Why has Romney dropped so much in the polls? I presented my opinion this morning, but unfortunately some people took offense – which was never my intention. One member shamelessly used the thread to bash Romney’s religion, a subject we are not to discuss here.
Having said that, I am now going to present five different theories that I have heard about why Romney’s numbers have collapsed, together with the arguments for and against those theories. Feel free to add any arguments, theories etc by commenting on this post.
Romneycare
The theory: With the passage of Obamacare, Romney’s own health care reform became a hot topic and this has distracted people from viewing Romney as a successful businessman and instead they now see him as a Massachusetts liberal in Republican clothing.
For: Romney made a health care reform with some similarities to Obamacare, a reform which Republicans are decidedly against. Obviously, being associated with a reform like that can’t be good for your numbers.
Against: No-one is arguing Romneycare isn’t hurting Romney somewhat, but it hasn’t gotten that much attention at the end of the day; in the political sphere it is certainly hotly debated, but how many “Joe sixpacks” actually know about this reform? Also, even to Republicans, Romney has never been the “Mr Health care guy” (is there any such candidate?), he has always been an economy guy, and so a health care reform shouldn’t hurt his image very much. He has never supported a federal health care reform, and even if he had done that and then changed his mind, his support should still have been stable – surely his supporters must know already that Romney’s beliefs are… constantly developing.
Intentional strategy
The theory: Romney is staying out of the spotlight intentionally, because he fears overexposing himself. He doesn’t want voters to get tired of him.
For: Romney has turned down several interviews, showing that he does intentionally try not to be on TV all the time. He has seen Palin overexpose herself without moving her favorability ratings one bit, and also seen Huckabee effectively promote himself every Saturday on Fox News without being able to pull away from the pack. He can never be as exposed as they are, so why not try to lay low and stage a comeback when people starts to pay attention.
Against: While Romney is definitely trying to lay low, this isn’t because he’s afraid of overexposure. It’s because every time he goes to an interview, he is asked about his health care reform. Also, is he laying low out of choice, or because he isn’t good at attracting media interest (except when he tries to reform health care)? “Laying low”, may be kind of like “strategic retreat” – yes, they do happen, but many times they are just another way of saying “panicking and running to the woods”. Why would he want bad polling numbers in the beginning of the primary season? That ought to tempt other candidates to jump into the race thinking they have a chance now that Romney has seemingly collapsed. In particular, it might tempt potential candidates like Mitch Daniels and Rudy Giuiliani to step in and fill the role as the moderate in the race. If they do, things will be more difficult for Romney than they had had to be.
It’s Gingrich, stupid
The theory: Romney has lost support in polls because Gingrich has been added to them; he never really had those extra %, they were really Gingrich supporters who said they picked him because Gingrich wasn’t offered as a choice.
For: Statistically, there appears to be some correlation. Gingrich was added to the polls in May 2010, right after Romney’s peak. Gingrich is an establishment Republican and has a good reputation when it comes to the economy – kind of like Romney.
Against: Polls have shown that Gingrich supporters have Huckabee as their second choice, not Romney (the last poll had Huckabee receiving 31 % of the second choice votes from Gingrich supporters, compared to 19 % for Romney). We should note though that this is on a national level; it is possible that Gingrich steals social conservatives from Huckabee in the south at the same time as he is stealing moderates from Romney in California – he is perceived differently by different individuals, and in his home state of Georgia he is definitely hurting Huckabee more, being the favorite son.
Conspiracy
The theory: Public Policy Polling have deliberately made up their numbers or manipulated their method in some way to make Romney drop.
For: PPP is showing a much larger drop in support for Romney than any other polling firm. It is a democratic polling firm and fears that Romney would be strong against Obama.
Against: If it is trying to sink Romney, why does it so often show that Romney is competitive against Obama? Nothing could discourage Romney more than knowing that even if he were to win the nomination, he wouldn’t be able to beat Obama. So why does PPP keep showing that he has a decent chance? If the purpose of the conspiracy is to convince Romney to stay out of the race, it’s an utter failure. Also, why does PPP always show Palin with such bad numbers? Shouldn’t they be promoting her, considering that every pollster in the country shows that she is the worst candidate against Obama? And why were PPP so accurate in 2008? And why did they show Romney leading in the spring/summer of 2010?
No longer Mr Frontrunner
The theory: Originally after the 2008 election, people took for granted the party would nominate Romney in the next cycle. People supported him because they thought everyone else did (“unite around our candidate” kind of stuff). The perception of Romney as THE frontrunner kept his numbers inflated for a long time, but like all bubbles, it was bound to burst.
For: Romney was seen as the Republican’s only hope when Obamania was still around; surely the party couldn’t be so stupid as to nominate a conservative candidate in the following election? Many Republicans bought this and supported Romney not because of who he is, but because he was their only chance. As Obama has become weaker, confidence has grown and Republicans no longer think they have to settle for Romney. Romney has a lot of good friends in the media like Sean Hannity who kept calling him the frontrunner in the race while hardly ever mentioning someone like Huckabee.
Against: Are Republican primary voters really that strategic? Do they only vote for the person they think can win, even in opinion polls? To decide in the last second before actually voting that you are going to vote for someone you think can win so that you’re vote isn’t “wasted” is one thing, but why wouldn’t people be open about how they really feel about a candidate when answering a robocall? Also in maybe the first poll done after the 2008 election, Palin received 64 %, probably because of her name being in every paper – at the time, McCain’s earlier primary opponents were more or less forgotten (though that would soon change), proving again how important it is to be in the spotlight and create headlines if you want good results in the polls.
Please give me your opinion on what has happened – and please stay away from unserious comments and religion bashing.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
As soon as i saw the title I knew exactly who wrote it.
You are on a roll…
March 4th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Seem to omit an important theory:
In 2007, Gov. Romney came across, especially on TV, as inauthentic. I am not sure why this was so… probably a combination of the hair, the way he carried himself, the funny way he smiles (smirkes?) when he speaks… It was a real problem, and perhaps his most serious problem as a candidate. Unless he has remedied this, and I don’t think he can because it is endemic to being Mitt Romney, he doesn’t stand a chance.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
I don’t think its “intentional” that he is not way out in front – but I do believe Romney has suffered from not being in the spotlight as much.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
I think its a combination of Gringrich and the health care debate. More Gringrich though.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
I think it is establishment fatigue. I think a lot of people were familiar with him, and thought he would be the consensus choice…and so they softly supported him early on. I also think that he was the hot guy from 08′ and people like that…they like having the next guy…because it establishes him as being above the others. But people are tired of his type of republicanism. He is a doer…even when the doing is bad. I think that as a republican, we should take a more hands off approach to government. Eliminate spending…don’t interfere with the private sector, cut taxes….end abortion, protect the 2nd amendment. Romney isn’t that guy. People are getting tired of defending his positions. His support has ALWAYS been soft. Maybe he can gain back that support as the race goes on…and people drop out. But personally, i think he is going to have a harder time than we all thought. I thought he was going to just destroy everyone…and now i see that he is much weaker than previously thought.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
It amazes me that nobody caught the satire on your hit piece this morning. The lack of seriousness by the original author lead many who responded to also lack any sense of seriousness. The comments were a joke and I got many a good laughs out of the commentary.
Oh yeah. Mitt has simply discovered his floor. He has remained out of the spotlight for months. Even during the 2010 campaigns he let the candidates take the lead instead of trying to steal the spotlight for himself. He did more behind the scenes work than anyone else. All his opponents have been hounding on Healthcare for a long time and Gov Romney really hasn’t taken the time to combat those attacks, yet.
Once he is ready to run he’ll have his responses ready and all the facts to back him up. When he rolls out his endorsements and all of his surrogates begin taking on the lies against MassCare his numbers will move back up as there are plenty of folks who are truly undecided.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Welby, I had to rewrite it, simple as that. So I took a more general, objective approach this time. Hope I didn’t hurt anyone’s feelings this time.
Oklahoma cougar, the question was more like “What has happened that has caused Romney to drop from low-to-mid 30′s in march 2010 to the teens today?”. I don’t support Romney and think he has been inauthentic all along
But that doesn’t explain the drop.
Matthew, agree. Although, if he were in the spotlight – what kind of spotlight would that be? He still has a hard time with the health care questions.
Galt, I never meant to suggest only one theory has to be correct. I personally think the first and fifth theories are the ones that best describe his collapse.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Water-
How is “ending abortion” a hands off approach to government?
March 4th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
“He still has a hard time with the health care questions.”
If he doesn’t define it – correctly – someone else will – incorrectly.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Without going into the details, a superb respectfully neutral analysis. Awesome!
March 4th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Water, that’s pretty much what I meant by the fifth theory.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
“Collapsed”? “Sagged”, maybe. Perhaps even “slumped”. But “collapsed”?
Well, if you follow this link, you will see where Huckabee’s Virginia’s support has almost totally collapsed, and Romney has rocketed from fourth place to second. Meanwhile Palin has plummeted from second place to being tied with third.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
John,
Perhaps exposure of his religion could affect his poll ratings. It probably deserves some attention, is there anyone in the US that isn’t aware that Romney is a Mormon. Is the Mormon issue still hurting him this time around.
I don’t think it has anything to do with the rise and fall of his current rating in the polls.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
I don’t think it’s any of the above. The latest poll (NBC) shows Huckabee zooming ahead with Romney and Ginrich also gaining ground. I think people like Huckabee a little more because he is in the limelight right now, is a likeable guy and not so much because of anything Romney has done or not done. I would predict that Huckabee’s “gaffes” would make him even more likeable to the base, but we’ll see in the coming weeks. I think Huckabee is likely to throw his support beind Pawlenty. If Pawlenty can’t compete with Romney, Huckabee will get in the race.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
The glaring problem with this post is that it assumes a Romney “collapse”. I know, this is a KnownFact among Huck supporters, but the numbers simply don’t bear this out.
Let’s go back all the way to February of last year, shall we? In that time, national poll numbers have consistently shown Romney holding between 15-25% support. He was as low as 9% back in April 2010. He was as high as 29-30% in a couple Clarus polls. Take those outliers out, and his current average of 19% demonstrates absolutely zero “collapse” by Romney in the past year.
The only polling outfit to show any sort of “collapse” is the wildly erratic Democratic Kos/PPP polls that show candidates gaining and losing support in such large chunks every month that I’m still amazed anyone lends them any credence.
But you Huck guys and gals just keep believing the narrative that Romney is losing support. We’ll see how far that gets you once reality sets in.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
I don’t know why I bothered to read this one either. Same crap as you wrote this morning. Still Snarky, just changed the headline.
I’d like to see one of these for all the candidates, but you know Romney is gonna win this thing so you’re just doing your huckanut part to try to stop it.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
POLLTRACKER National » US-Favorability ..as of Today…
Huckabee … 39.0% / 29.6% … +9.4
Obama …….. 49.9% / 41.1% … +8.8
Romney …. 33.2% / 32.6% … +0.6
Palin …….. 30.5% / 55.2% -24.7
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Oh, by the way…I just noticed back In January it was so much better for our two ‘trailers’:
POLLTRACKER National » US-Favorability ..as of 1/18/11
Romney …. 38.0% / 29.3% … +8.7%
Palin …….. 35.4% / 52.4% -17.0%
So Mitt Romney(Care)’s net favorables dropped like a stone from +8.7 in Jan to +0.6 today. I guess the RomneyCare/ObamaCare comparisons from the like of Pawlenty, Santorum, Rove, Huckabee, Fox News, and Paul Ryan, etc. etc. etc. are taking their toll on poor Romney’s signature mandated health plan and thus his numbers overall. Don’t be so shy, Mitt! Stick up for your mandates!
And Sarah(cuda) Palin’s net favs dropped another whopping 7.7 points in just seven weeks.. ~1 pt per week! Can it possibly even get any worse? Hmmmm… (A) You betcha!
March 4th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
ray b,
Ending abortion is constitutional. Life is protected by our founding documents. We have ignored that…and need to protect it.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Deg, thanks for the compliment. I think that the mormon issue is overplayed by Romney fans and used as an excuse for his slump, collapse, drop or whatever you want to call it. He is not more mormon today than he was in March 2010, and nothing has happened that would cause people to become more hostile towards mormonism. In general, being a mormon won’t hurt Romney more than being a baptist will hurt Huckabee – there are always people who will be against you for irrational reasons, that goes for all candidates.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
#15 – Headlines are only attention grabbers which hardly holds any truth on its own.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Ray,
You must be a fun person to be around in real life
Relax a little and go with the flow. You’re gonna burn out 10 months before Iowa caucus night if you don’t let Race42012 soothe your soul, my friend.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Ray, if Huckabee’s support collapses, I promise you I’ll write a similar post about it. Right now, what other candidate is there to write such a post about? What are you suggesting I should analys? I’m always open to new ideas.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
John in #7. Poll movements this early (the campaigning has even started) are unreliable. Trying to figure out cause and effect seems a little futile to me.
In 2007, the early lead in IA was Rudy. Then Romney came in and carpet bombed the state with Ads. He built a huge lead in April and May, he tried to gain the aura of inevitability. But he did have the $ to keep it up. The field turned their sights on him and ate him up. But he did maintain the lead until Huckabee emerged from the pack in November-December.
moral: the campaigning really does matter… Rudy finished with just 3.4% after polling above 25 early. Also note: McCain maintained his lead in the national polls the entire time except for a couple of week right around the IA caucus.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
http://www.intrade.com/index.jsp?request_operation=trade&request_type=action&selConID=652757
Intrade rates Romney relatively high!
2012.REP.NOM.ROMNEY 2 24.9 25.2 2 25.2 11.2k 0
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.DANIELS 6 9.7 11.3 1 9.8 9413 -0.3
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.PAWLENTY 6 12.2 12.8 6 12.2 10.3k -0.1
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.HUCKABEE 4 8.7 8.8 2 8.8 10.0k +0.5
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.PALIN 1 6.5 6.7 10 6.5 44.8k 0
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.GINGRICH 5 5.7 6.2 3 5.8 9899 -0.6
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.HUNTSMAN 106 4.2 4.3 30 4.3 7149 0
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.BARBOUR 25 3.1 3.2 19 3.1 10.6k -0.1
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.BACHMANN 52 3.9 4.1 4 4.1 10.4k 0
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.TRUMP 25 2.1 2.5 14 2.4 11.6k +0.3
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.CHRISTIE 30 2.9 3.1 45 2.9 9711 -0.1
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.GIULIANI 100 0.7 1.0 17 0.9 9733 0
Trade 2012.REP.NOM.PAUL(RON) 10 1.8 1.9 20 1.9 9652 +0.2
March 4th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
19. Huckabee’s a Baptist!!!????
This Lutheran is now done with him!!!
I knew he acted funny.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
March 4th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I think Rudy at the time had the “inevitability” aura; no way 25 % of Iowans really supported that guy. They’re too conservative for him. Just like Romney had that aura about a year ago, but doesn’t have it now.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Craig-
I just really can’t stand huckster’s supporters. I can stomach everyone else just not huckanuts. I have more fun writing nonsense on here than anything else. I just make my comments for the ratings.
BTW – I didn’t burn out in 2008 so I doubt I will this time since the whole thing is starting later.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
To follow up on #15 — In January, Romney was at 18 in a CNN poll. Now, he is at… 18. (COLLAPSE!)
The last Rasmussen poll of 2010 showed Romney with 20%. Now, he is at… 24%. (COLLAPSE!)
ABC/WP showed him at 9% in their second to last poll. In their most recent poll, Romney is at 17%. (COLLAPSE!)
Two NBC/WSJ polls ago, Romney was at 19%. Now, they have him at… 21%. (COLLAPSE!)
But, I guess it’s better to believe the Dem/Kos narrative than the actual numbers.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
When was Romney ever “inevitable?” I mean beginning of last year we were talking about Senate seats and House seats not the President come 2013.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
I thought Palin was #2 at InTrade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyDjkPO8l0
March 4th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Matt-
Don’t bother John with actual poll numbers. In Huckaland all that matters is PPP and their narrative against Romney.
I’m about ready to start talking about religion, dead family pets, and cop-killers, but I won’t because that wouldn’t be right but if I did, here’s what I would say …..
March 4th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
#29 – Matt does have a point. Look at the Intrade graphs here. Last cycle Intrade proved to be very reliable, maybe I should put some money into this.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
http://data.intrade.com/graphing/jsp/closingPricesForm.jsp?contractId=652757&tradeURL=https://www.intrade.com
Whoops for got to post the link. Intrade graphs.
March 4th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
I wish there was an edit button on this site. I always let typos come through. Sigh!
March 4th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Don’t these guys know Romney has collapsed?
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=John+DiStaso%27s+Primary+Status%3a+Romney+gets+two+major+endorsements+on+eve+of+return+to+NH&articleId=d441b4da-ccea-4db7-9174-40eacb0aed2e
March 4th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
I have to say that I appreciate the dual sided view on each subject matter. I think you are correct about the religion. It doesn’t play a part in any differing in his numbers – but it may play a part in his inability to get those numbers to rise – specifically in the south and mid-west.
It is going to be an interesting season for sure.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Just switch Romney for McCain. Dumb article.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
I have a tirade I want to go on right now but I respect Kavon too much to do that to his site.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
asparagus, why do you think Romney will be able to stage a Mccain-like comeback? It’s an unusual thing you know.
Ray, from your posts, I take it you go with theory #4.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
As I see it, Romney approaches a presidential campaign sort of the same way he would approach a prospective corporate merger. That is, what do I have to say, what do I have to offer to get the board of directors (of the company I want to acquire) to say “yes.” I always thought this was his fundamental weakness last time (remember the view graphs?) as I found myself wondering what does he really believe and how deep are his convictions.
I watched his address to CPAC this year. Nicely delivered, smooth, etc., but he didn’t give much grist for the mill. From a policy perspective he was less specific than four years ago, and for a guy who has already been around the block that was surprising to me. I was expecting some substantive proposed policy initiatives, especially pertaining to the economy. After all, he’s had four years in the wilderness to think about this kind of stuff, but I heard mostly lofty generalities combined with the perfunctory partisan speak and critique of Obama.
Last time around, Romney (and all the other candidates with the possible exception of Huckabee) appeared to be trying too hard to appeal to and run on/with the Bush coalition and essentially mimic the Bush 2000 effort. But this seemed especially so with Romney. Problem was, much had changed by 2007 and the Rove strategy al la Bush was a lot less effective, yet the Romney campaign seemed to not recognize this. Fast forward to this year, and again, I get the impression that he is again a little bit behind the 8-ball and does not really have a good sense of where the electorate is and what people are really thinking. This point may very well be the most salient. I just don’t think he connects with the rank and file very well in that innate way that successful presidents tend to to (Reagan and Clinton being the most recent examples).
So, my thinking is that the problem is not “Romneycare” or anything issue specific—I think it’s more intangible. He’s an acceptable candidate, but maybe not as fundamentally strong as some would hope.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Whenever I hear people say Romney can’t win, I ask “Who is going to beat him?” I never get a good answer. Pawlenty? Palin? Huck? Hunstman? Barbour? There’s a reason Mitt is the one getting beat up: he’s the 300 lb gorilla in the room and everyone knows it. So good luck with your hit pieces. It won’t work. Your average voter isn’t reading this trash. They tune in the night before the election and say who am I most comfortable with. It will be Romney. Take it to the bank.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Polltracker is not the only company that tracks the numerous polling each week and/or month.
There’s also POLLSTER.COM which should be somewhat similar if they’re tracking ALL of ‘em like Polltracker does…
POLLSTER.COM FAVORABILITY ..as of Today
Huckabee … 38.4% / 29.3% … +9.1
Obama ..….. 50.3% / 43.3% … +10.0
Romney …. 34.3% / 33.3% … +1.0
Palin …….. 32.0% / 55.3% -23.3
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/03/fav-huckabee_n_725761.html
POLLSTER.COM FAVORABILITY ..back on 1/18/11
Romney …. 34.0% / 31.0% … +3.0%
Palin ……. 35.0% / 52.8% -17.8%
March 4th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
John, no response to the actual poll numbers? Where is this collapse, outside of PPP/Kos-land?
March 4th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
#38–agreed, John Mitt will never totally collapse because he’ll always be favored in New Hampshire. This time around, he’s going to open his checkbook big time because he’ll think with NH/NV he can go into the later primaries in pretty good strength.
#42–The one thing I’d say is whether Daniels runs and really catches on in NH. Or Pawlenty wins IA and goes into NH with a lot of strength.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I am curious why all this attention is being paid to somebody who is supposedly no longer the frontrunner. Shouldn’t we be focusing on whoever Karl Rove has chosen for us? Oh, that’s right, they still haven’t found anybody yet to challenge Mitt. If Mitt has so much opposition, why is he still being called the “establishment” candidate? We should be calling him a “maverick” or an “outsider”, as much opposition as he is getting now.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
In 2009, Romney was the most likely Republican to get nominated in 2012.
In 2010, Romney was the most likely Republican to get nominated in 2012.
In 2011, Romney is STILL the most likely Republican to get nominated in 2012.
It has NEVER been written in stone anywhere that he WILL be the Republican Presidential nominee in 2012, but he has been the most likely to be such ever since McCain lost in 2008.
Wake me if that ever changes.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Some great points there, Chris.
Especially THESE, of course..
March 4th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
I just saw a Buddy Roemer ad at the top of Drudge.
…in case anyone’s interested……
March 4th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
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March 4th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
ray,
You know what you could do…you could boycott any anti-romney post. I mean, that would show us who’s boss. No, seriously i understand what you are saying….i feel the same way about romney supporters IN GENERAL. Obviously not all supporters of a candidate are nutjobs like some of us.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
John,
#’s 2 & 3 actually. If I believe in conspiracies I would be a Ron Paul supporter.
Water,
Why would I boycott the only posts that actually get commented on?
March 4th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
I think it’s the perception (whether fair or not) that Romney tends to the superficial… that he’s a CEO in GOP clothing. Pro business, sure, but a political pragmatist. That, and the fact that he tends to explain himself poorly doesn’t help matters much.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
I have made it pretty clear I think the focus on all these polls now is premature, as the race hasn’t started yet.
I posted this in the other thread…but I always seem to get left behind as you guys move to these new threads faster than I can realize they’re up.
This is a point you should all remember:
Palin’s numbers have dropped and many don’t think she is even going to run. The minute she announces she vaults back to at least where she was before Tuscon.
It will be an event unprecedented in Presidential politics.
She instantly sucks the oxygen out of every other campaign.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Its not just the early states that favor Mitt, its exactly the opposite. It is the likelihood of a protracted primary that benefits Romney and his deep pockets. If it comes down to Mitt vs. Huck, Huckabee will be at a huge disadvantage simply becuase of money. Huck won’t be able to play in the big markets like Mitt will. Also, I don’t see how Neewt survives the early contests. As for the 2nd tier candidates, it takes a lot of $$$ to move up to 1st tier. That’s why Thune isn’t running and its why Daniels will not run as well. The longer the race, the better Mitt looks. After all, how long can we talk about health care? I’m already tired of it.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
I was just thinking……. if Mitt fails again this election he will have a lifetime win/loss record of 1-3.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Cmon JohnG,
They’re picking on the Reverend again on RS. Your unbiased assessment is needed to straighten out these unforgiving creatures.
Just look at the hatred they’re spewing:
Does Huck Think You’re This Stupid?
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/03/does-huck-think-youre-this-stupid.html
Charlie M
March 4th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Asparagus-
They have to call him the “Establishment” candidate because that is what gets the “Grassroots” fired up against him.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
It’s gonna be tough no matter who we nominate, folks..
NBC News/Wall Street 2/24 – 2/28 Obama +9
Newsweek/Daily Beast 2/12 – 2/15 Obama +2
Publc Policy Polling 2/11 – 2/14 Obama +5
FOX Newsssssssssssssss 2/7 – 2/9 Obama +7
PublicPolicyPolling 1/14 – 1/16 Obama +5
Democracy Corps 1/9 – 1/12 Obama +2
McClatchy/Marist 1/6 – 1/10 Obama +13
Rasmussen Reports 1/3 – 1/6 Romney +2
NBC News/Wall Street 12/9 – 12/13 Obama +7
McClatchy/Marist 12/2 – 12/8 Romney +2
Public Policy Polling 11/19 – 11/21 Obama +1
Quinnipiac 11/8 – 11/15 Romney +1
CNN/Op Res 10/27 – 10/30 Romney +5
March 4th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
asparagus,
“As for the 2nd tier candidates, it takes a lot of $$$ to move up to 1st tier. ”
Not always. It cost Romney a ton, for sure, but Huck ’08 moved up on a shoestring. But yes, generally that’s true. That’s why it’s important that TPaw had a very impressive haul last year for his PAC.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Just read page 183 of huck’s new book and that will clear everything up.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Romney doesn’t have to worry, at the rate Huck’s going his moronic statements will bury him before the end of the month.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
huck did grow up in Kenya after all.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Matt “MWS” –
Does it come with a weighted scale due to the location in which he was trying to get elected as a republican? Especially when those are against huggable and lovable Teddy.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
#41 – Chris L.
“I was expecting some substantive proposed policy initiatives, especially pertaining to the economy. After all, he’s had four years in the wilderness to think about this kind of stuff, ”
He has written a book full of this stuff. You may want to try reading it.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
That’s true, Huck moved up to 1st tier and still lost. Romney got closer though. Huck never had a shot outside the South. But this time if the primary does get drawn out, it will favor the well financed.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
I thought the 1,033 criminals Huckabee pardoned grew up in Kenya.
March 4th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
No, it was the criminals that flip flopped on cap and trade. Page 183 clears that up.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Looks like the huck camp is pleading no contest on the page 183 mishap.
http://www.rightspeak.net
March 4th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
You are like Bahgdad Bob and Colonel Gadaffi rolled into one if you think Romney is tanking!
Romney is winning in case you missed it – which clearly you did.
And please don’t claim Huck is after his horror week.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
You guys need to leave page 183 out of it. Why you even bothered to look it up is beyond me. He said it was there so you should have just taken him at his word. Why would you ever doubt the most moral, honest, politician to ever walk the earth?
March 4th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
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Page 183:
http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/03/infamous-page-183.html
March 4th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Your correct Ray, Huck’s ethics are just soooooo perfect.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Facts are stubborn. Mike kicks mitt’s butt up and down the MIDWEST. And even beats him nicely while trending terrifically in PA, Florida, and Texas, too. Yes, Pennsylvania!
Huck will raise what he needs to win Florida, if he wins IA & SC… And Huck doesn’t need much to win BOTH as we all know (and btw, even dreaming Rombots know this).
And ‘forget about NH’ should be Mike’s motto in ’12. Hat Tip to Waterseeds.
Then after his Florida triumph – money will flow in for Super Tuesday from every opponent of RomneyCare/ObamaCare’s big government mandates, massive subsidies, and overpaid bureaucrat-run exchanges.
Except from Max who will immediately run to the bank and max out his Rom-donation the day after Florida but to no avail as Huck indeed has a super Super Tuesday…
March 4th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Looks like chuck’s best friend in 08 (the media) will tear him to shreds this time. Was chuck even fully vetted in 08?
March 4th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Craig-
Max is not a Romney supporter. He has said this multiple times. He is just a Huckabee realist.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Chris Matthew and the other hosts today have spent their hour shows on MSNBC attacking Huck all day.
What a bunch of goofballs just like their heroes, Olbermann and the Kos kids..
Bring it, liberals and Obamanuts!
March 4th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Man – where is an emoticon showing two children slap fighting with eachother. Why is it that Huckabee and Romney and their individual supporters seem to be entirely targeted on undercutting and irritating each other at every turn. This isn’t just because of their position. This has been going on since early in the last primary round. It is irritating to a fault.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
chuck is toast! Kenyan toast.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Everyone on this site knows I’m a Huckabee supporter – not a Romney supporter. But, as I pointed out this morning – Romney has not been slipping or collapsing in the polls. Polls go up and polls go down. Some pollsters poll differently than others. Different people answer phones. Romney’s variations aren’t much different than anyone else’s. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html#polls
Romney has been polling well lately in the state by state polls. North Carolina has been polled pretty much every month by the PPP polling company based in their state. Romney had 10% there in Nov., 18% in Dec., 11% in Jan., and back up to 18% in March. Does that really look like a “collapse”? Huckabee won NC in 3 of the 4 polls – but even his results jump around. Nov. 28%, Dec. 18%, Jan. 27%, and March 24%.
All 4 of the top tier candidates have things they have to overcome to win the nomination. Some of the 2nd tier candidates are picking up a little steam. Even with the late start we are going to have a long primary season because there is no clear frontrunner. None of them have been knocked out and none of them should sit out if they want to run.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
#78,
It’s only irritating to the side who’s losing the argument.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
#81 – and then the ball keeps on rolling based on that mind set. Oi vey!
March 4th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Kenya Oi vey!
March 4th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Perhaps the biggest theory is that Romney has not collapsed, that he has traded the lead with Huckabee back and forth for the last two years, that Palin is the only one to suffer serious decline relative to the other candidates, and that Gingrich has polled erratically – occasionally to Romney’s detriment.
this is one area where we can TGFW – thank God for Wiki…I just plugged the list of primary polls into excel, and what I just typed above is exactly what it shows.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Hat Tip to the indefatigable Granny T while we wait on the next soon to be released BRAND NEW numbers from Wisconsin and Missouri any minute now…
We now have 34 states that have been polled since the midterms. So far:
Palin has won 1st place in 7 states – broken up by Region: 0 Southern states, 3 Midwestern states (OH, WI, SD), 3 Western states (WA, MT, NM), and 1 Northeastern state (ME)
Romney has won 1st place in 10 states plus tied for 1st in 1 – broken up by Region: 0 Southern states, 1 Midwestern state (MI), 5 Western states (CA, CO, NV, AZ, UT), and 4 Northeastern states plus tied in 1 (CT, MA, NH, RI tied in NJ)
Huckabee has won 1st place in 15 states plus tied for 1st in 1 – broken up by Region: 9 Southern states (SC, KY, VA, FL, TX, NC, WV, GA, TN), 4 Midwestern states (IL, MO, IA, NE), 1 Western state (AK), and 1 Northeastern state plus tied in 1 (PA, tied in NJ)
I’ll go out on a limb here and say Huck also wins both upcoming polls in MI and WI to give him a 16 to 10/6 lead over Mitt/Sarah.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Wishful thinking. Romney is still the favorite to win the Nomination. And what collapse. Is it possible to get some critical thinking around here.
Oh and remember the collapse of McCain, and the surge of Rudy, how did that work out for you.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Maybe he’s just waiting for the primary to begin….Maybe it’s as simple as that…He probably doesn’t feel like being questioned about stuff that doesn’t pertain to the 2012 primary….He doesn’t want to be the go to guy for FOX…and later have it be used against him.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Early Kenyan polls. They are sooooo accurate!
March 4th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Don’t apologize for anything, John. This site is the Internet’s gathering place of Romney apologists. With Romney (who I never have liked) collapsing and Huckabee (who never I liked either) putting his foot in his mouth one too many times over the last week (now he’s attacking Natalie Portman’s pregnancy) and Sarah Palin being a total nimrod, the GOP appears bereft of a legitimate candidate to take on Obama.
Run Rudy Run!
March 4th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
The thing with Romney is that he comes across as a phony. There is nothing authentic about him. Even his jokes come across as phony as his appearance on David Letterman and his top ten list. His lack of passion just makes you wonder what he believes.
As to polls, while there is no conspiracy, there are bad polls out there. One PPP poll had Palin’s negatives at 56%. Yet they get that by polling 37% Democrats, 27% Republicans, and 36% independents. According to Rasmussen, February had 35.4 Republicans, 35% Democrats and 29.6% Independents. While there are no conspiracies, they do essentially think alike. They do talk with each other as the JournoList scandal proves.
Another thing I see are there are 2 sides of the street. One is social conservatives and the other economic conservatives. Huckabee and Palin are on the social conservative side. Romney is on the esonomic conservative/moderate side of the street. Romney, Gingrich, and Pawlenty are on the same side and may be joined by Jon Huntsman Jr and Guiliani. I
think he is being picked to pieces.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
*I mean MO and WI for Missouri and Wisconsin. (Not MI)
March 4th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
I mean Indonesia not Kenya.
March 4th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
March 24th/25th Iowa Renewal Project ..with a great lineup
https://the.maxcelreg.net/Gr2Web/RegPage.aspx?RegistrationEventID=32&RegistrantTypeID=1
We’re getting closer…
March 4th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Kenyan Renewal Project.
March 4th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
“The thing with Romney is that he comes across as a phony.”
…which, interestingly enough, seems to stem primarily from the fact that he looks good, sounds good, acts good, etc.
Isn’t it sad when we’ve become so cynical of a population that someone who basically radiates Presidential has a hard time because people think its too unlikely?
March 4th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
89. Run Rudy Run!
I am down with this sentiment.
March 4th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Maybe, just maybe it is his wife’s health. I do not believe Romney will pull and Edwards and run if his wife is sick!!!! I know what she said at CPAC, but there is no need to rush if no one has announced on the GOP.
March 4th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Obama fears Romney!!
March 4th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
I have to write a blog post about that Page 183. People completely misinterpret it.
I know this is a Romney stronghold, but that’s part of what I like about the place
I used to hang around forums for Swedish communists just because there was so much opposition. Not to mention the time when I was 14 and I marched straight into their International Socialist day demonstration and started to hand out leaflets. Or the time when I embarrassed the trade union leader when I was 13… wow, this brings back memories. I have been doing this since I was 10 and I won’t stop until I’m 100 
March 4th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Romney radiates ‘Presidential’ like Bill O’Rielly radiates serious journalist.
It takes more than nice hair for some of us I guess…
Having the strength of ones convictions would be nice.
March 4th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Yes john, please do a blog post about page 183 because both of your posts today were spot on (SNARK)!
March 4th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
marK Says:
March 4th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
“Collapsed”? “Sagged”, maybe. Perhaps even “slumped”. But “collapsed”?
Well, if you follow this link, you will see where Huckabee’s Virginia’s support has almost totally collapsed, and Romney has rocketed from fourth place to second. Meanwhile Palin has plummeted from second place to being tied with third.
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March 4th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Thanks
Being called a fool by a fool is the best compliment an intelligent man can get, as they say.
March 4th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
I guess we are going to see the Huckabee collapse next week.
March 4th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Yep, when the poll numbers show a Huckabee collapse, I promise I’ll write an analysis of it. Okay?
March 4th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
There IS no alternate interpretation of page 183.
What can a Huckawhatever come up with?? Possibly they can explain it by assuming it resulted from Huckabee’s financial inability to hire a fact-checker, or, possibly that he was doing hallucinogens when he wrote it, or that he was under the spell of a curse pronounced by one of Mitt’s devil-worshipping Witch or Warlock supporters, or, when Huckabee tried to explain his statement to the same effect that he was tired, he was SO tired he was actually dreaming when he wrote it…..but the point is that there is no RATIONAL explanation for something that stupid.
Huck is toast.
March 4th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
If by collapse, you mean Huck winning more states in the Midwest and South over the others coinciding with the highest national favorables, I wholeheartedly agree
March 4th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Kenyan toast Oi vey.
March 4th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Barna defines “evangelicals” as those who have made a personal commitment to Jesus Christ and have accepted Christ as their Savior, and who affirm seven criteria: They 1) say their faith is very important in their life today, 2) believe they have a personal responsibility to share their faith with non-Christians, 3) believe that Satan exists, 4) believe that eternal salvation is possible only through grace, not works, 5) believe that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth, 6) believe that the Bible is accurate in all that it teaches, and, 7) describe God as the all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect Deity who created the universe and still rules it today.
Mormons agree on 1, 2, 3, 5, and 7
4. We believe that eternal salvation is possible through works and grace
6. We believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly (men have changed the words and deleted what prophets actually wrote
March 4th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
“4. We believe that eternal salvation is possible through works and grace”
…not alone in that area.
March 4th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Well Steven, I grew up pentecostal and now I’m attending a Presbyterian church (which frankly I like better than the pentecostal church – people are way friendlier here). I’m not a mormon, but if we start to debate that, this thread is going to explode. My only encounter with mormons was when they came to our town when I was around 11-12, and they knocked on our door and wanted to discuss things. I remember my older sister took a debate with them. I wanted to, but mom wouldn’t let me anywhere close them – they wouldn’t be allowed to pollute the mind of her innocent little boy. She wouldn’t even let me read the book of mormons which they gave my sister, because she was afraid of the bad influence it might have on me (I wanted to read it just to compare). I think she was a bit overprotecting, or what do you say?
March 4th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Let me interrupt your Vacation Bible School talk with this..
“Romney Tanked”
http://conhomeusa.typepad.com/therepublican/2011/03/chris-christie-jeb-bush-mitch-daniels-2012.html
March 4th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Just read the infamous page 183…Humm….seems that Kenyabee not only doesn’t know/remember that he didn’t mention anything about Indonesia on page 183……..He doesn’t mention Indonesia in his ENTIRE BOOK!!!
Wow, so either The Huckster didn’t write/read his own book…..or he’s going senile…….or he’s lying to us thinking we are too stupid to notice……TAKE YOUR PICK
And JOHN…..your defense of Huckabee on this is destroying any credibility you had left.
With this sort of selective morality you are demonstrating, no wonder nobody but fellow Huck-o-nuts can take your Romney rants seriously…
March 4th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Craig – That poll cracks me up. How long have we known Christie and we already know he is the greatest. It seems odd to me that Huck and Romney had the fewest checks.
March 4th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Who said this?
“And with all due respect to Governor Christie, you know he has no choice but to cut budgets because he’s broke, his state is broke. What courage really is, is in the face of having a surplus when you have opportunity to spend spend spend the people’s money, you still choose to reign in government to let the private sector soar. That’s real courage, and by the way that’s what I did as Governor here when I engaged in hiring freezes and reduced earmarks by 86% and vetoed the largest amounts in our state’s history. Despite having a surplus that’s real leadership and that’s courage.
But I do appreciate the fact that Governor Christie is willing to face the reality in his state and that is that they are going bankrupt. So he has to cut, he has no choice.”
March 4th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Temper, temper, Sarah. Just breathe…
Tonight’s 2012 LIVE Blog
Palin to O’Reilly: Don’t interrupt!
By ANDY BARR | 3/4/11 8:54 PM EDT
Sarah Palin got a little frustrated with Bill O’Reilly Friday night, telling the Fox News host not to interrupt her while she tried to explain her position on entitlement reform.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/50701.html
March 4th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
“4. We believe that eternal salvation is posible through words and grace”
I would clarify that to “we believe we are saved by grace AFTER all that we can do”.
-Faith in Jesus Christ, continually stiving to follow his example (obedience to His laws and ordinances), repenting as we fall short, and in the end, His grace will make up where we are short.
Sorry, I read that and thought it could be interpreted that members of the LDS faith believe they can reach salvation by works alone or grace alone.
March 4th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
“works” not words
March 4th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Welby,
Huck got twice as much love as Romney!!
I thought it fit John’s thread theme of ‘Romney’s collapse – Five theories’.
.
March 4th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
back to the battle… I really enjoy reading comments on this site.
Hope we can all get together behind whomever wins the nomination.
March 4th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
116. Once again Craig, you go by the false media interpretation of her words rather than listening to what she actually says.
You are as pathetic as your candidate.
March 4th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Chris,
#41. I think that CPAC was an unfortunate preview of Romney’s ’12 strategy. Lots of platitudes and Obama bashing, and not much else. I think that he thinks that’s how “front runners” act.
March 4th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
This looks like Romney discussing his only hunting trip that he ever went on..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz9qoMCQPEc
March 4th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Craig,
#112. They didn’t give Sarah a check for “reformer.”
Tex will be so mad. Time to go RINO hunting!
March 4th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Just glancing over this thread it looks like we have a new crop of Rombots.
Welcome!
March 4th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Temper, temper. Teledude.
March 4th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
#123…How about posting some “authentic” Kenyabee clips
March 4th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
What I thought was interesting about the ConservativeHome poll is that it is a poll of the Conservative Establishment.
So it’s not surprising Palin and Huckabee did poorly. But it’s shocking that Romney was at the bottom.
And even the Establishment thinks he’s “inauthentic” — those who know him best.
March 4th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
I wonder if its the full moon tonight because the freaks sure came out to play.
March 4th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Matt “MWS” Says:
March 4th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
“Just glancing over this thread it looks like we have a new crop of Rombots.”
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Matt,
Watch out. They might all be Mac.
Hey, here’s a video of Sarah the Romney hunter…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDOykmey7-I
March 4th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Why can’t we just all get along? Here’s Sarah and Mitt fighting again..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niPi-jrZ2aA&NR=1
March 4th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Must be Craig’s time of month…
March 4th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
March 4th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Gotta break out the videos ever so often, Jerald. Which one was your favorite?
March 4th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Bob,
It’s becoming clearer to me that Mitt will be neither The Establishment Guy® or The Base Guy®.
He’ll be Steve Forbes, with his own well funded army of mercenary consultants running a high profile campaign that neither emanates from the base, nor is “sanctioned” by the establishment. He will try to create his own shadow establishment.
March 4th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Mine was “It’s hard to hit another living thing in the face with a shovel? for about an hour.” LOL!
March 4th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Matt “MWS”, I never thought about that, but you’re absolutely right. He’s Steve Forbes, simple as that!
And he too will end up beaten by a southern governor. Amazing how history repeats itself.
March 4th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
I like this video better…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDwwAaVmnf4
March 4th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
John — STILL no answer to the actual poll numbers?
Where is this Romney collapse anywhere outside of PPP/Kos-land?
Bueller?
Sorry to disrupt your KnownFacts with reality…
March 4th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Matt C,
POLLTRACKER National » US-Favorability ..as of 3/5/11
Huckabee … 39.0% / 29.6% … +9.4
Romney …. 33.2% / 32.6% … +0.6
Palin …….. 30.5% / 55.2% -24.7
POLLTRACKER National » US-Favorability ..as of 1/18/11
Romney …. 38.0% / 29.3% … +8.7%
Palin …….. 35.4% / 52.4% -17.0%
March 4th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Romney/Rubio 2012!!!!
March 4th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Romney supporters:
Our decline in the polls is fabricated by Democrat Kos agents under the guise of the PPP polling firm.
Muammar Gadhafi:
My decline in popular support is fabricated by al Qaeda’s drug-inducing shenanigans under the guise of popular uprising.
MWS is right, Romney is definitely losing his backing from the establishment, and the outsiders have never liked him, so he’s going to end up using his army of well-funded consultants to prop his campaign up. And just like in the business world, consultants are a load of baloney that can’t see the truth if it smacked them in the face. Or with a few polling reports
March 4th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
I think Paul Ryan taking a slap at RomneyCare bodes ill for Mitt, and is probably representative of the opinions of a whole lot more establishment types than just Ryan.
March 4th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
“Romney supporters:
Our decline in the polls is fabricated by Democrat Kos agents under the guise of the PPP polling firm.
Muammar Gadhafi:
My decline in popular support is fabricated by al Qaeda’s drug-inducing shenanigans under the guise of popular uprising.”
I find this to be in incredibly poor taste, considering Gadhafi is slaughtering thousands of his own citizens with airstrikes….
March 5th, 2011 at 12:13 am
“consultants are a load of baloney that can’t see the truth if it smacked them in the face.”
I think this is in incredibly poor taste.
March 5th, 2011 at 12:37 am
Bob,
LOL!
March 5th, 2011 at 12:47 am
I think MPC was talking specifically about these two consultants…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN4dvWOTT20
March 5th, 2011 at 1:48 am
Actually I loved watching Sarah dressing down Bill O’Reilly. I don’t know how much more specific he wanted her to be. Raise the retirement age and having people own their retirement. Waiting for Huckabee and Romney to address the issue. Do they have the courage?
March 5th, 2011 at 3:43 am
FOX NEWS: Obama and the Liberals gonna be mad..
Poll: Obama Loses Entire Evangelical Community
http://nation.foxnews.com/node/21579
March 5th, 2011 at 3:53 am
Craig,
I think we all know what happened when they listened to the consultants on that one, too. I wonder if they ran the Romney ’08 campaign
————
“I find this to be in incredibly poor taste, considering Gadhafi is slaughtering thousands of his own citizens with airstrikes….”
Puhhhlllllease, no one here for a minute thinks I was implying Rombots are as nefariously deranged as Gadhafi is.
You are playing the victim card to avoid the point, which is, that you guys are deluding yourselves as to the truth by groping at the ridiculous, such as completely implausible conspiracy theories.
March 5th, 2011 at 6:22 am
I think Craig presented the numbers quite well. And PPP are the only ones who regularly do state polls, so what’s wrong with using them? If you want to blame it all on a conspiracy, you have to prove it.
March 5th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Hmmm, seems like Romney had a major gaffe today as well with the “Jihad” bit.
March 5th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Stephen,
Do you have a link?
March 5th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
[...] was a post last night that offered several (plausible) explanations for why Mitt Romney’s campaign is [...]
March 5th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Matt,
I posted this earlier on Mark’s thread..
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/romney_and_gingrich_on_jihad_a.html