March 30, 2009

Should We Care About Biden’s Recent Cocaine Use?

UK Telegraph: Video footage allegedly of Vice President Joe Biden’s daughter, Ashley, snorting cocaine has been offered for sale to several news organisations.

I have not seen the video, but the international media has been reporting this story for over 24 hours.  I now see this story being reported on a couple of US media online sites.  The New York Post is now reporting that in 1999, Vice President Biden’s daughter was arrested for drug possession and the Huffington Post is reporting that Ms. Biden was arrested for obstructing a police officer in Chicago, in 2002.   The San Francisco Examiner is reporting that the same New York Post refused a $2 million dollar offer for the video.

“On the tape a man cuts up five lines of what is said to be cocaine,” Radar online reported.” The woman who the seller says is Ashley then jokes with the man that the lines aren’t big enough.

“The man hands her a rolled-up dollar bill and she proceeds to walk a few steps to a table where the cocaine is cut. She pulls her hair back, bends down and snorts a line.”

I have no idea, nor do I care if any of this is true, but I do have questions for the media:

  • Are voters interested in the stories of the children of politicians?  Should these children be off limits since they are not public figures?
  • How do the large media organizations spend so much time and money investigating the  Republican Vice Presidential candidates children, while making no effort at investigating the the opposing Vice Presidential candidates ADULT children?
  • Why does an adult female deserve protection from public scrutiny, but not a new born baby with down syndrome or a grade 11 high school girl?

I have spent the better part of my adult life interacting with politicians and on occasion with their families.  It is an unforgiving life, especially for the spouses and children.

Update: I am now getting the impression that the criminal background of the adult Biden children were well known to the media.  I respect the media’s decision to not disclose this information, but I cannot help but feel outrage that the underage children of Governor Palin were targets at the same time the decision was made not to report on the Biden’s.

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51 Responses to “Should We Care About Biden’s Recent Cocaine Use?”

  1. Liz Says:

    This administration better hurry up and legalize street drugs if they want to help out Biden’s family.

  2. Tommy Boy Says:

    Kristofer,

    New Palin AK numbers post-stimulus….they seem to be holding up.

    Palin AK pre-stimulus
    Overall: 61/33

    Palin AK post-stimulus
    http://www.haysresearch.com/OC032509.htm
    Overall: 60/35
    Very Postive: 35%
    Positive: 25%
    Negative: 14%
    Very Negative: 21%

  3. Tommy Boy Says:

    The link to the Palin AK pre-stimulus poll is here:
    http://www.haysresearch.com/OC031309.htm

    Didn’t link above because it would go into moderation….

  4. OHIO JOE Says:

    I do not care about the silly antics about Mr. Biden’s children anymore than I care about the antics of any other politician. All I know is that Mr. Biden himself is one of the biggest buffoons in America. With respect to Metro and his Suburban friends, if those Independent are too stupid to realize that Mrs. Palin is several times more intelligent that Mr. Biden than I fear our country is in more trouble than we realize. It is almost hillarious how the same people who mock Mr. Palin and her family fail to see that Mr. Biden is a total fool and is a disgrace to his office.

  5. BJWitts Says:

    “I respect the media’s decision to not disclose this information, but I cannot help but feel outrage that the underage children of Governor Palin were targets at the same time the decision was made not to report on the Biden’s”

    This is the Democrat playbook. Never take a stand against any moral issue so you will never be called a hypocrite.

    This is why the Republicans always get more coverage on the moral issues.

  6. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    #5, I would normally agree with you but….

    It has been reported that Senator Biden coined the term, ‘drug czar’, and he has been a fierce critic of ‘drugs’…whatever that means.

    Overall, this is very sad.

  7. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    Tommy Boy, thank you for the polls. I am sure Aron will have them up on the front page very soon.

  8. Tommy Boy Says:

    Kristofer,

    If you crunch the numbers and assume a 90% favorable among the 26% of the Alaskan electorate who considers themselves born again white evangelical Christians (data from the 2008 AK exit poll), she’s still polling at almost 58% favorables among non-white born again evangelical Christians.

  9. Adam Brickley Says:

    #s 5 and 6,

    The Dem vs. GOP argument morals might be applicable to candidates – but we’re talking about coverage of their kids. Ashley Biden and Bristol Palin are not political figures in themselves and have little or no role in issue debates. This is just about a pure, simple double standard on the issue of leaving kids alone.

    That said, Biden has been a drug crusader – so in this case thhe argument that Dems can get away with drugs due to their moral stances would not apply here.

  10. cwpete Says:

    I agree Kristofer:

    Wasn’t Obama himself a crackhead? Then what does it matter if the VP’s daughters snorts her nose candy? Heck, this will probably further her political career.

    Seriously, those who are in power and in the media simple don’t care.

  11. OHIO JOE Says:

    “but we’re talking about coverage of their kids. Ashley Biden and Bristol Palin are not political figures in themselves and have little or no role in issue debates.” BINGO

    Thank Tommy Boy for posting the Palin #s both on this site and on another site.

  12. OHIO JOE Says:

    Thank should be Thank you.

  13. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    #10, I don’t think any of this should be reported, unless it directly impact the VP’s ability to govern.

    They used Rudy’s children against him, they published the military unit information and deployment location of where’s McCain son was serving (in combat), they beat up (and still do) on a handicapped baby and a teeage girl, yet they protect the families of Democratic candidates.

  14. OHIO JOE Says:

    Those sons of guns have no shame Kristofer, it is a bloody shame that more on our side do not get it.

  15. Aron Goldman Says:

    Why does an adult female deserve protection from public scrutiny, but not a new born baby with down syndrome or a grade 11 high school girl?

    I cannot help but feel outrage that the underage children of Governor Palin were targets at the same time the decision was made not to report on the Biden’s.

    Was Palin’s then-pregnant daughter the target, or was Sarah, herself, being exposed as a pro-abstinence hypocrite whose own family wasn’t practicing what she preached? Should it reflect negatively on the parenting and priorities of a politician if/when their teenage daughter drops out of high school, or her son has a longstanding behavioral problem with his temper? Obviously, no one was scrutinizing a newborn with Down syndrome. Legitimate questions were raised, however, by those concerned whether Palin, with a special needs infant, could also meet her time-consuming duties and responsibilities as vice president (not to mention, governor).

    I don’t think any of this should be reported, unless it directly impact the VP’s ability to govern.

    Agreed. Bernie Goldberg echoed those precise sentiments in my interview with him:

    I don’t think reporters have any business delving into private lives of players — or politicians for that matter, if it doesn’t affect what they’re doing.

  16. BobH Says:

    It’s irrelevant on its own. The relevance is only in terms of the double standard — same as the Virgin of Guadalupe, Obama’s DVDs, and the reset button.

  17. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    #15, so you believe both Palin (abstinence) and Biden (drug-war Senator) both showed hypocracy, and thus, their children should be made examples of?

    Do you believe that is was fair to focus on Rudy’s many infidelities and his ‘poisoned’ relationship with his children?

    Aron, do you not find it sexist that Palin was questioned on her ability to balance work-life, but not Obama, who had two young children and a wife who worked?

    And…with all due respect, you are omitting the slander and attacks that were made directly at the newborn, suggesting that his sister, was actually his mother.

    That was disgusting….do you not agree?

  18. OHIO JOE Says:

    “no one was scrutinizing a newborn with Down syndrome.” You miss the whole point Aron, the children of politicians should be seperate from the politicians themselves.

    “Aron, do you not find it sexist that Palin was questioned on her ability to balance work-life, but not Obama, who had two young children and a wife who worked? ”
    Bingo, it is funny how they miss the double standard.

  19. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    #18,

    I still go back to when Governor Engler had triplets (making a total of four children), and continued to govern for 5-6 years, yet no one questioned him.

    People who are ignorant to those double standards are just as sexist as those who knowlingly perpetrate misogynistic behaviour.

  20. BJWitts Says:

    #9 Adam

    “The Dem vs. GOP argument morals might be applicable to candidates – but we’re talking about coverage of their kids. Ashley Biden and Bristol Palin are not political figures in themselves and have little or no role in issue debates. This is just about a pure, simple double standard on the issue of leaving kids alone.”

    Agreed. But the Democrats could never concede this.

  21. Aron Goldman Says:

    so you believe both Palin (abstinence) and Biden (drug-war Senator) both showed hypocracy, and thus, their children should be made examples of?

    The children? Absolutely not. The hypocritical parents who pander to prospective voters on those specific issues? Most certainly.

    Do you believe that is was fair to focus on Rudy’s many infidelities and his ‘poisoned’ relationship with his children?

    No, because there was no evidence of his private life adversely affecting his job performance as mayor. If it was impairing his ability to function properly on the job, then it should definitely be fair game. Furthermore, it was irrelevant where Rudy was concerned because he never, hypocritically, advanced the Catholic church’s position in condemning divorce. Nor did he ever attack political opponents who committed adultery, or had strained relations with their kids.

    do you not find it sexist that Palin was questioned on her ability to balance work-life, but not Obama, who had two young children and a wife who worked?

    That sounds like a bit of a red herring. I don’t know of any reporter questioning Palin’s ability to raise Piper and Willow as VP. The focus was almost exclusively on Trig, whose nursing needs and special care as a newborn could not be fully met by a father, especially one whose own job requirements took him away from the family for prolonged stretches of time.

    you are omitting the slander and attacks that were made directly at the newborn, suggesting that his sister, was actually his mother.

    That was disgusting….do you not agree?

    Of course that was disgusting, and without any merit. And that is why I ignored Andrew Sullivan’s absurd accusations. The slanderous charges and attacks were made directly at Sarah, not Trig or Bristol. It was the mother, not the newborn, who was being wrongly accused of lying about her own pregnancy. For the record, I do not recall any MSM sources running with those tabloid trash allegations.

  22. Knickers in a twist. Says:

    I thought the children were ‘off limits’. Can’t have it both ways.

  23. Knickers in a twist. Says:

    Ohio,
    I don’t hold Biden (or any democrate) to a higher or lower standard than Palin. ALL need to find out that families come first. If that means you don’t get to do your ‘career’ because of the issues in your family, so be it.

  24. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    #21, Salon Newsweek CNN People CBS4Denver NBCPhilly MSNBC

    Aron, everyone.

  25. Knickers in a twist. Says:

    Tommyboy.
    A poll of under 400 people is not a true reflection of what is happening on the ground there. I’ve been doing a lot of reading from a lot of sourses. She’s not as popular as your numbers seem to indicate. And we just learned from the NPR poll, that polls can be manulipated.

  26. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    #25, she has remained in ‘landslide’ territory.

    And btw, 500 voters in Alaska means: 1 our of 50 voters were polled….and that makes it as accurate as possible,

  27. Tommy Boy Says:

    Knickers,

    Governor Palin favored for re-election
    http://media.adn.com/smedia/2009/02/28/11/DRC_Press_Release_Palin_2_25__2_.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

    “By a wide margin (56% to 37%), Anchorage residents report Sarah Palin deserves re-election as
    governor in 2010.”

    Since McCain and Stevens both ran about six points ahead of the numbers they received in Anchorage, we can infer that if this question was posed to all Alaskan residents, that 63% would report Sarah Palin deserves re-election as governor in 2010.

    Of course you could argue that the poll I have cited to above is dated from January 28-February 5th and a lot has happened since then…however, the Hays Research polls that I have cited to above show no significant change to her favorables/unfavorables on November 2nd, 2008 to March 25, 2009.

    What are your sources, hahahah?

  28. Tommy Boy Says:

    The November 2nd poll that I cited to in post 27 can be found here (didn’t post above to avoid moderation):

    http://www.haysresearch.com/OC102308.htm

    As you can see, she was at 63/33 on November 2nd, 2008. The most recent poll that I have cited to in earlier posts show her at 60/35 (coming after her stimulus announcement)…not a significant change in my opinion.

  29. Aron Goldman Says:

    Salon Newsweek CNN People CBS4Denver NBCPhilly MSNBC

    Kris,

    Can you please provide a link from CNN, CBS, NBC or Newsweek? If so, I will stand corrected.

    I do not consider Salon or People to be MSM sources. I would also exclude anything from Olbermann, Matthews, Maddow or Shuster at MSNBC as news with journalistic integrity.

  30. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    #29, no problem..

    CNN Investigating Palin Daughter Pregnancy
    9/1/08 | cp124

    Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 7:20:12 PM by cp124

    Wolf Blitzer went to his female reporter in Alaska investigating the Palin pregnancy. They were there to investigate whether Trig was the daughters child and this came out today. She said she was also their to investigate the “trooper gate” scandal. She went back to Wolfie and Bill Bennett said this was disgusting and pretty low, even for CNN. He was pretty mad and looked like he wanted to pop Wolfie. Donna Brazil said it was a personal matter, but ok to investigate.

  31. Aron Goldman Says:

    Kris,

    What you posted is an unsourced blog entry on Free Republic that went up on their site the same day the nation learned that Palin’s daughter, Bristol, was five months pregnant.

    The writer of this, without so much as a legitimate news or youtube link to substantiate his claim, asserts in his headline: ‘CNN Investigating Palin Daughter Pregnancy’, and says that CNN was “there to investigate whether Trig was the daughter’s child and this (the announcement of Bristol’s pregnancy) came out today.” That’s utter nonsense. Because Trig was born (April 18) when Bristol was already pregnant, the absurd allegation was biologically impossible. I have no doubt that Bill Bennett was upset because, instead of covering the RNC, already squeezed out of a day’s coverage by Gustav, they were spending so much time focusing on the ‘news’ of Bristol Palin’s pregnancy, but it wasn’t because the network was running with a ludicrous conspiracy theory.

  32. Knickers in a twist. Says:

    Sorry to doubt your number, but Landslide for Palin .. Doubt it. The people have tee shirts and buttons over there that say ‘Where’s Sarah?’. Meaning, she’s not playing gov as much as she’s trying to play candidate. Neither are working for her.

  33. Knickers in a twist. Says:

    I doubt the numbers. I have been doing the reading, and find her becoming a very unpopular gov!

  34. Knickers in a twist. Says:

    Sources? About as credible as yours are! We’ve learned in the past week how credible polls really are! But, I do talk to folks in AK, I read their newspapers, and their comments section as well. ADN has a good one. I use that as a bell weather. It seems to be more relibable about what the pulse of that state is.

  35. MPC Says:

    I think for accurate coverage of US News, I’m going to have to start reading the international section of the British papers…

  36. Tommy Boy Says:

    Knickers,

    I’ll go really slowly for you…..the polls that I have cited for you are scientific polls. The NPR Mock Tournament and CPAC Straw Poll are unscientific polls, meaning that they are essentially useless from a scientific polling perspective.

    Am I going slowly enough for you? I’ll try again…scientific polling: good, unscientific polling: useless.

    Scientific polls, especially when three scientific polls say the same thing, are almost always accurate or close to accurate.

    I’ll try to ignore the argument that you just seemed to advance: are you really arguing that a comments board section is representative of the general public? I’ll let you take back that comment before you expose yourself further as a complete idiot.

    I usually don’t charge for polling classes and tutorials, so come back anytime.

  37. OHIO JOE Says:

    “I think for accurate coverage of US News, I’m going to have to start reading the international section of the British papers…” Unfortunately, I’ll have to agree with that.

  38. SillyPuddy Says:

    This is why we lose, we simply have more class then our opposition, they play to win at any cost, and it’s effective.

  39. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    Aron, It is not unsourced.

    I will send you links on Facebook. I am not posting that BS on this site.

    I did not want to post it on here. I have links that show MSM printing Sullivan’s articles and local news covering this story. I also have the CBC special report which of course, reaches million of Americans along the boarder.

  40. Martha Says:

    39, You’re now against posting BS on this site?

  41. blue Says:

    I still don’t understand why in the world obama picked biden??? i’d guess the ted kennedy crowd thought it was a neat idea and pushed hard for that pick but come 2012, my advice to obama would be dump biden as veep. As for his kid, she needs to go to rehab pronto and folks should respect her privacy.

  42. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    #37, it is really very sad, There seems to be more of a balance in the UK between right and left publications.

    Although the BBC is still run by socialist labour-party wacko’s!

  43. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    Martha,

    I refuse to post Andrew Sullivan on this site.

  44. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    Aron, I started to send you links on FB…will do so over the next 30 minutes.

  45. GetReal Says:

    43 – Keller videos are okay, though?

  46. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    #45. Yes.

  47. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    Coke

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx2P4ZGXW9Y

  48. Aron Goldman Says:

    Kris,

    The closest thing you presented that, journalistically, was arguably objectionable from an MSM source in America (VF, CBC, FP don’t count) was CNN marginally lending credence to Sullivan’s batshit claims, by cross-posting his Atlantic article under the skeptical headline: Why not release Trig Palin’s birth record?

    And while Washington Post media critic, Howard Kurtz, aired Andrew’s argument, perhaps unnecessarily, by no means did he share Sullivan’s skepticism; and the paper’s news department sure as hell didn’t run with the baseless rumours.

    I wrote earlier that I did not recall any MSM sources running with those tabloid trash allegations.

    After looking at all of the links you provided, I am glad to see that I recalled correctly.

  49. OHIO JOE Says:

    “Why not release Trig Palin’s birth record?”

    Don’t make me laugh, the same people who do not want to realize Mr. Obama’s records. Quit grasping at draws and use some logic.

  50. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    Aron, read the final message I sent you. It was discussed in a major Time article.

  51. cwpete Says:

    Whoa,

    I’m hearing the video was a fake. O’Reilly did a segment questioning the authenticity of this video. He even bleeped out the allegations.

    Any update on this?

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