palin said this, as Doug noted above:
“Many believe that in order to mitigate these long term and systematic changes it will require a national and global effort to decrease the release of human produced greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. However, simply waiting for low carbon emitting renewable capacity to be large enough will mean that it will be too late to meet the mitigation goals for reducing CO2 that will be required under most credible climate change models, including the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) modeled scenarios”
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There is nothing in this statement that says she supports any global warming measure. As a matter of fact this came from remarks Gov. Palin made at an April 14 Interior Department field hearing in Anchorage, Alaska. This was clearly taken out of context. She pushed for more drilling in that hearing. Here is the rest of her remark.
“Meeting these goals will require a dramatic increase, in the very near term, in preferred available fuels — including natural gas — that have a very low carbon footprint and that can be used within the existing energy infrastructure. These available fuels are required to supply the nation’s energy needs during the transition to green energy alternatives.”
It was actually a pitch for the drilling of natural gas. She has never advocated the position that renewable energy should replace fossil fuels. This shows a lack of journalistic integrity and this is nothing but a hit piece with a lack of credible sourcing.
Above, Doug refers to a statement Palin gave to Secretary Salazar, from April 2009 (looooong after she was McCain’s Yes Woman). It is worth reading the whole thing, so I will link it here. But here’s a teaser quote from Sarah:
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Here’s another teaser quote.
“Even with enhanced efforts of conservation, the amount of new energy needed for this country increases dramatically as our population grows and our economy expands. Environmental challenges from the existing fuel mix and from the many renewable energy alternatives, coupled with dependence on foreign oil and foreign natural gas, means that there is no way to achieve these goals in the next few decades without a dramatic increase in domestic natural gas and a strong effort to modestly increase domestic oil production. Keeping Alaska’s OCS lease sales, exploration, and development programs on schedule, especially in the Beaufort Sea and Chukchi Sea, is critically important to this effort. The resource numbers and the amount of energy needed in the next several decades speak for themselves.
In order to achieve these goals within the next twenty years, environmentally responsible energy production from the Alaska OCS and State, Federal and Native onshore lands will be necessary. Recent assessments by the Department of Interior show that within the United States, Alaska is second only to the entire Gulf of Mexico in petroleum potential (MMS, 2009). The world-class potential of Arctic Alaska was verified in the recently released Circum-Arctic Oil and Gas Assessment (CARA) by the USGS which highlighted that Arctic Alaska was second only to the West Siberian Basin in total Arctic petroleum potential and the highest Arctic potential for oil. The assessment estimates that Arctic Alaska’s mean technically recoverable resources of approximately 30 billion barrels of oil, 6 Billion barrels of natural gas liquids and 221 trillion cubic feet of conventional natural gas (USGS, 2008).”
Her testimony was largely based on oil and gas drilling and had nothing to do with global warming. She did acknowledge Obama’s policy on global warming but endorsed none of it. Again this article is based on journalistic fraud. Doug NYC GOP and Matt “MWS” ought to go work for the LSM. They love fraudulent anti-Palin pieces.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Yep. Palin’s done. I assumed she had this inborn common sense like most Americans who knew global warming was a scam the minute we were told to pony up more taxes or die a fiery death. But, I guess she is a flipper flopper like all the other candidates out there. Sigh. Nice knowing ya Sarah.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
That’s why you are trying like hell to disassociate Palin fromher past positions and actions.
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The only thing you have is what she said when she was on the ticket. One of your quotes is a outright fraud. Her position has been consistent.
The Daily News has more of what Romney said.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
That’s why you are trying like hell to disassociate Palin fromher past positions and actions.
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The only thing you have is what she said when she was on the ticket. One of your quotes is a outright fraud. Her position has been consistent.
The Daily News has more of what Romney said.
“I don’t speak for the scientific community, of course,” Romney said at a Town Hall-type meeting in New Hampshire. “But I believe the world’s getting warmer.”
Romney then added, “And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that.”
The Republican front-runner said he wanted to wean the U.S. off its dependence on foreign oil by seeking alternative sources of energy – something President Obama has also called for.
Romney did not call for more oil drilling in the U.S., as Sarah Palin and other Republicans have been doing. Instead, Romney said Americans should do more to conserve energy.
“I’m told that we use almost twice as much energy per person as does a European, and more like three times as much energy as does a Japanese citizen,” he said. “We can do a lot better.”
Romney wrapped up his remarks by calling for cooperation with other countries in combating global warming.
This is typical left wing garbage.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Oh no…
Bill Kristol (serial liar and resident RomNot) says Rudy is going to run:
http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2011/06/08/breaking-rudys-in/
Please be wrong Bill!
June 8th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Franklin,
“She did acknowledge Obama’s policy on global warming but endorsed none of it.”
Really???
So was she lying when- after she said “…confront the dangers of global warming”- the next words out of her mouth were “I completely concur with your statement and want to emphasize its importance”
Where I grew up, “completely concur” means “agree with all of it.” “It” in this case, included the need to “confront the dangers of global warming.”
June 8th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Not only that, she supported Cap and Trade in 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQNVDgImB4
June 8th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Doug,
Well, I think you’ve proven how toxic the Carny Barkers have made this issue. The Palindrones are in a lather trying to prove that Palin never saw it, touched it, thought it, felt it, or heard it.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Well, since Pawlenty, Romney, and Palin are all global warming dupes, I’ll take Romney since he is the most skilled of the three and highly professional in terms of resolving debt and balancing budgets, cutting waste, job creation etc. I’m sure eventually all of them will come around in terms of global warming but it is a disappointment nonetheless.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Palin supported cap and trade? I’m checking your link, that is just insane.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
So was she lying when- after she said “…confront the dangers of global warming”- the next words out of her mouth were “I completely concur with your statement and want to emphasize its importance”
Where I grew up, “completely concur” means “agree with all of it.” “It” in this case, included the need to “confront the dangers of global warming.”
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This is the typical crap that goes on in public meetings between public officials. We’re so polite even if we disagree. The fact is that her remarks were pro oil and natural gas drilling. That is inconsistent with being pro-global warming. You cannot take one line out and ignore the rest of her remarks. Apparently you were looking for something to validate your belief so you took that one statement and ignored the rest of it. Name one Obama initiative on global warming that she has supported.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Palindrones will ignore this fact just like they ignore the fact that Paul Revere was an American patriot, not a turncoat for the Brits.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
This is why this ultra-extreme party purity thing has become so dangerous. We are making the entire party look like pandering morons and it has become a Salem witch-hunt.
Everyone is out to find a quote or a policy or a vote or ANYTHING that would tie a candidate to the “EVIL ESTABLISHMENT, MWUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!” When your “purity” line starts to eat your own, it’s time to take a step back and say, “woah”, this has gone too far.
Ronald Reagan would be CRUCIFIED today by the right for his flip on Abortion, his “Hollywood” connections and his support for amnesty and Health Care mandates. I think Reagan, not Limbaugh, is a good standard to follow for the party as a whole – we should be very wary of candidates who stray too far to the left OR to the right of him.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
#101:
Franklin – Have a dreink, sit down, take a load off and read this.
It was written by a brilliant (and some ladies say devastingly charming) author that proves your comments at #101 were incomplete and inaccurate.
Pour a stiff one and absorb the words…..
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/03/romneys-high-octane-energy-policy.html
June 8th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
– Not just candidates, ANYONE who tries to push more purity than this should send up red flags (Tea Party freaks, and talk radio – I’m looking at you).
June 8th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
I think the believers in the religion of global warming should be tattooed so the rest of us can readily identify them and not vote them into positions of influence. Hee hee.
June 8th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
All true Americans are Tea Partiers. Duh.
June 8th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
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The vast majority of Tea Partiers are clear-headed, rationally thinking human beings. It’s the vocal minority that has taken it over that are leading it down the drain. Those are the ones we should stay away from.
The election should be primarily about who is best suited to #1: beat Obama, and #2: fix the economy. All the other issues are practically irrelevant.
June 8th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
It’s sad to see the Palinista’s not being able to say “hey, she was for something I am personally not, but that’s ok, because I’m with her 905 of the time.”
I don’t know if I agree with GW or not. If it’s real than we’ll discuss solutions when the time is right. if it’s not, as long as someone addresses the issue in a prudent and non-disruptive manner, I’m ok with it.
So I don’t agree with Mitt Romney 100% of the time. Does this mean I lose my ROMBOT status?
Palinista’s you call us robots, take a real good look at yourselves.
June 8th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
#115 – Does CF stand for Clearly Focused?
Well said and very true.
June 8th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I love it when talk radio hosts and bloggers play scientist. It is quite amusing. It isn’t very conducive to smart policy though.
June 8th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
One concern that people here are missing is the extent to which cows cause global warming. I want to know whether the candidates stand on the issue of cow-made global warming and what they intend to do about.
Just think about it–if technological advances could somehow harness the energy emitted by cows and convert it into fuel or something similar, it could go a long way toward eliminating our dependence on foreign oil.
June 8th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
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Good idea. Let’s attach tubes to the rectums of every cow in America.
THEN, the farmers can make more money selling methane!
LOL
June 8th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
Rush Limbaugh has lost all objectivity and his ‘bye-bye nomination’ comment about Romney is meaningless.
I listened to him today and it was stunning how he continues to defend Palin. He made the over-the top statement that if she gets in the race she will be the one to beat. Based on what, Rush? No polling data backs up your assertion and her negatives, as evidenced by yesterday’s ABC/Washington Post poll are prohibitively high. Right now there are several plausible nominees and she currently isn’t one of them. Limbaugh used to offer valuable perspective but he seemingly has lost it as it relates to 2012 and Sarah Palin.
In his unyielding defense of the former Governor of Alaska, Limbaugh spent the first segment of his show today trying to convince his listeners that Margaret Thatcher did not snub Palin in her request for a meeting with The Iron Lady and Thatcher’s handlers must be solely responsible for comments attributed to the former Prime Minister. Reportedly, Palin was characterized as being ‘nuts’ by a Thatcher spokesperson who said “Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts,”. Limbaugh claims to know Thatcher personally and is certain she does not believe Palin is nuts and would not have inferred such.
Limbaugh then admits to not having spoken to her in years and says her mental capacity (she’s 86) is now greatly diminished. From what I know of people in the later stages of life that suffer from diminished mental capacity is that they often say and do things that are uncharacteristic of the behaviors they exuded earlier in life. It is as if the filter is gone and they are prone to say anything. Thus, it is plausible that Thatcher may have made the comment and may share the sentiment that Palin is ‘nuts’.
Whether she did or didn’t isn’t really the point. The point is that for some unknown reason, Limbaugh continues to go to great lengths to defend and prop up Palin against all criticism. In today’s case, he made an assertion that someone highly regarded could not possibly have a negative opinion of Palin when he doesn’t really know the truth. He simply didn’t want it to be so and thus wasn’t being objective. When it comes to Palin, he never is. The fact that he says “bye-bye nomination” to Romney over the climate change issue is meaningless. Limbaugh has picked his candidate whether he admits it or not and his opinions on everyone else are biased by that pick.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Holy cow. Yet again I agree wholeheartedly with a Rombot.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Rush Limbaugh is a blow-hard and an embarassment to the GOP. I hope they never get him to speak at another event – it just makes us all look bad. Anybody reying on Rush to make an informed decision is foolish.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Adam X- although the world is warming is there any hard evidence that this is caused mainly by man’s activities? I understand it theoretically (anyone who has been in a car with it’s windows rolled up could understand this) but from a practical standpoint what is the evidence that it is man and not the sun’ activity/natural phenomena? Until the scientists can come up with evidence that that is fairly easy to understand, there will always be doubt among the public about this, or else we just have to take people’s word for it.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Frankie. Double digits ahead of the queen, and we’re nervous? LOL.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
The truth is that Palin has flip-flopped a ton to pander to voters. Has anyone ever thought differently? She wants to be all things to everyone in the GOP. Many of her opinions are uninformed, and she is constantly backtracking and retracting statements.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
And today speaking from his Ivory Tower Mark Levine continues where Limbaugh left off in their quest to take down the front runner with Romney bashing..After four days, I think it will take it’s toll on his poll numbers… This goes beyond the pale…The hypocrites are paving the way for Obama’s second term.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Here’s part of the reason Rush defends Palin.
Rush never graduated from college. He has a complex over it. No matter how successful he is or how much money he makes…somewhere in his brain there is a sort of insecurity. He doesn’t like that some of his golfing buddies (the ‘blue bloods’ to use his terminology) think of him as a successful business man – but they think of him as successful and doling out red meat to the base. They don’t think of him as an intellectual. He knows it and it bothers him. His money can’t buy respect.
Why else does he constantly harp about “being right 99 % of the time” or “I know these people like every inch of my blah blah blah body”.
Palin is persecuted as being less than scholarly. Everyone can judge for themselves whether the meme is justified. But Limbaugh sees it and relates to it. He sees Palin as being forced to take the same sort of attacks and feels a sort of kinship because of it. He also keeps referring to her as “a babe” – and that plays into the equation too. If she happened to be Steve Palin instead of Sarah – and she didn’t look the way she looked – some of that allure would disapper too.
Limbaugh and some in the GOP are just as eager to play affirmative action games as the Democrats.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
But make no mistake Rombots – tarring Palin over this isn’t going to endear anyone to Romney. All these folks still have an appetite for an anti-Romney. We’ll see if T-Paw is up to snuff, but if he isn’t, someone else will be.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
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Smartest thing you’ve ever said.
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The point in bashing Palin over global warming is to show hypocrisy and stop the critics about Romney RE: global warming. And you ought to be happy too since TPaw has been criticized on global warming.
June 8th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Rombots,
Sarah Palin always was,she still is and always will be the most staunch opponent of AlGore and Obama(and Romney)man made GW scam and hoax.
During campaign in 2008 she was obligated to defend some of the moronic
Juan “reach across the isle,my friends” McLame’s positions.
She never changed none of her staunch conservative stances,but she
couldn’t stress them as forcefully as she would.
Rombots,Sarah Palin is de facto The Leader of conservatives in America.
She will get the nomination with such ease,she will run away with it!!!
June 8th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Maybe it is because Limbaugh is a real conservative and cares about issues. The fact is that the same complaints made about Palin were the same ones made about Reagan. Reagan proved them all wrong.
The fact is that just because she created a office to monitor the situation does not mean that she believes in man-made global warming. There was not one concrete action that she took as governor to indicate she believes global warming was caused by man. Again the remarks cited by Doug NYC GOP are used out of context in a meeting where she was pushing drilling for oil and natural gas. This is clearly unethical and dishonest.
Name one concrete action that the Obama administration undertook on global warming that Palin supported. Name one action that she took as governor to directly combat so-called global warming.
Romney also said this,“I’m told that we use almost twice as much energy per person as does a European, and more like three times as much energy as does a Japanese citizen,” he said. “We can do a lot better.”
Where is a Palin quote like that? That is right out of the liberal playbook.
June 8th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
I don’t think Rush and Levine like any of the GOP candidates….Romney just happens to be the frontrunner. If Pawlenty was the front runner he would be the one who would be attacked..
They actually think that without their brand of conservatism and ideology America and the Constitution as we know it will cease to exist…..
June 8th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Franklin
Romney also said this,
“I’m told that we use almost twice as much energy per person as does a European, and more like three times as much energy as does a Japanese citizen,” he said.
“We can do a lot better.”
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There it is,Romney the Lib talking like tree hugging San Francisco
“far out” lefty lunatic.
June 8th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
I don’t think Limbaugh much cares for Romney although be did endorse him over McCain in the 11th hour of the 2008 primary.
I really think he wants Palin and he believes she’s the real deal who could make it all the way. The problem with Rush’s puritan thinking is that in 2010, like-minded folks got on the Tea Party bandwagon and pushed out moderate Republicans that could win in the Senate races in Delaware, Nevada, and Alaska and they put in place Christine O’Donnell, Sharon Angle, and Joe Miller thinking they were gonna save the world with these far-right thinkers. Trouble is, every one of them lost and with their losses, we lost our chance for the sweet victory we could’ve had by taking control of both the house and the Senate.
This same ‘all or nothing’ attitude is gonna give us four more years of Obama if the likes of Dick Armey, Limbaugh, Levine, FoxNews, etc. don’t back off. I can understand if they want to advocate for more hard-core candidates than Romney but to outright castigate him makes no sense at all. Right now he is only one that polls within striking distance of, or sometimes ahead of Obama. Palin, by contrast, often polls worse than the unknowns. We simply cannot win with that and even if we could, she is woefully unprepared to be President. Our country is at stake. We need someone who can win and then fix the mess we are in. Why Limbaugh et al can’t see that is beyond me.
June 8th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
So, Sarah Palin wants Cap and Trade, AND she wants to drill. Fine. But she now loses her status as the common sense conservative. She has lost her appeal for people like me.
Global Warming Fraud, aka “Climate Change” evolved from a scam where Americans would be told they must be taxed heavily on energy consumption and travel in order to avoid the next ice age. This was back in the 70′s. People were still too conservative and skeptical to buy into the scheme, thus making them insufficiently afraid to deliver up their freedoms and finances to a powerful, all-knowing, all-controlling central government. Some re-tooling went on in back rooms and the new model was Global Warming, now the folks would be told they will burn to death as the earth turns into a non-producing scorch ball. Now Hollywood was brought on board, boorish types like Al Gore and Michael Moore, and folks like Obama and GE CEO whatzisbucketImmelt positioned to get rich off the new “save the planet” industry. Scientists were willingly bought out and of course the UN was more than happy to push it since they are all about ending US sovereignty anyways. Now, the “science” morphs once again as a few honest scientists begin to note that the earth is actually in a cooling phase, so now Global Warming become “Climate Change.” Now Americans are taught that ANY weather at all is bad weather, and is caused by us driving to school, parks, grocery stores, using toilet paper, breathing, farting, ranching, etc. The solution is give up our privacy, freedom, and agree to be taxed for any movement or sign of life.
Barney the purple dinosaur could see through this deal if he were real. Why Sarah Palin and other pols don’t get it is beyond me. Tea Party people OVERWHELMINGLY get it. And must save the country from the get rich schemes of the progressive left across the world. In a nutshell, they want your money, and they want you to be their slaves and they are willing to lie, badger and threaten you until they get it.
June 8th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Look, Romney is the smartest of the bunch and really has the skills and desire to fix our books and handle the national debt. Let’s use him for it. Get him in, so that we’re economically stable again. Then we move on from there. But puh-leeze, no one experimental this round. No personality cults. Let’s go for the best possible outcome with Romney, who will get us away from the cliff and down off this economic precipice. Then we can start to goof around again or whatever Americans like to do. We can vote in Paris Hilton for president or whatever small minds did to us in the last election.
June 8th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Oh yeah and Palin’s plan is to drive to Canada for health care. Sweet lady but a little thin on ideas. Drill baby drill is a great concept.
June 8th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Get in the race, Palin. Let’s get the Global Warming discussion out in the open. Let’s hear your healthcare plan. The energy policy is good. What else can she do?
June 8th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
If Palin starts a clothing line I’d look into it. If it’s budget. Trump has a clothing line. And the neckties are fabulous.
June 8th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Franklin,
“The fact is that just because she created a office to monitor the situation does not mean that she believes in man-made global warming.”
No, the fact that she said she believes in man-made global warming means that she believes in man-made global warming.
Unless she was lying, I guess.
June 8th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Franklin,
“Name one concrete action that the Obama administration undertook on global warming that Palin supported. Name one action that she took as governor to directly combat so-called global warming.”
So you’re saying Palin’s all talk, and no action?
That doesn’t fit with most of her animal metaphors.
June 8th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Liz,Ellie,rightgal or whatever the hell is your latest name,
You are overdue to attack Palin children.
What’s up?Afraid to get banned?
C’mon,go ahead,be yourself!
June 8th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Matt,
How are the cornfields in Central Illinois?
I hope the weather is good,there is enough rain,what else?
June 8th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Liz #138,
Good point. Now is not the time for more experimentation.
We took a gamble with Obama, an inexperienced junior Senator who voted present much of the time yet managed to captivate a nation. His rhetoric about Hope and Change and the narrative of his life – that improbable journey from Kansas and Kenya were all to appealing to a country still tinged with guilt over slavery and civil rights. Somehow we thought we could heal all those wounds and start again just by electing this man to the highest office in the land.
Unfortunately for America, we are in the midst of a great crisis and this is not the time for symbolic change. This is the time for proven leadership. We have a President that looks upon the crisis we face as does a deer peering into oncoming headlights. His economic team has quit leaving us still yearning for the better days they promised. We are currently left with the wisdom of our President alone who hasn’t managed to submit a budget or any significant economic proposals since taking charge. It is increasingly clear to the populace that our nation is led by a man whose abilities don’t extend far beyond the masterful delivery of those poetic speeches that swept up a nation and incited the haunting chants of ‘yes, we can’.
Americans are waking up to the mistake they have made and in 2012 they won’t be looking for flash, they won’t be looking to make another statement. We need simple competence and a solid leader who possesses real intellect and a proven ability to turn things around. With that, and the divine hand of Providence, we might be able to save this last, best hope for man on earth.
How can anyone fail to see the seriousness of this election? How can they be willing to experiment with another novelty candidate who merely passes a purity test but whose resume’ is as thin as our current leader’s? How especially can those radio voices we look to for wisdom fail to see that?
June 9th, 2011 at 12:47 am
I’ll tell you, Rick Perry is looking sweeter as VP with his call for a prayer day to ask God to fix the mess we are in as a nation. The guy has guts. I’m all for some piety and repentance, what other governors will jump aboard to ask God to deliver us from the plague that is Obama?
July 30th, 2011 at 2:22 am
Her flip flop on global warming is like her flip flop on whether or not hate speech should be banned. She was against until a State banned hate speech at funerals. The Supreme Court over ruled the State and Palin blasted the decision. This happened recently.
November 13th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
I’m only good at easy. But I will have to start learning medium. Hard and Expert are insane.