The AP reports that former Gov. Palin will venture to Hong Kong to deliver a speech to the CLSA Investors Forum, “a well-known annual conference of global investment managers”:
Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Alan Greenspan have spoken at the event, hosted by brokerage and investment group CLSA Asia-Pacific Markets.
“Our keynote speakers are notable luminaries who often address topics that go beyond traditional finance such as geopolitics,” company spokeswoman Simone Wheeler said in a statement.
Hopefully, this address will help burnish Palin’s international credentials, an area commonly perceived as a weakness of hers.
Albert R. Hunt has provided a nice commentary of Gov. Pawlenty on Bloomberg. The entire article merits a read, but here are some highlights:
The Democrats ended their presidential hiatus in 1992 and 2008 with a similar formula: Nominate a candidate not associated with Washington’s wars, who doesn’t belong to the party’s ideological base though is acceptable to it, and who can attract independent voters.
It is a formula Republicans would do well to replicate next time. If so, there is an aspirant who may fit the bill: Tim Pawlenty. Tim Pawlenty? For the uninformed, he is the two- term Republican governor of Minnesota.
He doesn’t excite Republican passions like Sarah Palin, or bring the intellectual range of Newt Gingrich, the down-home humor of Mike Huckabee or the resources of Mitt Romney. He also brings none of their baggage, has a consistently conservative record, presents his views in a less-confrontational and more measured way, and has succeeded in a Democratic state.
…He brings an almost Jack Kemp-like fervor to cutting marginal tax rates; an important predicate for any presidential run may be how Pawlenty handles a recommendation from a task force he appointed that the state replace some corporate and individual taxes with consumption levies.
His emphasis on taxes rankles many Minnesota Democrats. “There is a long line of progressive Republican governors in Minnesota who are big supporters of education,” says Walter Mondale, the former vice president and U.S. senator. “He is much more interested in tax-cutting and has broken with that tradition.”
…As the Pawlenty camp looks at the political landscape for 2012, they see Huckabee and possibly Palin vying for the vote of the movement right in the Republican Party. If Pawlenty catches on, he would then compete with Romney for more mainstream party members.
The Governor has to like seeing that “He brings an almost Jack Kemp-like fervor to cutting marginal tax rates…” line.
Finally, Nate Silver has completed another insightful analysis regarding the effect of President Obama’s Gallup approval ratings on Congressional mid-terms and his re-election chances. Among his conclusions:
Silver also included this informative graph:
August 31st, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Our Government is run by off shore private global banks. “The Obama Deception” can be googled and watched online free for an introduction to who really runs the Federal government. The right left paradigm is dying. This false paradigm is created by a main stream media that is owned by the same corporations that buy the elections for the idiots that are elected each year. The same men behind the curtain who ran the Bush administration run Obama. Wake up things are not what we’ve been brain washed by the TV into thinking.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Wait a minute. A President with a 50% approval rating has about a 90% of re-election? I think Bush was right about 50% in ’04, and he was about 60k vote switch in Ohio from losing.
Also, a President with a ZERO % approval has a 30% chance? On what planet? Rod Blagovich had about 5-10% approval here when they threw him in the slammer. I don’t think he had a 30% chance of getting elected to carve the family turkey at Thanksgiving.
That’s an idiotic chart.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:17 pm
2, Bush still won right? Silver wasn’t saying that he’ll win 90% of the vote if approval is at 50%.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:17 pm
#2, no, a president with 30% approval has a 0% chance according to the chart.
Anyway, I think against Palin, Obama could win with a 35% approval rating.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:18 pm
MWS,
You have the chart backwards. Someone with a 30% approval rating apparently has a 0% chance of getting re-elected. Also, that 60k votes in Ohio thing was always silliness. 60k votes was about a 2% swing. Other states would have tipped before Ohio had there been a 2% swing.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Why Won’t Giuliani Aim for Albany? Washington Still Sounds Nicer
http://www.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Why+Won%27t+Giuliani+Aim+for+Albany%3F+Washington+Still+Sounds+Nicer&expire=&urlID=409693037&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnymag.com%2Fdaily%2Fintel%2F2009%2F08%2Fwhy_wont_giuliani_aim_for_alba.html&partnerID=73272
August 31st, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Sarah is poised to cash in big-time on the speechifying circuit. This is how Ronald Reagan honed his skills on his way to becoming the great communicator. She’s already accomplished at speaking, but this will help her find her voice as it will force her to think coherently about her message. It will also help her expand her base. The Asia speech by itself will force her to expand her intellectual repertoire. It will be interesting to follow her progress. BTW, I’m still a Rombot to the core, just not an anti-Palin Rombot.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Palin Goes To Hong Kong…What Will She Say?
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/palin_goes_to_hong_kongwhat_will_she_say.php
August 31st, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Well Dave, I’m glad that there are still Romneyites that are not anti-Palin.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Aron’s post in #6 suggests that Rudy still harbors presidential ambitions. Does he realize that in order to become president he would actually have to win a primary??
August 31st, 2009 at 3:07 pm
#10 That isn’t nice! Myr Giuliani did win a delegate last time. All he has to do is figure out how to win 1,190 more and the nomination is his!
August 31st, 2009 at 3:14 pm
No Muslims at Black Eyed Peas concert
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090827/od_nm/us_concert
August 31st, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Japanese men battle epic loneliness by fostering intense relationships, and romance, with stuffed pillows representing teenage girl
http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20090830/od_notw/nwx090830xml
August 31st, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Huntsman makes $415-million bid for Tronox assets
http://ad.vu/ycxw
August 31st, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Mass. Governor Sets Date for Senate Special Election
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/08/mass_governor_sets_date_for_se.html
August 31st, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Think Again: Realism
Amid war and recession, Americans are in a no-nonsense, matter-of-fact mood. But that, says a leading architect of George W. Bush’s foreign policy, is no reason to adopt a misguided doctrine.
by Paul Wolfowitz
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/08/17/think_again_realism?print=yes&hidecomments=yes&page=full
August 31st, 2009 at 4:08 pm
14 – that is news how?
August 31st, 2009 at 4:11 pm
I hope she doesn’t plagiarize Reagan and ask them to tear down their wall.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pm
#18, the Wall isn’t in Hong Kong…
#17, IT IS A DAILY ROUNDUP…..Tony has been doing this for months…
August 31st, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Fox News Sunday Panel Plus
Watch Panel Plus for August 30, 2009 with Bill Sammon, Mara Liasson, Bill Kristol and Juan Williams
http://fns.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/08/30/panel-plus-august-30-2009/
This Week Roundtable: ObamaCare and CIA Investigation
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=8447167
This Week Green Room: Did Torture Work?
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=8447597
Liz Cheney and Sam Donaldson Spar on CIA Probe
http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/08/liz-cheney-and-sam-donaldson-spar-on-cia-probe.html
August 31st, 2009 at 4:45 pm
#19
#18, the Wall isn’t in Hong Kong…
Yes, true Kris, but does she know that???
Africa isn’t a country either you know! Of course, we don’t know if she really said that….we just know that some of McCain’ people said she did. They could be lieing of course.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:26 pm
This is very smart of Palin – it is building up her strong foreign policy experience and this could be a significant trip with significant accomplishment and important photo opportunities.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Re: #21,
Fox News Video: Shepard Smith with Carl Cameron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPsV6ZhL15c
Fox News Video: Bill O’Reilly with Carl Cameron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dkiWncf2k
August 31st, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Interesting graph by Silver.
Personally I think that 45% is the magic number. We need to get to down to (a real) 45% or below. Only another 8-10% or so to go!
Of course that’s versing Romney. If he wins the lottery and faces ex gov Palin he could win with a 30% approval rating (eg Corzine is still in his race with a 30% odd approval rating).
August 31st, 2009 at 5:39 pm
17 – does it even relate to Ambassador Huntsman?
In any event he’s clearly not running.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Aron/Illinoisguy,
That was proven false and you know it.
#25, that is his primary source of income.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Aron, the videos in your #23 comment SHOULD BE a really huge problem for any of us with open minds. Tht’s what is so overwhelmingly baffling to me, is why otherwise intelligent people on here still cling to her skirt. I’m just astonished by it. Can you imagine what the democrats would do with this material?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:07 pm
#27, Do Mormon women wear skirts? Do they lie as often as you do?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:07 pm
#26 – No, I dont’ know it Kristofer…show me where it was PROVEN false. Are you saying Karl Cameron was lieing, or that the sources were lieing? Or what?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:10 pm
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/msnbc_taken_in_by_hoxer_on_pal.html
August 31st, 2009 at 6:11 pm
What in the heck was that religious slam supposed to mean Kristofer? I don’t ever lie. I may occasionally make a mistake, but I never lie. Last night I said I didn’t think Mitt had been below three percent after they started putting out polls for the 2008 election, but found in 2005 and 2006 he was, which was before he was a candidate of course. He was still governor, and had made no movement toward being a candidate. I was wrong, but I don’t lie., and I strongly resent the implication.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:12 pm
MSNBC Retracts Story claiming Sarah Palin thought Africa was a Country
“the veracity of that report was not put in question by the revelation that Eisenstadt is a phony.”
http://astrology.yahoo.com/channel/none/msnbc-retracts-story-claiming-sarah-palin-thought-africa-was-a-country-308599/
August 31st, 2009 at 6:15 pm
NY Times: Media Falls for Hoax (Maybe Sarah Palin knows her geography after all)
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/13/ny-times-media-falls-for-hoax-maybe-sarah-palin-knows-her-geography-after-all/
August 31st, 2009 at 7:31 pm
The hell it was!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/arts/television/13hoax.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin/&pagewanted=print
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=6250151&page=1
August 31st, 2009 at 8:21 pm
No F^%& way, Goldie!!!!
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2008/11/09/the-truth-about-palin-africa-and-nafta/
August 31st, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Nice try Kristofer, but it looks as if you didn’t even view Aron’s links. They were both Karl Cameron, one to O’Reilly, and one to Shepherd Smith. Unless Karl retracted what he said and his sources denied it, you telling me something about MSNBC retracting says nothing at all. It’s very troubling. If even 1/2 of what Karl reported is true, it’s a very big problem for Sarah Palin.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:29 pm
whatever #36….it was debunked by her FP advisors.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Hahaha, yeah right Kris, “HER FOREIGN POLICY ADVISORS” can really debunk the story from Cameron! It’s this kind of stupid thinking that got out butt beat last time…..and if we’re not careful it will happen again.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:35 pm
whatever #36….Aron posted all old links.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Kris, you prove what a jerk you are over and over and over. Sad, really for a guy who has some potential.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:44 pm
#31;
IllinoisG. Your right about Palin. It’s scary that people will follow her even though she lacks fundamental knowledge in many of the issues we face.
It’s too bad she is using the U.S. Political system as a boost to launch a speaking tour for $$$,$$$, instead of trying to be the best leader she can be as a Public Servant.
She did a great job of marketing herself, as she used her power as a woman instead of her power as a leader, I’m afraid the glass ceiling will have to wait, because while she did such a good job marketing herself with the demands for big speaking fees, she stereotyped young women who aspires for higher office.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:45 pm
So?????? What the heck does that do for your argument? Did Cameron agree he lied? Did the McCain campaign admit they lied to Cameron? The video tells us a lot about Sarah Palin. It’s troubling and will provide lots of fodder for the Democrats if she were to be a part of the next ticket. I don’t think she will be, but if she were to be, it would be a problem for us.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:46 pm
The bottom line is that we are led to wonder about Palin’s knowledge of everything because of her own performance during and since the campaign! It is entirely Palin’s fault for not being able to show she has a brain. We are told over and over that she is indeed a capable and smart leader, but the evidence suggests otherwise.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I’m fine with Palin making all the money she wants. Nothing wrong with that. But don’t tell me she’s the great next hope for the GOP when she quit her job as gov for “greener” pastures. If she can’t stick out the last 18 months of the governorship of the smallest state, she can’t be trusted with our nomination.
What I want to know is: Who is going to write her “economic” speech? She certainly has advisors. Who are they? We all know Palin has precious little creds on economics. Giving a speech isn’t going to -)suddenly give change that. She’s the gal who thought the bailout was about healthcare reform.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:54 pm
KristoferL,;
37: The question is why would McCains campaign staff destroy their credibility and reputations so they could destroy Palin. These people want to move on to other campaigns. and a Campaign is their resume.
I believe the Vanity Fair article.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:58 pm
After the election, everyone said wait and see what Palin does. If she goes home and proves herself a good gov, then she can be taken seriously.
She did not. She went home and created a lot of controversy, personal and public. She bungled a lot of legislative matters. She was ineffective. She was taking heat from everyone – Republicans and Democrats. Former supporters turned against her.
She truly was all hat and no cattle. Her high poll numbers were a fantasy based almost entirely on persona and high gas tax revenues. The real Palin finally showed up, did a poor job, and ended up throwing in the towel. I’m not saying the media wasn’t rough on her, they were. But she folded like a cheap suit.
August 31st, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Dave, are we listening to the same woman speak? She has a shrill voice, repeats herself, and uses foul language to be ‘just like us’ in her “speeches”. She also does not know the subject very well. I don’t think she’ll run in 12. I think she’s actually washed up.
August 31st, 2009 at 9:19 pm
It will be interesting, especially since Palin will need someone to interpret her speech. I hope she’s done her homework.
August 31st, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Kris,
So, you’re accusing Fox News, who continued to stand by its story several days after Rich Lowry’s column, of making things up?
Neither Meg Stapleton nor Steve Biegun addressed the following specific claims made by McCain insiders:
Palin didn’t know South Africa was an independent country, believing it was part of a larger African nation; like Australia, both a country and a continent.
Unrelated to the NAFTA claim, she was unable to name all the countries in North America.
Palin didn’t understand the idea of American exceptionalism, or Wilsonianism.
Palin refused preparation for the now-infamous Couric interview.
Palin complained after the Couric debacle that she wanted to be steered toward “more friendly audiences”, presumably disinterested in having to answer reporters’ tough questions, or proving herself to be knowledgable, capable and credible to a skeptical press.
Palin would look at her press clippings in the morning and throw tantrums; throwing paperwork, and being so nasty that she drove McCain staffers to tears.
Even Biegun, who was, next to Randy Scheunemann, arguably Palin’s biggest fan within the McCain campaign, admitted to Lowry that “Palin had a steep learning curve on foreign issues” and conceded to Politico’s Jonathan Martin ” “that Palin couldn’t compare to Joe Biden’s 35 years of experience” and that “they shouldn’t have tried to even bother.”
August 31st, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I think it’s quite obvious to anyone who isn’t blinded by some sort of Palin Derangement Syndrome that Palin knows that Africa is a continent.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Palin didn’t know South Africa was an independent country, believing it was part of a larger African nation; like Australia, both a country and a continent.
If true, she obviously thought that “southern Africa” was being referred to, much as “North Africa” could be used to speak of the maghreb.
Unrelated to the NAFTA claim, she was unable to name all the countries in North America.
Oh, please.
Palin didn’t understand the idea of American exceptionalism, or Wilsonianism.
I highly doubt this.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Alex,
As I pointed out in #49, I don’t dispute that.
Why do you think it’s obvious, though, that Palin knew South Africa was an independent nation, or highly doubt she didn’t understand Wilsonianism, when she couldn’t even articulate the Bush Doctrine?
Do you believe McCain staffers were lying when they told that to Carl Cameron, or suffering from PDS?
August 31st, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Do you believe McCain staffers were lying when they told that to Carl Cameron, or suffering from PDS?
They probably thought “Heh, let’s screw her over by feeding the media lines about how air-headed Sarah is!”
I’m sure that there were plenty of McCain staffers who did think that she was an airhead and a cause of the loss, and we have no reason to assume that they’re all Mr. Nice Guy.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:00 pm
“Sad, really for a guy who has some potential.”
Martha, I am old and way beyond ‘potential’, although I have yet to his the crazy houswife stage, yet.
September 1st, 2009 at 7:04 am
I will never understand why these Romneyites, Pawlentyites and or who ever these characters are actually naive enough to believe that Mrs. Palin does not know anything about geography. Meanwhile, many of these same characters have no clue about how Alaska opperates, they think that any monkey can run Alaska and yet they have no clue. Further, these same ‘know it all Conservatives’ believe that our community organizer is just brilliant despite the fact they they claim to disagree with him. IIII, I really wonder sometimes what planet some people come from. Despite that fact that Tommy Boy and Kristofer among other prove them wrong or at least tell the other side of the story, it never stops a few Anti-Palinites from throwing more @#$% against the wall and see what sticks. I am glad you guys are having fun because this non-sence is getting old fast.
September 1st, 2009 at 8:39 am
52, because of what I saw on the campaing trail from Madame Palin, I believe the McCain staffers. It was a poor pick to apease the far right, and nothing more. It was a gamble that FAILED.
September 1st, 2009 at 8:40 am
Ohio, If she was not such a easy target, and giving up a LOT of stuff for fodder, I don’t think there would be any brown stuff being tossed against the walls. BUT, she hands it to them on a silver platter.
September 1st, 2009 at 8:42 am
Aron, Palin gave Gibson his own definition of what the Bush Doctrine was from 2002, the Bush Doctrine doesn’t exist anyway it is a phrase coined by Krauhammer. How can you claim she didn’t know what it was, when she gave Gibson his own definition?
September 1st, 2009 at 8:48 am
On the days following the election, there was talk about how the McCain campaign was one of the worst run campaigns in recent political history. These people were out of a job and in survival mode. They needed a fall guy and obviously, the MSM wanted bad stories about Palin. The idea that any of you can remotely believe most of this is really a testament to your own intellectual flaws.
Some of you are probably just angry that Palin was asked to deliver such a speech at such an important event and Romney was not. And, I am sure some of you are just afraid that this will bump up Palin’s credentials.
September 1st, 2009 at 8:50 am
Well, I don’t know who you are talking about OJ, but I, for one, think that Obama is the worst president we have ever had ideologically, and don’t think he is the sharpest axe in the shed either. My problem with Sarah Palin is that she has never done her homework in order to be a player on the world stage. She really doesn’t know very much about many, many subjects that are imperative that she know. It appears that she is intellectually lazy, and that she would rather spend her time doing other things. She seems to have been the one throwing things against the wall….showing no control when things didn’t go her way. Refusing to be prepped for the Couric interview (especially when she knew so little) was inexcusable. She’s years away from ready to be a player at the national level. The more time goes by, the most obvious that becomes.
September 1st, 2009 at 8:55 am
Illinois, you mean the way she handled the health care debate, from FACEBOOK, and forced the opposition, the President included, to rethink their entire stance on the issue? Do you listen to yourself?
September 1st, 2009 at 8:56 am
Well Knickers, you and perhaps Martha among others were watching a different campaign. I have learned to believe that Palin camp over her opponents because her opponents repeat nothing, but bunk. You people should be ashamed of yourselves for spreading such trash. Why some are so willing to believe every liberal bogus talking point and disgrace the party over PDS is beyond me. I hope your candidate (candidates) do not have to put up with half the bunk that Mrs. Palin had to listen to.
September 1st, 2009 at 8:58 am
Why is it the Rombots believe any negative press about Palin but if there is a bad story about Romney they are up in arms calling very similar journalist and their sources liars? Why is that? I guess there is a double standard!
September 1st, 2009 at 9:00 am
Ohio, with friends like these…who needs enemies?!?!
September 1st, 2009 at 9:01 am
“Do you listen to yourself?” Well Jersey, I think the bunch of them do not listen to themselves sometimes. They just want to impress each with who can come up with the most extreme anti-Palin statement. One wonders what happened to the cornflakes of the Anti-Palinites. Maybe they had too much coffee over the last few days.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:08 am
Yes Jersey, I for one do not intend to vote 3rd party. I shall back Mr. Romney for President should he win the nomination, but it will be fun having to watching the Romneyites having to defend their candidate from both the left and right. One day they might get a slight taste of their medicine. I wish them good Freaking luck.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:08 am
Ohio, I really think they see how much good this speech can do for Palin and they cannot understand why Romney was not picked instead of Palin. I, for one, know the answer. Nobody really cares about what Romney has to say. He doesn’t make the news. When he leads in a poll it doesn’t even make the morning news shows news cycle. They cannot believe how badly they lose with favorables against Palin and they are still bitter about 2008. They also feel that Romney is the heir apparent to the 2012 nomination, even though he had to use millions of his own money to last until Feb/March in 2008. Unfortunately, for them, he is not the heir apparent, he has a long way to go and he has to beat many people to win the nomination.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:14 am
Yes, some of them think the country owes it to them and we must bow before them and they are bitter and jealous that some lady from Alaska is getting more attention, getting more things done and drawing bigger crowds. It is a shame in deed.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:14 am
I wouldn’t back 3rd Party either unless I truly believe in the candidate. As of now I do not believe in Romney. He may be able to sell me on himself but as of now I cannot back him. If the Libertarians put up an amazing candidate then I might be able to back that person over Romney but otherwise, if Romney is the nominee, I might just have to sit out.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:19 am
I for one would give Mr. Romney a chance in 2012, but if he listens to these know it all clowns and shows poor judgement then I’ll look for somebody else in 2016.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:30 am
I don’t know how it got to be that every Palin-bashing comment is linked to Romney on here. Aron is pretty anti-Romney. Knickers says she supports Romney but she voted for freaking Obama and reads lefty blogs from Alaska so I don’t even know what to think about her or where she is coming from. I’ll give you that Martha is a Romney supporter who likes to spend more time bashing Palin than praising Romney, but I think she has already admitted to being more anti-Palin and Huckabee than she is pro-Romney. Illinoisguy only says negative things when he gets fired up, like when people, based on one speaking engagement in Hong Kong, conclude that “nobody cares what (Romney) has to say.” I don’t see much other Palin-bashing coming from Romney supporters around here.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:34 am
I am so sick of hearing about how Palin “couldn’t have known what the Bush Doctrine is or isn’t because there is no Bush Doctrine.”
Norman Podhoretz: “Enter the Bush Doctrine”
Professor Robert Kaufmann: “In Defense of the Bush Doctrine”
99% of people think that the Bush Doctrine means preventive/preemptive war.
Regardless of whether you think that there is One Bush Doctrine or not, it certainly is NOT “……………his worldview???”
September 1st, 2009 at 10:53 am
OK, now Palin going to Asia makes sense.
http://www.businessinsider.com/sara-palin-just-another-clsa-practical-joke-2009-9
September 1st, 2009 at 10:54 am
Jersey. We hear it right from her mouth. Who needs the press to report stupid, with it just falls freely when her mouth opens up?
September 1st, 2009 at 11:48 am
73. Now that’s funny.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:49 am
72. Everyone was just trying to make an excuse for Palin.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:51 am
71. I love how you get me.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
“73. Now that’s funny.” It may be funny, but I would take it with a grain of salt. BTW Martha, the fact that you have more hatred for people like Mrs. Palin than you have love for your own candidate frankly reflect poorly on your character. I would have a little more respect for you if you spent more time building up your candidate than tearing other candidates down. Get Real has a point, not everybody like your is a Romneyite, but it is a disgrace how you trash Mr. Palin first and ask questions later. Unfortunately, you will not follow Kristofer’s good example, you would sooner trash Conservatives than you would liberals, and I for one want no part of it. As for some of us making excuses for Mrs. Palin, you bet you we are going to stand up for her against such trashings who are willing to throw any sort of bunk at her and hope its sticks no matter how true it is.
BTW, Illinoisguy, yes you for one to be fair are not fooled by Mr. Obama. However, many of your fellow anti-Palinites were fooled enough by him to give him a chance. Real freaking swell.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
54. Kris,
I don’t know how old you are, but you are not way beyond potential improvement. Your posts are almost always insightful and relevant, and I enjoy them – especially your FP/NS stuff. But when you comment, you are often dishonest and rude to others.
That’s why I say it’s sad. You do have more potential. I may be very critical of Palin and Huckabee, but I am never rude to other posters, nor do I lie about them when I don’t like what they say.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
78. Kristofer’s good example. LOL.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:28 pm
OJ. I don’t hate Palin, as I have repeatedly made clear. I think she’s a terrible candidate – there’s a huge difference. She’d make a horrible nominee, and we’d be sure to get 4 more years of Obama.
I also don’t want the left to continue framing us as the party of Palin. They’re quite successfully at it right now.
I don’t think telling the truth about Palin is trashing her. I also don’t feel an obligation to protect her from criticism simply because she’s a Republican. Now is the time to get real about all our potential candidates. Nothing should be off the table.
You automatically assume that “all the bunk” thrown at Palin is false. I’ve never understood how you do that. Most of my criticisms come directly from things Palin has said and done herself.
OJ, you are a very nice guy, but you are too sensitive about Palin. You need to counter the claims, rather than criticize the people saying it.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
“Most of my criticisms come directly from things Palin has said and done herself.” Or what others have said about her. She never said that Africa was a country anymore than Mr. Quayle said that Latin Americans spoke Latin. It was Mr. Obama who said that he has been to 57 states. Also I read in a foreign newspaper over the weekend that Mrs. Palin was never invited to that event anyways. However, that does not matter to the liberal media here in our own country.
BTW, I do not care if I am a nice guy or not, I will continue to defend Mrs. Palin’s honor whether she ever runs for public office again or not. And I wish we were the party of Palin. However, I shall vote for the GOP against that Leftist we have now.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:07 pm
82. OJ, I’ve never posted anything about the Africa charge. Yes, I have read things about Palin in Alaska newspapers and judged for myself the veracity of the stories. It’s not that hard to tell the truth from the smears. But, almost everything I post about Palin are my own observations from seeing her speak, or reading what she is up to.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Alex, that is not what I said. I said that Palin gave Gibson his own definition of what the ever evolving notion of what the Bush Doctrine was. Did she give him the most recent definition of the imaginary doctrine…NO, BUT she gave him the definition he was peddling around at the end of 2001 and 2002!!!
I’m sure you’re familiar with this article by your hero Krauthammer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html
September 1st, 2009 at 2:43 pm
GetReal, All I have to say to you is…GETREAL. The only reason most Palin comments are linked to Romney, on here, is because it is always the same few Romney supporters who attack Palin every time something goes okay for her. That is your honest survey of the Rombots?
September 1st, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Well Jersey, in fairness to Get Real, even though most of the anti-Palinites are Romneyites, there are other camps both here and on other sites that have their own anti-Palinite clowns. It is true that right now, the Romney-Palin contest is the most bitter, but we will see how the cookie crumbles over the next few years. There are a few Romneyites who try to get a handle on the extremists. As things heat up. It will be interesting to see how well the Pawlentyites keep their people on the reservation.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:45 pm
OJ said “BTW, Illinoisguy, yes you for one to be fair are not fooled by Mr. Obama. However, many of your fellow anti-Palinites were fooled enough by him to give him a chance. Real freaking swell.”
Not true! Very few (like two or three) threaten to not vote for the party. We have around 60 regular commenters on here for Romney. Now, go to C4P, and way over half of them profess that they would leave the party if Palin were to run 3rd party. That is what is dispicable, when a huge percentage would guarantee Obama another 4 years by voting 3rd party. Jersey is just one of a ton of people who have outwardly expressed that they will either not vote for Mitt, or vote third party should Sarah put her candidacy or weight in that direction. You need to clean your own house up instead of worrying about a very small percentage of Romney supporters who are in states that don’t matter, and they know they don’t.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Illinois, actually I never mentioned Sarah Palin as running 3rd Party…there is no chance she will ever run third party!!! I was speaking of some hypothetical person that probably does not exist. Why is it wrong for me wanting Romney to prove himself to me? What is wrong with that? Should I just give him my vote even though I despise him? Well, maybe not despise him but I dislike him with much fervor.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Illinois, actually I never mentioned Sarah Palin as running 3rd Party…there is no chance she will ever run third party!!! I was speaking of some hypothetical person that probably does not exist. Why is it wrong for me wanting Romney to prove himself to me? What is wrong with that? Should I just give him my vote even though I despise him? Well, maybe not despise him but I dislike him with much fervor.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:17 pm
I didn’t mention you relative to third party. You just flat said you wouldn’t vote for Mitt PERIOD, unless he proves himself to you of course..whatever the heck that would take!!! He’s the most conservative well-qualified candidate we’ve had in a very long time, and if he hasn’t done it by now, I have no idea what it would take. All Palin had to do is wear her little short skirt, and talk about how great of a moose hunter she is and how much of a renegade she is, and you druel all over her. She absolutely has fallen on her face in numberous instances, and none of that matters to you guys. But Mitt ROmney can do everything right year after year, and you would withhold your vote, which means you are giving half a vote to Obama! Other than Mitt doing exactly what he has been doing for the last three years, what more would it take for you????
September 1st, 2009 at 6:59 pm
85 – Well, you can tell me to “Get Real” but I’m not the one who would vote for Obama over one of the most likely Republican nominees, you are.
September 1st, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Another reason why you should get real…I NEVER said I would vote for Obama…I NEVER WOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!! I might not vote if Romney is our nominee but I would never vote for Obama. That’s not entirely true, if NJ was sooo close that I thought my vote mattered then I would vote for Romney.
September 1st, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Illinois, I resent that comment but I, quite frankly, would expect nothing more from you. You seem like a good enough guy but you are a little too much invested in this race. I endorse and support Palin because I like her politics and I think she is the next Reagan. There has not been one Republican who can deliver a speech the way she was able to, at the announcement and the convention, since Reagan. If she’s prepared…she will be unbeatable…as long as she gets a relatively fair shake from the MSM!!! Never have I mentioned her looks in relation to my support of her…do I find her attractive? Sure, she’s attractive enough…but that’s not why I support her!!! Do you support Romney for his looks…because he did look nice on Hannity the other week, so maybe you can be blamed for the same thing. Does Martha or knickers support Romney because of his soft, manageable hair…I don’t know but I don’t throw that question around…so I’d appreciate it if you gave me the same respect!!!
September 1st, 2009 at 8:40 pm
If Mitt is our nominee, NJ will be in play along with the vast majority of other states that Obama won.
I resent a lot of comments that you ‘so called’ Palinites say about us. Sometimes I tend to fight fire with fire more than I should, but I’ll never see Palin the way you describe her…not even close. Try looking at the way she has fallen so far in the polls an realize that it is her that has put herself there, not the MSM. They go after her precisely because of the way in which she reacts. They would absolutlely love it if they can keep her name out in the front enough that she would be our nominee…just look at the favorabilities and match ups against Obama….she’s dead last, along with a 2nd tier Gingrich.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:05 pm
NJ will never be in play! I actually still think there is a good chance Christie will lose the election.
2012, is years away and anything can happen between now and then.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Ohio,
We don’t hate palin. We use her for comic relief. Apparently so will the folks she’ll be speaking too.
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:00 am
“If Mitt is our nominee, NJ will be in play along with the vast majority of other states that Obama won.
” It may be in play, but it is not a swing state even if Mr. Romney is the nominee. Other than that, I do not intend to get into a contest with you, IllinoisGuy per se, but I will say this. I for one am no ‘so-called’ Palinite, I am a Palinite and I am bloody proud of it. Even if I have to vote for your candidate because my candidate is no longer in the race, I will still be true to myself and my beliefs; I shall remain a Palinite ideologically. I am proud of what Mrs. Palin stands for and if you think that there is nothing more to Palinism than Moose stew, you have not been paying attention. I do not care how unpopular, Mrs. Palin may or may not be, I am a proud Palinite, I am not a so-called Palinite.
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:39 am
knickers and Martha…for lack of a better word…are liars. If what you do cannot be explained as hatred for Palin, then you have some serious issues. Hate is a natural human emotion and could explain the lengths you take to discredit this woman, that did nothing to you except take Romney’s VP slot, which he wasn’t in the running for anyway, and will probably take his nomination, that isn’t his to take. But you guys are obsessed with her and her demise…so it’s either hate or derangement…which is it?
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 am
Ohio. Romney is too smart to pick someone as empty as Palin. No, we don’t hate her. I just don’t respect her. Big difference. Would I pay to see her? no. I have better use of my time.
I am not obsessed with her demise. She’s doing that all on her own! I never hire a quitter. I only hire winners. She’s not a winner. I just want her to go home and raise that family she clamis she cares so damm much about. THEN we’ll talk. Some things are more important than the next big job.
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:31 am
and hey, if money is improtant to her, go for it. so long as it’s not MY money paying for her pumps and unprofessionally short skirts and hair extensions.
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
“Ohio. Romney is too smart to pick someone as empty as Palin” Good, I really hope you are right. Let some other sucker be the VP.
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:17 pm
98. Jersey, harsh words, but whatever. I don’t have to prove my motivations to you or anyone else.
I don’t take politics personally like some here. I want the best nominee. If my aversion to Palin being our nominee is interpreted as hatred for her personally, I’m sorry for that, but it’s just not true. If I met Palin, I’m sure I would find her very likable.
Hate is an emotion. I reserve my emotions for personal things.