Deseret Morning News/KSL-TV GOP Utah Primary
- Mitt Romney 65%
- Rudy Giuliani 8%
- John McCain 6%
- Fred Thompson 3%
- Mike Huckabee 2%
- Ron Paul 1%
- Don’t Know 13%
Survey of 409 likely Republican primary voters was conducted September 29-October 4. The margin of error is +/- 5 percentage points.
October 6th, 2007 at 2:20 am
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October 6th, 2007 at 2:55 am
Dem Primary:
Barack Obama — 42%
John Edwards — 18%
Hillary Clinton — 16%
Bill Richardson — 4%
Utah Dem’s love Obama. The total polar opposite of the national race.
October 6th, 2007 at 2:59 am
Given that the Utah primary is winner-take-all statewide, I wouldn’t recommend that the candidates devote significant resources to this state’s primary. A 57-point lead is not easy to overcome.
October 6th, 2007 at 3:12 am
Lol – Romney is killing them in Utah!
October 6th, 2007 at 4:09 am
I’m actually rather surprised Paul isn’t 3rd or 4th.
October 6th, 2007 at 4:25 am
Somebody actually PAID to poll Utah??
October 6th, 2007 at 5:25 am
Cool! He’s a celebrity there after what he did with the Olympics in Salt Lake. He actually has name ID there. FYI: Deseret News is in Salt Lake City and Salt Lake City is 30% Mormon. Hopefully that will stem some of the bigot remarks….
October 6th, 2007 at 6:53 am
This emblematic of a problem with this race.
Three candidates have a solid states they should carry even if things go horribly wrong.
Further they all have regional strengths that suggest they’ll be able to fight a long race if the early primaries are inconclusive.
This suggests it will be very hard for any candidate to win clearly or quickly unless he unites most of the party behind him (polls over 50% before the primary) or one of the other regional candidates pulls out.
I’d not be surprised if we didn’t have a nominee until the late spring. I’m not saying that will happen but it is more likely than it has been since 1976.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:53 am
It’s funny that someone wasted their time and rescources on polling Utah. By the way, I do believe that SLC has a 40-50 percent population of Mormons and 60-70 percent statewide. The numbers may have changed over the last 10 years but those are the stats I remember.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:18 am
Holy cow! With numbers like these, Romney should definitely get the nomination! Ha, Ha…
http://www.political-buzz.com/
October 6th, 2007 at 8:25 am
“I’m actually rather surprised Paul isn’t 3rd or 4th.”
People in Utah voting for an angry old man? People in Utah also care about the military and think that control of Iraq is actually important for terrorist control. Guaranteed he’s probably dead last or close to it.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:40 am
No surprise here, anyone have any polling data for ID?
October 6th, 2007 at 8:42 am
“Hopefully that will stem some of the bigot remarks….”
What bigot remarks? Where did this persecution complex come from on the part of some of the Romney supporters. Don’t worry Shawnie. You have a kindred spirit in Tyler. Apparantly because I don’t like Romney’s pandering and opportunism and am not going to support him that must mean I am bigoted because he is a Mormon. News to me.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:44 am
jrcutler
“People in Utah also care about the military”
That’s good.
However, people in the military care about RON PAUL, which is proven by 50% all military donations going to him.
I wonder why?
Can that be, that people in the military actually “know”, that control over Iraq has got nothing to do with control over terrorists or national security, but rather control over biggest unexplored oil reserves? I just wonder.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:52 am
MirekChicago,
Common man, are you stinking serious? Are you crazy? I have plenty of relatives in the military, and you have read too many over-the-top articles that are pro-Paul. I’ve tried to debate with Ron Paul people before, and the replies are always nonsensical in every way.
Sorry buddy, I didn’t realize that people in the military don’t care about Iraq.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:58 am
I see no much sense in your post. What really is your argument?
I just show simple facts. Everybody can say that has relatives in the military. Proves nothing.
October 6th, 2007 at 9:04 am
Obama needs to hold a Utah Rally! Or put out a map and say he is the only dem that could make Utah competitive.
October 6th, 2007 at 9:20 am
Pablo,
No Democrat could make Utah competitive. Bush won more than 2/3 of the vote in both elections. In the 90′s, Clinton actually finished third there.
cwpete,
There was a poll done in Idaho last summer. Romney came in first with 38%. Giuliani had 20%. I’m guessing that a new poll would show a larger lead. The third most heavily Mormon state in the union is Wyoming, which is why we take it for granted even though there is no polling information to go on. Since it is a January 5th state, I’d like to see confirmation of that with an actual poll.
October 6th, 2007 at 9:21 am
MirekChicago,
I know you are referring to the Fox 26 news post for Ron Paul. Good job.
O.K., I’ll dissect this one out for you:
1. You make the assumption that all active military personnel from all different political backgrounds are donating the same amount of money to primary candidates.
2. You make the assumption that over 50 percent of the troops in Iraq want to withdraw completely from Iraq and that isolationism should be out perrogative.
3. Your argument with oil needs only to be countered by….nothing. Schitzophrenic argument that Paul always makes is that we are wasting billions to get financial gain from oil. The government can drill on the Northern strip and build a government refinery instead of going to Iraq and wasting money. Silly to think that Iraq is for financial gain off of oil.
4. If I don’t make sense to you, then we are on a completely different page, and you don’t understand my logic which is engrained in me by learning a little bit too much about WWII and terrorism. Bad guys don’t take a vacation when they are left alone – they prepare for attack.
October 6th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Jon Huntsman,Jr., is probably ecstatic right about now that he endorsed McCain early on. His father, the multi-billionaire owner of the world’s largest privately held chemical company has been one of Mitt’s most enthusiastic supporters from the beginning, so I’m guessing that Jr., was trying to prove that he is his own man. Dumb political move.
October 6th, 2007 at 9:47 am
“Silly to think that Iraq is for financial gain off of oil.”
Silly to think it’s not. Not for your gain, but for the gain of Cheney’s cronies and industrial military complex. Get correctly informed.
“me by learning a little bit too much about WWII and terrorism”
There is no chance you anything about WWII comparing to me. I was born in Poland and lived there for my first 25 years.
I asure you know nothing about WWII.
For you, War is the story in the book or TV program. For people who lived in the country where war machine rolled over is the memory, which stays with the following generations.
Do you remember how you felt on 9/11 and days after? That is how people in war country feel everyday… FOR 6 YEARS.
THIS IS WAR!!!
You can read million books about it and you still will know NOTHING.
If you think the war in Iraq is just, go there and fight yourself. Don’t sell your sensless theories.
Answer me honestly. Why are you not there, yet?
October 6th, 2007 at 10:05 am
“I asure you know nothing about WWII.”
So, I know nothing about Hitler killing millions of jews because we left him alone…whoa.
“You can read million books about it and you still will know NOTHING.”
You are right, books don’t teach you anything…whoa.
“There is no chance you anything about WWII comparing to me. I was born in Poland and lived there for my first 25 years.”
So, you lived through WWII and you didn’t care that America helped you out. You didn’t want help from America? Give me a break, do you have any idea what Poland would be like right now if America would have pulled a Paul on you guys. Sorry man, we are on a totally different page. I remember Hitler, you don’t.
This is an obvious demonstration about how Ron Paulites don’t care about the rest of the world – they just care about America.
October 6th, 2007 at 10:06 am
I am very saddened to hear that the people of Poland don’t appreciate the men who died to save their hides. Good thing I don’t believe you on that one.
October 6th, 2007 at 10:11 am
Dave, WY awards only a small fraction of its delegates on Jan 5, and it is not a popular vote. It will impact the race as much as AK did going early in 2000, or LA in 1996.
October 6th, 2007 at 10:11 am
“Get correctly informed.”
I’m surprised you are actually fighting back, usually Paulites don’t know what to say, and what little they say back to me is stupid. Your comments actually have merit if history was rewritten. You are actually claiming authority on the matter which is a step up. Nice one! So, Cheney is of the devil and we should have left Hitler alone, as well as Saddaam Hussein. Ouch.
October 6th, 2007 at 10:17 am
MirekChicago
“Do you remember how you felt on 9/11 and days after? That is how people in war country feel everyday… FOR 6 YEARS.”
You dug your own grave on this one. Why don’t you go ahead and say the blasphemous comment that Americans caused 9/11 while you are at it. You are ruining my day, so I’m outta here.
I have this to say, America didn’t cause your Polish sufferings.
Fight for the side of America. Quit dissing the U.S. man.
October 6th, 2007 at 10:32 am
jcutler: ‘You are ruining my day, so I’m outta here.’
Take it easy, now. Don’t let someone on the Internet, a Ron Paull supporter of all people, ruin your day. Or even get to you, for that matter.
October 6th, 2007 at 10:39 am
Why don’t you answer my question?
October 6th, 2007 at 10:53 am
“we should have left Hitler alone”
In 2002 and 2003 I was like you. Comparing Hussein to Hitler. I changed my views, after I realized that it was not a true reason why Iraq was unconstitutionally attacked.
” Quit dissing the U.S. man”
You are pathetic. I love this country. It is country of my choice for the reason.
Why don’t you answer my question?
And since you Awakened on the tread, I asked you the same question before and you never answered.
Since you are such a freedom fighters why you demagouges are not in Iraq?
October 6th, 2007 at 11:06 am
#13 Adam
“What bigot remarks? Where did this persecution complex come from on the part of some of the Romney supporters. Don’t worry Shawnie. You have a kindred spirit in Tyler. Apparantly because I don’t like Romney’s pandering and opportunism and am not going to support him that must mean I am bigoted because he is a Mormon. News to me.”
I don’t recall you making any bigoted comments. You reached out and grabbed something that wasn’t for you, maybe? Interesting, perhaps you have a GUILT complex? A complex is a reaction and/or perception of dynamics that aren’t there. So you would like to claim that bigotry against the LDS people and Romney doesn’t exist here at this site among it’s regulars or elsewhere on the internet?
Of the two of us, you actually exemplified the complex.
October 6th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
#11 – Dude, I lived in Utah for 8 years. There’s quite a significant ultra-conservative/libertarian contingent there of the conspiracy theory strain. I have family firmly entrenched in it. Ever hear of the John Birch Society?
October 6th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
So Shawnie, are you a Mormon?
October 6th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
By the way, you said that only an effeminate man would add ‘ie’ to the end of his name. That may be true, but some get such names at birth. Fred Thompson was named “Freddie Thompson”. John Edwards was named “Johnnie Edwards”. So I thought you were named “Shawnie” (as a man), because I certainly haven’t seen any woman whose name is “Shawnie” (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
October 6th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
Rudy should invest in winning Utah. C’mon Rudy, you said you can win in all 50 states! How about dropping some $10 million on TV ads there? That could turn things around!
October 6th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Metro,
Wyoming would indeed be ultra-insignificant except for the fact that it falls on Jan. 5th. Timing is everything, and if Mitt actually lost in Wyoming on the same day he was getting a bounce from Iowa, it would mitigate the size of the bounce. If Mitt wins in Wyoming it augments the bounce he gets from Iowa. Either way he gets a bounce, but with only 3 days between these states and NH, the magnitude of the bounce is important.
Shawnie,
Adam has betrayed anti-Mormon malice before, and Awakened (while not being particularly anti-Mormon) is anti-Christian. On the other hand, if we all agreed on everything, it would be a lot less interesting, don’t you think? Actually, I’m not sure why I feel protective toward you…you’ve proven that you can take care of yourself. Have at it.
October 6th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Dave: ‘Awakened (while not being particularly anti-Mormon) is anti-Christian.’
I take offense at that suggestion. I’m not anti-Christian, anti-Mormon or anti-any relgion/cult (talking about Islam here), I’m anti-fundamentalism. While I enjoy discussing religious matters, I don’t particularly care about what gods people choose to worship, be they Baal, Ahura Mazda, Jupiter, Jahweh or any other, as long as they don’t try to force their religion or religious ‘values’ on others.
Christians who have no quarrel with me, I have no quarrel with.
October 6th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
I have no quarrel with you, except that you seem to take offense easily. You wanted me to read George H. Smith’s book, which I did when it came out, which is definitely anti-Christian. Still, I take you at your word and apologize for calling you anti-Christian.
October 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
#32 Awakened (and anyone who is interested)
I take particular delight in answering your question.
Everything I’m about to tell you may help you understand Romney.
Yes I am Mormon, except that “Mormon” is a nickname given by others. We actually prefer LDS which is short for the name of our church – The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints.
There are now 13 million of us in 176 countries and territories, 6 million in the U.S. We are America’s fourth largest denomination and fastest-growing religion. We build a new chapel every single working day.
The faithful among us donate a full 10% of our income as tithing. Our local chapels as well as administration (all the way up) is fully staffed by local volunteers and unpaid members. We do not have any paid clergy.
We are well represented politically. There are currently 16 members of Congress in both parties who are LDS.
We believe in the eternities of the soul, that God is the Father of our spirits and that after this life we will return to him.
We believe that Jesus Christ is our personal Savior and strive to model our life after his. He is the Son of God and Savior of all mankind.
We believe the original church Jesus established was lost. And then restored again in the latter days (hence our name). Our organization is modeled after the early church with Prophet, apostles, Seventy, etc.
We regularly study the Old Testament, New Testament (King James version – most common in the U.S.), The Book of Mormon (another tesatment of Christ) and other sacred writings. We believe in ongoing revelation and modern day prophets and apostles. The current prophet is Gordon B Hinckley.
We are very family-centered. LDS place particularly strong emphasis on families as the central unit of society, the community and our church. Families are well supported with extra programs for children, women, teens, and Boy Scouts. The programs provide opportunities for charity work wholesome activities, drama, sports and gospel instruction.
We believe that marriage is instituted of God and is between a man and a woman only. Polygamy is a practice that was discontinued 117 years ago. What is ironic, is those who sneer at polygamy most are religious foes who thump the Bible and forget Father Abraham had six wives, as well as many other high profile prophets in the Old Testament.
Our divorce rate is notably below the national average, our education rates notably above national average as well as our life expectancy (almost 10 years).
We really push self-reliance and a solid work ethic. Community service is a very high priority. Large amounts of resources are donated locally and to humanitarian efforts around the world. We are always there, every major disaster, any where in the world, with tons (literal, not figurative) of food and clothing and supplies. It is great fun. And yes, I’m actively involved in that. I am a part of the Relief Society. The largest woman’s organization in the world. It is an LDS organization and I thoroughly enjoy it.
You will see Romney push self-reliance and autonomy of individual states to govern themselves. That is influenced in part by practicality and in part by our religion’s ideology.
This is a post over at CNN that I found enlightening about LDS, Mitt and politics and here it is:
As a previous Methodist and convert later in life to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I have to say that the Christ I worshiped then IS the same Christ I worship now. Absolutely, no different. I still keep in contact with my Methodist Sunday School teacher from my childhood and adore her. She set the foundation for the same Christ I worship today. Those that say otherwise are simply misinformed, and I believe purposely so in many cases. I expect that most that support this view have never even stepped into an LDS church or devoted any serious time to any reading other than anti-Mormon literature which typically selectively chooses controversial issues and uses quotes taken out of context to support mis-leading half truths. I am grateful that those of faiths other than mine have faith in their lives and in particular a belief in Christ. It is however hard for me to understand why members of other faiths attack my faith. I have no interest in attacking theirs. I have no problem with others investigating my church, in fact I invite it. However judging a candidates worthiness to serve as President of the United States based on his faith is disturbing when we consider separation of Church and state. But if you are going to use that for your criteria you better do it for all of the candidates and to the same degree. I think what you find may surprise you. From what I have seen so far, many talk the talk but I’m not convinced they walk the walk. By the way, I will not vote for a candidate simply because he is a Mormon. Harry Reid for example is a Mormon and I strongly disagree with his views. I will vote for the candidate that I think will do the best job based on his track record and my perception on who will do the best job for the country. At this point I am undecided, but have to admit that Mitt is pretty impressive.
Posted By Brian, Gloucester, VA
Wake up Awakened, I’m done. Enjoy your weekend!
October 6th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
Dave: ‘You wanted me to read George H. Smith’s book, which I did when it came out, which is definitely anti-Christian.’
That’s not how I remember it. It certainly was primarily directed at Christianity (that made sense at the time), but I don’t think that makes it anti-Christian. I recommended it because it’s the best book on atheism out there – certainly better than Dawkins’ and Hitchens’ recent books.
‘Still, I take you at your word and apologize for calling you anti-Christian.’
Thank you. I don’t mind it when people insult me, but factual statements are different.
October 6th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Shawnie: ‘Everything I’m about to tell you may help you understand Romney.’
I don’t think that his Mormonism is a problem. In fact, my favorite Congressman, Jeff Flake, is a Mormon. I was just curious about your religious affiliation. I can’t blame you for being over-sensitive on the bigotry issue, really, because there’s a lot of bigotry against Mormons out there.
‘Yes I am Mormon, except that “Mormon†is a nickname given by others.’
I know that. But it’s hard to refer to individuals as “LDS”.
‘We believe that marriage is instituted of God and is between a man and a woman only. Polygamy is a practice that was discontinued 117 years ago. What is ironic, is those who sneer at polygamy most are religious foes who thump the Bible and forget Father Abraham had six wives, as well as many other high profile prophets in the Old Testament.’
I sneer at polygamy and I don’t give a wooden nickle about anything ‘Father Abraham’ did. It’s very wrong and I’m pleased that your church has discontinued the practice.
Thank you for the information you provided about your church, there were some things I didn’t know. Believe in whatever religion you’re happy with, that’s great.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:41 pm
Shawnie,
So, I tell you to have at it, and the next thing I know, you’re writing the longest post in the history of the website. I admire what you did in #38. I’m the gospel doctrine teacher in my ward, as I’ve been in other wards, and I have encouraged my class members to share their testimony. I doubt any have done so with more enthusiasm and sincerity than you just did. When I come on to this website, as with other websites, I usually come on psychologically ready to do forensic combat. I’ll try to remember my religion more in the future. Good job!
October 6th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
Shawnie,
I can tell you took notes this morning to Elder Holland’s talk. Good job! Word for word.
October 6th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Dave – thanks, very kind of you to say. M.T. – I grabbed my notepad and scribbled as fast as I could. It was what I was looking for…stats, info, and most importantly – perspective. It was one of those talks that reached out, grabbed me and faced me another way….every once in a while we all need to re-focus and re-dedicate to what’s real.
October 6th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
Shawniem
oops! it was Russel Ballard’s talk. I got them mixed up. Anyway, I was thinking qbout this site and Mitt’s candidacy during that talk. And other talks. Apparently they are really getting alot of questions because of Mitt.