Fox News/Opinion Dynamics 2012 GOP Nomination (UPDATED)
Among Republicans
- Mitt Romney 22% (18%)
- Mike Huckabee 21% (20%)
- Sarah Palin 17% (13%)
- Rudy Giuliani 13% (12%)
- Newt Gingrich 9% (14%)
- Bobby Jindal 3% (3%)
- Jeb Bush 1% (3%)
- Tim Pawlenty 1%
- Mark Sanford 0% (4%)
- Too soon to say 10% (7%)
Among Independents
- Mitt Romney 22% (12%)
- Rudy Giuliani 16% (19%)
- Mike Huckabee 15% (16%)
- Sarah Palin 13% (10%)
- Mark Sanford 5% (2%)
- Newt Gingrich 3% (5%)
- Bobby Jindal 3% (2%)
- Jeb Bush 2% (2%)
- Tim Pawlenty 2%
- Too soon to say 8% (14%)
Among Republicans/Independents (Combined)
- Mitt Romney 22.0%
- Mike Huckabee 18.8%
- Sarah Palin 15.5%
- Rudy Giuliani 14.1%
- Newt Gingrich 6.8%
- Bobby Jindal 3.0%
- Mark Sanford 1.9%
- Jeb Bush 1.4%
- Tim Pawlenty 1.4%
- Too soon to say 9.3%
What do you think is the best job for Sarah Palin now that she has resigned as governor of Alaska?
- Homemaker 32%
- Television Talk Show Host 17%
- Vice-President of the United States 14%
- College Professor 10%
- President of the United States 6%
Among Republicans
- Vice-President of the United States 27%
- Homemaker 18%
- Television Talk Show Host 14%
- President of the United States 12%
- College Professor 7%
Among Independents
- Homemaker 34%
- Television Talk Show Host 15%
- Vice-President of the United States 11%
- College Professor 8%
- President of the United States 4%
Do you have a generally favorable or unfavorable opinion of Sarah Palin?
- Favorable 38%
- Unfavorable 51%
Among Independents
- Favorable 33%
- Unfavorable 55%
In the next congressional election in 2010, are you more likely to vote for the Democrat to help Barack Obama pass his policies and programs; or are you more likely to vote for the Republican to provide a check on Obama’s power?
- Vote for Democrat 43% (47%)
- Vote for Republican 38% (35%)
Survey of 900 registered voters, including 303 registered Republicans and 180 registered Independents, was conducted July 21-22. The margin of error is +/- 3 percentage points; +/- 6 percentage points among registered Republicans; +/- 7 percentage points among registered Independents. Results from the poll conducted May 12-13 are in parentheses.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Thanks for posting this Aron. I recall last time the Huck supporters were upset it (Fox Poll) got no attention in the news, now they will probably be hoping it’s buried and never spoken of. The only thing I get from it is that Sanford’s peeps went to Romney and Palin.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Looks like Newt lost people to the other top three as well.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Haha, where did Mr. Sanford’s 4% go?
July 27th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Why are they polling Rudy? I voted for the guy and he would make a great President, but he isn’t running in 2012. At best, Rudy will be 2 years into his term as Governor of New York in 2012.
Republicans also seem to be realizing that Newt isn’t running. So you take the percentages for people who most likely aren’t going to run (Rudy, Newt, Jeb, and Bobby Jindal) and you combine that with those who feel it is “too soon to say”, you get 36% of the electorate up for grabs.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Where did Pawlenty’s 3 go?
The tell tale story of this poll is this:
Homemaker 32%
Television Talk Show Host 17%
Vice-President of the United States 14%
College Professor 10%
President of the United States 6%
With 94% of the population thinking she should be doing something else, its going to be really hard to muster 50% if she runs for POTUS.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
And Palin amongst Republicans only:
Vice-President of the United States 27%
Homemaker 18%
Television Talk Show Host 14%
President of the United States 12%
College Professor 7%
With 88% of Republicans thinking she should be doing something else, how does she get to 50%?
July 27th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Cool! Palin increased by 4%! As did Romney!
July 27th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Nate — I wasn’t upset last time about anything — but why in the world should I be looking for a burial? As the poll itself says, Romney bested Huckabee by only ONE POINT — Romney is at 22, Huck is at 21 (each of them INCREASED from 18 and 20, respectively); they are truly statistically tied — as they always are — well within the MOE. Every single poll shows that — we will begin where we left off — if both of them run — and I am fairly certain both of them will run.
I think you are right, however, that Sanford’s votes predominantly went to Romney and Palin. Newt split equally, since he is a man for all seasons.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Kris,
If Huck announces sometime in early 2011 that he’s not running, you going to make the call?
We can probably bank on a split between Romney and Palin for Rudy’s votes given what transpired with Sanford.
I don’t think we can bank on a split between Romney and Palin for Huck’s votes.
If Palin is out, Romney and Huck probably split.
I’m surprised there’s not more mo for Jindal and Pawlenty.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
The critical thing about Sanford was never that he was going to win the nomination. At most, he could have gotten the VP nod. Sanford’s importance was that his prescence in the race would have made the S.C. primary less meaningful. Now, the Palmetto State has no favorite son candidate (unless Jim DeMint decides to run), and S.C. will once again be the gateway to the South (it probably shouldn’t be, but it is).
July 27th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Haha. Homemaker. I love it.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
“With 88% of Republicans thinking she should be doing something else, how does she get to 50%?” Unless it is a two way contest, nobody is going to 50%. Not that is matter anymore, but many of you guys just want her in the kitchen. I imagine that she can cook a pretty good Moose stew, but there are a some women who can succeed outside of the kitchen as well, but hey I know I know, we can’t have some woman from a Alaska running the country can we?
July 27th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
I always believed this would be a Mitt, Huck, Sarah three-way tie race going into 2012, and that the calender would end up dictating the winner.
With only 12% of Republicans thinking that Sarah is best suited to be POTUS, I am forced to call this a two-way tied race going into 2012 with the calender determining the winner.
Thankfully, that probably means that Mitt will win if the calender remains unchanged. It won’t, however.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
All this polling is way way way premature. I remember when Rudy was at 38 percent and a full double digits above his GOP opponents.
Keep an eye on Thune. He has the potential outpace any of the others on the list.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
In an interview with MSNBC on Friday, Rudy said that he may run for governor in 2010 or president in 2012.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
#8
Here is the quote I’m referring to form the last FOX poll. Obviously it wasn’t you but some other upset Huck supporter.
“I’m so angry! I watched tv all weekend looking for any mention of this poll. Not one! I think it’s because Mike flat-out won and the media just can’t acknowledge it.”
July 27th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
OJ
“but many of you guys just want her in the kitchen”
I know this is terrible, but…
If we surveyed her supporters, we might find there are some other rooms they want her in, too.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
The thing about this poll is that Hillary would probably get a plurality for “homemaker” as well.
I’m surprised more Democrats didn’t hit the “homemaker” option for Palin. I can see upward of 70% of Republican respondents telling the poll questioner that Hillary should be a homemaker.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
#14:
It would probably help if they polled Thune along with several others (Barbour, Daniels, etc.). A full 37% of the electorate did not choose any of the Big Three. There is room here for another candidate to move in as a consensus choice, an undivisive nominee.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
#13
That being said, how much influence over who the eventual nominee is then is in the hands of the committee that is setting the calendar?
July 27th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Even some fellow Republicans that don’t want to see her as president…
July 27th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
A lot. Defintive, probably.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
“If we surveyed her supporters, we might find there are some other rooms they want her in, too.” Hahaha
July 27th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Yes, offering me those special buns of hers for my Hebrew National hot dog.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
#20:
A great deal. Everyone acknowledges that Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada are going to first out of the starting gate. Besides from those four, who really knows which states will come next. I know Florida will want to go early again, but so do a lot of other states.
If say Texas for example is right up front, that could be really good news for Mike Huckabee, who would probably be the favorite there against Romney. If instead Wisconsin is really early, that might help Tim Pawlenty. Or if Utah is early, that will help Mitt Romney.
Playing to the calendar is vital for all the candidates. Rudy arguably lost his shot at the nomination because the best states for him (NY, NJ, CA etc.), all came too late in the process for him to jump-start his campaign.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
So who makes up the Republican Temporary Delegate Selection Committee?
RNC CHAIRMAN MICHAEL STEELE ANNOUNCES APPOINTMENTS TO TEMPORARY DELEGATE SELECTION COMMITTEE
WASHINGTON – Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Michael Steele today announced the appointment of Ohio National Committeeman Bob Bennett, Wisconsin National Committeeman Steve King, Florida National Committeeman Paul Senft, former Maryland Secretary of State Mary Kane, former Michigan Republican Party Chairman Saul Anuzis, former Office of Personnel Management Director Kay James, former Iowa Republican Party Chairman Brian Kennedy, former White House Spanish media spokesperson Mercy Schlapp, and former New Hampshire Attorney General Tom Rath to the RNC Temporary Delegate Selection Committee.
“I am proud to announce the appointments of this impressive group of people to the RNC Temporary Delegate Selection Committee. They are all exceptionally qualified people and I look forward to working with them in the future,” said Chairman Steele.
http://frontloading.blogspot.com/2009/05/gop-temporary-delegate-selection.html
July 27th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Man o man, is this site goin off the rail.
Hey everybody, imagine this, Palin and Hucklebee campaign and then run in the Iowa GOP POTUS primary.
Now, who do you think’s gonna win that?
Hint, last name begins with the letter “P”.
Or, imagine this, Palin and Romney campaign and then run in the NH GOP POTUS primary?
Now, who do you think’s gonna win that?
Hint, last name ends with the letter “N”.
Simply compare the excitement, crowds, etc. at the Palin apperances with those of Huckabee or Romney — or skill and attraction at retail politics.
Palin’s gonna run away with this!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Can you help me sort out who these committee members supported last time.? That could be important.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
It is just too early to tell. I don’t believe in polls. Mitt Romney won’t get the nominee in 2012.
He is not conservative. I would like to see Newt Gingrich run for President–he is a true conservative. I don’t think he will run.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
27 – You don’t appear to read the posts you respond to but if the race is determined by who brags the most you may even outpace us Romney supporters.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Aron, do you have that link for the Rudy interview?
July 27th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
#27:
If you are counting on Iowa to prove the power of retail politics and crowds, you are sadly mistaken. Iowa is a place where organization counts. Romney’s campaign built up a strong infrastructure in Iowa and Huckabee supporting evangelicals built him a strong network. It is the on-the-ground organization that wins the day in Iowa. If you want to prove the power of retail politics, go to New Hampshire “the grip and grin capital of the world”.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Giuliani on health care
July 24: Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani discusses President Barack Obama’s timetable to pass the health care reform, and whether it will hurt him.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32125793#32125793
July 27th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Exactly right.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Wow. Rudy is up there. Go Rudy! Great job to Mitt romney. Obviously he is doing some things right. I’m a little dissappointed that Huck isn’t going after the voters. I know, he has his show, but he really isn’t campaigning(despite what some would say).
July 27th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
I don’t have a clue who most of them are, except I believe Anuzis, Kennedy, Rath, were a Romney supporter in ’08.
But the state line-up is interesting. OH, WI, FL, MD, MI, IA, NH.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
29. Anonymous – What you think and what will happen are two totally different things. By you repeating it over and over again does not mean it won’t happen. Newt has NO CHANCE. Romney has a GREAT CHANCE. Reality might suck for you, but it’s time to face it.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Palin’s pretty much at a low point right now, but let’s see what happens in a year, when she tries to rebuild her reputation. I don’t think she can sink any lower than 40%, so there’s nowhere to go but up.
Romney had really high negatives in 2008 and his favorables were stuck in the 20s. He is the real electoral poison.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
38 – Shall we take this as more evidence to support your self-professed preference of Romney over Palin and Huckabee?
Seriously, don’t be the Tom Cruise of Huck’s Army.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I see that a lot of people agree with me that Palin should be focusing on her young children right now, and that she is not presidential material.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Lol at Mr 1% T/Paw.
Mitt has never done well with Fox News polls so if he’s winning this it’s basically all over – yes even 3 years from the convention.
Time to get on board the Mitt Express haters.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
41 – its far from over, and this poll doesn’t mean much but it is a good sign that he’s moving up.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
These polls are going to come and go, but Romney is the slow and steady wins the race guy.
We’ve now seen Sanford flame out, and Palin losing ground/continuing to make questionable decisions. I doubt Palin can re-make herself now, as everyone hoped she would. She was supposed to go back to Alaska, be a good governor and build her creds. But she was not able or willing to do it – the hard work of becoming qualified. I don’t care how many speeches she gives in the coming months, she can never erase the big quit. We know she won’t write her own book, and probably not her own speeches. When Palin does her own writing, it shows. She does not have the intellectual heft to pull off a credible run.
So who’s left? Huck, Romney and the 2nd tier. Heath is dead right. The only thing left to do is watch it all play out. It’s Romney’s to lose, and moreso with each passing week.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Flip Dixon: You’re a liar: “Romney had really high negatives in 2008 and his favorables were stuck in the 20s.”
Show us just one poll that his favorables were even close to being in the 20′s.
You wont’ even find one under 35, maybe not even under 40.. you’re just a really big liar!
July 27th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Tommy Boy: “The thing about this poll is that Hillary would probably get a plurality for “homemaker” as well.”
Not a chance. Hillary does not have children at home. Palin has very young children at home.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
The most insane and hilarious part of this poll is Palin as a college professor
College Professor 10% of all voters, 7% of Repbulican voters.
The question that begs asking is what college? The online College of Nigeria?
July 27th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Nobody’s heard of Pawlenty, and fewer than you think have heard of Jindal. Romney has a bigger hurdle than the poll indicates in Huck and McCain supporters from 2008 turned off by his negative campaigning; he has some fences to mend. Huck is in danger of being isolated as the candidate of the Religious Right, especially if Palin is out.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
waterseeds — “Go Rudy”??? Huh! I thought you were completely insistent on someone pro life, right?
July 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
#46, yeah, that one was good for a chuckle? Can you imagine the snickering?
July 27th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
It is in the interest of Romney and his supporters to appear that he is slowly but surely marching towards the nomination. After all, we Republicans have a rather nasty habit of rallying quickly behind a front-runner once the process gets going. If Palin and Huckabee were Romney’s only contenders, than yes, he probably would be slowly, inevitably marching towards the nomination, but that is not the case. There are going to be a fair number of 2nd tier candidates who run as well. People like Pawlenty, Barbour and Daniels. With 37% of respondents in this poll not going with the Big Three, there is room for the rest of the field to manuever.
Yes, right now, Romney is probably the front-runner by a hair over Huckabee and Palin, but none of them are home and there is still a long, long way to go.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Rasmussen August 6-7, 8-9, 2007 poll:
16% definitely vote for Romney
44% definitely vote against Romney
According to Rasmussen, Romney had the highest “against” number of all the first-tier 2008 candidates.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Romney’s doing okay at the moment because everyone around him is self-destructing.
At some point, a legitimate conservative will rise up and challenge Mitten.
Then Mittens will fold like a cheap pup tent.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
This has absolutely nothing to do with favorables and unfavorables. FLIP…are you too stupid to know that?
For example, in today’s poll, do you not realize that 22% would be saying they vote for Mitt, and 78% would be saying they would vote against him?
July 27th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
illinoisguy 48,
yeah, i am. I wouldn’t support rudy in a primary, but i believe he would appoint strict constructionist judges. He’s not a pro-lifers dream candidate by any means, but i think he would make a good VP. I like Rudy’s leadership style. Good man, even though he has done some very bad things personally.
If Rudy ran, it probably wouldn’t matter to me…..well maybe it would make it harder for romney to win the nomination. I really hope pawlenty starts climbing.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
i dont think Romneys hurdle is any bigger than Hucks (isolated group) or Palins (she lost as VP)
saw today that the economy still is the biggest issue on Americans minds as to favorability ratings. The good news with that was that the respondents are starting to lay blame at Obamas feet for the first time which had not happened previous.
assuming economy stays top then that favors Hucks collective message and Romneys economic expertise.
bottom line there is still too much time and quite frankly too many choices in the list.
intriguing that Rudy is moving up
July 27th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
#53, If you look at the Pew Research Center Poll for early Feb 2008, Romney’s favorables/unfavorables were 30/44. They were 29/35 in December 2007.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
The less people see of Mitten, the more they like him.
When he actually ran for office in 2007-2008, his favorabilty ratings were awful.
Now they’ve rebounded somewhat, largely due to his low profile.
Perhaps he can run in 2012 without actually appearing in public…it’s worth a shot.
July 27th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Sorry, Flipper, but when you have 26% undecided in both polls, you can’t act as if its sitting at 29 and 30 for favorables. I saw polls showing Pawlenty and Palin in the teens, why? because of tons of people who had not formed opinions.
July 27th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
They’ve rebounded because he has been doing everything right!!!
And if you think he has been low profile, you simply haven’t been paying attention. Nobody has campaigned for others as much as Mitt…none of the pacs have given as much…nobody has given as many speeches lately, and nobody has written as many OpEDs in the last 9 months? Enough?
July 27th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Nice try #58, but the polls say what they say.
Romney had horrible unfavorables, and middling favorables.
This is not going to magically change over the next four years.
He will lose the primary in 2012. Get used to it.
July 27th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
It’s already changed FLIPPER, try 57 38 recently
July 27th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Illinois, why argue with Flip? It’s like trying to talk sense into an algae bloom.
July 27th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
#61, when Romney starts opening his mouth again, especially about Romneycare — it’s back to 30/45.
Those numbers make Palin look good by comparison. At least she has 40% of the people in her corner.
July 27th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Glen Beck on Romneycare:
July 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
I’m not worried about Romneycare, or Flip. She’s nuts.
July 27th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Senator Bunning isn’t running for re-election in KY! Check out foxnews.com for the article. That means Rand Paul is running to replace him. Hope he gets it. A true conservative voice! Go Dr. Paul….er ummmmm, the other Dr. Paul(Ron Paul’s son)!
July 27th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
#27
Jack, has anyone recommended rehab to you? Get off the MLM type Palin hype websites and come down to reality.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
If you don’t worry about Romneycare, Martha, then you are obviously not a conservative.
But that’s been pretty obvious for a while now.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Liberal Flip Dixon
Still have your liberal talking points I see. Romney is the most Conservative candidate out there. But being a closet liberal, you just don’t even know what a conservative is.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Well, I don’t dislike Sarah Palin, I just think President is a job for mature,someone who can concentrate on the issues we will be facing… Someone who can manage people with great management skills..and loves this country…I will repeat something I heard yesterday…Stop lying!!!! Enough, and get your facts straight…check these links…http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2009/07/08/obama-vs-romne… and: http://www.heritage.org./Research/HealthCAre/wm1045.cfm Now, as far as Huckabee goes, I can’t get over and never will that an Evangelical Preacher would attack anothers religion. Says to me much about character, and his gaffes were always in bad taste and were at anothers expense..Mitt was always forgiving and just continued about His business, never holding a grudge..My President has to measure up in so many ways and Mitt Romney is the guy that gets it…I hope you can come to that realization, but please no untruths. The Truth will set you to Freedom!!!!!Romney 2012…..
July 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
FlipDixon: #64
Go to Cato institute and find out who the Cannon is, He has an agenda. Then go to Pacific Research Institute and see who Sally Pipes is, and see her agenda.
Come on, You can do better than that. Becks show was manipulated to come to the desired conclusion, I guess your one of those gullable viewers they were aiming for.
This explains why you believe what you do about Mitt.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Thunder 69,
Obviously you are smoking some good stuff. “Romney is the most Conservative candidate out there.”
Whatever you say. Lol. Romney isn’t even the most conservative person out of the left side of the front page. Huck is more conservative, Palin is more conservative, pawlenty is more conservative, jindal, hunstman, gingrich, bush are all more conservative than romney. Now that doesn’t have to be bad thing….unless you want a conservative candidate. For crying out loud. Quit drinking the cool-aid. If you want to support him, that’s fine. But let’s not paint a picture of conservatism being represented by romney. The man….as a conservative…..as a true conservative is inconsistent at best. At worse, well i won’t go into that. I think i’ve made my point. Romney will campaign as a moderate in 2012. That’s where his niche is right now. Independants and moderates.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
this was a fox poll? Yahoo! Mitt must be doing very well!
July 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
11. adam. It would be a first for her.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
#73;
Yes, and Mitt has been staying above the fray for a month, and still has good numbers, only coming out to write op eds.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
#71, Beck actually said many supportive things about Mitt in 2008!
Why would he attack Mitt unless he had a good reason?
July 27th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
#76;
Beck is in love with Palin.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
No, waterseeds, Huckabee is not more conservative than Mitt. He’s much more of a populist than Mitt.
They are both very socially conservative, but on the economy, it’s a no brainer; Mitt is much more conservative.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
flip, he does not want to be seen as someone who supports Mitt only because they share the same faith. He’s said it before.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Martha, we are both mother’s of special needs children. (mine are not the same as yours and Palins, but special needs all the same). We know how much time, effort and love is required for these special and wonderful children. these children are being shortchanged. And yes, it sounds ‘sexist’, but if more women thought of their children before their career’s, we’d have a better world.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Beck is good on his investigation stuff, like ACORN, but he seems a little unstable sometimes.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
First of all,America really need to get the economy recover why poll after poll Mitt is the lead,because Mitt is the hope of America now and America don’t want to repeat mistake again and America begin to see their real leader Mitt,if America saw their true leader last year,America will be better off now.What ever the poll will give every body happy or not but one thing that no one can’t deny is the economy,the country is prosperity by the economy,the nation is moving by the economy,the America people are living by the economy,health care will run with the economy,church will pray after the economy.Mitt is the America dream,Mitt will defeat Obama by landslide in 2012 because the economy matter, America are too tired of starve and can’t wait until 2012,even 2010 America can’t keep their life without food any more.America can’t accept the change from Kenya’s systerm, it doesn’t fit America style.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Beck will be the first one to come out against Romney this time. Beck is more a libertarian and he likes Palin. So if Palin is running, than watch Beck starting gunning for Romney.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Obviously you don’t know what a conservative is. Neither Huck nor Palin are conservatives, their populists. They may be social conservatives but their not Fiscal conservatives, not even close. Same goes for Palenty, just check his record. Jindal, Huntsman, and Gingrich are not even worth considering.
And I would suggest if anyone is drinking the cool-aide, it is you. I just don’t know where guys like you get off be telling me what a conservative is. Check the records of each of these candidates, and you will see Romney governed more conservative that most of them. The real record, not the ones that guys like you make up in your mind. And not the laws that passed despite Romney’s veto’s or laws that where changes since he left office.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Anyone who backs Palin the quitter loses respect in my eyes. This is especially true of Rush.
I would like someone to please tell me what Palin has accomplished, this populism of Palin is beyond the pale. There is not substance to the her.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Huntsman is far left of all the candidates that wateredseeds mentioned. We’ve talked about him quite a bit and I have pointed out in the past that he was a big government governor. Kris researched and posted a link showing the growth of the Utah budget during Leavitt’s and Huntsman’s governorships. They both grew government a lot, but Huntsman took the cake. As I recall he grew the budget by 11% while Leavitt grew it by 7%.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Please, let’s try and run an adult in 2012. Not someone with a resume that is excised, edited and cropped of all meaningful accomplishment.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
It is time for the Romneyites to look in the mirror and ask why Mr. Beck, Mr. Limbaugh and so many other in talk radio have jumped from Mr. Romney’s ship. It is all fine and well to trash Mrs. Palin, but they obviously left the Romney camp because Mr. Romney was missing something. Hopefully, for his sake, he’ll get his act together and find it.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Yes Beck is very hot and bothered for Palin.
Here is his interview of him. At 0:54 he remarks “you are one hot grandma”. Just watch his face, what a creep. She’s married, he’s married. He licks his lips. It is completely unprofessional, and an all time low for someone who is often unprofessional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Nl_9yFgHU
July 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Ohio, it is very simple why Rush and Beck have gotten BEHIND Palin. Can I spell it out any simpler than that?
July 27th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
O C’mon, there are lot of hot women out there.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
80. Knickers, Amen to that!
90. DanL. Amen to that, too. It’s quite clear what’s going on.
85. Thunder, Yes, I would also like to know what Palin has accomplished. She’s made out to be some sort of remarkable governor, but what has she done? In Alaska, she has a rep for not following through on even her most important goals. Now she up and quits because she can’t take the heat. Sorry, I don’t get it. And I’ve read about as much info on Palin as is available.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
“O C’mon, there are lot of hot women out there.”
An argument which has absolutely nothing to do with Beck’s and Rush’s slobbering crush on Palin.
Care to name some other hot women that are running for national office which are being ignored by Beck and Rush. More specifically, can you name another hot woman running for president?
…sound of crickets…
I didn’t think so.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
91. OJ, The day Palin was chosen, Rush and others started slobbering. Some of these guys just aren’t thinking with their heads.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
93. DanL. Great minds think alike!
July 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Martha, lol. But I have to give credit to Bernie Goldberg for ripping off the title of his book A Slobbering Love Affair.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
“Care to name some other hot women that are running for national office.” You just made my case, just because a woman is hot does not mean she is qualified to be a politician, but in this case, a great politician just also happens to be hot. That is what kind of bugs people does it not. Society says that hot women should be in the kitchen and playing house even if she is fit for office.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
No OJ, you miss the point. I don’t think anyone wants Palin to stay out of politics because she’s hot. LOL. They want her to stay out because she’s in over her head.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
“…just because a woman is hot does not mean she is qualified to be a(n) (elected official)…”
Exactly.
“…but in this case, a great (elected official) just also happens to be hot.”
Oh, you mean that great governor who up and quit for no good reason?
Or that great governor who has been a lame duck since coming back to AK after the 2008 general?
“There’s no doubt that Alaska’s state government has been paralyzed since Palin’s return, with anger and frustration emanating from both the governor’s office and the state legislature. All of Palin’s major bills failed to pass this year’s first 90-day session. But conversations with both Republican and Democratic legislators reveal that Palin’s inability to get anything done has little to do with the media attacks the Alaska governor claims drove her from office. The lawmakers say it has more to do with how national exposure changed her, moving her much further to the right than she had been and making her nearly impossible to work with. And state Republicans seem just as incensed about it as the Democrats. [...]
[U]pon returning to Juneau last fall, “she managed to alienate most of the 60 members of [the Alaska] House and Senate,” says Larry Persily, an aide to state Republican Representative Mike Hawker. “It wasn’t a matter of burning bridges — she blew them up.” [...]
“The little bit of time she spent on policy, she devoted … to issues of national merit,” says Republican Representative Jay Ramras. “It wasn’t when but how she was going to throw Alaska under the bus.” But even as Palin grandstanded on her opposition to the funds and her willingness to withstand what she called “the slings and arrows” from both parties, she failed to communicate the specifics of her positions and dismissed lawmakers. When it came to legislative matters of any substance, “we got very little information from the state,” says Republican House Speaker Mike Chenault. “All I wanted was to know what her response was…. There were many times we couldn’t get a clear answer.” “We couldn’t get any decisions out of the governor,” says Persily, who spent two years working in the Alaska governor’s Washington office. “It had nothing to do with critics harping at her — it was a lack of attention to governing.”"
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/019240.php
July 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
“Society says that hot women should be in the kitchen and playing house even if she is fit for office.”
She just proved in the most black and white manner that she could have, by quitting, that she isn’t fit for office. It is really frightening that there are so many zealots willing to run off the edge of the cliff with her.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
#93;
Dan:
I’m a Romney supporter, and I don’t care if they go back to him or not, I just think it’s really sickening how they are gushing over her.
Beck really bashed Romney in a way only Beck can do, by not telling the truth. After that I stoped watching him. Rush too, He is more and more over the top when he talks about Palin, not listening to him as ofter either.
Rush talking about Palin on Gretta’s interview was over the top. Not one of them can talk about the issues
agreed on, it’s all about how she can attract crowds. I don’t know what they have in mind for her, but I don’t want her to be the face of the Republican Party.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
It is Sarah Palin all the way, her resignation speech is great, especially at
the end when she stressed the fact that this administration is destroying this
nation, with pessemism,and also apologetic for the USA .,and “dizzying debts” , big
government, the anti-thesis of Obama’s policies. Such issues will be a sneak
preview of what people will want to hear , voters,conservatives in both thhe
republican and democratic parties as well as independents.Watch for her stomping
speeches starting with Iowa and beyond.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
“It is really frightening that there are so many zealots willing to run off the edge of the cliff with her.” Wow, who said anything about running off the cliff, it was the Obamicans who ran us into the ground by giving us Mr. Obama.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
The liberals just elected a rock star with no experience. The country is going to hell and a hand basket. Now to remedy that the republicans want to elect a rock star with no experience.
Martha, I admit I agree with you. Long ago when you kept pointing things out about Palin, I brushed it off as you being angry that Romney was not selected. But many of your points are spot on.
I just don’t understand why Hannity, Greta, Beck, etc would want to hire someone with minimal experience. It just doesn’t make sense.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Texas – that reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vouJBurjOM
July 27th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Texas, you are so reasoning today that I have to place you in the rarified category of Huck supporters that I like. Mac being the other one.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Bingo! a hot woman can’t fit in a national office as a hot man be came a president like Obama,but he just can speech can’t do it. The taste of campaign is too sweet but the job in office is too boring why Sarah quit from gov and will prepare to go around the country for campaign but she is not the nominee in 2012,even if she becomes president she can’t take the job as she can’t finish the gov,so republican just very tired of the hot man and they won give the nominee for the hot woman at this time.America need the country go forward and they will give the job for the right man,for the strong leader,and for the economy export Mitt Romney in 2013.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Thanks DanL.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
“I just don’t understand why Hannity, Greta, Beck, etc would want to hire someone with minimal experience. It just doesn’t make sense.”
I think that, perhaps, the power brokers see her as being easy to mold. Kristol is one of the ultimate insiders and he is selling her hard as well.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Texas, thanks and I agree with Dan.
109. Alex Knepper made that case a week or so ago. Eveyone wants to get credit for making Palin. But now even Kristol is starting to see the light.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
#109
DanL:
Your right for the most part, but Rush, Glenn, Lavine, Et al are just radio hosts with abnormal egos, I’m not sure they have that much power. But I think they do think they can mold her into what they want which is the new Reagan.
people will begin to wander why she has so many enemies and why nothing is ever her fault. Then one by one she’ll start ticking them off too.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
google the July 15 Wall Street Journal article “Poor Persecuted Sarah Palin”
It’s about the rise of Palin and how she got where she is now. It is very interesting to say the least.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Flip, you’re utter disdain for Romney really raises some serious red flags about your intelligence. It’s ok to disagree with Mitt on some things, but to spend all your time replying to pundent anaylsis and frequent polls, its laughable. There are other candidates to like, and you’re more than willing to vote for Sarah, Mike or anyone else for that matter when the time comes, but please, get a grip with your jealous hatred for Romney. The guy has made a living successfully reviving businesses and a once damaged winter olympics; and despite what you claim, has been the most successful governor from the state of Massachustts in a very long time. You try governing on a Conservative platter when the majority of your constituents are from a Liberal think-tank. He did the best he possbly could. There are things I like about Sarah and others, and there is a long way to go, but Romney has led most polls (despite all these random numbers you appear to be throwing out) for a reason. That doesn’t mean he’s a lock to win the nomination in 2012. But please, don’t foolishly discard that huge chunk of the electorate pie that supports him. You only throw away your own credibility when you do that, if you happen to have any left
July 28th, 2009 at 2:34 am
It wouldn’t matter one whit what Palin looks like if she was a wonderful politician who could run our country in the direction it needs. That issue would, and should quickly be dropped. To read the low minded trash written about Palin on this site because she is a nice looking woman is disturbing. However, when I listen to Palin speak I get the same feeling I did when I heard (and still hear) Obama speak. It sounds wonderful. But they are words without meaning to me. Give me someone I know cannot be dragged through the dirt. Give me, as someone said here, a grownup. Give me a person with experience. A leader. A person who has proven he can bring about real change, who can turn negatives into positives. Give me Mitt Romney in 2012.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:37 am
I hope everyone watches the part of Palin’s speech where she mentions the deaths of 3 soldiers and then immediately, with a smile and exitement, launches into her attack on the media. It’s about 3 minutes, 5 seconds or so into the speech. She does not pause respectfully after mentioning the fallen soldiers, but goes right to her chastisment of the media. To my mind, it was crass and inappropriate.
I believe Palin was/is treated terriby by the media. But she needs to move on and stop whining about them 24-7. She is not the only who has been mercilessly attacked. I just think her comments in the speech about our military, and the sacrifice of those particular soldiers would have been better if they were not attached to her self-indulgent attack on the media.
Kris deleted a similar comment I made on his post tonight – 4 times. He also deleted other comments I made in that post, and changed/edited some others. They were not offensive comments, and no different in tone or content from any of my posts. He also changed/deleted some other comments, and them closed the comment section – as he often does when he doens’t agree, or when he is caught in a disingenuous moment.
As I mentioned to him, it reflects poorly on him and tarnishes the mostly admirable work he does at race.
July 28th, 2009 at 4:32 am
You just do not get it Martha. Do you not consider that Mrs. Palin is fed up with how the media treats our soldiers? Why do you think Kristofer posted the great video? It was in part because he wanted to promote the troops of our great country. Do you not realize that for starters, Alaska has a major Air Force Base? Nobody is more Pro-Troops than Mrs. Palin, but you and company refuse to see this.
July 28th, 2009 at 5:08 am
“Romney will campaign as a moderate in 2012. That’s where his niche is right now. Independents and moderates.”
That’s what I think Romney is going to be trying also, though it’s going to be hard for him either way. Romney already burnt bridges galore in 2008 when he decided to be most decidedly unmoderate and did things that were politically expedient for him, campaigning as a hard-right conservative. I don’t wager Rudy and McCain supporters like myself will be quick to embrace him. He’ll have to moderate considerably to get much support. I’d take him over Palin and Huckabee, but I’d much rather have Pawlenty among the current grouping.
Pawlenty is both a more reliable conservative and of a more moderate demeanor than Romney, since he hasn’t tried shifting around and ruining his reputation in both areas. That, to me, sounds like a good candidate for our party and to serve as a national leader.
Perhaps the economy will encourage a faster pardon of Romney, provided he changes his course from here on out. But if it doesn’t, or he doesn’t budge, I see big room for Pawlenty to fill that space while Romney is content with his 15% core from the last election.
July 28th, 2009 at 5:32 am
116. No OJ. Palin is fed up with how the media treat HER. I don’t blame her, but she shouldn’t exploit the deaths of soldiers as an intro into her chastisment of the media. Yes, I know there is an Air Force base in Alaska. So what?
Palin is pro-troop. And so is virtually every other GOP guy. Unfortunately, she used the troops in her speech to get at the media. I can’t see Romney, Huckabee, Pawlenty or any other candidate doing what she did in that speech.
MPC. I don’t think Romney is going to moderate at this late date. You’ll have to take him as he is.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:03 am
“Yes, I know there is an Air Force base in Alaska. So what?” Yeah, in a way so what, but the way you and company carry on, I wonder if you really do appresiate what Alaska is to our national security. I disagree with you on the media and our troops. The media has trashed our troops over the last few years and I am glad that somebody (Mrs. Palin in this case) is standing up to these clowns.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Talk about media attacks, Mitt had many and never once did I hear wha-wha, boo-hoo. He is above the fray and understands how politics work..He also has bigger fish to fry… Ya know, in life, You can’t sweat the small stuff and you must be wise enough to know the difference.Mitt is seasoned and ready for duty..He is the real deal…I hope you all see that before you make another choice mistake….Romney 2012…..
July 28th, 2009 at 8:42 am
I wanted to post about this on the Luntz post but for some reason they are not allowing any more comments on that post, so I’ll post my thoughts here. Adam, and others made an interesting point about how other Presidents had to handle the scrutiny from the press that hated them but the major difference is that you cannot compare the press of Reagan’s time to the press of today. With the rise of the internet and 24 hour cable news, Bush was the only political figure who had to endure such scrutiny. Sure Reagan brought his message to the people and so is Palin…she is bringing the message that the press is utilizing its right yet is not honoring the responsibility that goes with that right. It’s a strong message that could work with the general electorate.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Well said Jersey, some of these people want to compare apples to oranges.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:00 am
I was reading some of the comments and I have to say…this completely irrational, anti-Palin syndrome is turning into an epidemic on this site. It’s very boring. The Rombots are taking over this site and attempting to destroy any candidate that is in his way. They are borrowing from Obama blogger tactics to ruin any possible candidate that could threaten the great and powerful Romney. Keep this stuff up guys and I guarantee you there will be a grassroots revolt. Romney is a tough character to like to begin with but his obsessed followers are really not helping!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 9:13 am
What is really sad Jersey is that our nominee will probably be either Mr. Romney or Mr. Huckabee. Which is fine on one hand, but it is ironic that these two camps could not put aside their difference to fight against the Democrats, but they appear to have no problem putting aside their differences and uniting against the lady from Alaska. What is more ironic is that they suggest that they is unfit, a bimbo and a selfish person. If this is so true, it is interesting that they are spending so much time against her. Hopefully, M & M will get this stuff out of their systems before they lead the party.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Here’s the thing. Huckabee has solid support amongst a solid group who isn’t going to be fickle between candidates. Huckabee had the popular support of the people of the religous right in ’08, but the leaders were busy jumping on other candidates backs because they didn’t want to lose credibility by attaching themselves to a guy who was too unknown at the time to get the nomination. Many of them have admitted that this was a mistake and are now firmly in the Huckabee camp. While Huckabee’s supporters aren’t going anywhere, a typical Romney supporter, besides Mormons, who are a very small group in comparison, will jump ship if men like Pawlenty and Thune can gain momentum. Huckabee’s solid 20 something percent of the GOP plus some of the others he will inevitably attract with his populist approach, especially in the MidWest, should give him the nomination. I’m a Romney guy myself, in case you can’t tell from my site, but I think a Huckabee nomination, when looking at the game at this point, is inevitable. I’ll have no problem getting behind him though, especially as an alternative to the President.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I agree Ohio on most points except I don’t think Romney or Huckabee will win the nomination. I think it will be either Palin or Pawlenty…with Jeb as a wild card. I’m not even sure they will run. I’d like to see Rudy give it another go. In his most recent interviews he is going against national politics and not New York state politics…but I’m pretty sure he will not run.
I have to commend you for fighting the good fight against the irrational Rombots…I don’t know how you do it. I’m getting so tired of reading the same stuff.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:22 am
123 jersey, man where to start. You should really be more careful with finding your facts before you make such ridiculous claims. I am sure that this site can be very frustrating for you because it isn’t the echo chamber that you are used to at C4P or free republic.
1. There are many commenters on this site who are not fans of Romney and who have been very outspoken against Palin. To name three, Alex, Aron, and Texasconserv.
2. I used to defend Palin in the past. Several other Romney supporters have also stood up for Palin in the past. But her quitting is indefensible and many of us can’t stomach her any more.
3. Accusing us of using Obama blogger tactics is outrageous. You have no evidence of that for any commenters here other than Knickers. You are making this up from the frenzied and paranoid recesses of your mind.
4. A lot of the Romney supporters here like other candidates a lot. Many of us have said good things about Pawlenty, Gingrich, Rudy, Thompson, etc. Yes there are a couple of people who will attack anyone who poses a serious threat to Romney, just as their are people in the other camps who do the same. Most of us don’t. You are only seeing what you want to see.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
125, that would be pretty interesting if you were the real Matt Drudge…and if you are, can I have a job writing for your site? Something on the editorial staff will do…I’ll need dental though.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Perhaps we would all be well to try harder to do this:
Could we all strive to be more civil? Could we all look for the best in others and their candidate?
Many times, it’s not what you say, but how you say it.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:31 am
DanL, I appreciate your use of adjectives to describe who I am, what sites I visit and the level of closed mindedness I was unaware that I have. The problem with most…did you read that I wrote most, hardcore Romney supporters on this site is that they never attempt to understand why things happen, everything is black and white…Palin quit…she’s a quitter, blah blah blah. Now if you and others followed the same rules and held Romney to that stringent level of black and white standards then maybe you wouldn’t feel compelled to include yourself as a Rombot but you do not. You can explain away any and all Romney mistakes or failures but do not take an inkling of your thought process to think about why Palin did or does what she does…oh right yes you do it’s because she’s a moron and not intellectually curious…and a quitter.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:45 am
The funny thing is DanL, in this post, you’re the one using Obama blogger tactics against Palin the most. Just as Obama’s followers used sexist inuendos to belittle Hillary Clinton, in the primaries, you are using the same junior high tactics and inuendos to belittle Sarah Palin and anyone who might like her as a candidate.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:54 am
128, I don’t employ writers for my site.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:58 am
First of all I don’t see any people calling Palin a moron; that’s your term. By definition, that is some one with an intelligence of a 7 to 12 year old. Palin certainly doesn’t fit that. In fact, she probably has in intelligence in the top 15% of our population. She does, however struggle with having even a peripheral knowledge on many subjects, and her articulation (without a teleprompter) is sub-par. If she ever wants to run for President, she has a lot to learn, and she has to master her skills in communicating that new found knowledge.
As far as her being a quitter, I don’t know what other term would fit the situation….if there is another term, perhaps we can consider it. She took an oath before man and God to fulfill her elected term in office. Things got tough for her, no one can deny that, but does anyone doubt that things would be a whole lot tougher if she were in the white house? We all know there is no comparison. The press is tough on her yes, but we need to recognize that she brings some of it on herself. Have you ever thought about the bully on the playground? He doesn’t bother picking on those that do not respond, do they? It’s no fun for them. Sarah should know this, but she pours gasoline on the fire. She seems to enjoy fighting, but then wants to whimper about her injuries after the fight. Those around her should have been able to recognize this, and clue her in. If they didn’t then this is all partly their fault too.
When Letterman got out of line, she should have given one 1 line response, then put it behind her, but she never does. She’ll need to learn to do this.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:04 am
jersey, I called Palin a quitter. Can you explain why she isn’t a quitter? Would it also be junior high tactics to call a dead beat dad a dead beat dad, or to label a drug dealer as a drug dealer?
No you didn’t say “most, hardcore Romney supporters”. In 123 you said “The Rombots are taking over this site and attempting to destroy any candidate that is in his way.” Also, “Romney is a tough character to like to begin with but his obsessed followers are really not helping!!!”
Nowhere in 123 did you qualify your statement about “most, hardcore Romney supporters.”
As to Romney’s alleged failings, I have in the past said that Romneycare bothers me. I have also urged him in other thread to put differences aside and endorse Rubio. I am not one of those who defend everything Romney does. In fact I usually don’t weigh into the arguments about his supposed failings.
Yes I used sexual innuendo in some of my posts, but it was used to marginalize the support of Rush and Beck for Palin. Subtleties are apparently beyond you. As are bold, black and white truths, such as Palin is a quitter.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Among Independents
Homemaker 34%
Television Talk Show Host 15%
Vice-President of the United States 11%
College Professor 8%
President of the United States 4%
This is the harsh reality for the Palin supporters: 4% of the independents want her to become the President of the United States. We will need around 55%.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:22 am
132, I know Matt Drudge doesn’t employ writers for is site. I know he runs it entirely himself with, supposedly, one assistant. But, if he ever does start employing writers then I’d be more than happy to be apply for a job…a couple thousand comments on this site has gotta be some experience. According to another poster, I might be able to have a column called Jumping to Irrational Conclusions.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
DanL, Palin is a quitter, she quit her job as Governor. She has reasons as to why she quit. They seem to make sense for her and many other people in the political spectrum. You know as well as I do that boiling down a complex issue with such a simplicity is a basic offensive maneuver that does not even require an elementary education.
I believed I used the phrase “junior high tactics” to describe the way you are using sexist inuendos to deflate a female politician and her supporters but not specifically to the fact that you called Palin a quitter.
You quoted me correctly in my 123 statement but unless you consider yourself a Rombot or an obsessed follower than I am not sure why you would be so offended?
And, lastly, I understand exactly why you were using the inuendos. Obviously Beck and Rush are not capable of being objective about Palin because they want her? Is that the blatant subtlety you are referring to? A subtlety should be subtle by the way. When you become honest with yourself and respect people for having differing opinions than you, then maybe you could have a real political debate. You can “get behind” any candidate you want, but why can’t others? And, you’re right…on the most simplistic of terms, Palin is a quitter and Romney is a scumbag, corporate raider without an iota of personality, who believes in forcing health care on the masses, but then again “who let the dogs out?”
“Whoop, whoop.”
July 28th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Utah, nevada, arizona, Idaho and New Mexico will all go Mitt. As will Fla and CA. (mitt placed second in Fla AND in CA).
July 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Jersey, with respect, it is no point calling Mr. Romney a scumbag, let the Romneyites be the ones to look silly with their name calling. We cannot really blame Mr. Romney himself for the childish antics of a few. I feel sorry for Mr. Romney in a way that his supporter need to trash our camp leader in order to feel superior.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Jersey, many folks I’ve spoken to cannot tell me what Palin or even huckabee stands for. From them I hear “She’s HOT”, or “he’s a PREACHER!” as if that is all you need for creds. I do hear a bit of what Huck did as gov, but never what Palin has done as gov. Not one can point to any piece of work by her, or from her. Palin quit. Yes, it’s not a good word, but there is no other for it. Michael Medved had a very good show yesterday, and one thing he brought out that the next 2 years as a gov of any state, will be hard. The economy won’t help at all. He said Palin bailed before she had to go down with the ship. That’s not a skipper I want commanding me. I want someone who has the drive to stick to it, even when the going gets tough. She got a tastes of the big city with McCain, and never returned to AK in her mindset. She used her children, then cried foul when the media focused on them. She did not stick to the issues. Even Huckabee had enough class to keep his kids out of the limelight.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Jersy, and when Palin comes up with a healthcare plan that works (and not shut down by the feds), we’ll entertain it. She has not presented one yet, so I am assuming that she has no other plan? Romney at least did something. And it worked, until it was changed.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Ohio, I was really just using some cold hard simplistic facts. Palin’s a quitter, Romney’s a corporate raider. But you are right, thanks!
July 28th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Well, we cannot change the fact that Mr. Palin resigned. I guess a few of these people have gone through life never quitting one thing and moving to another. It is sad that they have to resort to name calling to show that they are suposedly better, but whatever floats their boat.
July 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
America just learned about the hot man Obama is a good speaker so America crazy for his slogan change we can believe in,he can say what ever he want to say to get elect,but when come to the office, he doesn’t know where to start by his inexperience,even the $787 billion stimulate and the $410 billion 2009 budget he still don’t know how to use it,why America are go to the ground now,or America will repeat mistake one more time,if so how can the poor America stand for their hurt and wait 4 more years to 2016,may be they dies be fore their dream have come.Sarah is a hot speaker woman as Obama did, she still funny with the sweet taste of campaign why she quit for campaign around the country and for fund raising is enjoying than seating in the gov office,because there are too much problems.The question,America will chose the real deal that can lead America to prosperity or will chose the hot speaker that make you happy and enjoying but meaning less in it as you did for Obama and America feel scare now. America need the experience leader,strong leader,and true leader Mitt now and the future to lead America to prosperity and forward,is not back ward.
July 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Not the classiest thread in the history of Race4, but what it comes down to is that conservative competence trumps pulchritude and folksiness. That’s why Mitt is ahead right now. Hands down, he would make the best president of anybody with any likelihood of obtaining the nomination. He’s proven it time and time again. The only guy who comes reasonably close (unless you count Jeb) is Pawlenty, and he’s at 1% and lacks any kind of fundraising or political organization base. As much as I like Sarah, she can’t win enough independents to win, and as much as I dislike Huckabee, neither can he.
July 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
I don’t know why vetting candidates needs to be so personal around here. Telling the truth about Palin is not trashing her, and it doesn’t make anyone feel superior. Honestly, Joe, I have no personal issues with Palin. She seems like a very likable and decent person. But she has some issues that need to be dealt with. Palin did not hang the moon, you know.
Everyone who desires to lead should be held up for scrutiny. Everything needs to be on the table. We need the best candidate. What little chance we have of actually beating Obama needs to be taken seriously – considering the consequences.
I wish everyone would please stop taking every criticism of Palin so personally. I don’t think I do that with Romney. I usually just come back with facts to counter point. (I do tend to get hot when my religion is held up for ridicule, I admit.)
July 28th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
In regards to comment 125. I think it establishes a open mind to accept the potential of success of another despite one’s personal passion for another candidate. Your sentiments about Huckabee winning the nomination will be probably be proven true. I believe that many on this particular site under-estimates Huckabee’s ability to win the nomination or truly understands the solid support he has ready and waiting for his announcement to run for 2012.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
130 – Never thought of turning that logic back on yourself? If you were half as easy on Romney’s mistakes as you are on Palin’s, you’d be a Rombot.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
I would like to know the I.Q. of Mitt…Huckabee…Palin and all others even thinking of running this vast business called government…
July 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
It’s almost funny how the Palin folks think it’s ok to heavily criticize the health care of Massachusetts, even though it went from completely socialistic and no personal responsibility to much more privatization and increased personal responsibility. Most conservatives would think that is a good thing. But that’s not trashing Mitt of course, just like not pointing out a change of position years ago is not trashing Mitt. But when someone politely points out that Palin needs to up her speaking skills and greatly enhance her knowledged base on lots of pertinent subject matter, somehow that is considered trashing. Have you ever even allowed yourselves to see you’re using a double standard Sarah guys?
July 28th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
The poll isn’t particularly useful given that most of the candidates polled probably won’t run.
Who runs will have a vital influence on the race.
In 2008 Romney probably would have been the nominee absent Huckabee.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Big jump for Mitt among Independents, I guess many are seeing him as the “adult in the room”.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Ohio, I have quit jobs before to move on to better things. But none was an elected office. And always, if I had a contract, I fulfilled that contract. It’s like the troops she likes to pull out. We in the military sign up for a certain amount of time. We fullfill that obligation first, and move on when we complete it.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Sorry, I said ‘we’. I am former Navy.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
#154 Officer or enlisted ma’am?
July 28th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Paulee,
“I would like to know the I.Q. of Mitt…Huckabee…Palin and all others even thinking of running this vast business called government…”
Well, republican government really isn’t a business, not unless you can show me a business that has have as its motivation and core reasoning the success of its employees rather than the profit mechanism. In a business, people are tools to that end. In a republic, people are the ends. That’s a big difference.
So the best business administrator does not (and probably will not) make the best political leader.
And secondly, IQ is not a good indicator of capacity for leadership, either. IQ probably has very little correlation with the character of a good leader. Ben Franklin certainly would not have been as good a first President as George Washington.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Also of note!
Mark Sanford’s considerable rise among Independents. While his Argentine romance certainly didn’t do him favors with the moral crusaders in the base, perhaps his long confession and the exposed details of the love story have made him one of the rare Republicans nowadays who seems sincere about his beliefs. Or, 5% of Independents like the idea of exotic foreign romances!
Of course, as a disclaimer, I don’t think we should put him anywhere near to be nominated
July 28th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
I’m sure Mittens has a high IQ, but the real question is his integrity and commitment to conservative values.
I don’t think anyone can seriously look at his record and see a legitimate conservative. His signature achievement is RomneyCare which is the model for ObamaCare. He was a social liberal until he decided to run for Prez.
I don’t think Mittens would embarass the party the way Palin would as a nominee, but he’s simply unacceptable on the issues.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
157 – Sanford increased among independents because some independents are Obama supporters who want Republicans to pick the worst candidate.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
159,
I have yet to see that effect be registered in any poll. There’s simply not enough people who, on their own, will make that choice. There was something genuine about Sanford’s little ordeal that I liked seeing, alongside the failure his wife and children that I certainly did not like seeing. I’m betting a few Independents are thinking the former.
There’s little other explanation for the movement from May to July, during which Sanford’s name became repeated all over the press.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Flip, please explain to me why someone like Ann Coulter for example would gladly support Romney. Thee most Conservative female in America, Flip, and she would gladly support the former governor. Get a flp’n grip (pun intended). Am I supposed to believe you’re smarter than Coulter and all the other pundints?
July 28th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
He’s a genuine creep.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Ann Coulter hardly speaks for all conservatives, I think that goes without saying. She hardly has the influence of a Rush Limbaugh.
Her big candidate in 2008 was Duncan Hunter, she didn’t go with Romney until it was down to him and McCain.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
163 – she enthusiastically talked up Romney as early as CPAC 2007. She also pushed Hunter but it wasn’t like she didn’t like Romney until it was him vs. McCain.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Ann Coulter is creepy and mean. That’s not saying she’s wrong on the issues but she tends to address things superficially and simplistically. Her bombast and lack of human compassion also make her a liability to the causes she supports.
People tend to disagree with a cruel jerk by reflex.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
PPP: 2009 NJ Gov
Christie(R) 50
Corzine (D) 36
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NJ_728.pdf
July 28th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Where did these additional cross tabs come from, where it shows all of the candidates wtih independents and combined independents/Republicans? The independents would be a factor in some of the states, but not others in the primary, but would be a huge factor in the general.
I don’t see them in the link.
Are there other interesting tabs also?
I honestly believe that Rudy’s people would split out mostly to Mitt and Sarah, probably a little heavier to Mitt. Huckabee would get some, but I don’t think that many.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
enlisted. CTO1
July 28th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
You’re missing the point by a mile, Flip. The point is, that most real Conervatives see Mitt as a viable candidate, not some fringe pretender that wouldn’t be effective in Washington. You’re in the minority. I never said that he was Ann’s top guy from day 1. I’m saying they would support him. Hell, who’s to say he’s my top guy. You just throw away all your credibility when you denounce Mitt as a Liberal. He may have acted more moderatley to appeal to his left wing constituency in Massachuetts, but of course he had to to get elected and survive the political climate up there. It’s not hard to figure out
July 28th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Morgan, don’t bother…she’s just here to agitate, not contribute anything meaningful.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
George wasn’t a slouch either.
I don’t know how integrity made it into that statement.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Illinoisguy… you’re probably right. I’m just trying to save Flip a little embarasment
July 29th, 2009 at 12:11 am
CalState,
No, he wasn’t, but the point is there is no prominent national political figure that lacks the IQ to be a leader. However, there are some that probably aren’t the best picks based on their character. The second is far more important than the first, so candidates should be judged first and foremost on that.
IQ is basically irrelevant.
And Rudy’s folks all went to McCain last season – as Rudy went down, McCain went up. I was one of those who made that switch, which was regrettable in one way since Rudy was and is such a great candidate, but McCain was the obvious choice once things came down to it for virtually everyone including Rudy himself.
And you know, McCain has been really dropping Pawlenty lately
If Romney doesn’t correct his ’08 course, he’s not getting anyone from that side of the table.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:07 am
If the 2012 election were today, President Obama would easily carry the state of Minnesota against either Gov. Tim Pawlenty or Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, a new poll finds (July 7-8, 1491 RV, +/- 2.5%).
I didn’t see this posted before, but maybe it was. I didn’t realize how poorly Pawlenty was thought of in his state:
Public Policy Polling reports that although his approval rating in the state dropped to 54% from 60% in April, Obama would take down two-term incumbent Pawlenty 51%-40%, and 2008 vice presidential nominee Palin 56%-35%. Obama defeated McCain last year 54%-44%, to take Minnesota’s 10 electoral votes.
Much of Obama’s approval rating drop results from a loss of Republican support. Just 12% now approve of the job he’s doing, compared with 23% in April. Pawlenty, who’s announced he won’t run for a third term and is speculated to be considering a bid for president, has an approval rating of 44%, with 48% disapproving.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Ill guy. Good numbers. So, what’s the anwers? We put up somone who can has a grasp of and can debate the issues, has good and proven ideas, has been against the ‘enemy’ AND WON, and who has the INTEGERITY and common sense to be president. Romney.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:48 am
IQ may not matter much, but using what you have does. I’ve known super genuis’ who may be able to figure out how to send a rocket into space who could not order their own lunch from the truck. But, having someone crazy smart who KNOWS how to use it, and can be social, has a good background and a impecciable life is a good thing.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:42 am
This is boring.
July 29th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Jersey, from your perspective, I would think you mean depressing!
July 29th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Aron, where did you get the data above that is not shown in the pdf file? Is it available to the general public? Is there other cross tabs shown also?
July 29th, 2009 at 10:07 am
It’s amusing how the Rom-bots try to stimatize anybody who attempts to raise the truth about Romney’s liberal past.
I welcome anybody to study Romney’s record: his pro-abortion positions, his big government health care schemes, his gun control initiatives, his political support for Democrat Paul Tsongas, and his huge tax (whoops, fee) increases to fund MA’s big government.
Oh yeah, and “I was an independent during Reagan/Bush.”
Now this guy promotes himself as Reagan’s heir? He’s phony to the bone.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Huge fee increases? That’s a laugh. Try 240 million, when he improved the state budget by 4 billion . So the fee increase accounted for 6% of the overall improvement. The rest was fiscal conservatism. Do you realize he used the veto over 700 times?
July 29th, 2009 at 10:28 am
And Reagan signed pro abortion legislation; Mitt governed pro life his entire governorship.
And you know that little sound bite they like to play where it looks as if he is denouncing Reagan. Well, the truh is, he was denouncing his tax increases, so you’re right in some ways, he is no Reagan.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:39 am
#182, so you’re denouncing Reagan now? I guess that shouldn’t come as a surprise.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
His tax increases were unnecessary, and I absolutely loathe his signing of pro abortion legislation. In most ways, I loved the man, and still do, but he wasn’t perfect.
July 29th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Did someone spot Colin Powell refer to Sarah Palin as a “phenomenon” Her life
story attests to her overcoming all odds,as fighting corruption, as a multitask
mother and wife and expert politician and the ability to speak in plain language
tht ordinary people can grasp using her own words and not by a scriptwriter and
from the heart without a teleprompter. Her drawback now is to study and delve into
the issues the country desperately needs.she is smart to be able to absorb all of
that , and the time as wellSheis young unlike the oldie politicians All of you who are against Palin will be jolted and surprised , one of these days when she
talks about the issues , the nation has to return to conservative isues inrder to
regain it’s greatness once again.
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July 29th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Is that the Colin Powell that endorsed and voted for Obama?
July 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Heritage Foundation defends Mitt’s health care!!
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDM3YjhmYTIyODhjZWQ4Mjg4ZjVmYTdiYmFjMTNiMDI=
July 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
“As for the individual mandate enacted into law, that wasn’t Romney’s idea, or Heritage’s either. To cope with an estimated $1.3 billion in uncompensated care costs shifted onto taxpayers, Romney originally proposed giving Massachusetts citizens a choice: either buy health insurance or, if not, post a bond to cover one’s expenses associated with emergency-room care. If that is a mandate, then it is a mandate to pay one’s own bills. There is nothing conservative or “libertarian” about making taxpayers responsible for the consequences of one’s personal irresponsibility. Heritage felt the governor’s formulation of a personal choice — “insurance or bond: you decide” — was a practical and acceptable way to solve the problem of the “free rider” and the costs of uncompensated care: the “mandate” on taxpayers.”
Moffit of the Heritage Foundation
July 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
I lived in Houston for 15 months. The state required all citizens to get a wind and hail insurance policy for their home. It was quite expensive, but it protected the community from having to foot the bill for people who won’t insure but get hit by hurricanes or tornadoes.
That’s Texas folks, not Massachussets. I guess Texas must be a flaming liberal state huh?
July 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Maybe they should rename Texas to Taxes.
July 29th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Well, I think it should be obvious that devising a plan that requires people to be responsible for their own health care is the CONSERVATIVE position. Unfortunately, lots of people are not very conservative. As the article from Heritage points out, “…creates the erroneous impression that Gov. Mitt Romney and the Heritage Foundation wanted to impose a coverage mandate on employers. Not true.
Governor Romney, like Heritage, steadfastly opposed the employer mandate. He vetoed it, and the Democrats in the state legislature overrode it.
He vetoed the bad stuff folks, and they overrode it….do you finally get it now?
July 29th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Romney mandates that people get health care, and they face penalties if they ignore the government dictates.
This is hardly conservative. This is statism.
And it is bankrupting Mitt’s state of MA. No wonder he didn’t run for a second term. He doesn’t even live there anymore.
The Romney ship is sinking already.
July 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
The thing bankrupting the state is the fact that Obama policies have dried up their revenues to the tune of 5 billion bucks. The increase per year has been 88 million, with is 3/10ths of 1% of the operating budget. Many, if not most of the states went up by more than that without a plan.
ship is sinking? Dream on lady!
July 29th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
SO, let me get this straight, since Powell endorsed Obama then every single thing he says about every single candidate is irrelevant? Just wondering?
July 29th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
He’s a weak RINO, at best, so, basically, yes. I’ll never pay any attention to him.
July 29th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
192 – The Romney ship is sinking? Not according to his poll numbers. When did you elect to forego honesty in order to push your agenda?
July 29th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
#195, I have a similar attitude toward Romney.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Flip, I’ve studied Romney’s record top to bottom. He modernized a touch to govern in Massachusetts to the same level that Reagan did in California. Is he a moderate in reality?… no, and he certainly for crying out loud, is not a liberal. Just as Reagan was neither of the 2. You’re pure disdain for the truth is almost laughable.
Good luck with your candidate Mike Huckabee, which I won’t be foolish enough to call a liberal either. But he’s certainly not on the same plane as Mitt. If you think Romney actually believes in a woman’s right to chose, you need counseling. Massachusetts needed a republican governor more than bread needs butter, and th eheavens they finally got one for atleast 4 years
July 29th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
#198, your post is entirely devoid of substance.
Post a defense of big-gov Romneycare, if you can. It’s no secret that Obama is using it as the template for his own huge BIGGOV takeover.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
197 – I think the main difference between your attitudes is the part where he says “I’ll never pay attention to him.” You talk about little other than Romney.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Less than half my posts are about the Mitten. But my Romney posts tend to be the most noticed.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
#201 – Another big lie, and everyone knows it.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Did you just accuse me of a lack of substance? You’re the only one on planet earth comparing Mitt’s plan to Obama’s plan. I never said I was in favor of the Massachusett’s healthcare idea, but it is clearly written to appease the left, and Mitt himself said it wasn’t exactly what he wanted. But what you don’t seem to want to admit as that he hasn’t been in office for several years. A very very unpopualr democrat has been in office. Liberals were involved as well in the original framework. And Liberals were entirely involved after he left. What do you think is going to happen. You try governing in the most liberal state in America. where has Mass gone since he left
But I loved the lie you said about how the state’s healthcare was mandatory. How the hell is it mandated when only 97% of the state is covered? As if that remaining 3% are all going to jail because they are NOT covered. Please, do no ever accuse me of having no substance again. If you don’t like him, don’t vote for him, but dont keep digging yourself a huge hole, my friend
And why don’t you divulge who you support one of these days. Let me guess, Ron Paul
July 29th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
#203, I’m one of many people who have compared ObamaCare to Romneycare. Just do ten seconds of research on Google. As for the care not being mandatory — a mandate is a key feature of the plan! Do your homework next time.
You’re right about one thing though — Mitt wrote the bill to appease the left, which is why he shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the White House.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Once again, knucklehead, if it was mandatory, every citizin of Massachusetts would have it. and once again I’ll lay down the fact that only 97% have it. So based upon thatfact, guss it’s not mandatory. Boy, your hatred for this guy… you’ll say just about anything. You’re one of the hand full of people comparing it to Romneycare. I’m one of the countless thousands who are not
July 29th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Once again, knucklehead, if it was mandatory, every citizin of Massachusetts would have it. and once again I’ll lay down the fact that only 97% have it. So based upon thatfact, guess it’s not mandatory. Boy, your hatred for this guy… you’ll say just about anything. You’re one of the hand full of people comparing it to Romneycare. I’m one of the countless thousands who are not
July 29th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
And one more thing. The United States is not Massachusetts. Massachuetts is 85% left. The rest of the country is 35% left. It takes others to get things done. When he is the commander in chief, he wil actually have folks in Congress that believe like he does, unlike he had in Massachusetts. Once again, you try governing on a strict Conservative agenda in that state. Can’t be done.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
The article today from Heritage Foundation made it clear that Romney had vetoed the mandatory provision of the bill, and it was overturned. For flip to continue on this issue shows she didn’t even read the article from Heritage, one of the most trusted conservative organizations in America.
July 30th, 2009 at 6:30 am
# 186, Illinoisguy, that’s right, that’s the same Colin Powell, but now I’m
sure he regrets he voted for Obama.
July 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
209 – did Obama change race?
July 30th, 2009 at 2:06 pm