This little bit just in from NY-23. A debate was held tonight. Hoffman, the Conservative candidate refused to participate. The reason? He didn’t like the local media that was carrying the debate because it was too liberal.
Quote his spokesman:
“North Country Public Radio is the perfect venue to decide who is the most liberal candidate in the race,”
Now I’ve said about four times now that I have no dog in this fight, but is that a lame excuse or what? What is the difference between that and Obama picking a fight with Fox News?
Maybe the local GOP leaders had good valid reasons not to nominate this guy after all.
October 28th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Blah, this is why we don’t go for candidates like this. A mess all around. There’s a reason Scozzafava edged him out in that whole process.
October 28th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
P*ssy.
October 28th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
And this is the great principled conservative here. Afraid of a public radio station. When the going gets tough Hoffman cuts and runs.
HEY NOW….
*MAYBE* there is more to the Palin endorsement than I originally thought. It’s like they are soul mates. Or something.
October 28th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Folks, that’s because his opponent’s wife is in charge of moderating the debate. That sounds like a pretty good reason. He’ll participate in tomorrow’s.
http://dumpdede.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/the-real-reason-hoffman-is-ducking-tomorrows-debate/
October 28th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
First off, I loathe candidates ducking debates. I think it cheats voters of what they deserve (even though debates have generally devolved into a string of soundbites and scripted “gotcha’s”). That said, candidates who refuse them obviously duck them because they think they have more to lose than gain. Maybe they think they have a big lead. Maybe they think they have the momentum. Maybe they know they’ll get their arse handed to them. It varies.
Bottom line, Hoffman did the wrong thing, but hopefully he did it for the right reason……
October 28th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
“Folks, that’s because his opponent’s wife is in charge of moderating the debate. ”
WTH??????
October 28th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
So she’s on the board? So what?
Is she even a moderator? And if she is, is she one of, what, three people?
October 28th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Adam,
Okay, if the wife of a candidate was one of “only” three moderators that would still be a reason to duck a debate. Seriously, do you think it would be no big shakes if Michelle Obama got to ask 1/3 of the questions last year?
October 28th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Wait a minute now?
OWENS WIFE *CONNECTED* TO MODERATOR?
http://73wire.com/trail/2009/10/owens-wife-connected-to-debate-moderator/
That’s it?
She’s not even moderating the debate?
W E A K.
October 28th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
The more I think about it, the stupider this becomes. Dede’s biggest stumble was her ducking those questions from that conservative reporter and the badly played dustup that followed.
So what does Hoffman do? He ducks questions from a source he doesn’t want to answer.
Well, I hope NY-23 likes to be represented by a Democrat.
October 28th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
She’s not asking questions. She just happens to work for the PBS station.
George Bush dealt with questions from Gwen Ifill.
October 28th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
There were several reasons Doug Hoffman wasn’t chosen. Not living in that district and not knowing the local issues are two biggies. Name recognition in the area is another. Yes, that’s a weenie thing to do, weasling out of a debate like that. I’m glad this seat is only good for one year.
The biggest boon Doug Hoffman got in this race is being blessed with a horrendously bad GOP candidate. Were it not for that, he probably wouldn’t have pulled 40% in a 2-way race. As it sits, I think he wins this by 2%.
October 28th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
The guy isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
This just gets nuttier. And then the left gets to talk about how the Republicans are exploding.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
And anyway if Hoffman is so worried about Owens’ wife then why is Scozzafava (who already has been tagged as, shall we say, ‘easily spooked’) not afraid?
October 28th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
This isn’t the first debate Hoffman has ducked, and the reason, of course, is that he doesn’t understand the local issues well enough to avoid making a fool of himself.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Adam,
Or perhaps Hoffman is just spooked by liberals, whereas Dede is spooked by conservatives…….
October 28th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Any man that easily spooked by liberals is no conservative
October 28th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
I guess he’s also taking campaign advise from Palin.
Sending The Dede some cash…
October 28th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Adam,
Touché.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Hoffman just needs to keep going of Hannity, Rush, Levin, Fox, and he’ll be fine.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Chip,
Probably so, but this does look a bit weak-kneed. And as Richard noted, this isn’t the first debate he ducked. I hope he wins, but this reflects poorly.
Does anyone know when the debate was scheduled, if he ever accepted the invite, and if so, when he decided to duck?
October 28th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
It’s starting to look like Palin and Pawlenty may have acted in haste. Chalk it up to Rookie mistakes.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Martha,
Better a conservative buffoon than a liberal one.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Adam,
“*MAYBE* there is more to the Palin endorsement than I originally thought. It’s like they are soul mates. Or something.”
Heh, you know, I thought exactly the same thing
These conservative purist types sure have a persecution complex. I hope guys like Rubio can actually make the case for good principles playing a role in, not against, the Republican Party.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
I think Martha’s right.
It may have been foolish for Palin and Co. to put their reputation on the line for THIS GUY.
He looks like a weenie.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Adam,
What are you saying, that we could never vote for Steve Forbes or Pierre S. du Pont IV?
Anyway, nobody put their reputation on the line for this guy. As we agreed in the other thread, two weeks from now, nobody cares. But I would still like to see the conservative win, even if he looks like a dweeb with bad teeth.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
I see some commonality: Palin doesn’t answer questions in a debate whenever she doesn’t like it. Hoffman doesn’t even agree to a debate whenever he doesn’t like the forum.
What a pansy!! Some conservtive! And they say he knows nothing of the local issues….why was it that he was supposed to have been chosen again?
does live there
doesn’t know anything about the issues
pansy butt!
October 28th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Adam,
BTW, did you read this in your link?
“But a Republican should adhere to certain minimum GOP principles. Scozzafava is just too far to the left too often.
And not only on social matters, like same-sex marriage and abortion. In Albany, Scozzafava has been such a profligate tax-and-spender, she can almost make Speaker Sheldon Silver blush.
With the backing of the ACORN-allied Working Families Party, she supports Big Labor’s favorite organizing bill — card-check — as well as the federal stimulus, opposed by every House Republican.”
October 28th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
does not*
October 28th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Wow, what a loser. Go Dede!
October 28th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Ariel,
Good to “see” you. I’ve been meaning to ask…… the other day you had high hopes for Deed’s ad featuring Obama’s rhetoric.
How did that work out?
October 28th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Stupid move.
October 28th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Hoffman and NY 23
By Jonah Goldberg
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTA0MjQ3NmExNmMyOWJhNmJlNjk0M2NmYjFjNjQ3MzU=
October 28th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Hoffman visits the Times
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091022/BLOGS09/910229992/BLOGS09
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091022/BLOGS09/910229992/BLOGS09
October 28th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Probably not a smart move by the DNC considering the percentage of American adults, let alone registered voters, that consider Palin honest and trustworthy.
DNC attacks Palin ‘lies’
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1009/DNC_attacks_Palin_lies.html?showall
October 29th, 2009 at 12:09 am
The only problem with that assertion is that there are no non-partisan polls that exist that show the Conservative Party candidate can win. If Siena’s poll, which is expected to be released over the weekend, shows Hoffman to continue trailing a distant third and thus unelectable, will Goldberg then derisively dismiss Hoffman’s self-indulgent presence in the race as an ill-advised protest, and come out in support of a much-needed moderate like Scozzafava?
October 29th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Aron,
The NYP says that Dede supports card check, the stimulus, gay marriage, and abortion. They also called her a “profligate tax-and-spender.”
How is that “moderate”?
October 29th, 2009 at 12:29 am
MWS. . . I campaigned for du Pont. That guy was way ahead of his time. du Pont, John Connally, Paul Tsongas (yes, a Dem), and Mitt Romney are the four campaigns I’m proudest to have been a part of.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:30 am
“there are no non-partisan polls that exist that show the Conservative Party candidate can win”
On that logic, in 2008 you wouldn’t vote for McCain because the polls showed he was going to lose to Obama – as in fact he did.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:33 am
alaska,
Did you now? As I recall, Pierre was ringing the bell about Social Security 21 years ago.
Maybe we should have elected him back then. Then again, does that mean we would have Pierre W du Pont V in 2000?
October 29th, 2009 at 12:37 am
alaska,
I assume you’re familiar with this?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/archive/
October 29th, 2009 at 12:39 am
haha Pierre W.
He knew what he was talking about w/r/t soc sec – privatizing and all that. He also proposed work-fare instead of welfare and fought to end government subsidies. I wish we did elect him.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:41 am
If anybody saw his interview it’s no surprise…Gingrich did say Hoffman didn’t know the issues of NY-23.
Before endorsing Hoffman, didn’t Palin, Thompson, or Pawlenty even meet this guy? Or did they see an opening to move in with their 3rd party Movement without doing the necessary work…… Don’t people who endorse candidates usually interview the person. There must be some logical explanation to this.
Maybe this is why Palin is down 6.1 on Intrade tonight.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:44 am
Matt,
I was deliberately using Jonah Goldberg’s characterizations throughout #36.
That said, I suspect a majority of self-described moderates agree with Scozzafava’s alleged stances on each of the aforementioned issues.
BTW, FWIW, Scozzafava says she no longer supports the stimulus and has been critical of it as ineffective and a missed opportunity. Her spokesman also stated that she does not support the card check provision of the EFCA.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:45 am
I used to get the Wall Street Journal till I moved to AK. . .loved his column. I think he stopped writing around the time I left PA. . .hmmmmm, wonder if there’s a connection?
October 29th, 2009 at 12:59 am
Alaska,
“I wish we did elect him.”
The country would probably be in a lot better fiscal shape if he had. On the other hand, is there any reason to think that the massive Democrat majorities of 89-93 would have been at all cooperative? Anyway, he was something of a prophet.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:02 am
JayPe,
The only reason Jonah Goldberg supports Hoffman, and not Scozzafava at this point, is because he asserts that Hoffman can win, when there isn’t a single non-partisan poll to substantiate that claim. The whole premise of his current lack of support for Scozzafava is predicated not in opposition to her more liberal positions, but in Hoffman’s alleged electability.
Should Siena’s poll show Hoffman out of contention, it stands to reason that Goldberg would then adhere to Buckley’s policy and back Scozzafava over Owens.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:09 am
Aron,
Nearly every source that has been quoted about this race in the past three days suggests a two-way race between Hoffman and Owens. The Siena pollster was only skeptical about Dede falling to 14% in the Shaftan poll, not the idea that Hoffman was leading.
Of the three polls that we know are going to release polls of NY-23 in the next five days, I’d bet that PPP(D) is the one most likely to show Hoffman in the lead since they are the only non-online pollster to show Christie with a 4-point lead right now.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:26 am
MWS. . . One of the things that I liked about du Pont, and maybe it was just a Delaware thing, was that he worked extremely well with Dem-controlled legislatures in Newark. He managed to cut taxes and spending while working to create a very pro-business environment, specifically within the financial industry, all with a state house controlled by the other guys. Could that have translated to the national stage – who knows? But du Pont had at least as good a chance, and probably better, as Bush or anyone else running back then to accomplish some pretty good things, economically speaking anyway. I had very similar thoughts about Tsongas and his economic platform in ’92. I lived in Boston in ’92, and started early that campaign season. No one was more surprised than I was that I was an active volunteer on a Democratic campaign, but he was a great guy to meet personally and that was the most fun I ever had campaigning. When he dropped out I flirted with the Libertarian Party and even Perot, but eventually campaigned for Bush’s losing race.
(Sorry to hijack a thread with fond campaign memories.)
October 29th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Obama is full of sh!t. Here’s Associated Press today:
Stimulus jobs overstated by thousands
WASHINGTON – A Colorado company said it created 4,231 jobs with the help of President Barack Obama’s economic recovery plan. The real number: fewer than 1,000.
A child care center in Florida said it saved 129 jobs with the help of stimulus money. Instead, it gave pay raises to its existing employees.
Elsewhere in the U.S., some jobs credited to the stimulus program were counted two, three, four or even more times.
The government has overstated by thousands the number of jobs it has created or saved with federal contracts under the president’s $787 billion recovery program, according to an Associated Press review of data released in the program’s first progress report.
The discrepancy raises questions about the reliability of a key benchmark the administration uses to gauge the success of the stimulus. The errors could be magnified Friday when a much larger round of reports is released. It is expected to show hundreds of thousands of jobs repairing public housing, building schools, repaving highways and keeping teachers on local payrolls.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091029/ap_on_bi_ge/us_stimulus_jobs;_ylt=Atrahp9UrN1bJHwXVV7TN9Ls.6F4;_ylu=X3oDMTJqbGpzcTVtBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMDI5L3VzX3N0aW11bHVzX2pvYnMEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDYXBpbXBhY3RzdGlt
October 29th, 2009 at 1:53 am
If Owens win, he gets no more than 40% of the vote. The GOP can wipe hands clean off that lost no matter where Dede finishes. They can argue that the 60%+ plus vote against the Democrat is in-line with the anti-Democrat nature of the district. They can blame Hoffman and the Tea Party folks for splitting the party and causing a lost to the Dems. They can blame Dede and local GOP for picking her and her for sucking @ss in general. They might absorb some arrows, but at the end, the other races in the country (which I think we’ll clean up) will determine whether the circular firing squad starts the shooting. Biggest loser? Splitters. Lefties found out that the future isn’t with the Green Party. They infected the Democrats and we’re suffering from it. I support Hoffman, but I will COMPROMISE and support a numerically strong opposition to destroy Obama and the Democrats.
October 29th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Interesting poll from Kellyanne Conway about women:
http://www.iwf.org/files/8811f929032d3a1395d34efc6af5b701.pdf
October 29th, 2009 at 2:20 am
I’m a proud conservative but gee we know how to pick em!
October 29th, 2009 at 2:59 am
NJ PRE-ELECTION TEA PARTY RALLY
Sunday, November 1, 2009, 11:30 AM to 2:00 PM
Ford Mansion (George Washington’s winter HQ Dec 1779 – May 1780)
30 Washington Place Morristown, NJ
Bring your family, your friends, your signs!
Help defeat tax-and-spend Corzine and save NJ from economic ruin.
Keynote Speakers: Joe Wilson, Steve Lonegan, Kevin McCullough and Michael Johns
http://njteaparty.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&Itemid=1&Itemid=7
October 29th, 2009 at 3:24 am
Hmmm: Hoffman ducks debate with Scozzafava and Owens
by Allahpundit
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/28/hmmm-hoffman-ducks-debate-with-scozzafava-and-owens/
October 29th, 2009 at 3:26 am
#49 As a former resident of Delaware I’ll just point out the legislature is in Dover not Newark.
Delaware used to have a pretty strong good government ethic built around the use of casinos for revenue, being the preferred corporate venue and no income/sales taxes.
Much of the good government ethic has been lost as the state has filled with Democrats from Pennsylvania, NJ and the Western Shore of Maryland.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:32 am
NY-23 Congressional Candidates Debate in Plattsburgh (complete audio)
This evening, two of the three candidates for New York’s 23rd congressional district House seat took part in a public forum in Plattsburgh, hosted by SUNY Plattsburgh’s Chapter of United University Professions and its Student Association, and by the League of Women Voters of the Plattsburgh Area. The Democratic and Republican candidates, Bill Owens and Dede Scozzafava, participated. Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman declined. NCPR’s Brian Mann and Lindsey Lyons, president of the Student Association were co-moderators.
http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/audio/news091028g.m3u
October 29th, 2009 at 3:35 am
Scozzafava Media Release
http://www.newzjunky.com/news/1028scozzafava_debate.htm
October 29th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Romney not get the nominee in NY-23. Palin and Pawlenty endorse Hoffman. Hoffman get nominee in 2012. He true conservative. Romney, Palin, and Pawlenty are done.
October 29th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Anonymous,
You’re predicting that Hoffman will be our Presidential nominee in 2012 because Palin and Pawlenty (who are “done”) endorsed him?
BTW, I agree Romney has no chance of getting the nomination in NY-23.
October 29th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Anon. Based on what? LOL. You always tickle my funnybone!
October 29th, 2009 at 7:53 am
MWS. I agree with you on that as well! Romney will NOT be the GOP Nominee in upstate NY for NY-23!
October 29th, 2009 at 7:59 am
#59: So NY-23 holds the keys to the White House? Who knew?
October 29th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Let me chime my “Me-too” in here and completely agree that Romney will not get the nominee in NY-23.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:29 am
I cannot believe how quickly the people on this site accept the “planted axiom” that skipping a debate is some evidence of a character flaw or bad strategy. What difference does it make? The people who are so brain dead that they are even thinking of picking one of the two leftists have already decided. No debate is going to change anyone’s mind. I think the debates are little more than “bread and circuses” for political junkies. How many of you can honestly say that a poor performance by Reagan in 1984 (and he turned in a lousy one) assisted Mondale. In saner times, when these ridiculous debates had not yet become so much a part of “pop culture” (as opposed to serious evaluation of the issues),Nixon and Johnson both eschewed debates in 1964 and 1972 en route to landslide victories. Reagan might well have done the same in 1984.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
zebra,
If this debate was held six months ago when hardly anyone was paying attention, I would be inclined to agree with you. But instead of six months before the election, this debate was six days before the election. The people giving serious thought to voting are now paying close attention. The national attention this election has generated has only served to heighten interest. You better believe ducking a debate under these circumstances has an effect upon the outcome.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:59 am
“Let me chime my “Me-too” in here and completely agree that Romney will not get the nominee in NY-23.
” Haha, well, I admire you MarK (and company) for being able to keep a sense of humor through this whole awful mess.
Back to the issue at hand (sort of,) rightly or wrongly skipping debates are nothing new and under the circumstances, the Dedeites are making a mountain out of a mo-hill. Front-runners generally do not want debates and the fact that Queen Dede is so desperate to debate all of a sudden suggests that her internal polling is not all the different from the public polling.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:09 am
OHIO,
There are a bazillion ways to duck a debate. The excuse he gave was lame. Which, in turn, allowed the Dedeites to make a mountain out of a molehill. That was bad strategy. You don’t give your opponent an opening like that a scant six days before an election.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:15 am
As I alluded to in #10, I am fearful that this Hoffman stumble will only serve to split the Republican vote more evenly and assure Owens a victory.
Dede is no great shucks, but Hoffman isn’t exactly lighting my fire either, especially after this last stunt.
Oh well, we can take consolation in the fact that (a)they will only hold the office for a year, and (b)one more Democrat in the House isn’t going to make a great deal of difference.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:15 am
zebra,
While I think debates have devolved into mostly 60 second soundbites and canned “gotcha” moments, occasionally something of substance is said, and sometimes, candidates reveal something of their quality (intentionally or not). I think candidates OWE the voters a debate, no matter how much they leading.
BTW, I saw some of Rick Warren’s debate/interview with McCain and Obama. Now THAT guy knows how to do it. He asked questions that generally couldn’t be rehearsed ahead of time, and so we got (I think) a better feel for the candidates’ actual thinking.
This was the one where Obama infamously snarked that when human rights begin in a person’s life is “above his pay grade.”
October 29th, 2009 at 9:23 am
marK,
Yeah, I’ve got to think that refusing to show on the debate (and giving such a lame and self-serving excuse) probably cost Hoffman some votes.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Economy Expands 3.5 Percent in Third Quarter, Biggest Growth in 2 Years
The much-awaited turnaround ended the streak of four straight quarters of contracting economic activity, the first time that’s happened on records dating to 1947.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/29/economy-grew-percent-quarter/
October 29th, 2009 at 9:57 am
The Audacity to Win: How They Did It
By David Plouffe
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1932963,00.html
October 29th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Aron,
Unfortunately, that is probably a one time shot. With housing values bottoming, along with inventories, the GDP number is getting a more or less one time shot.
October 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Daily Kos/Research 2K Poll
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/10/29/very_tight_in_ny-23.html
Owens 33
HOffman 32
Dede 21
October 29th, 2009 at 10:56 am
The last Kos poll showed it
Owens 35
Dede 30
Hoffman 23
So there has been a ton of movement since last week.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:01 am
#75:
It’s odd, but it seems that Scozzafava has taken on the role of the 3rd party candidate while Hoffman is taking over the GOP’s turf. 3rd party or perceived 3rd party candidates fade as election day gets closer. Given all the recent polling trends, I expect Scozzafava to fade even more over the weeekend.
Hoffman has the momentum. I’d say he has a 40%-60% chance of winning the race now.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:02 am
http://twitter.com/markos/status/5261553146
“NJ-Gov results: a nail biter to the end. Results coming soon. This one will hinge on turnout.”
October 29th, 2009 at 11:12 am
How can Hoffman be ahead when he doesn’t show up at this particular debate?
/concern troll
October 29th, 2009 at 11:20 am
“How can Hoffman be ahead when he doesn’t show up at this particular debate?” Not many people care about the silly debate, it is about as lame as the Dedeite making hay about the fact that Mr. Hoffman does not live in the district. For all his supposed weaknesses, Mr. Hoffman is essentially right on the issues and making hay over the debate and demanding that Mr. Hoffman prove that he was not born in Kenya are to a degree silly desperate stunts.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am
$arah to Iowa: $how Me the Money!
Iowa Republicans wince at Palin fee
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=9E7BBB3F-18FE-70B2-A8469B60F6C99BFF
October 29th, 2009 at 11:51 am
“The Iowa Family Policy Center’s effort to cobble together $100,000 for Palin would represent a striking departure from customary practice in the first-in-the-nation state, these Republicans say, noting that a generation of White House hopefuls has paid their own way to boost their party and presidential ambitions.”
That would be a strong sign that she is a) not running for President or b) is incredibly short sighted.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:54 am
NY-23: Gaming it out
by Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/29/798185/-NY-23:-Gaming-it-out
October 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am
I TOLD you that Kos was just being cute…
Also,
Stu Rothenberg:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/29/_one_down_two_to_go_the_outlook_for_the_2009_elections_98926.html
October 29th, 2009 at 11:58 am
And by “you” I mean anyone (and there were a few) that were touting the Kos endorsement as reason not to support Scozzafava.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Adam,
None of this had to happen. If Bush hadn’t run up massive deficits- pushing us to the brink right before the completely insane spenders took over- the GOP wouldn’t be in this mess.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
#84 “I TOLD you that Kos was just being cute…”
Um, no. Read the article again. He’s indicating she’s pretty far to the left (which she is, regardless of her promises not to be). In fact, he considered her to be “a Collins/Snowe-type Republican,” and coupled with the endorsements of other hard-left orgs, she seems to accurately be called a liberal to me. Protest all you want about her promising to not vote liberal on several issues, I don’t take a politician’s promises too seriously (remember all the wonderful promises of Pres Obama?). I’m more interested in her history, and it’s hard left (excepting guns).
October 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
87,
Um Yes. A Collins/Snowe Republican is STILL to the right of a blue dog.
My argument all along was that Kos was insincere in his “endorsement” (which even he used quotes as a way to conjure up an eye roll).
October 29th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Quit hyperventilating. The result won’t be a ‘civil war’, rather the GOP and CFG will come to a compromise.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
#88 “Um Yes. A Collins/Snowe Republican is STILL to the right of a blue dog.”
No, a blue dog isn’t, but I could still prefer a Snowe-esque Republican to a blue dog Dem for the vote on leadership. In this case, I started with his assertion, then I added other factors (ACORN and NYSUT endorsements). Add it together, and I don’t see a moderate, but a liberal on every issue other than guns. She CLAIMS she won’t vote liberal on a series of issues, and if I felt I could trust her to do as she said, I’d consider supporting her. You see, my problem isn’t one or two issues, but pretty much all of them (except guns). Can you, or anyone else, show where her voting record is moderate, as opposed to liberal? Her promise, and the promise of Spkr Gingrich, means squat to me. I want a reason to BELIEVE what she says, because her list of supporters and voting record (from what little I know of it) contradicts her words.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Oh my. How embarrassing.