I am not providing an opinion on this video, but it is a must watch. Poor Ann Coulter. She is taking hits from the center and the right. The video was produced by four conservative talk-show hosts, Steve Deace, Bill Keller, Bob Enyart, and Gregg Jackson. Read the press release here.
They have also launched an associated web-site, www.AnnCoulterApology.com
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This afternoon, I asked controversal talk-show host Steve Deace for his views on the leading GOP candidates.
Mitt RomneyPOSITIVES – If it’s location, location, and location in real estate then Romney has the money, money, and money for a political run. He’s a human ATM. Because of his ability to raise money, he has most favored nation status among many mercenary conservative elites and right-wing talk radio titans who just want to win at absolutely any cost.NEGATIVES – Quite frankly, he’s a phony. The biggest phony running for the Republican presidential nomination I have ever seen. And that’s why the only contested state he won last time around was the state of his birth. Despite all the free media he got from the talk radio titans and Faux News, and favoritism he received from legions of conservative elites, conservative voters of every stripe rejected him in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina – the first three contested states in the 2008 cycle where Romney out-spent all of his opponents combined. Why? Because guys who sign into law $50 taxpayer subsidized abortions after their alleged pro-life conversion, and illegally enact sodomy marriage unconstitutionally without a valid court order don’t pass the smell test with the base. As another person on this list once said, “You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.”-Sarah PalinPOSITIVES – To the base she’s not a politician, she’s a rock star. She has natural charisma and charm that other politicians have to pay an army of consultants to create. No one’s name recognition is higher.NEGATIVES – She’s just not qualified to be president yet. Her resume is an unfinished product, and that’s being kind. If Ann Coulter said on my show she would advise her not to run. Last election, she was Luke Skywalker going out to confront Darth Vader before he was ready, and just like Luke she got creamed. She needs more Jedi training. Her ability to articulate conservative issues on the campaign trail wasn’t even Romneyesque, let alone Reaganesque. Might I submit that if you can’t outwit Katie Couric, you’re not ready for that dude in Iran whose name I still can’t pronounce or spell.-Mike HuckabeePOSITIVES – High name recognition, adored by the base, and he gained added credibility by aggressively opposing the disastrous and unconstitutional Bush bailout. The best living communicator the Republican Party currently has. His wit, charm, and winsomeness will give him permission to attack Obama that other more stoic or rigid Republicans can’t pull off without looking mean. He’s done everything smart since dropping out. He supported McCain without being a sycophant, he’s got a popular Fox TV show, a regular national radio spot, and has built himself a real organization. Because of that, he’ll be able to raise the money he couldn’t last time despite his surprising success.NEGATIVES – The elites at places like CPAC hate him because he went to seminary and not law school and has a funny last name. They’d almost rather have Obama president for life than subject themselves to him as their standard-bearer. The RINOs in the party hate Christians far more than the Left does, so he’ll win over their collective dead bodies.-Newt GingrichPOSITIVES – Nobody is smarter, more eloquent, and more respected within all three factions of the base: defense, fiscal, and Christian conservatives. Plain and simple, no carbon based life-form calling themselves a Republican is more innovative from a solutions standpoint. He can embarrass Obama intellectually in a debate.NEGATIVES – Has to address his past peccadilloes up front, because the Left and his primary opponents certainly will. Also seems to be the kind of leader that does better as a revolutionary than a standard-bearer (wonder if he’d make a better chief of staff than a president). The new Newt is also too friendly with the Left at times (see last year’s bizarre advocacy ad with Nancy Pelosi as an example).-Bobby JindalPOSITIVES – The anti-Palin, he lacks her charisma and stature, but is the only person on this list anywhere near Gingrich’s league intellectually. It’s also clear the party has decided he’s a conservative they can live with given the opportunities he’s getting, so he’s the girl with the curl right now.NEGATIVES – A bad contrast to Obama. He’s much shorter, much more reserved, and so young he makes Obama look like a man of stature and accomplishment. He should wait until 2016 or 2020.-
Mark SanfordPOSITIVES - Reputation as a guy with bedrock conservative credentials, and you have to be in a state like South Carolina where they aren’t squishy. Also a fresh face with a more developed political resume than either of the other so-called fresh faces like Jindal.NEGATIVES – Fresh face also means unknown, so he needs free media and the ability to raise money to raise his profile. Also considered kind of dry from a charisma standpoint, which isn’t what you want opposite President Obama.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Obviously this guy doesn’t know his history with Romney, the $50 abortions or same sex marriage were not his doing.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Who the heck is this guy and why do I care what he thinks? that’s my two cents.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
You’re turning into quite the low-life lately Kristofer. What’s this anti-Mormon stuff doing on here?
March 27th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
#2, he carries a lot of influence in the Iowa caucus. You should care.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
illinoisguy,
ARTL released this video, I contacted one of the producers/personalities in the video and posted it on this site. I have given NO opinion (like I said in the post).
I posted the 9-11 campaign video earlier today.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
He also forgets Romney won the conservative vote in New Hampshire.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
How dare he call Mitt a phony. His hair is REAL!
March 27th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
This is the part where Mittbots say this post is SOOOOOO not front page material…
Lets be fair to Ann Coulter tho. She supported Duncan Hunter –lotta votes that translated into, har har har.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
6, Romney didn’t win the republican vote in NH. He DID win the xenophobe vote, that much is certain.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
I don’t know who these people are and quite honestly I don’t care. Ok, he claims to have influence in Iowa. I wish the GOP could actually get every vote that “leaders” in the conservative movement claim to carry. There aren’t that many people in US. Every one of these people has an agenda and a favorite candidate, so their opinions on all the candidates mean little to nothing to me.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Just because somebody puts together a hate filled video doesn’t mean you have to post it. It says several very negative things about your gal too, but I don’t even want to hear it either. Its beneath you to be perpetuating this garbage Kris. We may not always agree on things, but I thought you were better than this.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
sampo – LOL
March 27th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
#12 And not the good kind.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
These idiots are HUGE anti-Romney guys. Some how its now news to simply ask these guys what their well-known views are. LOL. Are you this desperate already? Now it seems news and commentary is simply to ask the most anti-Romney guys on the planet to repeat their views. Romney WON the conservative vote in the primary BY FAR? So he didn’t win those 3 states–I guess that is now news!
You want to talk rejection? Review how often The Huckster came in 3rd or 4th place. Look how many times he gt less than 15 or even 10 percent of the vote? That, my friends is rejection! Oh yeah, and he is supposed to get credit because he couldn’t get anyone to support him!
Maybe time to leave this sorry cite as suggested at CommittedtoRomney.com and let the few non-Romney supporters have fun talking to themselves.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Sampo, what in the heck was your stupid xenophobe comment supposed to mean? According to the dictionary, it means, “a person who fears or hates foreigners, strange customs, etc.” So, I haven’t the foggiest idea what you’re insinuating relative to Mitt Romney.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
it’s so sad to see the proud conservative not even be able to debate with another conservative. republicans are trying become more relevant? maybe they could have respectful debates among themselves and -gasp- respectfully disagree with each other before going to middle america to trumpet the message of conservatism? isn’t that what the late buckly did? i cant help but think of the millions mark levin is now making off his new book. he’s spent countless hours answering endless questions but every interview he gives is a cream puff interview.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Kristofer,
Why post a link to this and inflame the Romney supporters? Why not post about this op-ed set for release over the weekend…
“Shovel ready or digging a hole?”
By Gov. Sarah Palin
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/139792
March 27th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
You Rombots sure are touchy.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Illinois,
Sampo is talking about the fact that Romney dominated among those voters who stated in exit polls that their #1 issue was illegal immigration…I disagree with the characterization of these folks as “xenophobes” but I agree with the argument that the media was able to successfully portray these voters, who went overwhelmingly, for Mitt as xenophobes and that contributed to our tarnished standing with “moderate” Republicans (I suspect the republicans we lost were hispanic and black republicans) and perhaps some “conservative” indies.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
This is just a hit piece. I don’t see how such a thing encourages reasoned discussion, which I hope would be the point of this site.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
What is “hit piece” about it? I’ll be the first to concede that Kristofer’s posts aren’t always the most enlightening, but what is wrong with this? I found it entertaining, at the very least.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Gamecock is THE talk radio authority on Race for 2008/2012 and he has never heard of any of the four hosts referred to in this blog.
move on
March 27th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
19, check the exit polls. what was mitt romney’s supporters’ solution for illegal immigration? –deport them. presumably all 12 million. yes folks, they called for 12 million elian gonzalez’s. not even tom tancredo proposed we round up and deport the majority of illegals.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
#21 said;
WTH! You write about Miss. Spears!
If this was a hit piece I would not have invested the time in contacting this influenctial radio host and asking him to comment on all the leading candidates.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Boy, simply post a hit piece from the biggest anti-Romney guys. No doubt this will become a regular weekly update. Time to give this place a rest if this is the sort of “insightful” commentary we can now expect. MUCH later. Bye.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Mitt is the best of the best and your arrogance, hate and bigotry are showing… quite sad that you can neither tell nor appreciate good…
March 27th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
#2 Because if you can not tell, He isn’t too high on Romney but is on Huckabee, Deace gave Huckabee considerable time on his radio before the Iowa Caucus and Deace does have influence in Iowa.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Some of ya’ll take this waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy tooo seriously.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
this is quite interesting. this piece names 6 candidates and yet Mitt is the most talked about. that ought to tell people something.. God bless America with Mitt Romney!
March 27th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Britney’s songs are generally more enlightening than anything Sarah Palin said in that Couric interview.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
President Romney
President Palin
President Huckabee
President Jindal
President Gingrich
President Sanford
President Pawlenty
President Thune
President Giuliani
President Petraeus
President Barbour
President Crist
President Bush III
President Johnson
President Huntsman
March 27th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
President Palin flows best. (President Bush and President Johnson even better than Palin, but, well, we’ve been there before.) President Crist flows well. President Romney flows fairly well. President Huckabee seems silly.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
and comment #31 would be called enlightening?
March 27th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
That is the most disgusting video…I could not endure it after only a couple minutes. These guys you call conservatives are really just conceited evangelical Mormon haters.
Their claims against Romney are full of lies, super-lies and distortions. What they have against Romney is nothing but a smoke screen to disguise their real purpose. They don’t want to rationally discuss Romney’s views on any issues, they refuse to accept facts, insist on lying and they do this not to advance their conservative cause but to denigrate the Mormon.
And Gregg Jackson, come on! He is one of the biggest liars with the biggest mouth I have ever heard. I have sworn to never read another column by this religious bigot after the first few were so outrageous and full of falsehoods. How did this guy ever get a voice? Who lent creedence to him in the first place. He deserves none.
If you really want to know the truth about Romney and abortion, Massachusetts health insurance, you definitely don’t need to listen to the Mormon haters. These guys make stuff up. Don’t encourage them by giving them an audience.
Here is some calm persuasive reasoning :http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/front_page/efm_releases_two_important_doc.php
March 27th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Its important we not give credence or recognition to this sort of “commentary” by frequenting sites that offer it as legitimate commentary.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
33 – Yeah.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Kavon, you’re allowing a bunch of jerks to interject a huge amount of devisiveness by allowing this kind of garbage. You saw how long it has taken for many of us to get over Huckabee’s garbage, and this is just more of the same, but cuts even deeper. Kris brought anti-Mormon propaganda right straight to this site, and I don’t think we should tolerate it. Please instruct! Thanks. You’re a good guy, and have a tough time controlling some of these guys, but you surely can control the FPP to not bring this kind of devisiveness to the party.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Yeah I didn’t read past the Romney tirade but the guy lost credibility immediately at that point.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:13 am
And Sampo, if you happen to think that Mitt supported rounding up 12 million people to send them back to their home country, you’ve either had amnesia, or you weren’t watching. That would have been Mr. Huckabee, after he did the 180 degree flip flop on the subject. Mitt’s plan was not much different than McCain’s except on the subject of amnesty. Mitt did not believe you give citizenship to parties who came here illegally before you give it to those who have been waiting in line legally for many years. What conservative would think you should? Answer: NONE And if Mitt would have been the candidate he would have been well able to articulate his position so that none could not understand and few would disagree.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:15 am
See #28
March 28th, 2009 at 12:29 am
what a bunch of frauds! I can’t believe that they would have the audacity to bring facts to the table and confront the almighty ann coulter, facts that she shouldn’t have to refute. And then to think that these people are republicans or support conservative principles? How could they possibly question the integrity and honesty of someone by using their own quotes and the actual law they signed. Why can’t they just accept the fact that actual facts have no place in te discussion? they must just have hate in their hearts and are bigots. I can’t think of any other reason for this display of rational questioning. or maybe I am just being sarcastic? who knows?
March 28th, 2009 at 12:34 am
illinoisguy, Huckabee never supported rounding up 12 million illegals and shipping them back. and please lets not get into who had more 180′s, that is a losing battle for you romney supporters. maybe you should read some of the plan before you start talking about it.
I have and will be a Huckabee supporter, but I am not sure he will be running again in 2012, but I am sure taht if he did decide to run his positions would be consistent as tehy have been since I first started supporting him when he was in AR.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:47 am
These four guys are the reason the Republicans have such a terrible “brand” issue.
Listen guys……Mike Huckabee is never, ever, ever going to be president. He’s not presidential material. He wasn’t in 2008 and four years from now isn’t going to make a difference. And your tactic of fanatical Romney hatred isn’t going to make that fact ever go away.
Mike Huckabee gave a speech at CPAC and still got trounced by Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin…two people weren’t even there. And he got trounced by Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich…..one is already in his mid 70′s and one will be close to 70 in 2012!!
Mike Huckabee isn’t ever going to be accepted and liked by anyone except far, far right Christian conservatives. He’ll never have the backing of anyone who is a power player.
Mike Huckabee is weak in every category with other candidates except the abortion issue.
But that doesn’t really matter.
Because if abortion was such an important issue to religious people why did Obama the most radical pro-abortion candidate beat McCain, clearly the candidate with an impeccable anti-abortion record, in every religion except with Protestant’s. And McCain barely won that religion.
Again Huckabee is a losing proposition for POTUS….period.
The GOP’s best bet is a Romney/Jindal or a Romney/Sanford ticket.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:54 am
You can’t get more predictable than Mittbots. (see posts: 10, 11, 14, 20, 25, 26, 34, 35, 37, 38).
March 28th, 2009 at 12:57 am
“You can’t get more predictable than Mittbots”
Really Mittbots? What are you twelve.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:15 am
Well sheryl, Huckabee got beat at CPAC because for the last several years he hasn’t flown people in to vote for him. See the biggest thing that Romney supporters have failed to take note of is taht you can buy endorsements and votes in straw polls but on election day that stuff doesn’t matter. I am not saying Huckabee is going to be president but I do support him if he does decide to run again. I find it interesting that if someone supports Huckabee and not romney that they are haters but if you hate Huckabee and love romney you are just smart. Also, please explain to me using facts how huckabee is weak in every category except abortion and how he won in a state that is far from far far right christian conservative? I would like to also be explained using facts how and why Romney is the strongest candidate in every category except abortion (since huckabee is strongest there) and why he is our best bet. His record doesn’t explain this, although some talking heads with in the establishment (by the way the “establishment” is why we keep getting beat) keep saying he is without backing it up and becoming very defensive when questioned about it.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:17 am
I have to agree that this is a pretty stupid post. The youtube video is kinda dumb but I can see how some could be entertained by it. But no commentary on it? What’s that about? If you’re gonna post the thing at least have the guts to give your opinion on it.
The rest of it might as well be an interview with my crazy uncle. Whoopity-doo. Dumb post and definitely not getting upset over.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:19 am
Wow, this Steve guy is either an Anti Mormon or he is just straight blind and petty! If Romney were an Evangelical nobody would calling him a phony, but some in the media and it would be less! What a joke! The man has the most bigoted things done to him, is attacked more than anyone and still stays SO DAMN UPBEAT!! Why is he not petty like Mike Huckabee, who’s big Christlike act is a farce! The man is so secretly negative and petty! Obsessed with Romney and still full of negative feelings towards a man he knocked out of the race, due to the most UNAMERICAN CAMPAIGN IN HISTORY! Smuck won only, because of ANTI MORMON SWEPT IOWA!!!!!! Trust me, I know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Romney is as genuine as it gets! Most rich people I know could only dream of being as strong and happy as he is! He was not handed his buisnesses by his DADDY! He built his own company from the graound up! THIS STEVE GUY NEEDS TO GET BITCH SMACKED AND REALIZE HE IS THE REAL PHONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 1:32 am
You Huckabee clowns lie more than anyone!! You are full of it, just like sissy fake preacher Smucko! He is a farce and the cheesiest guy I have ever laid eyes on in politics!! Is that all you guys do is complain about Romneys riches???? What sorry loosers you guys are!! FAKE ASS PREACHER SMUCK!! Romney did not fly people in you clown!!! I hope Huckabee runs, the only reason he would think about not, is to stop a Mormon!! If he runs at the same time as Palin, he is a God send TO ROMNEY! Knowing Smuckabee I will gaurantee he runs! Ultimately his huge ego and petty desire to prove to everyone he is something special will over power his even greater desire to stop the man he hates more than anything! The man already claimed God raised up his campain and then tried to signal some kind of sign from GOD, that because he was 44th Gov. of ARKANSAS, he was destined to be the 44th PRES. SORRY YOU SMUCKABEE FOOLS!! His time has time has passed!!! The mans show sucks, because he sucks!! If he were not an Evangelical he would hardly do good at all! ROMNEY IS THE MAN! A WAY WAY BETTER MAN IN EVERY WAY THAN SMUCK!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 2:21 am
Gee, too bad Knickers doesn’t have her own local radio gig or we could ask for her official opinion on Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee. It would be just about as enlightening and productive as this.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Also, yeah, shocking that the Mitt supporters would be up in arms. Gregg Jackson?! Really?!?! Next lets base our opinion on Rush Limbaugh based on what Al Franken says about him.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:55 am
46: Wow. This is a first. A Hucknut who wants to talk FACTS and ELECTION day (of course, without mentioning any himself). OK. Here are a few FACTS about last election day and why Romney has a much better chance of winning than Huckabee.
Romney: One term Mormon Gov. from Mass. with ties to Michigan and the West. Romney comes in second place prior to his withdrawal (despite having a number of up-comming states he would have done well in) in a contest that most know was actually a lot closer than the final delegate vote as a result of a few close losses and McCain prevailing in a number of winner-take-all states. In a field of actual GOP stars (McCain, Guiliani, Thompson, etc.), it is Romney who had the winning strategy that almost worked.
Romney won 11 states and came in either 1st or 2nd in 22 of the 29 states he competed in. He won over 30% of the vote in 19 of those states! He was the only candidate that could draw good support in every region of the country.
Huckabee-the 10 year Governor- placed 3rd or 4th in 21 states! He got 15% or less of the vote 23 times! He got 10% or LESS (you know-single digits) in 12 states!. Huckabee is mostly a regional candidate WITH A VERY HARD GLASS CEILING whose only hope for victory is in a heavily congested field. Huckabee was only able to beat Romney by 3 points in MO. and 2 points in GA. and had to conspire/join with McCain to narrowly beat Romney’s 47% in WV!
Another FACT from the exit polls: Romney usually won the conservative vote with McCain winning the more moderate vote. Who do you really think those moderate GOP voters are going to vote for in a Romney/Huckabee contest?
Finally, I believe Romney has done well since his graceful exit in the primaries. He simply shined in campaigning for McCain and was certainly McCain’s most effective surrogate. AND REMEMBER, THAT CONTEST WAS NOT PRIMARILY ABOUT THE ECONOMY. Given the current and probable economic conditions in 2012, the conditions will play to Romney’s strengths more so than 2008. As for his weakness, the “flip-flop” charge on some social issues, that is now going to be even further in the past and less damaging.
As for Huckabee, his election day results from 2008 speak for themselves. And franky, there is still a lot of “crazy right wing preacher” stuff out there. And Mike simply can’t stop his gaffe machine and petty, mean-spirited and vindictive ways.
Seems to me there are a lot of FACTS to be encouraged about if you support Romney. Perhaps its just me.
Regards.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:08 am
James,
Mitt Romney flew people in to vote for him in a straw poll that is three years before an election that he hasn’t even declared his going to run in….ummm I find that very hard to believe and would like to see the back up to your assertion.
And your right, votes do matter. Mitt dropped out of the race a month before Huckabee and he still received more popular votes and won more states than Huckabee.
As far as which subjects Mitt is stronger than Huckabee, I would say Mitt is superior with the economy and in both foreign and domestic policies. All you have to do is go back to the debates to see that. Clearly Mitt won most of them because he has great command of facts, ideas and the conservative principle that created this country which he communicates with brilliant conciseness. Evidenced in his religion speech he gave in Texas.
One of the reason’s I think McCain lost the presidency….he was an awful debater up against Obama. McCain just didn’t, nor do I think Huckabee possesses, the mental agility to counter Obama’s clever disassembling. Mitt would have no problem in this area.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:33 am
For most, I imagine this will fall on deaf ears. But, while reading this excerpt below, this mutt cocked his head, hearing a barely-audible dog whistle; perhaps a subtle signal to AIP that Sarah’s still proud to be on their side. John Coale called Palin a “fascinating person” who is “definitely not what the right thinks or the left thinks.” He may be right. I may be crazy. But Palin just may be the lunatic you’re looking for.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:59 am
Excuse me for this, but I will simply say that if Newt Gingrich will throw his personal issues out there early, so the public openly talks about them, he surely has the clearest path to the nomination. He sounds presidential, he’s an ideas guy, he’s a visionary, he’s forward looking, he’s not a far-right christian nut like others, and he doesn’t carry the stigma of a religion that isn’t yet fully accepted or understood in America. Frankly, the fact that he has personal issues, humanizes him and allows a large swath of Americans to relate to him. In my humble opinion, Gingrich IS our only hope for the Presidency in 2012.
March 28th, 2009 at 4:01 am
I don’t think Romney is a phony at all. If you’ve actually met him outside of politics you would know he’s a great wonderful man.
March 28th, 2009 at 4:21 am
I like Mitt Romney and I think he’s a brilliant man. I just like Newt more.
March 28th, 2009 at 5:55 am
I went to bed early last night so I missed the discussion. First of all, I do like much of what you write Kristopher and I admire how you defend Mrs. Palin and Palinism. However, I really do not think that this contest you started was the wisest thing. Most of us already know what Mr. Romney’s positions on the issues are and we are thusly in part either in his camp or another camp. As such there is no need to rub their noses in the dirt. I hope that you will soon get this out of your system because I do not think we can carry on like this in 2011. Be reading some of the comments, I can see that in just a few days, non-Romney camps have lost a lot of good will. We cannot afford to have the Romney camp stay home in November 2012 if a non-Romney candidate wins the nomination. At the same time, if Mr. Romney does win, I think we need to support him over Mr. Obama. I tell you as a Palinite, I would be sad if a non-Palin candidates wins the nomination, but we need to come together because Mr. Romney and most other non-Palin candidates are at least several times better than Mr. Obama. Please, I ask you both as a loyal Palinite and as a loyal Republican to try to avoid stoking the flames of such contests. This will not do our cause any good. We cannot afford to lose good will among our fellow party members. Yes, a few non-Palinites have done the same to us, but most non-Palinites in the party do not hate her and they do not trash her. It is not good to attack an entire camp. This cycle of revenge must stop at some point.
March 28th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Mom and dad should know better than to go out on a Friday night without locking up Kristofer, his keyboard, and/or the liquor cabinet beforehand.
March 28th, 2009 at 6:35 am
Would it be premature for me to announce that I am 100 percent, 360 degrees behind Bill Frist for President? Neither he nor George Allen could conceivably lose…
March 28th, 2009 at 6:49 am
#22 Gamecock–Let me help you a little. Mr. Bill Keller increased his fame at the beginning of the primaries by declaring to his millions of followers that “A vote for Romney is a vote for Satan”
So, we can all see the great degree to which these people will go to be objective. LOL
March 28th, 2009 at 7:01 am
Kristofer, what’s next? A study on Huckabee’s destruction of all the computer hard drivers in his administration just before leaving office as governor? A discussion of Palin’s blessing against witchcraft? John McCain’s cheating on his first wife? Giuliani’s mob connections? A play-by-play of Jindal’s exercism? Huntsman’s rush for the gay vote? Gingrich’s infidelity? Or maybe we should compare animals? How about Mitt’s dog’s ride on the roof? Huckabee’s boy scout leader son’s torturing a dog to death at Boy Scout Camp? Palin’s “shoot’em-for-fun” helicopter rides?
By the way, “I don’t have an opinion on this video” is pretty lame. That’s like Chuck Norris saying “I’m trying to stay neutral” if asked about Huckabee.
I have a CHALLENGE for you Kristofer. Why don’t you look into the accusations made against Mitt by this video using all of your intellectual and investigative abilty and give us a report on what you find and determine knowing that your reputation is on the line.
Well, what say ye?
March 28th, 2009 at 7:33 am
#58- OhinJoe, I couldn’t agree with you more.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:34 am
#58- OhioJoe, I couldn’t agree with you more.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:40 am
“The RINOs in the party hate Christians”
Glad to see Steve Deace has a really strong grasp on how other people in the party really feel.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:58 am
Like Ohio Joe, I slept through all of this.
First, let me say, WHO radio (Reagan worked there) is a 50,000 watt blow torch that can be heard throughout Iowa and much of the upper midwest…and Steve Deace is by FAR their most popular host.
Second, as I’ve said ad nuaseum here, Mitt & Huck could mend fences/join forces right now and end all of this. The fact is, both men are deeply loved and deeply despised by elements of the GOP. I don’t see either winning without the help of the other.
They wouldn’t necessarily need to be running mates, but that would probably be best. Regardless, the two men and their respective camps need to swallow their pride and get on the same team.
As we’ve seen with Alex’s stunning reversal of opinion, Palin could easily do an ‘end around’ on Mitt & Mike by joining up with Rudy.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:09 am
2 years too early with this stuff.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:19 am
It is obvious that the people in this video are haters of the Mormon people. There is an agenda there. That one guy is the one that O’Reilly interviewed who said “Voting for Mitt Romney would be the same thing as voting for satan”
I can’t trust those wanna be Christian people. Christ, in my view, would have never treated anyone like that. Instead, they are behaving more like the Pharisees who treated Christ the same way, so……I don’t get why this was posted in the first place.
There have been a couple posts on here lately that have been very irresponsible. Like the one that said the people at ComMitted were “doubting their candidate”
I hope you guys can start having some more intellectual honesty in your posts.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:55 am
All I saw in those videos was anti-Mormonism, and militant pro-life fire and brimstone, neither of which wins elections.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
55, I think that’s a good idea. How about you make an FPP about Newt and start the ball rolling.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Kristofer, you have been writing some really good stuff lately. Why did you derail yesterday? The Matthew piece was terrible and misleading. This post was downright lies and tripe.
You claim to have stated no opinion on the video. But you say that “it is a must watch.” That in itself is a strong and ringing endorsement. You put your stamp of approval on this video by simply linking it in the first place. I can only see two motivations for this post. Either you agree with these feces slingers or you just wanted to stir up controversy Jerry Springer style. Whatever your reason was it seriously erodes your credibility.
Then you quote Deace who has nothing of any substance to say positively about Romney or of negativity about Huckabee. And there is tons of negative that could be said about Huck. This guy has blinders on for Huck and apparently will sell his soul to keep spreading the lies for “God’s candidate”.
Kavon I usually really like this site because there are some good FPPs, but most of all because of the really great commentors on here like OHIO, MWS, Illinois, GetReal and others. This post and the blatant anti-Mormon vitriol is unworthy of any political discussion and drags this site through the septic tank. Gonna take a break from here for a while.
Ohio, I’ve been warming to Palin for a while in large part because you and MWS are such stand up guys. If I though Kristofer was the voice of the majority of Palinites I would write her off the way I have Huck. Can you link a good discussion board for Palin? Maybe I’ll run across you somewhere else.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:19 am
I like Gingrich, but I believe him to be unelectable. Mitt Romney is just as good, has no garbage, and is electable.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
#55,
I don’t disagree with you about Newt, I just prefer to have a man who’s life has been examplary on all fronts. Mitt has great fidelity to his family. A man who commits adultery has a tainted and scarred soul, no matter how good his politics sound. If it happened once, it can the more easily happen again.
With Romney we won’t have to worry about that. Furthermore, why did no one ever bring up the fact that Mitt never accepted a salary as CEO of the Olympics nor when he was Governor? I don’t know any rich people even who would do take on those responsibilities for free. I think sometimes the Mitt haters on here are too focused on his abortion shift(I do believe he tricked Liberals into voting for him and am glad he did)and not enough on his virtues, which far exceed his perceived weaknesses, and any other candidates for that matter.
What CEO would have shit down their company and employ their workers to go to New York to search for a man’s(who worked for him)daughter until they found her?
Let’s not ignore the compassion and selfless service Mitt has given to his country and the people around him. Being that I have not chosen to ignore these things, it really pains me to see others so frivolously cast false judgement on his character.
We need to take a look at the mans overall life, record, and accomplishments, and judge him by that.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:26 am
#71,
True, it was blatantly irresponsible. The author of that post, and this one, needs to evaluate his agenda and perhaps work of the New York times. It was unbecoming of a conservative, and more in the fashion of a democrat.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:42 am
I’m am definitely not a Coulter fan and Romney was not my choice for the nomination last year, but these talk show guys are first rate wackos. If conservatives and the GOP can’t get past this kind of stuff, it’s over—period.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I’ll say it before and I’ll say it again. You guys are wasting time fighting over Mitt. Neither he, nor any other ’08 candidaete, will be the nominee in ’12. He gave it a solid run this past time around, and would have been a far better standard bearer than what we got. I don’t know if he would have won, but he would have made an infinitely more competent President than Obama and McCain put together.
But that said, he lost, and there’s nothing he’ll have as a plus on his resume in ’12 that he didn’t have in ’08. He is a one-term governor who self-financed his way into viability last time around, and his conservative bona fides are in question with the base (foolishly, I might add).
He is the ONLY of the ’08 candidates with a shadow of a chance to resurrect viability in ’12, but it’s still just that–a shadow of a chance. Palin, Sanford, Pawlenty, Thune. These are your ’12 viables (Jindal won’t run, IMHO).
March 28th, 2009 at 9:53 am
I was hoping to see more condemnation from you mac. You seem like a pretty good guy and reasonable most of the time. I hope you can understand that the devisiveness caused by this posting really hurts our party.
The Palin posters have really showed their true colors lately. Yesterday, Tommy Boy was cheering on higher crude oil prices so that Palin’s budget would not call for the raising of taxes. He called himself an A__ hole, but didn’t repudiate what he had said, or believe he was wrong in doing so apparently. Now, we have Kristofer putting out this garbage. Kris, for someone who says that Mitt is your third choice right now, and that you would enthusiastically support him, you have a strange way of showing it.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:55 am
#75,
“I’m am definitely not a Coulter fan and Romney was not my choice for the nomination last year, but these talk show guys are first rate wackos. If conservatives and the GOP can’t get past this kind of stuff, it’s over—period.”
The absolute truth spoken.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Btw, aren’t these particular talk show hosts supporting Huckabee?? Go figure.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:01 am
#76,
“But that said, he lost, and there’s nothing he’ll have as a plus on his resume in ‘12 that he didn’t have in ‘08. He is a one-term governor who self-financed his way into viability last time around, and his conservative bona fides are in question with the base (foolishly, I might add).”
Mitt would have done well had he won Iowa, then would have most likely taken that momentum to NH but the bigotry Huck stirred spoiled that. He still could have won had it not been for the lie about “timetables” from McCain. Romney did extremely well for the unfortunate obstacles(bigotry) he had to overcome. With greater name recognition and having spent 3 years helping other republicans get elected, and with much higher economic credentials we saw in 08, I think he will be a force to recon with. His strong suit, which is the economy, will be exactly what the country will need.
The majority of pundits and political analysts, believe his chances will be greater. Many have compared it to Reagan coming back and winning the nomination 2nd time around. Reagan, who signed into law the largest abortion bill, was concerning to conservatives.
I think you are way off correct paradigm here.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:03 am
You know, the video at the top of the page is pretty nasty. We know who doesn’t like Mitt Romney. We get it and that’s enough. Mitt Romney would make a far greater president than what we have now. Period. Anyone that is wiling to throw an election but dividing a the party into factions this early doesn’t have the right to even participate in my mind. You people should calm down and just realize what we have now is going to bring us so far down that even Mr. Huckabee or Mr. Romney or Mr. Gingrich or Mr. Gregg, on their worst day, will be far better. Get over the few instances of inconsistency; no candidate has been or ever will be consistent. Mr. Bush wasn’t. Mr. McCain wasn’t. Mr. Reagan wasn’t. Get over it and start working for who you love and support so we can put them in the White House in 2012.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:26 am
HeY.ATL. You people sure help your cause by helping elect the most liberial Presideint, Speaker of the House an Senate Leader. Good going, With people like your org constant nagging Mr Romney, you help ensure the stem cell issue ban was lifted, partial birth abortions will be legal.Good going, keep it up.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:38 am
77
Illinois guy,
First of all, I haven’t looked at the video Kris posted, so I’m not sure where the ‘Deace is a Mormon hater’ outrage is coming from.
I’m familiar with Deace; he’s a good guy that about who has repeatedly said on his show that he wouldn’t think twice about voting for a Mormon candidate. He loves Orrin Hatch. Deace does have a problem with Mitt but, my friend, he’s never called down lightening strikes on Mitt or anyone else.
If Mitt & Mike were to mend fences and become a team, I’m pretty sure that Deace would use his influence, which is considerable in Iowa, to promote Mitt & Mike. Again, for either of these guys to win, the Shia-Sunni/Evangelical-Mormon stuff needs to end. Who better to end it then Mitt & Mike? They can help each other like no one else.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:43 am
83 correction
*Deace is a good guy who has repeatedly said he wouldn’t think twice about voting for a Mormon candidate.*
I need to proof read before commenting.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Sampo (#44) wrote:
Hey, I’m now a Mittbot! Wow, I’m almost as proud as I was the day that Aron Goldman said I was an extremist socon.
Illinoisguy, where do I go to get my secret decoder ring?
BTW, I hope this doesn’t mean I have to start thinking Knickers has a brain.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:05 am
#85, sorry, you lost me on that one! Decoder ring? If you mean how do I repent of all my previous biases and jump on the Romney wagon, no need for ceremony. I don’t think you’d need to dumb yourself down or anything!
March 28th, 2009 at 11:07 am
84 – Its pretty clear he wouldn’t think twice. That’s the problem, he should give it some fair thought, not just immediately discount them.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:09 am
This is hilarious. Kristofer is quite the deceiver.
Notice how his title of his post has nothing to do with ROMNEY at all. It only mentions Ann Coulter and her attackers from some obscure radio station. I clicked play on the video thinking I would see, “just that”, some political activists hitting Coulter around. But NO! All I start to see is a hit piece on Romney. The focus wasn’t on Coulter AT ALL.
Kristofer knew exactly what he was doing. This is just another jab at Romney. (how many is this now your? 1,000th hit piece?) Oh and don’t you like how in the description he puts this as a ” MUST WATCH”.
He knew this would be just another way to “zing” Romney and all of the supporters of the site.
Kristofer deserves a golden star on his forehead.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:11 am
85 – Welcome aboard Bob! Haha. Also, if you ever do become a Mittbot, keep in mind Knickers has a fan club that includes only herself and Martha on this site.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:34 am
#88,
“Notice how his title of his post has nothing to do with ROMNEY at all.”
I was thinking the same thing. What a deceptive title. A not so well hidden agenda. But can an agenda really be a hidden one if it is so blatantly obvious what the agenda is?
March 28th, 2009 at 11:39 am
The 2012 election is going to be all about Obama and his job performance. Obama’s main strengths are his intelligence and likability.
In order to puncture those perceptions we need someone more intelligent that has a friendly personality. Someone who can effectively tell us how Obama’s policies have been bad for America but do it in a nice way.
I’m afraid the majority of the America people are never going to think Palin or Huckabee are smarter than Obama. It’s just not going to happen.
Sanford, Pawlenty, Thune have too little name recognition. Plus I don’t think it’s wise to run someone up against the Chicago/Obama machine who hasn’t been vetted in a national campaign….too much could go wrong.
Paul may run but why……he’s going to be 77 by then. Newt is a bit younger but doesn’t look it. I know Reagan was about Newt’s age when he won the nomination but Newt doesn’t have Reagan’s appeal. And at his age he’d need that quality to win.
Nope Christian conservatives need to start wrapping their minds around the fact that our best hope of regaining the White House is rallying and supporting Mitt Romney for POTUS.
That is if Mitt even decides to run and hasn’t gone all John Galt on us by then.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:40 am
#88,
“Kristofer knew exactly what he was doing. This is just another jab at Romney.”
At least ComMittedtoromney.com has the common sense to “boot” someone who wasn’t even posting irresponsibly, just getting a little emotionally defensive. That would be Matthew by the way. Kristofer is not responsible enough to post mature content on this site. If that keeps going on, this site will lose readers, thereby losing search engine rankings and therefore losing income also.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:40 am
This is a story that impacts 2012. These guys are not jobs, but it is important.
So I logged on the Romney blog and I see this on their site…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKbm0QRa9g0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcommittedtoromney%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded
So how are you attacking this site, but not the Romney blog who has an video talking about $50 abortions?
March 28th, 2009 at 11:44 am
93 – Its the context of the post people take issue with Bob. It was very misleading. The Huckabee ad was also misleading, but the post on the Romney blog is correcting the issues, not trying to pass one thing off as another, like an anti-Romney hit piece video just being about Ann Coulter.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:46 am
mac’s comment at the end of 83 is dead on. But to be successful it has to be promulgated by both sides of the issue. I see a great majority of Romney people moving past the religion thing. They do broach it like ILguy(he is only defending his deeply held beliefs as anyone should) but only when it has been raised by others.
However the same cannot be said of the former Huck people. Mr lorellis post is another great example of it and then we get the sampos, bob hovics of the world showing up, I am actually surprised that Colorado guy hasnt made an appearance. What good can possibly come from this post? (unless Krisofer joys in creating contention)
The need to denigrate someone because of their belief system has got to end. it is counterproductive and useless, it serves no purpose and strengthens the hand of our opponents by playing to the liberal mantra that conservatives are so judgemental that they cant even get along with those who profess to have the same foundational(belief in christ) that they do. It is juvenile, demeaning, disrepectful, and frankly un-american. I guess some people forget that the first right protected in the bill of rights is that of freedom of religion.
Its no secret I like Romney, he isnt perfect and he does have some areas he can improve in,
but his religious beliefs arent one of his problems and he is far from a phony as mr deace opines.
the fact that some people cant get past this issue reflects more on them than on Romney or his supporters
March 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Romney is intelligent. But it takes a true Rombot to think his personality is a plus.
Oops, I guess I just got kicked out again.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am
87
GetReal,
“That’s the problem, he should give it some fair thought, not just immediately discount them.”
You lost me. Deace has thought through these things a lot more than most. He loves Orrin, Mitt not so much.
Although Deace is an evangelical, like it or not, his criticism’s of Mitt are almost identical to those of Alex. Although I wouldn’t word them the same way as Deace (or Alex) , my reasons for not rating Mitt higher (I gave him a 7 along with Jindal and Tpaw) are for the same trust issues that Deace and Alex have with him. However, I’d certainly vote for Mitt over Obama; I’m pretty sure Deace would, too.
Alex would be Mr. Mitt if he’d run his prez campaign in the same way his ran his gov race. Deace would love Mitt if he ran as Orrin.
Those are the facts my friends!
March 28th, 2009 at 11:52 am
These guys are just your typical Huckster supporters and why The Huckster appears mostly to the extreme right-wing fringe element of the evangelical base. They are very good friends with Hucleberry and pretty much represent what he stands for. More of the “Don’t mormons believe Satan is the Jesus’s brother?” wing of evangelicals.
And if Kristopher represents Palin supporters–than they can go *** themselves.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:53 am
97 – Orrin is not going to run for president, and Deace knows that.
Also, I’d rather have Romney be pro-life and not have Alex’s approval than the reverse.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:54 am
97 – Also, Alex is willing to vote for Palin if she “reinvents” herself.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:55 am
98 – I wouldn’t group all Palin supporters in with Kristofer. Look at someone like Ohio Joe who makes arguments for Palin while remaining fair and reasonably positive Romney and other candidates.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:56 am
(with Romney) left out a word there
March 28th, 2009 at 11:57 am
“This is a story that impacts 2012.”
No it doesn’t. Again if abortion was such an important issue with religious people why did most people of religion vote for the most radical pro-abortion candidate? Obama won the majority of every religion except Protestants and most by fairly large percentages.
Maybe they didn’t really understand his beliefs in this area before they voted for him. But that doesn’t explain why now, after he’s taken very pro-abortion actions as president, why Notre Dame is giving him an honorary doctorate for heavens sake.
These four guys attacking Ann Coulter over their perceived notions about Romney’s abortion is more than pathetic.
The abortion issue doesn’t matter…..the majority of religious people proved that with their vote in 2008.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:59 am
103 – The abortion issue matters to me, and I’m a Romney supporter. What doesn’t matter to me is the opinion of those four radio wackos.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
mac-
i dont doubt deace has thought through this process with Mitt. His love of Hatch is commendable, but Hatch has a zero chance of being elected president. his ideological base is so far right that were he in a state other than Utah he probably would have a hard time being elected.(utah senators are replaced only when they die or retire-the just dont elect DEMS there)
your appeal to Alex and Deace is very interesting and it paints the portrait of the bigger issue we face as ap arty. do we go more moderate(as reference to social conservatism) to win nationally or do we stay to our roots at the risk of being marginalized on a national level? Do we emphasize the fiscally conservative nature that is so necessaary at this time and risk alienating the so con base?
very delicate place we are right now.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Hmmm … corep (#95), could you please point out where I denigrated someone’s religion?
I’ve posted three times in this thread: #20 (as BobH, I was on a different computer), #85, and #96.
Where was the denigration of a religion?
By the way — does this this mean I’m now a member of “former Huck people”? I’m joining so many groups now, it’s going to be tough to keep them all straight.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
“Romney is intelligent. But it takes a true Rombot to think his personality is a plus. Oops, I guess I just got kicked out again.”
Really Rombot. What are you twelve.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
#93
“So how are you attacking this site, but not the Romney blog who has an video talking about $50 abortions?”
Bob, I think you are the one who has been chatting at ComMitted? That was out of humor that that video was posted. Be hones and responsible Bob and don’t follow after the pattern of Kristofer who posted this article.
Could you not have also put the headline of that video which says “For old time sake”? We were having a laugh at the distortion of Mitt’s record by Huckster.
Sheesh, come one man!
March 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
bob if I miss characterized you I apologize. I view some of your comments as being dismissive of Romney. you tend to use the same verbage/reasons as that which was used since late 2007 from the Huck people.
So like any red blooded american I jumped to conclusions. appears they were wrong. I guess I just think taht Romney presents our best hope right now for 2012, and I think I am a fairly smart individual and I proscribe my same level of intelligence to everyone else so I just am absolutely floored when other intelligent individuals cant see what i see .
I think there are alot of positives to alot of possible people who may or may not run. One thing for sure we cannot allow 7 years and 9 months of Obama so i am all about putting up the best candidate that can win in the most crucial areas. states like CO, OH, FL, SC, MN, NV, IA, PA, NH, NM. thats probably why I am a romney guy cause I see him helping win back the states that made Obama pres. I dont think right now the other major candidates can do that.
Sanford intrigues me for sure though
March 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
#109,
Corep,
“I guess I just think taht Romney presents our best hope right now for 2012, and I think I am a fairly smart individual and I proscribe my same level of intelligence to everyone else so I just am absolutely floored when other intelligent individuals cant see what i see .”
I feel the same way, but it is important to remember, many people felt the same way about Reagan who turned out to be great. Some people had a great discernment, and others just had to see for themselves.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
“103 – The abortion issue matters to me, and I’m a Romney supporter. What doesn’t matter to me is the opinion of those four radio wackos.”
Well I care insomuch that these four conservative radio guys can do more damage to the conservative movement than they think, especially if they continue to attack good solid people on our side. All in their attempt to try to convince conservatives that Huckabee is the best candidate in 2012 because he’s strong on this one issue.
All I’m saying is that we will lose if that becomes thee issue to rallying around to get us to a candidate to compete against Obama in 2012.
Romney is fine on this issue and if any religious person tries to say that’s why they are not voting for Mitt they are lying. It’ll be because he’s Mormon, again because most religious people voted for the most radical pro-abortion president.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Sanford couldn’t talk himself out of a paper bag. Rember how well he did as a GOP surrogate during the general election. The GOP had to take him off the air!
March 28th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Bri-
i said he intrigues me,I didnt say i was in love with him.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Thanks, corep. My concern is not with whether anyone thinks I’m dismissive of Romney (I’m not, but that’s not a big deal), but about the religion point — I do not attack anyone on the basis of religion.
I actually recently listed Romney (with Palin) as my possible second choice (though I admit I didn’t give it a lot of thought — it’s too early for that, I think). I have little opposition to the idea of Romney as president; I just think, based on his 2008 performance and his inability to connect to the public, that he’s a poor candidate. If I change my opinion on that point, I could support him. I do state, probably too often, that I am very put off by the over-the-top behavior of some Romney supporters.
To lump me with Huckabee supporters is way off. Huckabee is at the absolute bottom of my list of possible candidates. If he got the nomination, I would vote for him over Obama, but that’s as far as I’ll go.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
A Romney / Gregg would win it for sure
March 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
cheers Bob. and ever so sorry to lump you with the Huckabee peeps.
your concern with Romney is what i share as well. I think the real answer is to have him out in front of people on the TV over the next few years. He needs to dumb down his talking manner a little bit. He tends to over speak from a vocabulary standpoint at times.
The funny thing is that he is more impromptu in person and comes off quite approachable in the campaign stops I say him where it wasnt as structured. I think the percpetion comes from his manner in the structured events like debates and presentations.
the solution is to have people see him more and become comfortable with both ways of presentation. I think he can bridge the gap but he needs to have more opportunity to do so and less formal interviews like he has been doing lately. It gets the intellectuals excited for sure, but leaves the average guy not understanding everything he is saying. I think they want to but they just arent used to people talking that way very often anymore(which is a condmnation on the american education system, but thats a discussion for another day)
March 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Fox has a story:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/american-right-life-ann-coulter-hang-ups/
March 28th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
The radio talk show crowd has ZERO enthusiasm for Mitt Romney. His record is too liberal, his flip-flopping too brazen.
This will make a difference in 2012.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
see I knew there was somebody I forgot to include in my vitrolict anti Romney group-
nice to sse you Flip- hows your saturday?
March 28th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
118.
THat makes no sense.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Flip Dixie,
Are you and I seeing 2 different radio talk show types? Hannity always has Mitt on, so does Hugh Hewitt, Bill Bennet, and many others. You must be listening to Rush Limbaugh all the time, cause he hasn’t really talked about Romney since the campain and pretty much endorsed him.
A couple weeks ago I listened to him on Ingrams show twice and all she could say is that he is the one who should be President at this time. Let’s state solid facts. I helps character to go about things in a honest fashion
March 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Can anyone name a prominent radio talk show host that is a passionate supporter of the Mittster?
March 28th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Laura Ingram, Hugh Hewitt, and the rest of them are too big to get into side picking yet. That sturs up all sorts of hurties from the Huck, Paul and Palin pepes.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
hannity, hewitt, beck, ingraham. hell even limbaugh likes him
March 28th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Flip: I thought most of the talk-show crowd (not these guys, of course) backed Romney in ’08. Rush did, at least, and Hugh Hewitt was totally in the tank.
Corep: I don’t think it’s vocabulary, I think it’s his whole manner. But perhaps it comes down to the same thing.
In any case, I’m sure Romney has hired the best of consultants to coach him. We’ll see the results over the next couple of years. There’s plenty of time at this point to try out different approaches.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
That didn’t make sense, the first part. Laura Ingram and Hugh Hewitt are always exited about Mitt. Most of the big ones aren’t going to start choosing sides this early, even if they have a favorite
March 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
time will tell Bob that is for sure. If it doesnt end up being Mitt I sure hope whoever it is can do a better job of campaigning against Obama than Mccain did.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Only talk radio person I can think of on the Mitt bandwagon in a REAL way (not just having him on as a guest and saying nice things to him) is Hugh Hewitt.
The others are on the fence at best, and my guess is that they will eventually run to a true blue conservative like Sanford or Palin if she can get her act together.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
I guess no one wants to respond to someone with the name “Poosickle”?
March 28th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
129 – LOL.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
This was in February Flipper: http://www.freestrongamerica.com/blog/item/2009/02/12/overnoromneyontheaurangrahamhow
March 28th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
poo -
the poo-sickle kind of sounds like you are in desperate need of a lavatory or something.
care to explain the thought process behind your name
March 28th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
#129,
I agree with your statement in #126.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
#132, do we really want to know how Spencer Iacono came up with that name?
March 28th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
BobH, I know I’m a strong Mitt supporter, but I very honestly believe Mitt is very likeable. I’ve seen him face to face several times, and he is genuinely very friendly. Think about it, when the campaign started, very few even knew who he was. As he went through the various states, he gained more an more in the polls. I heard so very many times that when people get to know Mitt, they like him and his viewpoints. Just before the California vote he surpassed all others in the polls, even though (and this is important), he still had not even campaigned in a great many states at that point. If he had been able to do so, his popularity would have continued to rise. Every where I go now I here people say they wish Romney would have gotten the nomination. He is very likeable. He can even tell a pretty decent joke, and what you see in the sledding video is the real Mitt. He likes to get out and do things outdoors, ride horses, play all kinds of ball with friends and family. Just because he’s extremely accomplished and intelligent doesn’t make him a stuffed shirt at all. If you ever met him, you’d like him a lot.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
IllinoisGuy, can you name something you don’t like about Mittens?
March 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
#132,
It was my brother in laws code name when playing counter strike, an online shooter game, and it just made me laugh every time I would see him login. People could talk to each other and I just started cracking up when I would here, “poopsickle, where is Poopsickle”. LOL, just for fun.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
#135, the more people see Mitt, the more they dislike him. He is very unpopular in his home state of Massachusetts, which is why he didn’t run for re-election. When he dropped out of the race in early 2008, his unfavorables were higher than his favorables with general election voters.
Even Palin has a better popularity rating than he does, with all her mistakes.
Mitt is simply not that charismatic or likable, and he will find that out the hard way in 2012. Combine this with his questionable record, and he doesn’t have a chance of winning.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Here, I changed my name from Poopsickle.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
#135, I still have this saved. I never laughed so hard…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deMCI4Ny2pY
March 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Could be, but while that may matter in a campaign for village council, it’s irrelevant in a presidential campaign.
I haven’t heard it even once, other than from Romney supporters here.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Lol, my inappropriate comment about Hugh Hewitt’s Mittens-love was removed.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
alex I dont think ILguy is capable of that.
but I would say I am tired of the royal blue tie. for pets sake go by nordstroms and at least get a red one as well
March 28th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
No Republican can remain in high popularity in Massachessettes. That should be obvious Flip. Mitt had great ratings with Republicans in the Primary there in his home state. it’s the libs that didn’t like him.
“Mitt is simply not that charismatic or likable, and he will find that out the hard way in 2012. Combine this with his questionable record, and he doesn’t have a chance of winning.”
I guess we’ll see if your prophecy comes to Flip. And if you are wrong???
March 28th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
#144, the only way a Republican remains popular in MA, is if he ‘pounds away at the press’, for years. Then they will give favorable coverage.
http://wbztv.com/local/Barbara.Walters.affair.2.713817.html
March 28th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
That video was great Kristofer!
March 28th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
A conservative, no matter how well he tricked the libs into votinf for him, cannot remain in their domain too long.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Um, #144, Republicans have won re-election in Mass. several times — William Weld and Paul Cellucci did it quite easily. They could win the governorship back in 2010, now that Romney’s gone.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
A conservative, no matter how well he tricked the libs into votinf for him,
He didn’t run as a conservative.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
#148,
You act as if Liberalism is not growing there. The only way any Republican can win there in this day and age is by moving a little to the left. I am ok with Mitt moving to the left so that he could get into Mass. and lend his financial strength, which he did.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
If Mitt. moved to the left in Mass. to appease the liberals in the state, what’s going to prevent him from doing the same as President?
We need someone more principled.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Flip, don’t you wanna go play with the barbee’s with the other girls for a while?
March 28th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
BobH – you said, “I just think, based on his 2008 performance and his inability to connect to the public, that he’s a poor candidate.”
Then I said, “I know I’m a strong Mitt supporter, but I very honestly believe Mitt is very likeable. I’ve seen him face to face several times, and he is genuinely very friendly.”
Then you said, “Could be, but while that may matter in a campaign for village council, it’s irrelevant in a presidential campaign.”
since when is being friendly and likeable not akin to ‘connecting with’?
March 28th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Your point, Illinoisguy, was that he is a nice person when people meet him on a one-to-one basis. While that may be, it does not make any difference in a presidential campaign, where the question is how a candidate comes across in front of huge crowds and on TV. My opinion (and it is shared by many) is that Mitt does not come across well in those situations.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
“Mitt is simply not that charismatic or likable, and he will find that out the hard way in 2012. Combine this with his questionable record, and he doesn’t have a chance of winning.”
I guess we’ll see if your prophecy comes to Flip. And if you are wrong???”
Flip is already wrong. Mitt is very likable, he’s intelligent, conservative, has a good sense of humor and is very handsome.
But his most compelling attribute, that will be essential in 2012, is how competent and successful Mitt’s been when he’s been in a leadership role.
That is his biggest asset and will be the most important quality needed to defeat Obama in 2012.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Most people who have read political commentary this last year know that Gregg Jackson has become a notorious anti-Romney hack who has carried his hatred of Romney far beyond the political sphere into an almost Alex Knepper-like psychological personal fetish. It is amazing to me that people can become so viciously vitriolic and ugly.
On a lighter note, It’s perplexing how Romney can manage to unite the militant gay activist into the same Romney hating camp as the wingnut anti-mormon westboro types; but Romney seemed to accomplish that. He must be doing something right to be able to get so many off-the-planet hateful people to oppose him.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
“My opinion (and it is shared by many) is that Mitt does not come across well in those situations.”
Mitt comes across fine in these situations. In the debates, Mitt did very well with the Frank Luntz groups winning a lot of them.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
It appears you’re deep in denial, Sheryl, but I’ve seen a lot of that in the Romney crowd. We’ll see.
I will assume that Romney does not share your view and that he’s working on making the changes he needs to.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
BobH:
True dat; I want a candidate that sends shivers down my spine and tingly feelings up and down my legs. Somebody like Brad Pitt would make a great president!!!!
People like boring melancholy old Lincoln or the brooding Truman just aren’t the kinds of presidents we need in this day when the American people need to have warm, good, ‘feelies’.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Well, all I can say is many people like him fine and he connected well. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have gained more than anyone else in the polls during the campaign? How do all of you that say he doesn’t connect well explain his rise in popularity, rising from obscurity, and surpassing all others in the nationwide polls, in spite of the fact that he had not yet even campaigned in many states. Personally, I think its mostly just bias.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
“On a lighter note, It’s perplexing how Romney can manage to unite the militant gay activist into the same Romney hating camp as the wingnut anti-mormon westboro types; but Romney seemed to accomplish that. He must be doing something right to be able to get so many off-the-planet hateful people to oppose him.”
All these kind of theories work if all you are is ensconced in is stupid identity politics. Conservatives lost, and will continue to lose, when we compete in this arena with the Democrats.
Mitt made that mistake last time and I seriously doubt he’ll do it again.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I want a candidate who can win.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
“It appears you’re deep in denial, Sheryl, but I’ve seen a lot of that in the Romney crowd.”
Don’t talk about something you know nothing about.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
“I want a candidate who can win.”
I want a leader with a proven record of sccomplishment, who can handle big problems and has the aptitude and skill to solve our countries problems.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Oops that would be “accomplishment”
March 28th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I want a candidate who sticks to the principles that made this country the last great hope of mankind; somebody who is right. The American people always return home to their roots in good, true principles even when sometimes they are led astray by fame and popularity.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
This guy is a moron or a Huckabee supporter. There’s not a single, at least decent, conservative that call Fox News the way he did.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Ann Coulter is already on record endorsing Ron Paul as the nominee in 2012.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
So do I — but he also has to be able to win. None of the rest matters without that.
William F. Buckley said that the right approach for a conservative to take in choosing a candidate is to back the best conservative who can win.
When Romney convinces me he can win, I’ll consider supporting him.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Bob, if Romney isn’t seen as likable, how is it that he came in second in 08? How is it that he won the conservative vote? How is it that he was the most wanted VP?
It’s just silly to say that Romney isn’t likable. Apparently a lot of republicans disagree with you.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
[...] through Kristopher’s post on the Ann Coulter apology ad, a couple of things caught my [...]
March 28th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
A lot of Republicans have a lot of good things to say about Romney, but I’ve never heard anyone from outside the Romney camp call him likable (or charismatic, or praise his ability to connect with folks, or anything along that line).
March 28th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Concerning anti-Mormonism, I have confidence that the GOP will be better next time. I believe the anti-Mormon folks are just embarrassing themselves at this point. I believe that if Huck runs again, he will likely try to divide the GOP again with anti-Mormon tactics. I don’t think he will do it quite so overtly, but he will have his Bill Kellers and his Gregg Jacksons. (Better known as the Bigot Brigade. They are just teeth-gnashers to me.)
So what. That ship has sailed. It is now very clear who has the best interest of the GOP/conservative movement at heart. Huckabee has, on his record, a clear pattern of trying to divide the GOP, at a critical moment in history, no less. If he tries to divide the party again, he will embarrass himself, and it won’t work. I feel for him because using religion against Romney was his main path to gain attention last time. What else does he have in his arsenalWhat does he have to recommend him? Precious little, I’m afraid. I don’t see anyone asking him to speak at GOP events. He has not been asked by Congress for his opinions. He is not writing op eds in opposition to Obama. He failed miserably in the CPAC poll. He is becoming irrelevant very fast.
I have faith in GOP voters. I have to! I hope the next time Romney gets a fair shake without folks stooping to denigrate his religion.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Martha, Romney may have come in second in something in 08 but it certainly wasn’t republican delegates.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
172, If Romney was not likable, he wouldn’t have the support he has. My opinion has always been that Romney is not a natural politician, having come to politics late in life. He seems a little uncomfortable at rah rah rallies, and that’s fine with me. Charisma is not the end all be all. By 2012, we are going to be looking for a serious person to get us out of the fix we’re in. Romney fills that bill better than anyone, and he’s plenty likable enough.
Palin has charisma, but does not have the foundation. Which is more important? In Mass, Romney won in a heavily liberal state because people rightly saw him as someone to fix the economic mess. His support obviously was on both sides of the aisle.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
FiscalCon. That’s not really true. Romney had to relinquish some of his delegates to McCain in certain states, thus technically giving Huck a couple more. So what? Everyone knows that Huck staying in 6 weeks longer than Romney. Everyone but die hard Huck people realize that Romney came in 2nd.
See post #52.
March 28th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Wow using a bold never….it must be a fact then Bob.
LOL…who’s in denial now. But please hold to that irrational belief Bob, whatever gives you comfort.
In the meantime I’m proud to continue to promote Mitt to run in 2012. He’s a wonderful man with extraordinary leadership skills and very likeable personality.
Here’s a nice clip of highlights when Mitt was on the Leno show back in 2007:
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/628253/2963823
March 28th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
168, don’t use my name. I already posted to this thread with it. Find some way to distinguish your name.
173, Martha I hope you are right about the anti-Mormonism, but here we have Kristofer engaging in it by posting this video and saying it is a must watch. You do have good points about Huckabee losing relevance. Other than his televangelist followers watching him on Fox no one seems to care about him.
Bob Hovic, when you ask Illinois to state if there is anything that he dislikes about Romney, you are being just as disingenuous as the press reporter was who asked Bush to name what his biggest mistakes were. You aren’t looking for honest discussion, you are trying to create a gotcha moment with Illinois.
March 28th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
I just watched the video. Why does Kris say it is a “must watch”?
Kristofer’s motive in posting this is pretty clear. He knows Romney is Palin’s biggest obstacle. He’s ready to do whatever it takes to help Palin and it doesn’t matter if it’s honest or above board or not. I don’t expect any fairness or decency from him. He’s misrepresented me many times, and will continue to help other people misrepresent Romney.
March 28th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
DanL (#178):
A plausible argument. Except that I didn’t do it.
March 28th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Someone reminded us up there about this, they said “Huckabee’s destruction of all the computer hard drivers in his administration just before leaving office”. People wake up!! This guy is corrupt! This guy is the fake Preacher who watches porn! Just look at his cheesy smile, with those little childish dimples, in his cheeks! You can just see what a phony he is! Ofcourse, he erased the hard drives! The guy was watching Porn! He is a free loader! He received so much free stuff as Gov., more than usual!
People come on!! This guy is trying to divide us!! He ran the most UNAMERICAN CAMPAIGN IN HISTORY, COMPLETELY NOT IN HARMONY WITH THE CONSTITUION! He won Iowa because of religious bigotry! COME ON PEOPLE!!! ARE YOU REALLY THIS DUMB?? The fact we are even talking about some of the things we are is ridiculous! He is a con artist!! His fair tax plan is extremely misleading, THE MAN IS DESPERATE!!
People are you serious?? It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out! He is not likable! We are talking about a former BAPTIST PREACHER, 62 million Evangelicals and only like 6 million MORMONS! WHY, WHY, WHY, IS HE NOT CRUSHING ROMNEY, EVEN NOW???? Romney won in Minnesesota, where he spent no money, even though Pawlently endorsed McCain! Half of his support (SMUCKS) is because he is an Evangelical!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The man already claimed God raised up his campaign and then tried to signal some kind of sign from GOD, that because he was 44th Gov. of ARKANSAS, he was destined to be the 44th PRES. SORRY YOU SMUCKABEE FOOLS!! His time has time has passed!!! The mans show sucks, because he sucks!! If he were not an Evangelical he would hardly do good at all!
Everyone go back and read my earlier comments 48 and 49! My style is different, but I speak the truth! I am telling you I know Huckabee is a con artist!! The man is so freakin fake it’s astonishing how blind people are!! Obviously the nation and the majority are not always right!! THE GUY SUCKS!! HE NEEDS TO BE ECXPOSED!!! MIKE HUCKABEE IS THE BIGGEST PHONY EVER!! PEOPLE< JUST WAKE UP!!! HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THROUGH THIS GUY?? IT IS UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
You actually think I ought to bother reading this?: “You Huckabee clowns lie more than anyone!! You are full of it, just like sissy fake preacher Smucko!”
March 28th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
OMG Bob I am so sorry! This darn thread has run to long and is making my eyes bleed.
Let me redirect that comment then to Alex.
Alex, 136, when you ask Illinois to state if there is anything that he dislikes about Romney, you are being just as disingenuous as the press reporter was who asked Bush to name what his biggest mistakes were. You aren’t looking for honest discussion, you are trying to create a gotcha moment with Illinois.
March 28th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
As far as Palin, no VP nominee who has lost has ever come back to win a nomination! She was and probably will not be ready to be Pres! If economy collapses more, people will want something bigger than them, not someone they can picture shopping at Wal Mart! I like her, but in the end she does not have a big chance!
Romney like Reagan lost and Romney like Reagan will come back and win! Sarah Palin contributed to us loosing! People thought she could not handle PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS AND BEING A HEARTBEAT AWAY! Just look at the northeast! AND MICHIGAN AND POTENTIALLY WISCONSIN AND OHIO!! Romneys state and New Hampshire and Maine, all have a big chance of going red, with him on the ticket and if we jack the Mormons again, we can kiss Nevada, Colorado, Idaho, Arizona and even heavily Mormon Utah good bye!! Nominating Huck will guarantee this! Romney is by far the best choice and just keep an eye on the economy!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Except for Franklin D. Roosevelt, Walter Mondale, and Bob Dole.
March 28th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Your damn right you should read it!! I am not the one on the national stage creating division! I am not the religious bigot! Do you have a problem with me hating some politicians? If so you have issues and are serious flawed in your thinking!! MIKE HUCKABEE IS A FAKE AND A MORMON BIGOT! HE IS DIVIDING AMERICA! HE KNOWS, HE IS NOT DUMB, THAT HE IS GETTING ALOT OF VOTES, DUE TO ANTI MORMON SENTIMENT AND HE SPARKED IT, BACK IN IOWA!
How could anyone not be disgusted with this fraud! The MR. I am so righteous, I am so understanding and poor and ECT ECT ECT>> COME FREAKIN ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This guy is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
It is not common!! Besides, she is part of reason we lost! I knew many moderates and even conservatives, who thought it was a show and a bunch of bull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE CANNOT WIN A GENERAL ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Someone said something about Romney not having charisma! I mean are you kidding me?? A Mormon who’s religion is attacked like never before, who does way better than a former Baptist Preacher/ Governor! Never have I seen anyone who’s energy is so good and upbeat, but maybe Glenn Beck!! Romneys eye contact and his natural God given gift to handle one on one media cannot be matched by even Mr. Huddini (Obama) himself!! You cannot fake a gift like that! It is rare! Just go watch his interviews!!! The man has a light about him and an energy so upbeat!! If we were to judge this only he would hands down beat Obama in a leader or personality test! Obama is just sly, because he used to hiding things his whole life, good with words!! Yes, MITT IS NOT PERFECT!! BUT CLEARLY HE HAS GREAT GREAT APPEAL AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE DISCREDITS THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!! I guess those of you who humbly believe in God and invisible powers could say based on energy alone, Romney would be the last person being influenced BY SATAN, who’s energy is has all the lower and negative qaulities! I think Huckabee is a fraud, just like the Devil himself!! His energy is petty and full of negative feelings, even though he is god at hiding it! Certainly, he is not a MAN WHO IS CLOSE TO GOD!! YOU CAN JUST TELL!!! HE IS A MASTER OF WORDS AND ISSLUSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are two powers in this world! The power of God and the power of the devil! God is full of love and all kinds of different goods energies and qaulities! Satan reminds me of Huckabee and Obama! They use charm and smile to hide the real person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where as Romney is always in good energy, even when he is not smiling!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
174 – I don’t know you, so I don’t know if you’re ignorant of the facts, or if you’re intentionally deceiving.
Romney earned more delegates than Huckabee, even though Huckabee stayed in for 6 extra weeks. The reason some sites show Huckabee having 278 and Mitt 271 is because they don’t take into account that all of Mitt’s Michigan, and all of his Wyoming were given away. There may have been others in other states, but those alone were enough for Mitt to beat him quite handily. I’m sure if you choose to expound on this in the future you will tell it like it is. Thanks!
March 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
corep (and other pro-Mitt friends),
It appears that a lot of folks are whipped up into a frenzy by Kris L’s post and it looks like it’s spilling over into Tommy’s post.
Let me just say, as a rule, that Huck’s people and Mitt’s people have a lot more in common with each other than they do with libertarians.
We had some unity on the marriage issue and it paid off big time in CA and FL. A lot of folks here don’t like Mike but, yes, some people don’t like Mitt…a few of which have popular radio programs.
I’d like to see Mormons and Evangelicals unify politically, then reach out to those Democrats/Independents that helped us pass the marriage amendments in CA, FL and across the US. We’re not a minority or we wouldn’t have won in CA!
Mike could have Mitt on his show for a townhall meeting like Huck had in Elkhart, Indiana last week.
March 28th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Romney is great at publicity & pretending to be conservative, but is a wolf in sheep’s skin.
Romney claims pro-life in some states, clams pro-choice in others. Whatever he can say to bring in people who refuse to check the facts.
I am NOT a Huckaberry fan, so don’t label me.
I am NOT a Romney fan. He is such a fake and such a liar.
The supreme court of MA said he DID NOT have to allow homosexual marriages but he WANTED to. He was not forced to do that.
He was not forced to start (what is now seen as) Romney-care.
If you disagree, SHOW ME where this is not true. Show ANY court ruling that FORCES him to allow homosexual marriages.
He’s a liar and a deceiver.
March 28th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Someone tried to make a big deal out of Romney only holding office once and not being a career POLITICIAN!!! Are you kidding me???????????? This is one of the main things that are aligning for him,as though it is destiny!! He is not a career politician like CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR PALIN!! AND GOV ALSO!!! Might I add she also was a part of the media, frankly, thats probably where she belongs!!
Romney is the ULTIMATE OUTSIDER! Unlike Huck, who now is part of the media!! COME ONE PEOPLE, ARE WE REALLY GOING TO REALLY BE SO PETTY, THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERY SPEC OF AN IMPERFECT HUMAN BEINGS PERSONALITY? YA, I will admit, Romney could do better in front of large crowds! Compare him to anyone else though! He is pretty good! Gingrich, Pawlenty, Jindal, Huckabee, who is so fake, and many others! MAybe Sarah Palin can give some speachers and looks more charming, BUT HE IS THE MOST QAULIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE CERTAINLY CANNOT HANDLE THE MEDIA AND TOUGH SITUATIONS LIKE HE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS THE BEST, HANDS DOWN!!! BETER THAN OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAYBE NOT AT ACTING and in front of crowds, BUT HE IS STIL PRETTY GOOD, EVEN AT THAT!!!!!!!!11
March 28th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
BY the way, he is the best at press conferences!! Because he is natural!! BIG SPEACHES, he can get better at, BUT TYPICAL PRESIDENTIAL PRESS CONFERENCES I THINK HE IS BETTER THAN OBAMA!!
March 28th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Rachel, are seriously kiding me?? Have you also been deceived by the media and those who hate ROMNEY!! That is misleading! Romney is not pro choice!! He does not go to other states and say different things! He had a change of position, I MEAN COME On, GIVE HIM A BREAK AND EVEN THEN PEOPLE ARE TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT!! He was always pro life, YOU JUST NEED TO BE FAIR AND LISTEN CLOSELY!! He change his toned on what the governments position should be!!
If you are going to unfairly accuse someone of these things you need to point out these all what you are saying ROMNEY IS! Huckabee flip flopped on all kinds of things, including immigration!!!! HE IS THE FAKEST GUY EVER! HOW YOU COULD NOT LIKE ROMNEY MAKES ME SUPICIOUS!! He is a good man!!!!!! YOU JUST ARE NOT BEING FAIR AND ARE BELIEVING THE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Mike Huckabee is the wolf!! MR. Righteous, MR. I am sooooooooooooooooo Christlike, just look at me everyone, MR. grew up poor, which really is not true, MR. raise taxes, MR. mislead eveyone about the FAIR TAX, MR. Flip Flop on all kinds of things AND MR. LIE AND HATE MITT ROMNEY!! COME ON PEOPLE, THIS GUY IS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE!!!! A COMPLETE FRAUD!!!!!!!! A WOLF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Rachel, with all due respect, go do your homework.
March 28th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Aaron,
I just tuned out all four of your posts because of the excessive use of caps lock for seemingly no reason except to be hysterical.
March 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
2012 Governors and Unemployment
http://www.gop12.com/2009/03/2012-governors-and-unemployment.html
By the way, I don’t consider unemployment rate to be best indicator of economic stregth…at times, a high unemployment rate is necessary. I had this discussion with Josiah yesterday on another thread but you won’t ever hear any politician repeat that statement.
March 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
That’s to bad!!
March 28th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Romney is the ULTIMATE OUTSIDER!
Yeah, because having a father who once ran for president and a mother who ran for US Senate totally makes you a political outsider.
March 28th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Except for Franklin D. Roosevelt, Walter Mondale, and Bob Dole.
In fairness, Mondale was actually the vice-president for a while. Dole also had to seek the nomination again, unsuccessfully, before he finally got it — 20 years after his initial vice-presidential run. FDR also had to wait a while.
March 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Are you freakin really kiddin me??? THE MAN IS MORMON!! THE FACT HIS DAD BECAME GOVERNOR WAS A LITTLE RARE!! HE IS NOT PART OF WASHINGTON, HE HAS NOT SPENT THE LAST 30 YEARS AS A CAREER POLITICIAN AND YOU STILL FIND A WAY TO SPIN THIS! MAN, it is amazing! What does having a Dad who was a Governor have to do with weather Romney is a Washington outsider or THAT ROMNEY IS A CAREER POLITICIAN??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Can someone inform this guy on Romneys life and resume!! UN FREAKIN REAL!!!!!! This logic is insane! JUST LOOK AT ROMNEYS ENTIRE LIFE AND NOW HE KNOWS HOW IT FEELS TO BE REJECTED, BECAUSE HIS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE OUTSIDE THE MAINSTREAM!!
March 28th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Aaron,
People here would probably take your complaints and gripes under more consideration if you didn’t abuse caps-lock…just take that into your calculus for your next five rants.
March 28th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Ok, thanks!!! I am just having fun! Obviously I believe strongly what I am saying!!
March 28th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
200 – Of course Romney is an political outsider. He spent the first 25 years of his career in the private sector. He is not part of the madness that is Washington.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Just one more thing to people who lie about Mitts change on positions, in which there was only one, which is being hugely taken out of context? What do you call Gov. Huckabees loosing all that wait, as we headed into the years when the potential candidates would have to figure out if they were going to run? FLIP FLOP, of something really important! How you treat your sacred body!! It seems like pretty weak and flimsy behavior, if you ask me! I’ve noticed he gained wait, since the primaries! I’m sure he’s trying real hard, to keep it off!!
March 28th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Play the clip of Coulter endorsing ron paul for 2012 please.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Coulter was joking when she endorsed Ron Paul.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Just one more thing to people who lie about Mitts change on positions, in which there was only one, which is being hugely taken out of context? What do you call Gov. Huckabees loosing all that wait, as we headed into the years when the potential candidates would have to figure out if they were going to run? FLIP FLOP, of something really important! How you treat your sacred body!! It seems like pretty weak and flimsy behavior, if you ask me! I’ve noticed he gained wait, since the primaries! I’m sure he’s trying real hard, to keep it off!!
I hate Romney and Huckabee. Calm down.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
You hate Romney???????? Why????? He is not full of hate, he is a true family man, he is smart and accomplished and alot more! Why do you hate Romney? It makes no sense! This reflects bad on you! Paul is part of the problem! He has been in Washington to long! He is way to contentious!
March 28th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
I never said that he was full of hate. I said that I hate — in other words, cannot stand him — as a politician.
Paul? Who the hell said anything about Paul? I was a Giuliani supporter and have no 2012 candidate yet.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Why do you hate Mitt? Just because your feelings are not feeling it? Oh, sorry, there I go again! Maybe your just moderate, or like adulterers! I got news for you, Romney is your only choice! You could go with Palin or Huck, but why would you skip over Romney and go from supporting Gulliani, to supporting Palin, who is so pro life it’s ridiculous? There is no one else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jindal or Sanford ain’t going anywhere!
March 28th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
I don’t support Palin. I specifically stated that I don’t have a candidate for 2012.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Knepper,
Why even engage Aaron? hahahah
March 28th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
I did not say you support her. I just said your choices are seriously limited! The last person you supported ran the most pathetic campaign probably ever! You need someone who can win and has more light than Rudy! People were not attracted to him, the more they got to know him! Stop being so picky and choose the best person! Your on this site for a reason! Be caareful to not pick a looser again, it only hurts our chances!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
That’s right!! LOL Why engage an argument you cannot win! You guys make no sense!
March 28th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Interesting front article.
I can’t help but notice that for all the candidates their problems are their own fault. Everyone that is, except for Huckabee. In his case, his problems are because the evil elites don’t like him.
Hmmmm. You don’t suppose they are Huckabee supporters, do you?
March 28th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
What, are you serious? Huckabee ran the ran the most bigoted campaign and every honest person who was paying close attention knows it! He is not liked! He is a former EVANGELICAL BAPTIST PREACHER! 62 million Evangelicals! Romney dropped out and still hardly anyone would vote for him, accept a chunk a who like, a chunk who hate Mormons and a chunk that did not want McCain! He had his chance! His show sucks and he sucks! You are completely wrong! Huckabees problems are his fault!
March 28th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
marK, The comment on Huck was pretty funny. He’s done everything smart since dropping out. I don’t know which I liked more, “the best living communicator”, or “adored by the base”. And, he’s winsome, too!
March 28th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
No, Coulter was dead serious.
Coulter says that Ron Paul is the candidate too beat right now. Even in the previous year’s CPAC she was speaking favorably of Ron Paul, but this year she couldn’t take it anymore and endorsed Ron Paul for 2012.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
It’s amazing hearing a conversation where Ann Coulter isn’t the craziest one.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
222 get.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Doug: That’s similar to my thoughts as I tried to watch that video (it was so disgusting, I quit about halfway through). I really dislike Ann Coulter (to put it mildly), but I couldn’t help sympathizing with her as I watched — if I had to talk to those nasty hate-mongers, I’d hang up on them too.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I love Anne Coulter. She’s funny.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
wow this thread has gotten out of hand. You ahve aaron who claims Huckabee didn’t grow up poor and that his show sucks and no body likes him, but I know Huckabee and he DID in fact grow up in a poor family, and people do like his shows as it is the highest rated show on the weekends. oh and someone way up there said Huckabee is not invited to speak at Republican gatherings, but I seem to read about him speaking all over the country and even though nobody likes him his radio show is the fastest growing show on the air. Now I am not a Mitt Romney fan but I am not a hater either. I do think he was a horrible candidate, but that comes from the fact that he spent more money than anybody and couldn’t buy the love. I don’t think either of these two guys will run in 2012 but who knows. I do know one thing, we need somebody to run that can win.
By the way ABORTION IS IMPORTANT TO ME!
March 29th, 2009 at 1:15 am
Go to hell Kristofer you are a hack.
March 29th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Ummm…
Sanford for President?
“It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one’s faith ought to be in how one lives his life.”
March 29th, 2009 at 1:49 am
[...] Your video appeared to have less to do with Ann Coulter and more to do with Mitt Romney. Is it not a little [...]
March 29th, 2009 at 2:48 am
Huckabee did not grow terribly poor! His Dad was a Firefighter! He had food, he had things, that is not the kind of suffering he makes it out to be! Besides, most kids do not notice it, unless it is real real bad, particulary emotional poor! Abuse, neglect and other things! Sorry, but for that day Huckabee had it good and normal! He’s doing good now, with his book deal and other things! Yet Romney had to work for his wealth!
Oh come on! His show does good on the weekends! Who cares about that and that is no surprise! He was just in a heated race and is an Evangelical Preacher! COME ON!! That is not good! Get him on weekdays like Glenn Beck and we will see how much he liked! Can’t you see through the guy?
Some of his followers I talked to have been disappointed, because they say it is not the same fighter from the primaries! They say he is weak!!!!!!!!!! Sadly they would rather have him or Palin than a Mormon!!
Even if he does do better than I think, on radio or on TV, so so much of it is just because he uses faith and is an Evangelical and people are joining the movement, with him as President in mind!
March 29th, 2009 at 10:16 am
221 – I take it you never saw her on the View, Doug.
March 29th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Good point, GetReal.
March 29th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
At a time when we should be uniting, you are doing us all a disservice. Keep it up, 2016 isn’t too far to do the same stunt.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
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June 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am
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November 19th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
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November 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
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