Fox News on their new Poll…
Giuliani’s 16-point lead in the race for his party’s nomination is essentially unchanged from last month – what has changed is the positioning of the other candidates. The poll finds the former mayor garners the support of 33 percent of Republicans, followed by McCain at 17 percent re-capturing second place for the first time since this summer, and Fred Thompson now in third with 12 percent.
Mitt Romney receives the backing of 8 percent, as does Mike Huckabee, even though the former governor of Arkansas is still virtually unknown to a lot Americans as well as many Republicans.
“What is striking is that Romney has spent huge amounts of money and gone nowhere while Huckabee has spent virtually nothing is actually catching up to Romney in places like Iowa,” says Opinion Dynamics CEO John Gorman. “While things change, right now it appears there is something fundamentally flawed in the Romney effort.”
It seems to me that the board is set…With only 49 days till Iowa votes and just a few more than that till NH votes…It looks like Romney, Huckabee, Rudy, McCain, and Fred will all be playing in Iowa…Romney and Huckabee will be going full out, while the others seem to want to battle for a surprise second…In NH it seems Romney, Rudy, McCain, Paul, and Huck are playing in NH…Romney, McCain, and Rudy trying to get first with a possible surprise by Paul and/or Huck…Fred, at least to me, seems to not want to play there…I want to know a couple of things…#1…Brit Hume seemed to think that Fred/Huck needs to finish well (a strong second) in Iowa to stay alive for the nomination…Your thoughts on that are welcome…and #2…Does Paul play a part in NH and if so…whose thunder does he steal…Personally I think he hurts a Democrat more but which one I don’t know…
November 15th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Go Rudy!!!
November 15th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
“What is striking is that Romney has spent huge amounts of money and gone nowhere while Huckabee has spent virtually nothing is actually catching up to Romney in places like Iowa,†says Opinion Dynamics CEO John Gorman. “While things change, right now it appears there is something fundamentally flawed in the Romney effort.â€
November 15th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Metro #2: Its called AUTHENTICITY and the lack thereof. AMERICA IS TIRED OF PHONY POLITICIANS.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Joe, Bingo. As I posted earlier:
Huckabee’s close to tieing Mitt in Iowa AND nationally, not buy trying to buy people, but by being… AUTHENTIC.
Mitt could’ve done that without spending a cent. Except that it is impossible for him to be a man of character.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Looks like a 4 man race for second place.
Very good news for Rudy!
November 15th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
“What is striking is that Romney has spent huge amounts of money and gone nowhere while Huckabee has spent virtually nothing is actually catching up to Romney in places like Iowa,†says Opinion Dynamics CEO John Gorman. “While things change, right now it appears there is something fundamentally flawed in the Romney effort.â€
Usually comments like this are followed by a tongue-lashing for being such a bigot.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Woo hoo, check the RCP average with this poll included:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html
Rudy’s got nearly DOUBLE the support of his nearest competitor. And since that’s deflating Fred, Rudy will soon have double.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
Yes Metro,
Romney could never have the kind of character that requires many affairs and a broken family. That requires something special.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
I think its called Fox is in the tank for Giuliani. The idea that a news organization would suborn perjury to protect a politician is abhorrent and its no stretch to think FOX would also rig a poll.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
I was just thinking about the power rankings on here, and while it’s probably not time to update them, I think right now the argument could be made that while Rudy is still in 1st, Romney is in 2nd, it’s a 3-way tie between Mccain, Thompson, and Huckabee for third.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Not to mention carting around mistresses on the public dime. Rudy has that special quality of integrity that many can only hope for.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Jason, there are millions of men who are with their first wife, faithful, and have loving families.
That does not give them leadership character.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Patrick, agreed.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Flethcxre: BS! Its called Fox is in the tank for a WINNER.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Intrade agrees, too, except for Paul, but that’s just Paulites throwing away their money.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
1. I think Huck needs to finish strong 2nd or 1st now that the expectations are high. If he finishes 3rd or lower, then people will ask what happened?
2. I would imagine Huck is more well known than this poll commentator is leading on. To garner 8% is pretty good if no one knows you. Or is it that once people get to know Huck, they like him better. (that sounds familiar)
3. #3 Are there any other phony candidates or is it just Romney? Or is it all the Democrats and just Romney on the Republican side? (telling)
4. Doesn’t Romney poll the lowest in the Fox news poll anyway? Remember “FOX” news is secretly behind Rudy.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
oops, Fletcher
November 15th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Except that it is *impossible* for him to be a man of character.
Another extremist statement from Metro… All you need to do is look how often he uses world like: Always, Never, Impossible, to see the way he thinks.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Jack, John Edwards is a phony candidate. He and Mitt Romney are cut from the same cloth.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
I wasn’t talking about leadership I was talking about the irony of this comment:
Except that it is impossible for him to be a man of character.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Metro, in what did you major at the U. of C., and what is your current career?
November 15th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
bjalder26, it’s quite literally true. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Mitt Romney to be perceived as AUTHENTIC to the electorate. To most of them, anyway.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
#16 referring to Huck in Iowa
November 15th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Jack many politicians (well, most when push comes to shove) are kinda “phony” but Rudy at least TRIES to relate to average people without being pompass, like, some others.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Jason, that’s because you have no concept of character outside of the 4 walls of a house. Which means you presumably have never read a biography of a world leader.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Yup this is looking very good. McCain is DOA in the primary, so Rudy should pick up most of his support.
Rudy 33
McCain 17
Fred 12
Romney 8
Huckabee 8
November 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Marksal, I’d rather keep some anonymity here, or the Mormons could come after me.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Metro,
What happens to rudy’s “authenticity” and “honesty” numbers when the primary public at large find out about his triple x personal life? There is a good chunk of the GOP that knows rudy is pro choice, but most of them have no idea about what a mess his personal life is. Those attack ads will come. McCain, Thompson, Romney, Huckabee campaigns would all have to be foolish to not make it an issue and they will, whether overtly or under the radar.
Everyone’s negatives are going way way up as this primary heats up.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
SDGOP, voters care about that to know how a President would handle a crisis. They already say Rudy handle one, with toughness– and grace. That’s the leadership character.
As a result, attempts to attack Rudy’s character will seriously backfire.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
heheh, good stuff.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/15/468538.aspx
TAMPA – Giuliani said Romney had learned from his mistake about health care mandates. “Gov. Romney does not want to do for America what he did for Massachusetts,” Giuliani said. “He has abandoned the idea of doing mandates for the entire country, and why did he abandon it for the whole country? Because it’s not a good idea.”
He called it a “good object lesson” that mandates are a mistake, but didn’t attack Romney for supporting the plan as governor, despite a press release from the Giuliani campaign tying him to it. Giuliani instead congratulated him for recognizing it was a mistake.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
Metro,
Well I guess the fip side is you have no idea of what integrity in the home is. Which means…I could derive a lot from that.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Jason, we’re electing a PRESIDENT. This isn’t an LDS ward we’re talking about.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
If you read world history, most of the heroic world leaders had tumultuous personal lives.
How would they have achieved world historic impact if they had to devote the time to being a perfect husband and father?
November 15th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
I think at this point Huck needs a strong second in Iowa to keep his momentum going. If he gets that, he can survive 4th in NH. Anything less, and he is hurting again (esp. if Fred finishes higher and stays in).
Fred needs a third in either IA or NH, but if he only gets one 3rd, and no 2nd or 1st, he is on life support. Based on where he is polling now (distant 4th and 6th in IA and NH) he is finished after NH. He HAS to improve in those to states.
I’ve predicted before that Paul surprises in NH, maybe 15%. As far as who he hurts, I’m not sure. I suspect many of his voters wouldn’t be voting if it weren’t for him. Otherwise he probably draws from the other candidates pretty proportionally, I think.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
As the wheels continue to come off the Romney campaign we can only wonder what other disastrous mistakes from the past, like mandating free and responsible citizens to make purchases, Romeny will have to distnace himself from.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
Metro, do you work for Rudy?
November 15th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Marksal, do you think I could say these things if I did???
November 15th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Jason,
To paraphrase Mitt Romney, “No one is Running to be Family-Man-In-Chief”.
i give you permission to use that one from now on Metro.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
It’s going to be a long 49 days if in every single thread, regardless of the topic, we have the same handful of folks making personal attacks on Romney as being without character, authenticity, etc.
When was the last time something actually stayed on topic without turning into a bash-Mitt defend-Mitt contest?
November 15th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
Thanks, sampo.
murphy, until Mitt concedes. No phony deserves the Presidency.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Metro,
Nobody is denying rudy performed fantastic in a crisis. My point is once those ads hit his numbers will tick down some. They won’t nose dive, but given how close the race is in the earlier states it can make a big difference.
There are plenty of members of the GOP who still think that character counts and that will hurt rudy 9/11 performance aside.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
SDGOP, they SAW character in Rudy. Those ads will backfire and cause an UPTICK in his poll #s.
Now, there are other negative ads that could actually hurt Rudy.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
“Yes Metro, Romney could never have the kind of character that requires many affairs and a broken family. That requires something special.” – Jason Bonham
I love how all of these forgiving, tolerant Christians are so eager to bash a man for making some bad life choices. Secularists understand the fallibility of man but don’t use it to discount accomplishments that he may have made. And instead of just proclaiming that, religionists like Jason Bonham will instead try to say that we endorse adultery, love abortion, and have no problem with broken families.
It isn’t true. But we don’t walk around with a holier-than-thou attitude, judging every man we see as a failure because he screwed up a couple of times in his life. It’s beyond pompous, and implies that you believe yourself to be infallible.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Metro, let’s assume that Iowa-trumps-all is true:
Mitt Romney vs. John Edwards — Scary scenario or scariest scenario?
November 15th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
“I love how all of these forgiving, tolerant Christians are so eager to bash a man for making some bad life choices.”
Indeed.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
45 — And worse, they take a perverse delight in pointing out that Rudy has a messy family life. It’s not about selecting the best man for the Presidency to them. This is all about making themselves feel superior; more righteous than Rudy Giuliani is because they’re supporting a family man or they’ve never been divorced — whatever. It’s not about Rudy. It’s about them. Anyone who is secure in himself and his convictions doesn’t need to bash a man for being fallible.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Giuliani is because = Giuliani because
November 15th, 2007 at 3:56 pm
TLG, you’ve got a lot of perceptivity and maturity for a 17 year old.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
I’ll mature and stop bashing people once Mitt Romney concedes.
Actually even though Huckabee is much further from my positions than Mitt’s (alleged) positions are, I RESPECT Huckabee because he is authentic. In the same way I respect Paul Wellstone, even though he was the most dangerous national political figure.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
respected
November 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Why, thank you, Metro. And now, just to be ironic, I must return to my philosophy paper, which I have been procrastinating for nine weeks and is due in two hours.
I’ll check in, though, and if anything grossly unfair occurs, I’ll drop a comment!
November 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
This line about family life, it would be like saying Dennis Kucinich should be our national leader, because he has an 800 credit score.
Very nice. So do countless thousands. Not relevant to leading this nation.
Good thing Churchill or Washington or Lincoln weren’t rejected because of a personal peccadillo.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Romney isn’t a phony. He’s running as a naturally conservative reformer/leader/turnaround expert, which is what he is. He is simply doing what many successful candidates do, which is run to the base in the primary and then, probably, run closer to the center in the general should he get the nomination.
I think that because of his lack of human frailties, combined with his not being a nationally known star like Rudy, McCain or even Thompson, Romney isn’t the type of candidate a high percentage of voters love. But neither was George H. W. Bush or Richard Nixon, and they both won the White House. Romney can win because he will be able to convince voters that he would do an excellent job as president. He’s clearly exceptionally capable, which is one of the qualities we need in a president at this time.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Marksal, and his resume is impressive.
However, Rudy did the impossible in his last two jobs. He virtually ended the mafia. And he turned around an so-called unsaveable city so radically it doesn’t even look the same. Everyone thought both were impossible.
At a recent campaign stop, Rudy said “I made people rethink what New York could be. I will make people rethink what America can be.”
However great Mitt’s resume is, it cannot compare to THAT.
And Rudy’s authenticity is what enables him to get elected, when Mitt cannot, and to ACHIEVE those impossible ends, when Mitt could never do so.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Notice this poll is only 297 people, and just registered republicans, not likely voters. Rupert Murdock is trying to help his buddy at all costs, even tampering with witnesses. It’s pretty pathetic, and it smacks of desperation by the Giuliani camp.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Metro,
You apparently equate authenticity with the ability to deliver a sincere-sounding line. Because, you clearly can’t be referring to actual statements, and the veracity of those statements. Huckabee’s been exposed lying about his record over and over again. Outright lying, as opposed to Mitt who at least claims he’s become more conservative on various relevant issues (and has a record as Governor that supports the claim). I used to buy the “Huckabee’s authentic” line, but it’s becoming increasingly less credible.
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/jjfuller72/2007/nov/14/hucks_fibbin
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/neil_stevens/2007/nov/12/mike_huckabee_and_his_campaign_lying_about_his_record
Not to mention is claims to be a fiscal conservative, an opponent of amnesty, etc, etc. Huckabee’s a bigger “phony” then Romney. He just happens to be rather more persuasive.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Marskal,
You’re trying to prop Romney up by associating him with ‘W’ and Nixon?
Tell people they’re getting the best of Nixon and W. combined? That’ll sell like lava in hell.
Ouch. Pick better comparisons.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
You know, Metro, people don’t often back up how authentic Rudy is compared to Mitt. It’s just rhetoric. Or a litany of flip-flop accusations, most of which are pretty factually inaccurate, while Rudy has his own list of flips…so that doesn’t hold water.
And then if people point out UN-authentic things Rudy did, it’s generally ignored, or we play the “so-and-so-is-an-unforgiving-religionist-hypocrite” game.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
murphy, authenticity vs phoniness is visceral.
Paul Wellstone, Mike Huckabee, Rudy Giuliani: authentic.
Mitt Romney, John Edwards: phony.
Over half the people can see/sense this. If you can’t, you’re in a minority. In that case, I suggest you take a poll on it.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
People hold Romney to a higher standard. It’s just accepted that Giuliani makes bad choice after bad choice after bad choice. Kerik is just the current example. Affairs, family infighting, misusing tax-paid property for mistresses. It’s almost like a French candidate.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
It amazes me how these threads wind all over the place without anyone being convinced in the end. Maybe we are all the phonies.
I think Rudy demonstrated character in how he handled 9/11 and comes across as a tough candidate that can get things done. That is why he is one of my guys.
However, I do think that McCain or Romney could have handled 9/11 in just as an effective way, albeit different. We also have to think that we just don’t want a candidate that can handle a crisis after it happened but rather consider the skill sets that will be most effective in preventing a crisis in the future. (eliminate silos in government agencies, cut out beauracracy and implement innovative efficient processes). At this point I think McCain drops off slightly but that still leaves Rudy and Romney.
I think either one can be a great leader in spite of their family/moral differences
November 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
That sounds like a neat and tidy way of saying you have no intention of backing up the statement.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
murphy, actually I’ve posted many polling internals showing people don’t trust Romney, thinks he is saying whatever they want to hear, etc, etc. I’m sure you evaded them all and have forgotten I posted them.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
“#58 Mitt Romney, John Edwards: phone”
Maybe “phonyness” is determined by an algorithm with “good hair” as a weighted variable
November 15th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Giuliani told Murdock that he needed a poll that showed Romney in single digits, even if it looks like a huge outlier. Murdock said I can’t do that with the likely voter. Well, then, use just some registered republicans, specifically, some fron New Jersey.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Metro,
You apparently equate authenticity with the ability to deliver a sincere-sounding line. Because, you clearly can’t be referring to actual statements, and the veracity of those statements. Huckabee’s been exposed lying about his record over and over again. Outright lying, as opposed to Mitt who at least claims he’s become more conservative on various relevant issues (and has a record as Governor that supports the claim). I used to buy the “Huckabee’s authentic†line, but it’s becoming increasingly less credible.
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/jjfuller72/2007/nov/14/hucks_fibbin
November 15th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Or this: http://www.redstate.com/blogs/neil_stevens/2007/nov/12/mike_huckabee_and_his_campaign_lying_about_his_record
November 15th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
MWS, not George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush (Bush 41). And I wasn’t saying that Romney would be like them as president, only that folks who weren’t loved could still win.
Metro, I lived in Manhattan pre- and during Rudy’s mayoral tenure. I agree that he was a fantastic mayor who made an incredible difference in the city’s quality of life. That’s why Rudy is my second choice (after Mitt) for the nomination. However, I think we need a non-conventional thinker in the White House now, and that’s Mitt. Rudy, for all his qualities, is a conventional politician with little experience in the private sector. Plus, I don’t think he’s cleverly diplomatic enough to improve our image enough abroad.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Matt, I agree Huck has problems with consistency. However, he comes across believing NOW what he says NOW. Mitt comes across like an animatron who doesn’t believe anything but says whatever is most likely to go over well.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Marksal, odd you should mention the relevance of private sector experience and international diplomacy both. Pretty darned far apart.
History will place Rudy Giuliani with Winston Churchill and Ronald Reagan, yet he will achieve far more domestically than they did. Domestically, he will be on par with FDR: the anti-FDR.
Someday you will accept this and regret you helped to almost sabotage the possibility.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Mitt sounds very convincing/authentic when he talks about fiscal policy and fixing government. He sounds less so on other issues. McCain sounds authentic on foreign/defense policy, but less on other issues. Rudy sounds authentic on terrorism and taxes, but less so everywhere else (though still knowledgeable).
In truth, the GOP has four candidates: Mitt, Rudy, McCain and Thompson (pick your order) with the potential to win and be excellent presidents. (Huckabee is fun to listen to, but what he actually says makes me sick half the time.)
November 15th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Greg,
“It’s almost like a French candidate.”
The new John Kerry?
November 15th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
LOL. Helped to almost sabotage the possibility? You must be a writer/humorist of some kind, Metro.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Metro,
Oddly enough, I don’t give people points for being convincing liars. I’d rather have a Mitt Romney who sounded like a phony, but governed more or less as his rhetoric suggested, then a Bill Clinton who lied all the way up and down the street, with his “sh*t eating grin, and his I feel your pain, good ole’ boy” sincerity. Mike Huckabee has shown the same problems Bill Clinton has, and I don’t care how sincere he sounds. He’s not telling the truth and deceiving people consistently. There are plenty of Arkansas political observers who’ve said that Huckabee is a better politician then Clinton. And I believe it, because I’m watching it. He can sell sand in a desert, and seems to be doing so to a certain extent. But, I can’t imagine why I should consider that a sign of authenticity, or a praiseworthy quality more generally.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
“However, I think we need a non-conventional thinker in the White House now, and that’s Mitt.’
What’s so unconventional about Mitt Romney? His Mormonism? The fact that he has good hair? I thought his claim to fame was that he represented the average Republican. That’s what he said, at least. He represents the Republican Wing of the Republican Party!
…Alright, then.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Marskal,
“MWS, not George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush (Bush 41). And I wasn’t saying that Romney would be like them as president, only that folks who weren’t loved could still win. ”
Got it. Of course, if the voters had to do it over with those two….
(well, with Bush 41 they did)
November 15th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
Ok. Taking a deep breath. That last post was probably too negative. I apologize if others were offended. But, I just find Mike Huckabee’s success to be deeply offensive and disappointing.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Join the club, Matt, on the offensive count.
Disappointing? That’s another story. We’re rooting for Rudy over here.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
TLG,
What’s unconventional about Romney is one, that he likes to analyze a problem before presenting a canned solution, and two, that he has been able to craft policy on which some of those on the right and left can agree: Massachusetts’ healthcare plan, which, though imperfect from my point of view, was a solid effort at a seemingly intractable problem. His success there will appeal to a general-election audience.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Romney has the intelligence to convince democrats to think differently, when necessary.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Huckabee is doomed. I mean, you don’t have to be prophetic to add it all up. Iowans do not appreciate someone trying to deceive them. He is going to spend the next several weeks trying to defend his “inconsistencies” now that they are becoming public. It’s like the downturn in the housing industry, it didn’t take a genius to figure out that the fundamentals had become flawed. Huckabee’s fundamentals are flawed…
November 15th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
TLG,
Oddly enough, if the election were held today, I’d probably vote for Rudy. I still would prefer president Romney, but unless he starts improving his image substantially, he can’t win a general election. Fred and McCain are non-entities. And I find Huckabee’s record borderline disastrous. I’m still pretty undecided, but if you said I was rooting for Rudy you wouldn’t be lying. But, that doesn’t mean I like seeing poor candidates with poor records and silver tongues succeeding, while candidates who have done considerably more to deserve the title “Republican nominee” or “conservative” are struggling. That’s what irked me about Fred’s early run, and it’s what irks me about Huckabee. He shouldn’t be a factor; his record and rhetoric shouldn’t allow him to be. But, because he’s a smooth operator, he’s able to make up all sorts of nonsense, and is starting to gain traction. Like I said, it’s disappointing and offensive.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Metro,
So, your basis for the constant “phony” harping on Romney rests on what a largely uneducated electorate thinks? Romney’s national perception is only as relevant as his national polling.
I’d be concerned about how Romney is perceived in the early states, where people do the important voting. But I would never use that perception to justify a statement so forcefully. This really just boils down to your Rudy hero worship. The baseless smear jobs just turn people off to your candidate.
November 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Romney is perceived very well where he has campaigned, and nobody can deny this. If he was phony, like Metro states, he wouldn’t gain traction where he campaigns. It’s painfully obvious that the national polls are just a name recognition thing this early like they are in every election. Remember, Bill Clinton only had 10% in the nation polls in November.
November 15th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Greg,
“He is going to spend the next several weeks trying to defend his “inconsistencies†now that they are becoming public. ”
You know people have been prophesying Huckabee’s slide “in the next few weeks” for several weeks now. Like Romney’s national breakout, it’s always just around the next bend.
At what point would you have to conclude that maybe Iowans don’t see things the way you do?
November 15th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Greg,
“Romney is perceived very well where he has campaigned, and nobody can deny this. If he was phony, like Metro states, he wouldn’t gain traction where he campaigns. It’s painfully obvious that the national polls are just a name recognition thing this early like they are in every election. Remember, Bill Clinton only had 10% in the nation polls in November.
Huckabee is perceived very well where he has campaigned, and nobody can deny this. It’s painfully obvious that the national polls are just a name recognition thing this early like they are in every election. Remember, Bill Clinton only had 10% in the nation polls in November.
I hope you’re not one of those Romney supporters declaring this a two man race then?
November 15th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
Pullease…a Guiliani administration would be as corrupt as Bill Clinton’s. All you have to do is look at his friends.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
The reality is that Romney supporters really want Duncan Hunter’s rock solid, impenetrably sincere, voting record and stances but in a candidate with money and a real chance. Such a candidate not existing, they figure the insultingly transparent opportunism of Romney is the next best thing because, at least this month, he’s checking all the boxes. Tihs is the reality.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
Cliff, that isn’t the reality, which instead is that many of us support Romney because of his entire adult lifetime of achievement and experiences.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Marksal,
BINGO!
November 15th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Greg,
Romney is not being perceived very well in Iowa considering the time and money he has spent there. His lead is evaporating quickly to someone with no money and no commercials.
November 15th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Romney’s support isn’t evaporating in Iowa, but the candidate in second is just approaching the same level. Just something to clarify. Voters aren’t turning away from Romney, but some undecideds or disapointed former Fredheads are choosing Huckabee.